the reason why plusle and minum theory came up was becuase the spelling of the japanese was similar to the names
:p In what way? Is plusle/minum close to the phonetic Japanese of player? Because as far as I know you can't actually write Japanese using english words in any other way. :s

http://www.mialbum.cl/documentos_personales/6312557996-149591651-835-9298-1025.jpg

It would be a good pairing though, don't you think? Plusle's name orginates from "plus", and minum's from "minus". Just incase you didnt notice that..

Plusle's name orginates from "plus", and minum's from "minus". Just incase you didnt notice that.. mind = blown! :eek:

mind = blown! :eek: What really blew my mind was that about half an hour after my post I was playing Pokemon Emerald for about an hour, in which I caught a minum and was challenged by two pairs of trainers who used combinations of plusles and minums. Take into account that these were the first encounters that I had of any of these pokemon in the game and you cant get a bigger coincidence than that.

you cant get a bigger coincidence than that.
.............................I'm trying really hard not to make a serious response to that.

In what way? Is plusle/minum close to the phonetic Japanese of player? Because as far as I know you can't actually write Japanese using english words in any other way. :s...what i meant was that, if you said the "english" words that supposedly stood for "plusle and minum," you would be saying japanese, and that japanese would translate to "player" or something
:p

guess I'll go ahead and post mine here as well.

Mario Kart: 4639 9378 4871

edit: anyone else finding that with the 4 new racers on the track that everything is overcrowded? every time I hit a banana I lose 3 places. a turtle shell is 5 and if I get hit by a bomb or fall off the course I may as well restart the map. the bad part is all these things happen 3 and 4 times more often than any other mario kart games. I'll be in first place by a HUGE margin, then I'll get zapped by lightning which throws me off the edge of something just to respawn where a turtle shell is coming at me and then get punted across the road by a heavy person, which sets me in 12th. this happens in some form or another in every single race. I can be completely destroying my competition but a series of overly-populated and inconvenient items will put me back to last.

I completely agree with you, I don't think the AI is any different, it's just that it gets quite overcrowded, and with items like the blue spiny targeting the leader, it can be quite hard maintaining the lead.

I generally find it's best to hang back a bit until the final lap as you get rubbish items when you're first anyway.

And also, what is the deal with the completely made-up times that appear after the race is finished? I have counted how many seconds after me the person in second place crosses the finish line, but according to the times he crossed a good few seconds before that!

And also, what is the deal with the completely made-up times that appear after the race is finished? I have counted how many seconds after me the person in second place crosses the finish line, but according to the times he crossed a good few seconds before that!well the game doesn't let the AI finish anyway, so I assume it records how far behind you they were when you crossed the finish line and post that time. haven't actually tested this theory yet, though.

I suppose that makes the most sense, although it is a bit wrong when you actually see the player cross the finish line if he isn't too far behind you. Still, having an exeption to the rule for how it calculates the race time isn't exactly good game design...

Yeah, there's more chaos with 12 than 8. I preferred it with 8, anyway.

And i've added Akuryou.

edit: anyone else finding that with the 4 new racers on the track that everything is overcrowded? every time I hit a banana I lose 3 places. a turtle shell is 5 and if I get hit by a bomb or fall off the course I may as well restart the map. the bad part is all these things happen 3 and 4 times more often than any other mario kart games. I'll be in first place by a HUGE margin, then I'll get zapped by lightning which throws me off the edge of something just to respawn where a turtle shell is coming at me and then get punted across the road by a heavy person, which sets me in 12th. this happens in some form or another in every single race. I can be completely destroying my competition but a series of overly-populated and inconvenient items will put me back to last.
Can't say I quite agree with you there Aku. Except for the brutal tracks, such as Rainbow Road, getting a REALLY bad turn of events is nearly always counterbalanced because of those really powerful items you get nearly all the time when you're last, such as the Golden Mushroom.

Anyway, I'll add you once I get back to my Wiil, although I haven't been playing Mario Kart much.

