Gold.

TEN CHARACTERS

zeor, buy a copy of that book. now!

also, aloha wormmad! when'd you come back? :p

That is a thing of beauty.

btw, does anyone know where to get computer case supplies? I have a screwless-design case and a harddrive I want to put in, but I'm out of the clip things that allow you to fit the HD into the comp. I can identify what I need easily enough despite not knowing the name for it, I just need to know a site to look through. anyone know of a place that sells that sort of thing?

Oh man, that laugh made up for my whole night.

Chapter One: Hugh Valleroy meets Klyd Farris ambrov Zeor for the first time and sets out to rescue the woman he loves, Aisha Rauf.

Chapter Two: Valleroy discovers what a Householding is and attends a Changeover party. Klyd discovers Valleroy is an artist.

Chapter Three: Zeor's spies search for the missing woman while Valleroy creates a new fabric design for the Arensti Competition and frets. Klyd arranges for Valleroy to travel with him as his Companion, and they set out to rescue Aisha Rauf.

Huh...

Also:
http://www.simegen.com/reviews/rereadablebooks/images/UZFCV.jpg
Winner of the Galaxy award. Lol. That sounds epic.

I'm cracking up way too much at this. It's just silly.

I think that has to be put in the Zero72 Compo thread.

Perhaps with a picture of Zeor where those two people are.

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/9642/toolongkn4.png

I hate you, Team17 forum search function.

I really do.

Pro-tip: If you want newbies to use the search function more, make it better.

Err yeah. That's kind of vBulletin's problem, not T17's :p

Probably easier to use Google and limit it to forum.team17.com

Err yeah. That's kind of vBulletin's problem, not T17's :p

Probably easier to use Google and limit it to forum.team17.com
Unless you want to search for posts in od.:p

also, aloha wormmad! when'd you come back?

I'm going to be honest, I just dropped by to see the reaction to the House of Zeor as that pic cracked me up when I found it. :p

Maybe I'll drop by again later... WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT IT!!!

Or not. It's hard to say.

WHO WANTS A SODA??? :D:D

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071109/D8SQD9C02.html

:(

WHO WANTS A SODA??? :D:D

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071109/D8SQD9C02.html

:(
christmas tree guys

Sega is creating an FMV title for the Wii.

http://www.4colorrebellion.com/media/pics/07/09/mibri/3.jpg

http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2007/09/11/mibri-tebri-game-of-the-year-confirmed/

I'd ask "WHY, GOD, WHY?", but I think the pictures answer that question.

Cheap (http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-7209573-1109616?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=zeor&x=12&y=14)!
Order now, Zeor!

Sega is creating an FMV title for the Wii.

http://www.4colorrebellion.com/media/pics/07/09/mibri/3.jpg

http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2007/09/11/mibri-tebri-game-of-the-year-confirmed/

I'd ask "WHY, GOD, WHY?", but I think the pictures answer that question.
well this is certainly something

Cheap (http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-7209573-1109616?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=zeor&x=12&y=14)!
Order now, Zeor!

http://www.amazon.com/Companion-Zeor-Number-7/dp/B000I64EV2/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195662004&sr=1-10 this really intrigues me, what the hell is it

pure horror in screenshot form
RHere's not enough 'What the flying ****?' in the world.

happy turkey day to all oyu people who don't celebrate the american holiday :p

happy turkey day to all oyu people who don't celebrate the american holiday :p
Bibleland.
Sheesh!

I wasn't expecting to connect to this place, as I am in Iowa, but it seems this small little town has a crazy-fast internet service.

And the Minneapolis internet STILL doesn't connect to our house. :mad:

Bibleland.
Sheesh!
what an original burn! man america. always thumpin' the bibles.
I wasn't expecting to connect to this place, as I am in Iowa, but it seems this small little town has a crazy-fast internet service.

And the Minneapolis internet STILL doesn't connect to our house. :mad:

it's probably because politicians focus on Iowa more than any other state every four years thanks to their early primaries! man it is nice (for them) to be such a powerful state in the electorate, but when michigan tries to spring for an early primary, you can bet your ass that we'll get torched by the DNC and RNC alike! yay

I figure I need a good dose of wormage in my life again, so I think I'm gunna pick up a copy of W:A somewhere. I checked the Team17 site and all they have is the 2-packs, so I was wonderin if I should just snag a 2-pack or if there's another spot on the site I'm not seeing that just sells W:A.

edit: also, the T17 site isn't the sold out version, right? that one was a pain...

Bill Bryson came from Iowa.

I feel this is relevant somehow.

In which case, it's probably in the wrong thread.

edit: also, the T17 site isn't the sold out version, right? that one was a pain...Nah, it is. Works fine for me, though...

The problem I always had with the Sold Out version was the full screen auto-run menu, especially after mounting the disc as a virtual drive, because it came up every time I turned on my computer.

However, I despise auto-run anyway, and just disabled it, and now it's great.

so....yauhui = iguana as well, then? http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=624862&postcount=201

Surely Iguana would never use AOHell though?

Surely Iguana would never use AOHell though?you have a point there...

Is "Iguana" our new all-purpose insult?

"I don't like you! You're Iguana!"

Is "Iguana" our new all-purpose insult?

"I don't like you! You're Iguana!"
no, i'm pretty sure shadowmoon is actually iguana
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/353/picture4vv2.png

Is "Iguana" our new all-purpose insult?

"I don't like you! You're Iguana!"no, no, I'm just pretty sure FW is right here, and I was simply asking because I can't think of a good reason why Yauhui would defend shadowmoron......but I guess generic stupid is plausible in this case.

The problem I always had with the Sold Out version was the full screen auto-run menu, especially after mounting the disc as a virtual drive, because it came up every time I turned on my computer.

However, I despise auto-run anyway, and just disabled it, and now it's great.If you made an image out of the disc you could've just deleted the "autorun.inf" from it.

That's a lot of work compared to disabling autorun.

The problem with autorun is that it isn't an option. Well, it is, but you have to edit the registry to turn it off.

That's a lot of work compared to disabling autorun.Well I figured he'd have an image if he's using it as a virtual drive.

The problem with autorun is that it isn't an option. Well, it is, but you have to edit the registry to turn it off.It is? I thought you could disable it in either the CD-ROM options or folder options. (or in Control Panel > AutoPlay in Vista)

in Vista
It's not an option for XP. I guess they finally added it in for Vista.

It's not an option for XP.
Of course it is.
In the properties window of the drive on the auto play tab you can set it to "no action" for all kinds of file types.

Although, I always use external tools like XP-Antispy to do all the work for me.

I've had two machines where autorun stopped working and wouldn't come back no matter how much I clicked that "autorun" tickbox.

I suspect Industry Giant was the culprit.

Is "Iguana" our new all-purpose insult?

"I don't like you! You're Iguana!"

shadowmoon is iguana

yauhui isn't iguana

Is he Spartacus?

shadowmoon is iguana

Setting up an AOHell account seems to me like too much effort for iguana tho.

Setting up an AOHell account seems to me like too much effort for iguana tho.
iirc you don't need an aol account to use the aol browser anymore

iirc you don't need an aol account to use the aol browser anymore

Why would you want to, though?

iirc you don't need an aol account to use the aol browser anymore
But just having an AOHell browser surely doesn't give you an AOHell IP address and hostmask - surely you need an AOHell account for that? And it's one of those IP addresses that changes with every pageview, like AOHell have.

Is he Spartacus? No, I am Spartacus!

But just having an AOHell browser surely doesn't give you an AOHell IP address and hostmask - surely you need an AOHell account for that? And it's one of those IP addresses that changes with every pageview, like AOHell have.with every pageview?! jebus christ that's got to get annoying.