Even though it's crowded, and it's easier to get sent back, it's also easier to climb positions. (well, except when you get literally BOMBARDED by all 11 people: blue + blooper + lightning + pow + rain of stuff being sent to you has happened to me D: included guy with star over me)

oh I agree it's easier to climb. much easier to climb. you get back to position 12 and you get items like the bullet bill that send oyu screaming abck up towards the front. unfortunately, I always get to about position 6 or so and then become stagnant. at 6 you get a few nice items but almost nothing to actually get you back up in the front of the race again. you can slowly crawl your way back up but you're also in the middle of the pack surrounded by every other racer on the field. I normally end up with enough weapons to gain a few spots, only to be knocked back into 12th again with another series of spammy weaponry.

the part that bugs me, though, is that normally the knock backs are inconveniently timed. on 150cc, the grand prix becomes entirely random. the winner is just whoever happened to manage the higher positions more often than not rather than the person who actually did the best job at recovery. there's almost never the same winner twice in any given race of grand prix. 4 different people will win the courses once each. as I get better at the tracks I tend to keep first place slightly longer, but that doesn't stop me from getting sent back to the end of the line randomly without being able to do anything about it...

the part that bugs me, though, is that normally the knock backs are inconveniently timed. on 150cc, the grand prix becomes entirely random. the winner is just whoever happened to manage the higher positions more often than not rather than the person who actually did the best job at recovery. there's almost never the same winner twice in any given race of grand prix. 4 different people will win the courses once each. as I get better at the tracks I tend to keep first place slightly longer, but that doesn't stop me from getting sent back to the end of the line randomly without being able to do anything about it...

One thing I noticed is that the CPU sometimes... SAVES their items. I got beaten more than once for being red shell'd at the finish line... :(

Could be paranoia, though :p

in case anyone cared...

ssbb eu boxart
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x268/kjintonic/smashbroseu.jpg
:p

in case anyone cared...

ssbb eu boxart
[SSB Boxart here]
:p

Im going to steal that if you tell me you got it already :P (release date is 27th june btw)

Oh and the thing of being bombed at 150cc in MKWii, I feel like being paranoid because of all the items I get bombed with the last lap.

Still trying to get gold in Mirror cups, only needing 2...

Sonic is not on the cover.
One is not amused.

in case anyone cared...

ssbb eu boxart
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x268/kjintonic/smashbroseu.jpg
:p

Why didn't we get the dark boxart!

seriously, i liked that one better.:(

Im going to steal that if you tell me you got it already :P (release date is 27th june btw)
Does that box even remotely look like a real thing?

(release date is 27th june btw)
Once again: IF THE RELEASE DATE COMES FROM ANY SOURCE OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES, IT IS NOT THE REAL RELEASE DATE!

Does that box even remotely look like a real thing?


Once again: IF THE RELEASE DATE COMES FROM ANY SOURCE OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES, IT IS NOT THE REAL RELEASE DATE!

I hope that Nintendo counts as a good source then (Page 6, lower part):
http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/games/wii_games_1959.html

EDIT: http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/games/wii/super_smash_bros_brawl_2785.html

Does that box even remotely look like a real thing?


Once again: IF THE RELEASE DATE COMES FROM ANY SOURCE OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES, IT IS NOT THE REAL RELEASE DATE!



http://nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/2008/nintendo_announces_q2_release_schedule_7920.html

Nuff said.

*gets ready to save up money*

TF2 update is out! Goldrush seems pretty awesome, and you can use console commands to unlock the new medic weapons :p

The vampire needler gun is brilliant.

Sonic is not on the cover.
One is not amused.It's probably to not be misleading since he's an unlockable.

TF2 update is out! Goldrush seems pretty awesome, and you can use console commands to unlock the new medic weapons :pAlready been fixed. :p

Already been fixed. :pSeems I escaped that one, restarted steam and still got 'em :) I did just unlock the weapons though, not any achievements, so that might be why.

Edit: They've gone this morning. This sucks. I don't want to spend forever on some stupid achievements just to get some nifty weapons.

Edit: Hurrah, after spending far too many hours on a small server with some friends I've now unlocked 26 of them and have the vampire needler and kritzkreig back again.

WOO! the Age of Conan NDA has been lifted for general information gained from below level 13.

anyone interested in knowing anything general about the game? seemed like a good idea to offer in case anyone's interested but still on the fence.

Meh. I just found out about the MMOG, "Lego Universe", that's in production, so that's my hype subject for the day.

I already started a thread on it on RealVG (http://www.realvg.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=9392#post9392), and I don't feel like repeating myself. So go there instead.
:p

Meh. I just found out about the MMOG, "Lego Universe", that's in production, so that's my hype subject for the day.

I already started a thread on it on RealVG (http://www.realvg.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=9392#post9392), and I don't feel like repeating myself. So go there instead.
:phow did you manage to miss this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/2/25/ :p

how did you manage to miss this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/2/25/ :p
I don't read Penny Arcade. I never found it to be the "awe-inspiring godly comic" that everyone says it is.

I don't read Penny Arcade.:eek: BLASPHEMER!!! BURN THE WITCH! :mad:

Seems I escaped that one, restarted steam and still got 'em :) I did just unlock the weapons though, not any achievements, so that might be why.

Edit: They've gone this morning. This sucks. I don't want to spend forever on some stupid achievements just to get some nifty weapons.

Edit: Hurrah, after spending far too many hours on a small server with some friends I've now unlocked 26 of them and have the vampire needler and kritzkreig back again.

Further updates: I lost 'em all this morning, slightly irritated by that. This evening I got an email from Valve saying they'd made a mistake, and they've given them back, including the uberbonesaw! :D

Now everyone join the free TF2 weekend :P

I don't read Penny Arcade. I never found it to be the "awe-inspiring godly comic" that everyone says it is.I wouldn't call it awe-inspiring and godly.

But it's not bad, and this very not-badness, this actual possession of competence, lifts it above a lot of the competition in the "gaming webcomic" sector.

I actually find with Penny Arcade that strips usually either fall completely flat or are brilliant. And the number of the latter just seems to keep on increasing as the years go by.

Which surprises me, as I am not very in touch with the gaming world. Though looking back on it, most of the jokes are pretty accessible anyway.

everyone remember the flash version of Portals (http://portal.wecreatestuff.com/)? well, they released a map pack for Portal that includes the 40 maps from the flash version of the game.

http://portalmaps.wecreatestuff.com/

I looked in my local Game today for some games.

First thing i see.... SSBB boxes with coming soon on them. So i think its definitely releasing on the 27th June now....

Can't wait!

yep, ssbb launches on june 27 in europe
http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/index.html
:p

Oh good, someone typed it for me, that saves me the bother. (http://tech.uk.msn.com/gaming/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8115123)

Eloquent too

Oh good, someone typed it for me, that saves me the bother. (http://tech.uk.msn.com/gaming/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8115123)

Eloquent too
Hoo-ray, more "cute and cuddly are not good for gaming" articles!
Really, how did these kind of people play games before the Playstation came along? Just about everything was designed for family fun then.
Actually, why do people keep thinking that the now-mainstream games were the standard for videogame history, when Mario and Pokemon and The Sims are pretty much the kings of games? (the only three game franchises to sell over 100 million games)

Come to think of it, the library of next-gen games is HUGE! How do people manage to play all of the good 'hardcore' games enough to give out about the games they don't like?

Oh good, someone typed it for me, that saves me the bother. (http://tech.uk.msn.com/gaming/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8115123)

Eloquent too
That article sucks balls.

How to start...let's see. I'm ****ed off that Smash Bros Brawl is going to be released in June, but at least we have a solid release date *Shakes fist at America and Japan*. My brother got Mario Kart Wii and I've been having a go at it. Good, solid fun, in my opinion. The Wii Wheel feels natural in my hands, and Rainbow Road is HARD in this Mario Kart. Although the way some of the courses are done make it feel like a extreme sports game.

Good news! might not be for the people that are waiting, but is for me! my Auntie in New york will get the game and send it to me! woooohooooooo!:D
Hold up there Shadowthingy, American Wii games won't work on a European Wii. At all. Well, unless you have a modified console.
PS3 (but not PS2 or PS1) and PC games still work on their other-continent console counterparts, but other consoles wont.

...
er, you could get the wii freeloader (http://us.codejunkies.com/Products/Wii-FreeLoader--European-Version__EF000595.aspx) to play us games on uk wiis
or vice versa, depending on what version of the freeloader you get
:p

Hoo-ray, more "cute and cuddly are not good for gaming" articles!

Yes, because thats exactly what he said. Not jumping to conclusions at all. Nope.

Timesplitters 4 anyone?

Yes, because thats exactly what he said. Not jumping to conclusions at all. Nope.
It was, however, a very stupid article. I read it all. And the guy is a moron.

Timesplitters 4 anyone?

Can't wait.

I loved TS 2.

Nothing has been released on it other than the fact that it will be using the Haze engine and will focus more on parodying games rather than movies this time around.

Also I read in a magazine that a suggestion for a "car made of lava driven by a pirate and firing ninjas was rejected because it wasn't crazy enough."

There's a teaser here:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=09S-i0r1IBc

Nothing has been released on it other than the fact that it will be using the Haze engine and will focus more on parodying games rather than movies this time around.