Yup - you should look at the log files for my website whenever we get an AOHell user visit - seems to change with every request :confused:

At least they don't have to worry about privacy. (http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/08/06/aol-proudly-releases-massive-amounts-of-user-search-data/)

At least they don't have to worry about privacy. (http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/08/06/aol-proudly-releases-massive-amounts-of-user-search-data/)holy mother of god! I knew AOL was crap, but jebus that's bad! :eek:

Yup - you should look at the log files for my website whenever we get an AOHell user visit - seems to change with every request :confused:
so you can't just do a simple browser mask with an extension like user agent switcher (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59)? interesting

by the way why does the forum keep going down over the weekends :(

so you can't just do a simple browser mask with an extension like user agent switcher (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59)? interesting

No, because I doubt that would change the IP address as well.

by the way why does the forum keep going down over the weekends :(

Because nobody's around to get it back online for a couple of days, so a combination of logic and Murphey's Law states that it will go down as shortly after volcadmin gets in his car to go home on Friday evening.

I just reported a post as spam, saying I couldn't tell if it was or not, but straight after submitting it, I realised it was in Fan Art, so it must be spam.

Durrrrr....

Well, we banned that user for not putting art in the first post.

I wish people would read the rules threads :rolleyes:

As a rule, I think anything indistinguishable from spam is spam.

So there's this fruit farm not too far from where I live here. They mostly grow apples. Long story short... Holy damn this is good apple cider. I just didn't even know apple cider was supposed to be this good. A bit pricy, but very worth it. Just have to try to avoid drinking too much of the stuff. You know how natural fiber goes.

I also got some apple jelly and apple butter, and I look forward to having toast to try those out on. Last year they had a whole bunch of jelly flavors, and I believe they pretty much kicked ass, but they only had apple jelly and a bunch of jam. Ugh. Jam. Lumps.

Yeah, you can get some really nice apple juices (what we call cider is entirely different) from farm shops and the like. I love the really sour stuff.

http://desertbus.org/

I do believe this is the greatest way to raise charity money ever.

So there's this fruit farm not too far from where I live here. They mostly grow apples. Long story short... Holy damn this is good apple cider. I just didn't even know apple cider was supposed to be this good. A bit pricy, but very worth it. Just have to try to avoid drinking too much of the stuff. You know how natural fiber goes.

I also got some apple jelly and apple butter, and I look forward to having toast to try those out on. Last year they had a whole bunch of jelly flavors, and I believe they pretty much kicked ass, but they only had apple jelly and a bunch of jam. Ugh. Jam. Lumps.
dang, i wish i lived near an apple orchard

the only cider i can get is that gross pasteurized stuff

Why do you hate people with epilepsy, Melon. :(
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I thought my avatar was funny, in an odd way. If anyone really has problems with it, I'll remove it. I was gonna make a thread dedicated to it and everything.

EDIT: New avatar fad anyone? Epilepsy avatars.

I think you should make the framerate as fast as possible!

Nah, most browsers have a framerate limit, and it's less cool when it's faster, I already checked. The images just sort of "merge".

EDIT: New avatar fad anyone? Epilepsy avatars.if others do it, I'll join in, but I will by no means condone such an action.....simply laugh at it......

http://desertbus.org/

I do believe this is the greatest way to raise charity money ever.Seconded. :D Ran into the site from Penny Arcade.

alunharford@yahoo.com says:
Well you can't call your parent's parent's methods, because it breaks the encapsulation
alunharford@yahoo.com says:
Unless you do it in assembly
Paul.Power says:
Yes, I've never understood my granddad's solution for Rubik's Cube
alunharford@yahoo.com says:
So that writes out bytes that would need to be executed and runs them
Paul.Power says:
Assembly, that's when you cheat by taking it apart and putting it back together, right? ;)

What?

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What?

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What?

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It's a OOP reference coupled with a bad joke.

What?

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I've just worked out an Erfworld (http://www.giantitp.com/Comics.html) reference.

Stanley the Plaid.

Stan the salesman from Monkey Island with his unmoving plaid (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnmovingPlaid) suit.

Why did that take me so long?

Care to link us directly to this reference?

I thought my avatar was funny, in an odd way. If anyone really has problems with it, I'll remove it. I was gonna make a thread dedicated to it and everything.

EDIT: New avatar fad anyone? Epilepsy avatars.

I just kinda liked it when everyone on the internet thought that all you had to do to cause a seizure was to make a lot of flashing rainbows.

Now everyone knows about the real way to do it, and that blissful ignorance is no more.

Now that I think of it, I think there needs to be a bit of rotation involved to be a certified seizure-causing animation, but I can't remember.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6912/slicksboutiqueic8.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6912/slicksboutiqueic8.jpgsomeone send him an e-mail warning....NOW!

Care to link us directly to this reference?No, but go to any strip and there's a big question mark at the top that takes you to the cast page.

Now that I think of it, I think there needs to be a bit of rotation involved to be a certified seizure-causing animation, but I can't remember.
I do believe you're right, but I thought only 4 frames wasn't enough. Better now?

Well now you've done it.
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I do believe you're right, but I thought only 4 frames wasn't enough. Better now?

I wish there was a PHP script that automatically did this to any uploaded image that could be added to the avatar system.

I'd just like everyone to know that I'm aware these avatars and the thread are a disaster area and are abysmal. I just wanted to see who seriously liked them without realising it was all a big joke. I find the whole thing hilarious. I showed the thread to Wyv on #worms and he told me to drop dead. Hahaha.

I find the whole thing hilarious.Doesn't that make it a success, though?

Oh, oh!

Awesome fad and thread, Lemon. As you can probably see by this point, I'm finished with the high quality version of mine, but it's over 30kB. It would hurt me too much to make it small and/or ugly enough to fit under the size limit right now, maybe tomorrow. Until then, it will only satisfy you chosen ones with OD access.

What an honour. Enjoy the spittle and try not to bite your tongues off.

Looking good. I see you're getting the hang of GIMP NOT PHOTOSHOP! Here's my version of yours that fits in avatar size (for everyone else's benefit, I know you've already seen it):
http://www.kieranmillar.com/t17avakrdseizure.gif
I'm still surprised this fad is popular. I thought everyone would hate it.

Your script to make people's seizure avatars for them is going to put me out of business Bunsy :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Your script to make people's seizure avatars for them is going to put me out of business Bunsy :mad::mad::mad::mad:
I couldn't resist :p, but unless I fix the filesize you're still in business.

I think I'm well out of this.

Someone feel free to do my avatar. I'm away from home so don't have an animation program handy.

I think the fad is popular because everyone hates it! :p

I can see the future when I close my eyes after starting at these for a while. The future hurts. Uuuunnnggghhhh!

Right, I made one that's under the limit now, but it's pretty bad. Plus I've made the frame not move unlike it does in your version, Melon, so it's less epileptic.

Ah well, best go to bed now.

Mine is quite jarring if I put 5 of them right next to each other.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7127/pbdanceflashfinalql6.gifhttp://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7127/pbdanceflashfinalql6.gifhttp://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7127/pbdanceflashfinalql6.gifhttp://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7127/pbdanceflashfinalql6.gifhttp://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7127/pbdanceflashfinalql6.gif

[EDIT] My Location and signature can JOIN FORCES. See above for example.

Pigbuster's is amazing, but out of the ones Melon's done so far, Splapp's is totally the best, imo.

Pigbuster's is the best http://www.kieranmillar.com/t17smiliecool.gif

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/331/nooooooonv2.png

NOOO!
This ad is telling me I have malware!

And it seems that nasty malware made my computer forget that it doesn't have a program files folder! NOOOOO!
And I like how someone apparently named their trojan "trojan-dropper". How eloquent.

I got this after posting a comment on DA. I guess the people in charge thought I would appreciate learning about the best in virus protection every time I post a comment!

I can't help but notice the "Erase infected" button looks very much like an OSX button :p

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Anyone else remember these?

Smoothed walls in Dwarf Fortress? Yeah.

I can't help but notice the "Erase infected" button looks very much like an OSX button :pno no no, that's a new shiny Vista button....sheesh, can't you tell teh difference? :p :rolleyes:

Well you can't call your parent's parent's methods, because it breaks the encapsulation

Yes you can. In every OOP-capable programming language I know.
It's usually ParentParentType::method(...);.
Maybe he meant that you can't call your parent's child's method (a different child than the class in question).

[stuff about MalwareAlarm or whatever on DA]Ugh, crap, I just got that too. Raped the hell out of my browser.

I wish everything had a face. A face I could HIT.

Smoothed walls in Dwarf Fortress? Yeah.
They had a life before then.

Hahah! The new thread title gets Splapp's seal of approval. :D

http://a.deviantart.com/avatars/t/h/thumbsupplz.png

Seizuring!

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3567/yhyyshghsgpppky8.gif

world_awesome_supply++ (http://www.realvg.org/images/lookslikeihitthetreejim.wav)

world_awesome_supply++ (http://www.realvg.org/images/lookslikeihitthetreejim.wav)....I don't get it...

....I don't get it...This is Paul you're talking about. :p

....I don't get it...Links: The Challenge of Golf was the first computer game I ever played.

It made a great impression on me.

And I just received a copy that I'd mail-ordered today.

And extracted my favourite sound file from it.

Just wait until he lays some beats behind it and turns it into a song.

Just wait until he lays some beats behind it and turns it into a song.

Heh, I was thinking maybe adding it to the Announcer song as a joke actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmp-SRMwF3E&feature=related

Why have I never known about this scene until now?

Pity the rest of the movie is incredibly misogynistic, apparantly.

Ha ha, I win :cool: I'M THE FURTHEST TO THE RIGHT HERE!

If you can't beat them, join them. :P

Ha ha, I win :cool: I'M THE FURTHEST TO THE RIGHT HERE!

I think Paul has you beaten, actually.

%%%%%
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Well, not here. :p
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9470/dinglb5.jpg

Wraps on Opera.

There. Stolen Paul's ‰ symbol :p

Also wraps on Opera.

Opera spoils fun.

not as good, but original http://www.kieranmillar.com/t17smiliecool.gif

Also wraps on Opera.you must have a strange version of opera, as it works fine on mine.

There. Stolen Paul's ‰ symbol :p
HEY! I tried using that one but won't let me. :(
<<< see that's what happens when I try to use it.

I forgot to post this before, but I'm apparently a guy.

couple days ago we went shopping at WalMart to get a bunch of random crap. I was picking up some more body wash and I noticed a new kind I decided to try.....my wife came around the corner and looked at it and said "oh, new kind, what's it smell like?" ...about that time I realized I probably should've checked that :o

So I skipped work today.
You see, yesterday, I was late for like the Nth time, and (if anyone has been reading Naruto Manga or watching Shippuuden up to date) my supervisor told me it was the last time I was late with what I can only describe as the same face as Yamato does to scare Naruto into stop fighting with Sai.>Like this< (http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2070/scaryyamatozm3.jpg).
So today, I left quite in time, but there was this small traffic jam on the way... Then I noticed I wouldn't make it in time... so I got off the bus and skipped work. Better never than late I supose :p

So I skipped work today.
You see, yesterday, I was late for like the Nth time, and (if anyone has been reading Naruto Manga or watching Shippuuden up to date) my supervisor told me it was the last time I was late with what I can only describe as the same face as Yamato does to scare Naruto into stop fighting with Sai.>Like this< (http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2070/scaryyamatozm3.jpg).
So today, I left quite in time, but there was this small traffic jam on the way... Then I noticed I wouldn't make it in time... so I got off the bus and skipped work. Better never than late I supose :p

Wow.

I can't say much more than that.
I am intrigued as to the results of this action.

(This is what the neutral events/occurances thread is for, by the way.)

I forgot to post this before, but I'm apparently a guy.Welcome aboard! :)

A location fad??? Now this is something I can stand behind!

Wow.

I can't say much more than that.
I am intrigued as to the results of this action.

(This is what the neutral events/occurances thread is for, by the way.)
Probably a one day suspension, judging by how yesterday during a group meeting thing he did said that he had decided that skipping work would equal a suspension unless we have a very good reason(mainly because almost everyone in the group skipped work at least once during last month, with not much reasons other than "I was lazy.")(Make that twice for me :p).
And I don't think "because I was going late" is going to be that good of a reason. :p

Also, tomorrow my brother is having a going-away party. Quite far away from home. At night. Which will probably last until really late. Tomorrow is my day off, BUT I do have to go to work on monday, which if I go to this party will be rather hard to accomplish, at least in a state where I can make sense when talking...
I do have this free day off that I earnt for going to work on a holiday, which I can use whenever I want as long as I tell my supervisor at least 2 days before, so I technically could have called in today and have him set it on monday, to be able to assist to my brother's party... BUT, seriously... "Hey dude, what's up? Yeah I kinda skipped work today because I was going late... but anyway, I just wanted to set monday as my free day off, 'kay?" Yeah, not a good idea. :p

THE PLOT THICKENS. :eek:

WHAT THE NINE-THOUSAND?!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WetVXbYRfWk
O_o

WHAT THE NINE-THOUSAND?!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WetVXbYRfWk
O_o

All clever stuff.

I forgot to post this before, but I'm apparently a guy.

couple days ago we went shopping at WalMart to get a bunch of random crap. I was picking up some more body wash and I noticed a new kind I decided to try.....my wife came around the corner and looked at it and said "oh, new kind, what's it smell like?" ...about that time I realized I probably should've checked that :o

The scent of men's bodywash cannot be discerned from the packaging. It's true: these are some of the "fragrences" that my various brands have used: Wild Rain, Africa, Alpine Snow, Arctic Ice, Cool Wave, Ice Dive, Waterfall, and Gravity.

How are you meant to know what it smells of?

GravityI'd love to know what a force smells like.

I just realised I used two colons in one sentence.

Wow, must buy one and learn how to play it.

I hope you're not talking about body wash there.

The scent of men's bodywash cannot be discerned from the packaging. It's true: these are some of the "fragrences" that my various brands have used: Wild Rain, Africa, Alpine Snow, Arctic Ice, Cool Wave, Ice Dive, Waterfall, and Gravity.

How are you meant to know what it smells of?"Vaseline Intensive Care"

Mmm... hospital ward. :p

Also, these last few posts demonstrate why I love this thread so much.

The scent of men's bodywash cannot be discerned from the packaging. It's true: these are some of the "fragrences" that my various brands have used: Wild Rain, Africa, Alpine Snow, Arctic Ice, Cool Wave, Ice Dive, Waterfall, and Gravity.

How are you meant to know what it smells of?I would suggest the following steps for each of those scents in order:

1. go out and find a rain in its natural habitat and sniff it. (beware not to approach its nest)
2. go to every part of africa and create an average of each smell present there.
3. go to the alpines and shove your face into the snow, then inhale.
4. fly to the north pole and shove your face into a glacier, then inhale. (don't disturb the natural odor with an ice pick)
5. while at the north pole, dunk your head into the water surrounding a glacier and get a good whiff.
6. on your trip back from the north pole, hurl a chunk of the glacier you shoved your face into out of the plane and dive down after it. while in mid dive, sniff the ice.
7. go find the largest waterfall you can find and stick only your head into it
8. while falling in step 6, block your face entirely from the wind with a completely odorless object and inhale.

Wow, must buy one and learn how to play it. well typically I just open the bottle and squirt a little on my hand, but if there's a correct, professional method for this procedure please let me know so that I may adapt it.

What I want to know is, why do you never see Baking Bread or Freshly Mown Grass?

Those smells are nice and all but I don't know if they're [i]sexually attractive[i], which I believe is the stated goal, or Lynx at least.

(I understand it's called "Axe" in America which would seem odd since I understand they spell "Axe" "Ax". At least, that's what small clues around my house suggest.)

The scent of men's bodywash cannot be discerned from the packaging. It's true: these are some of the "fragrences" that my various brands have used: Wild Rain, Africa, Alpine Snow, Arctic Ice, Cool Wave, Ice Dive, Waterfall, and Gravity.

Are you dousing yourself with Gatorade?

I assure you I have never so much as seen any Gatorade. I live in England, remember.

Those smells are nice and all but I don't know if they're [i]sexually attractive[i]

I'm sexually attracted to freshly mown grass.

I would totally hook up with someone who constantly smelled like baking bread, seriously

Alrighty, then. That's our market research done. Next job, make some of the stuff up and test it.

Those smells are nice and all but I don't know if they're [i]sexually attractive[i], which I believe is the stated goal, or Lynx at least.

(I understand it's called "Axe" in America which would seem odd since I understand they spell "Axe" "Ax". At least, that's what small clues around my house suggest.)I'm rather certain it's still Axe over here as well. I can't recall a time when I saw "Ax" written anywhere.

I assure you I have never so much as seen any Gatorade. I live in England, remember.wow, I rather assumed they would've gone multi-national by this point...it's a really common drink over here...

I thought we called Gatorade Lucozade. Or is that something entirely different?

I thought we called Gatorade Lucozade. Or is that something entirely different?well if that's the case then whoever decided to do that makes absolutely no sense, because the name came from a football team called the Gators. it was made to aid them by boosting their energy during the game. so "Gatorade" was born :p

no idea what a Lucoz is, but unless it means gator then someone completely butchered the name there :p

Lucozade is an energy drink. I'm pretty sure they're the same thing.

Gatorade wouldn't work here, we don't know about, or care about, the Gator's "football" team. ("Hey guys, the game's called football. What should we do? I know, I'll pick the ball up and run with it!" :p)

Gatorade wouldn't work here, we don't know about, or care about, the Gator's "football" team. trust me, no one here knows or cares about that team either. no idea who they even were.

("Hey guys, the game's called football. What should we do? I know, I'll pick the ball up and run with it!" :p) hey, I'm not defending the name of the game. it makes no sense to me either, I just know we call it football :p

well if that's the case then whoever decided to do that makes absolutely no sense, because the name came from a football team called the Gators. it was made to aid them by boosting their energy during the game. so "Gatorade" was born :p

no idea what a Lucoz is, but unless it means gator then someone completely butchered the name there :p

I presume it comes from "glucose".

"Hey guys, the game's called football. What should we do? I know, I'll pick the ball up and run with it!"To be scrupulously fair, this also happens in rugby"football" union, rugby "football" league, Australian Rules "football" and Gaelic "football".

Association "soccer" football's about the only one that isn't played with hands.

Unless you're the goalie. Or taking a throw-in.

This is... Some of the most ho-hum toast I've ever eaten. It's just barely even good.

Must be cheap crappy bread. I mean, must be REALLY crappy bread if not even turning into toast can make it good.

So I went to that party I mentioned, just got home from it.
My brother stayed there, I would have stayed there longer too, but I really can't be late tomorrow... er, today. To work.
It was EPIC. And I'll get my hands on that video of my brother dancing like a moron with pretty much everyone.
I drank like seven beers and some thing someone prepared that I don't really know what it contained... but still I think I'm not drunk... And we had turkey(from a cousin's party that was earlier) and um, sheep, which was prepared at the party. Really tasty.
There's also probably a video of me now dancing and singing with my brother, but that was only because I promised him that if he did the "motorcycle"(you don't wanna know) I would sing with him, not because I was drunk. Altough the alcohol did help. :p
Work is going to be fun today. :p

Edit: I must concede tho, that I'm as close to being drunk as I have ever been, and that I did make a ton of spelling mistakes making this post, that I corrected.
I know correcting them is cheating, but it's the only way I could make sense, trust me. :p

Team17's online shop apparently sucks!

I just ordered the W:A and W2 pack. I logged in to my old account and went to go ahead and order. I input my credit card info and then go to see if I can change the address.....apparently I can't. I figured maybe it was on the next page, so I click the continue button. it then loads the "thank you for ordering, a confirmation e-mail has been sent" page.....sure, I'm still going to get the games since the old address is just my mom's house about 10 miles away, but it's rather annoying. there was also no listing of what sort of shipping I should expect for the games and no option to choose a faster shipping.

Team17, your website blows :p

I would totally hook up with someone who constantly smelled like baking bread, seriously
My girlfriend is working in a doughnut bakery at this year's Christmas market.
Her hair now constantly smells of sugared batter.
:D
Team17's online shop apparently sucks!

I just ordered the W:A and W2 pack. I logged in to my old account and went to go ahead and order. I input my credit card info and then go to see if I can change the address.....apparently I can't. I figured maybe it was on the next page, so I click the continue button. it then loads the "thank you for ordering, a confirmation e-mail has been sent" page.....sure, I'm still going to get the games since the old address is just my mom's house about 10 miles away, but it's rather annoying. there was also no listing of what sort of shipping I should expect for the games and no option to choose a faster shipping.

Team17, your website blows :p
Does the T17 shop have a support e-mail address?
If not, I guess you could contact volcadmin to help you out.

Does the T17 shop have a support e-mail address?
If not, I guess you could contact volcadmin to help you out.it does. I immediately sent an e-mail stating my problem, but the site still blows :p

did i ever mention to you guys that team17.tk is an off-topic board that is fun and easy to moderate???

well now i have

It would appear that staring into the seizure avatars has just cured me of my headache. Now I'm never taking it off.

I prefer the Team17 forum we have right here, thanks. It's even easier for me to moderate this one.

Tonight was the longest night of work I have ever had.

Total production for the day was 10,204 cases.

Times 12 boxes/case.

Times 5 bars/box.

612,240 granola bars.

I ache in ways no 22-year-old man ever should and I'm fairly sure I'm at least one-third brain-dead.

Wow. I seem to have some guy add 4 of my pictures to his favourites list this morning. Some guy called Salverto.

http://salverto.deviantart.com/

He draws worms a lot. He's even got some screenshots of his Christmas Sigworminator creations in there too.

Must say I'm bit disturbed at some of his Cars fan-art. Cars shouldn't kiss...

It's a she, actually. Suposedly. :p

Gah, she's been doing the rounds... she was on my page a few weeks ago posting loads of annoying comments. :(

Must say I'm bit disturbed at some of hisher Cars fan-art. Cars shouldn't kiss...

They probably shouldn't bleed (http://salverto.deviantart.com/art/Sallie-s-pains-of-love-58988332), either. :p

They probably shouldn't bleed (http://salverto.deviantart.com/art/Sallie-s-pains-of-love-58988332), either. :pcan anyone read that to me? I don't speak crack.

They probably shouldn't bleed (http://salverto.deviantart.com/art/Sallie-s-pains-of-love-58988332), either. :p

Oh

My

God

Gatorade wouldn't work here, we don't know about, or care about, the Gator's "football" team.
Hell, I had this all kinds of wrong.

I'd assumed "gator" referred to a sodding gator, then assumed it was a cartoon one who adorned the bottle, therefore I'd assumed it was some kind of sugary pop, or as the Americans insist on calling it, "soda", despite plainly containing no sodium to speak of.

I mean, I wouldn't have said any of that -- it was only ever an assumption to be used until some actual information presented itself; hardly something I should be basing decision on -- but still...

Oh

My

God

The window is cracked in the shape of a broken heart.

The window is cracked in the shape of a broken heart.

Are those tear stains at the bottom of the page?


edit: Why the HELL is there a cars fandom? Why do these people think they are, not merely cars, but cars from the movie Cars?

http://ampanddj.deviantart.com/
http://candy-coupe.deviantart.com/
http://tengai-skyline.deviantart.com/

I found those pages from the one linked there (except the last one which i found on one of the first two)

Are those tear stains at the bottom of the page?
hahhhahahaha

clicking around these links led me to this (http://thehiller.deviantart.com/art/Worms-World-Party-58265574) though, so it's not all bad

still, we might have an attempt by a cars fandom to infiltrate the team17 forum

Gawd I hope she doesn't make it into our forum. Her worms art is fair but the writing, ugh, the writing... it makes my brain bleed. :(

Uargh!
Car anthropomorphism fandom?
Heck, we have enough "furries" on this forum.
I think that's enough.
clicking around these links led me to this (http://thehiller.deviantart.com/art/Worms-World-Party-58265574) though, so it's not all bad
That reminds me of the Worms birthday cake (http://kotaku.com/gaming/game-cake/the-worms-game-cake-261870.php). :)

That reminds me of the Worms birthday cake (http://kotaku.com/gaming/game-cake/the-worms-game-cake-261870.php). :)

haha, spadge commented on it

Heck, we have enough "furries" on this forum.

We only have one, AFAIK.

And Kelster doesn't seem to be a drama queen, which is what really makes the most infamous furries so obnoxious, so she isn't that bad. (Lawd kinda made a drama-bomb when he left, if anyone remembers).

Also, I think I could technically be called one, but I've barely posted any of my anthro junk onto the internet. I'd rather not associate myself with the furry community, anyway.

I thought Splapp would appreciate knowing that The Impossible Quiz is the first thing that pops up when searching for "Impossible" on Google.

(Lawd kinda made a drama-bomb when he left, if anyone remembers). good lord, don't remind us! I'm sure everyone here would rather just forget he ever existed...

Also, I think I could technically be called one, but I've barely posted any of my anthro junk onto the internet. I'd rather not associate myself with the furry community, anyway.anthro stuff is fine. it's when you start doing creepy **** (http://devilshaven.deviantart.com/art/Kurama-and-Hiei-furries-24375243) that people start looking at you funny :p

anthro stuff is fine. it's when you start doing creepy **** (http://devilshaven.deviantart.com/art/Kurama-and-Hiei-furries-24375243) that people start looking at you funny :p

Deviantart is hell on earth. Whenever I start feeling super down about myself I just go to the new submissions and that usually brings my spirits up just about instantaneously

Deviantart is hell on earth. Whenever I start feeling super down about myself I just go to the new submissions and that usually brings my spirits up just about instantaneouslythat is why I don't have a single problem being a completely unknown fanartist. I pity splapp every day for being rather famous.

it's when you start doing creepy **** (http://devilshaven.deviantart.com/art/Kurama-and-Hiei-furries-24375243) that people start looking at you funny :p

Ahahahahaha.

You saying that is "creepy ****". Please. That's so tame. :p
http://community.livejournal.com/deviantartsnark

Though I don't get why they're saying "Hiei and Kurama as furries", because that's not what a furry is...

Ahahahahaha.

You saying that is "creepy ****". Please. That's so tame. :p
http://community.livejournal.com/deviantartsnark didn't really see anything worse in the ones I went through :p

edit: strike that. I just found this http://tincrash.deviantart.com/art/Nude-Elephant-Girl-38954147

Though I don't get why they're saying "Hiei and Kurama as furries", because that's not what a furry is... because ignorant people are the best?

*COUGH* (http://black-charizard.deviantart.com/art/Lightning-McQueen-32592832) What's wrong with Cars? :mad: It's just bad when people...do...things that are weird, with no artistic skill :p

Also, I think I could technically be called one, but I've barely posted any of my anthro junk onto the internet. I'd rather not associate myself with the furry community, anyway.
Drawing cartoon animals (god I hate the term 'anthro') doesn't make you a furry. Claiming to be (or actually beliving yourself to be) a cartoon animal makes you a furry.

I kind of miss Lawd. his persecution complex was hilarious.

Drawing cartoon animals (god I hate the term 'anthro') doesn't make you a furry. Claiming to be (or actually beliving yourself to be) a cartoon animal makes you a furry.

I kind of miss Lawd. his persecution complex was hilarious.
hahahaha lawd was something else

excuse me, i mean "tigris"
Also, I think I could technically be called one, but I've barely posted any of my anthro junk onto the internet. I'd rather not associate myself with the furry community, anyway.

dammit WHY

*COUGH* (http://black-charizard.deviantart.com/art/Lightning-McQueen-32592832) What's wrong with Cars? :mad: It's just bad when people...do...things that are weird, with no artistic skill :p
I was waiting for someone to pop in with that. :p

Drawing cartoon animals (god I hate the term 'anthro') doesn't make you a furry. Claiming to be (or actually beliving yourself to be) a cartoon animal makes you a furry.

Actually, those are the "otherkin".
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1558/omgfurryjx9tp8.jpg
:p

I only know this because I used to browse through furry-snark sites a whole lot. Saw more than I really wanted to.
The furry lexicon mucked everything up, really. Animals in the style of Bugs Bunny or Felix the Cat and the like are differentiated from regular furries by being called "funny animals" or some crap. Blah.
And the term "yiff" needs to be taken out back and shot.

dammit WHY
WHY what?

I thought Splapp would appreciate knowing that The Impossible Quiz is the first thing that pops up when searching for "Impossible" on Google.
Whoaoaoa, what's the world coming to?! :eek:

Oh lovely not another argument about what furry actually means.

Dammit internet.

Oh lovely not another argument about what furry actually means.

Dammit internet.not like it matters at all. none of us actually exist after all...

*COUGH* (http://black-charizard.deviantart.com/art/Lightning-McQueen-32592832) What's wrong with Cars? :mad: It's just bad when people...do...things that are weird, with no artistic skill :p

There's a difference between drawing a piece of fan art for a movie because you like it and actually pretending to be a character (or actually thinking you are a character?) in the movie dealing with serious social issues and drawing yourself as such

WHY what?

why do you have to be involved with the furry fandom, you seem like such a great guy :(

You know...if you say someone who draws anthro animals is a "furry", then technically we all could be furries, because we draw anthro worms :p

You know...if you say someone who draws anthro animals is a "furry", then technically we all could be furries, because we draw anthro worms :p
i guess i'd really have to see the degree that we're talking about here

You know...if you say someone who draws anthro animals is a "furry", then technically we all could be furries, because we draw anthro worms :p.................

*Insert shameless plug about the show I'm now working on here*

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=WhoseLineIsItAnime

.................

That looks mostly bald to me. Which is a cunning way out of being called "furry".

That looks mostly bald to me. Which is a cunning way out of being called "furry".furry fetish for hairless dogs? let's just go with it being a quick sketch and get over it :p

http://www.woofdog.com/

It seems the company name I have been thinking of since forever has been taken! By... something...
There's a little link, but it's password protected. Damn them!

So I was on my way to work on... Some day this past week, there's fresh snowfall which has made the roads pretty slushy and trecherous, and there's a huge wreck up ahead that blocks off the whole damn road both ways. Inconvenient considering I'm already running late and will now have to take a huge detour, but yeah, there you have it. I go to turn the car around. The car's around. The back end keeps going. Uh-oh. Couple of wheel turns or so to the right. Now I'm swinging the other way. Easy to the left. There we go, back wheels are behind me and I'm ready to proceed safely in a straight line.

See? Excellent time to have been a gamer my whole life. Had I not spent so much time playing FlatOut 2, I most likely would have spun right the hell out, with what could have been quite disastrous consequences.

So I was on my way to work on... Some day this past week, there's fresh snowfall which has made the roads pretty slushy and trecherous, and there's a huge wreck up ahead that blocks off the whole damn road both ways. Inconvenient considering I'm already running late and will now have to take a huge detour, but yeah, there you have it. I go to turn the car around. The car's around. The back end keeps going. Uh-oh. Couple of wheel turns or so to the right. Now I'm swinging the other way. Easy to the left. There we go, back wheels are behind me and I'm ready to proceed safely in a straight line.

See? Excellent time to have been a gamer my whole life. Had I not spent so much time playing FlatOut 2, I most likely would have spun right the hell out, with what could have been quite disastrous consequences.

There was a story in the Times yesterday about a kid who saved his family from an angry moose using a trick he learned in World of Warcraft.

There was a story in the Times yesterday about a kid who saved his family from an angry moose using a trick he learned in World of Warcraft.

"Feign death"? Man, he should've used "Tame Beast". Now that would have been skilled.

In fairness, he was only a level 2 little kid.

In fairness, he was only a level 2 little kid.well, I'm pretty sure feign death is a level 30 skill, so he's screwed all around :p

Well, what level was the moose? :p

I bet it was /dance

To wii or not to wii?
Well, my father went to chicago for this week, comes back on saturday I think, and I'm thinking on having him pick up a wii for me over there. But I'm not sure. Mostly because he is my dad and that means there's a good chance he'll end up screwing something up... :p

btw, correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't we be switching back to our normal avatars very soon?

Yes. Very soon. Like before Friday soon.

It looks like Ground Zero has died, by the way. groundzerocomics.us doesn't work at all anymore. freewebs.com/zero72 will take you to the home page with all the other links broken.

So, I suppose I'd better figure out a course of action soon. First and most obvious option that everybody seems to want me to do is to put all the old Ground Zero comics up on DeviantART, which I don't like because it would be a mammoth pain in the ass to do, and because there would be no really good way to organize them.

Option 2 is one that I've been slowly toying with in my mind -- put them in a subsection of a new website dedicated to all of my stuff. I note that www.zeor.us seems to be open.

up on DeviantART, which I don't like because it would be a mammoth pain in the ass to do, and because there would be no really good way to organize them.

A short while ago DA allowed you to sort your art into folders. Take a look at Paul's Gallery and you'll see what I mean. OK, so it doesn't allow sub-folders, but you could move the ground zero stuff into it's own folder and remove them from the "main" gallery screen.

Room for more on my hosting account.

[20:28] SupSuper: have some bear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiARsQSlzDc
[20:29] Paul.Power: Ooh, I've had an idea for a seasonal version of Prisoners' Dilemma
[20:29] Paul.Power: Oh ****, i've opened the same video six times
[20:30] SupSuper: YOUR BRAIN WILL MELT
[20:30] Paul.Power: Okay, under control now
[20:31] Paul.Power: lol
[20:31] Paul.Power: *click* *no response* *click* *no response* *click* *no response* *click* *no response* *click* *no response* *click* *no response*
[20:32] Paul.Power: You wait ages for one...

[20:29] Paul.Power: Ooh, I've had an idea for a seasonal version of Prisoners' Dilemma

Well, it's nice to see you getting into the Yuletide spirit, in your own way.

Well, it's nice to see you getting into the Yuletide spirit, in your own way.

It's about writing Christmas cards. Most people like receiving Christmas cards, most people dislike sending them. And it's easy to see a Tit-for-Tat strategy springing up ("they didn't send us one last year...")

Yes, although personally I favour "always defect" because I really don't give a **** if I get any cards or not and I can't be bothered remembering arcane details for a year at a time.

Well, it was nice knowing you (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7139797.stm)

Well, it was nice knowing you (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7139797.stm)
did you know that there are still people in the united states that deny global warming is happening

and even more claim that even if it does exist, we aren't causing it

what the fúck please

There was a survey about global warming on a radio station I was listening to, and 2/3 of people who rang up thought global warming was nonsense. I imagine you'd get the same thing in most places.

One guy who rang up seemed to think that the last ice age was what wiped out the dinosaurs. :D

Hey, wasn't the date when Mayans suposedly predicted the end of the world sometime around 2012?

If enough cultures guess, one has to be right

Hey, wasn't the date when Mayans suposedly predicted the end of the world sometime around 2012?hmmmm, you've got a point.....well this sucks....

as for the global warming thing, I wouldn't think it possible that we screwed up everything so thoroughly in such a short time, myself. granted, obviously we screwed up something, but I personally still think there is a natural warming trend going on on top of our screw ups.....granted, the end result is the same and it really doesn't matter, I'm just sayin I can't see such a short time (about 30 years) with a large amount of polution being enough to kill the whole planet by itsself. I don't deny global warming, just saying I can't imagine it's entirely the fault of humans considering the rate its happening.

Global warming seems to have split everyone into two groups of people.

A) The ignorant. "Global warming is a LIE it totally snowed yesterday and that totally proves that it isn't real, and there's some scientific study by some scientist somewhere that says it's a hoax, so it is because IT'S SCIENCE!!!"
B) The optimistic. "Global warming is REAL! What a terrible thing! I know! I'll recycle, turn the lights off when I leave the house, buy an electric car, go to pro-Earth concerts, support pro-Earth race cars, and support politicians who make bills that promise to reduce emissions by 5% by the year 2020! By doing all of this, I will SAVE THE WORLD!!!"

And neither one of them will have any effect.
I don't have anything against anyone who wants to reduce the human footprint on the world; that's a good thing. What I don't like is how they seem to think that if enough people do this, it will somehow heal up the hole in the ozone and disperse the greenhouse gasses.
Global warming is happening, whether you like it or not. Actually PREPARING for the mass floods and refugees is probably the best course of action, but I haven't seen anyone in power who seems to think this way.

...BAH. :p

And neither one of them will have any effect.
I don't have anything against anyone who wants to reduce the human footprint on the world; that's a good thing. What I don't like is how they seem to think that if enough people do this, it will somehow heal up the hole in the ozone and disperse the greenhouse gasses.
Global warming is happening, whether you like it or not. Actually PREPARING for the mass floods and refugees is probably the best course of action, but I haven't seen anyone in power who seems to think this way.

...BAH. :p

that's a really good point, but i think that along with preparing for the impact of climate change we need to at least try to negate its effects as much as possible with stuff like carbon credits and emissions standards

So I asked my father to see if he could pick up a Wii while he is in the US. He doesn't have much free time to search around so he only went to best buy which is the only store he has close that could sell it, and they told him they had just sold the last one in the morning. Also they receive some on Sunday, but he comes back on Saturday... Damn you Universe! :mad:

Global warming seems to have split everyone into two groups of people.

A) The ignorant. "Global warming is a LIE it totally snowed yesterday and that totally proves that it isn't real, and there's some scientific study by some scientist somewhere that says it's a hoax, so it is because IT'S SCIENCE!!!"
B) The optimistic. "Global warming is REAL! What a terrible thing! I know! I'll recycle, turn the lights off when I leave the house, buy an electric car, go to pro-Earth concerts, support pro-Earth race cars, and support politicians who make bills that promise to reduce emissions by 5% by the year 2020! By doing all of this, I will SAVE THE WORLD!!!"

And neither one of them will have any effect.
I don't have anything against anyone who wants to reduce the human footprint on the world; that's a good thing. What I don't like is how they seem to think that if enough people do this, it will somehow heal up the hole in the ozone and disperse the greenhouse gasses.
Global warming is happening, whether you like it or not. Actually PREPARING for the mass floods and refugees is probably the best course of action, but I haven't seen anyone in power who seems to think this way.

...BAH. :p

Doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

Global warming seems to have split everyone into two groups of people.

A) The ignorant. "Global warming is a LIE it totally snowed yesterday and that totally proves that it isn't real, and there's some scientific study by some scientist somewhere that says it's a hoax, so it is because IT'S SCIENCE!!!"
B) The optimistic. "Global warming is REAL! What a terrible thing! I know! I'll recycle, turn the lights off when I leave the house, buy an electric car, go to pro-Earth concerts, support pro-Earth race cars, and support politicians who make bills that promise to reduce emissions by 5% by the year 2020! By doing all of this, I will SAVE THE WORLD!!!"

And neither one of them will have any effect.
I don't have anything against anyone who wants to reduce the human footprint on the world; that's a good thing. What I don't like is how they seem to think that if enough people do this, it will somehow heal up the hole in the ozone and disperse the greenhouse gasses.
Global warming is happening, whether you like it or not. Actually PREPARING for the mass floods and refugees is probably the best course of action, but I haven't seen anyone in power who seems to think this way.

...BAH. :pI can see where you're coming from, but global warming isn't the only problem we face. Peak oil is going to be a problem soon, too. And that will need Group B.

The lack of oil is a very big problem for us. Plastic and CDs and just about everything is made using oil, and not just to power the machines to make them.

As far as global warming goes, I believe the climate is changing, but the fact is that it's happened before without our help and we've survived it. I mean by technical definition we're still in our 6th ice age.

I have just had a Really Big Idea.

Observations:

I. Las Vegas is one of the world's biggest consumers of electricity.

II. Nevada is (to a first approximation) a big hot boring desert (only 70 towns in an area the size of the British Isles, which have around 40,000).

III. Casinos make a ton of money and don't give much back to society.

Plan:

For a period of, say, a month, get all of Las Vegas' casino owners to pledge their profits towards building a bucketload of solar panels in Nevada, with the aim of cancelling out their electricity consumption. It would undeniably be good publicity for the casinos, it might even make the punters more charitable.

The main problem, of course, is that solar panels work during the day and the casinos blaze away in the night. But connect it all to America's National Grid and that's not a problem. The casinos won't be powering themselves literally, but it's good enough.

The lack of oil is a very big problem for us. Plastic and CDs and just about everything is made using oil, and not just to power the machines to make them.supposedly there's a product being made that works like a fabber from sci-fi shows where you input a schematic and it makes a plastic product. I don't know for certain as I haven't researched, but I can't imagine that being powered by oil, so perhaps they've come up with an alternative.

As far as global warming goes, I believe the climate is changing, but the fact is that it's happened before without our help and we've survived it. I mean by technical definition we're still in our 6th ice age.that's kinda what I'm going with. seems to me that we haven't been industrial long enough to have had a huge effect on the climate to the degree that everything's melting and going to **** as quick as it is. sure, we're not helping, and we definitely need to figure out some alternative fuels to help things out, but surely we can't be solely responsible and therefore can't be solely responsible for fixing it.

that's kinda what I'm going with. seems to me that we haven't been industrial long enough to have had a huge effect on the climate to the degree that everything's melting and going to **** as quick as it is. sure, we're not helping, and we definitely need to figure out some alternative fuels to help things out, but surely we can't be solely responsible and therefore can't be solely responsible for fixing it.

And what if we aren't solely responsible for causing it? Does that still change the fact that the earth is getting hotter? And what do you mean we can't be solely responsible for fixing it...are we just going to wait and hope for the earth to fix itself?

With billions of people on this planet...it doesn't seem all that hard for me to believe we have caused so much damage in such a small space of time :-/

And what if we aren't solely responsible for causing it? Does that still change the fact that the earth is getting hotter? And what do you mean we can't be solely responsible for fixing it...are we just going to wait and hope for the earth to fix itself?no no no, read my first post, I'm saying that the earth is still getting hotter regardless of whether or not we caused it so the point was rather moot in that extent. as for the thing about us fixing it, I more meant that there's not really much we can do. the earth will fix itsself eventually, it's just whether or not anything ON the planet survives through that fixing stage. not much we can do if that's the case. now, granted, it COULD be us and the problem could be fixed by cars that produce oxygen and thereby fix the environment rather than damage it and what-not, and we should strive toward that goal of those sorts of technology just in case. I'm just saying I see it far more likely that the earth is just in a warming trend and there's absolutely **** we can do about it other than hope we live through it :p

With billions of people on this planet...it doesn't seem all that hard for me to believe we have caused so much damage in such a small space of time :-/I dunno, I mean the earth is rather gigantic. I just don't think it very likely that we were entirely to blame for such a huge effect on the earth.....I mean, I don't know for sure either way so I'm just goin with "may be, may not be" on this one.

I think we've gone way beyond the point of pointing fingers around. ****'s gonna happen, it's as clear as that, and it doesn't matter why. When a volcano's gonna hit you don't sit around going "well it's clearly the nature's fault so I'm just gonna sit here, do nothing and melt!". Sure the nature's had its way and nothing's stopped it for billions of years, but that doesn't mean it's good. All the previous ice ages resulted in the extinction of tons of species that couldn't handle it. The same could happen to us if we act just as irrationally.

In my opinion, there's two things we need to do. We need to both try to prevent disaster (or at least reduce it) and (since it's probably inevitable) get prepared for it. Sure we can stop it and do all the ecological mumbo-jumbo of reducing pollution, using reneweable resources, etc, etc. But what if we still get hopelessly flooded? We need to reinforce coastal areas, come up with alternate ways of living, etc, etc. I know it's pretty extreme, but do you really expect everything to just solve itself?

Clearly the climate changes without humans. Clearly humans change the climate. The only questions are the relative sizes of those effects and whether we can stop them.

To be frank, even if we're not causing much of the currently observed climate change (which patently we are), we can still influence it and if reducing emissions will reduce the entirely natural climate change then it's just as important that we do so as it would be to reduce man-made changes. The changes still result in our being dead, regardless of their cause.

I have no doubt that climate change is happening, but I'm doubtful whether it's carbon dioxide causing it. Water vapour is by far the greatest greenhouse gas on our planet, and the concentration of CO2 at 380ppm just seems far too low to make any significant difference.

Yes, but the surface of the planet isn't mostly covered with liquid CO2 (for two very good reasons), and CO2 doesn't foms clouds and drop out of the sky, so I think the amount of water in the atmosphere is far more a self-regulating constant.

supposedly there's a product being made that works like a fabber from sci-fi shows where you input a schematic and it makes a plastic product. I don't know for certain as I haven't researched, but I can't imagine that being powered by oil, so perhaps they've come up with an alternative

They probably still make the polymers out of oil. Natural plastics aren't quite up to par yet. And that they're biodegradable is a good thing for knives and forks, we don't want our computer plastics biodegrading while we're still using them. There's a place nearby which uses biodegradable knives and forks made from cornstarch, but they're quite weak and I break a few forks with every meal. Packing peanuts made from rice, on the other hand, are actually really good at doing what they do.


And for anyone who thinks recycling can't make a difference - http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/non-hw/muncpl/faq.htm

A few points of special interest:
Recycling aluminum cans, for example, saves 95 percent of the energy required to make the same amount of aluminum from its virgin source, bauxite.

In 2000, recycling resulted in an annual energy savings of at least 660 trillion BTUs, which equals the amount of energy used in 6 million households annually. In 2005, recycling is conservatively projected to save 900 trillion BTUs, equal to the annual energy use of 9 million households.

Trees absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and store it in wood in a process called "carbon sequestration." Waste prevention and recycling paper products allows more trees to remain standing in the forest, where they can continue to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

The item most frequently encountered in MSW landfills is plain old paper—on average, it accounts for more than 40 percent of a landfill's contents. This proportion has held steady for decades and in some landfills has actually risen. Newspapers alone can take up as much as 13 percent of the space in US landfills.


At uni there aren't nearly enough recycling bins, so nearly everyone just throws their bottles and cans away, miserably. At this park near where I live, every trash can has a built in recycling bin - both are one attached unit. Now if all public trash cans had recycling counterparts, there would be diddly squat reason for anyone to not recycle anything. And then the city can claim the 5 cent CRV incentive for recycling each of these bottles/cans, probably turning a profit.:rolleyes: Unless only private parties/individuals could reclaim that, which would be really quite stupid and is hopefully not the case.

At uni there aren't nearly enough recycling bins, so nearly everyone just throws their bottles and cans away, miserably

On the plus side, we will eventually be able to mine landfills.

Even if we aren't causing any sort of gloabal climate change, I personally believe we still need to recycle. Even if you ignore the environmental positives of recycling, we still waste far too much, and that is a very serious problem in itself. Provided the facilities are available, I see no reason why people shouldn't recycle.

Even if we aren't causing any sort of gloabal climate change, I personally believe we still need to recycle. Even if you ignore the environmental positives of recycling, we still waste far too much, and that is a very serious problem in itself. Provided the facilities are available, I see no reason why people shouldn't recycle.completely agree. unfortunately, where I live I've never even seen what a recycle can (or whatever they're called). they don't have them in any public areas at all, and to my knowledge they don't offer them through the local trash services. I would have absolutely NO problem recycling as perfectly useful aluminum seems a pointless thing to waste to me, but short of saving everything in plastic bags and driving to a junk yard something like an hour from my house to hand-deliver the stuff to be recycled, I'm unaware of a way to do so.

edit: They probably still make the polymers out of oil. Natural plastics aren't quite up to par yet. And that they're biodegradable is a good thing for knives and forks, we don't want our computer plastics biodegrading while we're still using them. There's a place nearby which uses biodegradable knives and forks made from cornstarch, but they're quite weak and I break a few forks with every meal. Packing peanuts made from rice, on the other hand, are actually really good at doing what they do. just realized I forgot to reply to this: the machine was going to be made cheap and you were supposed to be able to make the objects at any given time in your own home. I don't imagine they were too much worried on longevity for those. the convenience of making your own plastic items was supposed to out-weigh the downsides, I imagine. granted, I didn't exactly do research on this even a little bit :p

completely agree. unfortunately, where I live I've never even seen what a recycle can (or whatever they're called). they don't have them in any public areas at all, and to my knowledge they don't offer them through the local trash services. I would have absolutely NO problem recycling as perfectly useful aluminum seems a pointless thing to waste to me, but short of saving everything in plastic bags and driving to a junk yard something like an hour from my house to hand-deliver the stuff to be recycled, I'm unaware of a way to do so.

where do you live? my city (and i thought most other cities as well) has a really great municipal recycling service

On the plus side, we will eventually be able to mine landfills.

One thing we could do with the rubbish would be to fill landmines.

In my hometown the municipal reycling only takes #1 and 2 plastics, and you have to throw away all other numbers... Fortunately most things are 1 and 2, but still.

On campus at uni the few scattered bins there are only accept the same 1 and 2, however in the dorm buildings we can recycle plastic of any resin code. And we just recently were given individual recycling bins for the rooms, so people have actually been pretty good about recycling, although you still get the occasional person who puts their trash bin in the recycling bin to save space and doesn't recycle.:rolleyes: But the actual on-campus bins suck and are very badly placed...

Nevada and Casinos and Solar Panels

That's actually a good idea. I heard somewhere that to power our country off of solar power we would need to cover an area roughly the size of Kansas. Nevada is quite bigger than Kansas. But I've also pondered about how much energy we could get by putting solar panels on all of our rooftops. It's not like we have anything better to do with our roofs than put solar panels on them anyways - it's entirely unused space. And honestly, I really like the look of solar panel roofs, although some people don't.

In my hometown the municipal reycling only takes #1 and 2 plastics, and you have to throw away all other numbers... Fortunately most things are 1 and 2, but still.Lucky you. In my hometown they don't recycle plastic at all.

Well, it's clear we need to recycle to prevent buildup of waste and to conserve resources. That's an undeniable fact. It's also clear that fossil fuel dependency is hurting us badly. So many things depend on it. Also an undeniable fact. OD for government!

I can't remember if anyone's posted this video (http://www.break.com/index/tough-to-argue.html) yet.

You know, sometimes I think all sci-fi that deals with the terrible future where human beings are scattered across space in hundreds of colonised worlds, forced to leave our home planet due to war or total environmental disaster won't be too far from the truth.

where do you live? my city (and i thought most other cities as well) has a really great municipal recycling serviceI live in louisiana. louisiana is ranked 48-50th in all things related to good policies and programs related to anything, and 1-5 in all policies and programs related to anything bad. you can seriously go look up a listing of which state is the best/worst for any random thing, and louisiana will be at the top of every worst list, and bottom of every best list.

Lucky you. In my hometown they don't recycle plastic at all.

We do here.

We have a green bin and a black bin, and all PET, paper, card, and so forth goes in the green bin, and the rest goes in the black bin, and then every week or two the Council collect both bins, tip the contents into a truck, landfill the lot together, and then dump the empty bins on the street, whence we pick them up and use them again the following week.

The bins are made of plastic.

The odd thing is, our council won't take cardboard. Paper, cans and bottles only, really.

So a lot of our cardboard (plus many of my used tissues) goes on our compost heap, where it helps to preserve the carbon-nitrogen balance.

We do here.

We have a green bin and a black bin, and all PET, paper, card, and so forth goes in the green bin, and the rest goes in the black bin, and then every week or two the Council collect both bins, tip the contents into a truck, landfill the lot together, and then dump the empty bins on the street, whence we pick them up and use them again the following week.

The bins are made of plastic.Our council only supplied us with bins about 6 months ago. Before that it was good old fashioned bags on the street.

We take our recycling fairly seriously. There's this things all over the country for all your separating needs:
http://www.mun-guarda.pt/fotos/ambiente/ecoponto_450.jpg
(kid not included)

And if all the pamphlets, tv ads, official website and common sense aren't enough to make you figure it out, even the package labels indicate where they go.

Looks like a preview of the next Doctor Who series.

We take our recycling fairly seriously. There's this things all over the country for all your separating needs:
http://www.mun-guarda.pt/fotos/ambiente/ecoponto_450.jpg
(kid not included)

And if all the pamphlets, tv ads, official website and common sense aren't enough to make you figure it out, even the package labels indicate where they go.
Why's that kid humping it? :confused:

I think he's nicking it.

The poor thing. He looks half human, half Doogle from The Magic Roundabout. He must be confused.

I can see how that might be confusing.