Also I read in a magazine that a suggestion for a "car made of lava driven by a pirate and firing ninjas was rejected because it wasn't crazy enough."

There's a teaser here:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=09S-i0r1IBc

I've seen it.

I will wish for it to come to wii.

I've seen it.

I will wish for it to come to wii.

*laughs in face*

*laughs in face*

Shut up, i read they were interested in it coming to the Wii, and that it could be possible. Since the whole project still is shrouded in mystery, it's yet to be announced.

I will wish for it to come to wii.
Apparently, it might actually happen (http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/timesplitters-4/news/free-radical-eyeing-wii-for-timesplitters-4/a-2007092511119415035/g-20070808103026684034).

Apparently, it might actually happen (http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/timesplitters-4/news/free-radical-eyeing-wii-for-timesplitters-4/a-2007092511119415035/g-20070808103026684034).

As i said.

Splinter, shut your face. :p

As i said.

Splinter, shut your face. :p

I doubt he's even played it, if he didn't know that.

I might check out Timesplitters, or is it an 18+ or something?

I've never played it, but heard of it a few times.

TimeSplitters could work quite well on the Wii. Like any FPS. I'm talking about the point and shoot concept, I still didn't try it yet, but I'd like to.

I doubt he's even played it, if he didn't know that.
I doubt he's even played it too. But mainly because it's not out yet.
:p

I doubt he's even played it, if he didn't know that.

I might check out Timesplitters, or is it an 18+ or something?

I've never played it, but heard of it a few times.

It's getting more violent as the series continues. The first two weren't very violent, granted you could shoot zombies head off and such but they didn't actually introduce blood to it until future perfect. It was also originally a lot more cartoony with the character design. But they seemed to have scrapped that a bit in the later games. I hate that because T2 had some of the best characters and concept art ever in existence. I guess that was EAs take-over. T4 apparently will have realistic characters with cartoony faces.

I liked the crazy massive limbs and giant guns :(

IMHO the original Timesplitters was the best. I used to play it ALL the time!

Liked Timesplitters 2 best, and always will.

By the way, does anyone know how to access the WiiMote Memory?

TimeSplitters for wii actually being planned?! :D :D

As i said.

Splinter, shut your face. :pjust ignore him. he only posts to flame any nintendo product. he's such a fan boy it's not even funny anymore.

TimeSplitters for wii actually being planned?! :D :D

just ignore him. he only posts to flame any nintendo product. he's such a fan boy it's not even funny anymore.

Yes, I was flaming, thats EXACTLY what I was doing :rolleyes:
Actually I was working on the false assumption that previous TimeSplitters were only on PS2/XBox, which is only actually true for the first, so I retract my previous statement :rolleyes:

Yes, I was flaming, thats EXACTLY what I was doing :rolleyes:
Actually I was working on the false assumption that previous TimeSplitters were only on PS2/XBox, which is only actually true for the first, so I retract my previous statement :rolleyes:http://cube.ign.com/objects/639/639599.html
http://cube.ign.com/objects/479/479934.html

now, go back to whatever hole you spawned in and leave the rest of us to talking peacefully.

which is only actually true for the first,
Wrong again, Splinty. The first Timesplitters was released as a PS2 launch title. It was released over a year before the Xbox itself was released.

http://cube.ign.com/objects/639/639599.html
http://cube.ign.com/objects/479/479934.html

now, go back to whatever hole you spawned in and leave the rest of us to talking peacefully.
Didnt I already say I was wrong?
Wrong again, Splinty. The first Timesplitters was released as a PS2 launch title. It was released over a year before the Xbox itself was released.
That would have required an extra 10 words, and anyone who cared enough (ie. you) would look it up themselves.

That would have required an extra 10 words, and anyone who cared enough (ie. you) would look it up themselves.
That's a fancy way of saying "whoops".

Moreso, I can't help but notice how that sentence took more than 10 words to make...

Didnt I already say I was wrong?yes, which just makes it that you ADMITTED to coming on here and trolling for no reason. so, as I said before and many times in previous threads when you've made the same inflammatory accusations against nintendo products for absolutely no reason: go crawl back into whatever hole you came from. we don't need someone posting if all they ever post is negative comments towards a gaming platform without actually knowing anything about said platform, be it nintendo, sony, microsoft or anything else.

yes, which just makes it that you ADMITTED to coming on here and trolling for no reason. so, as I said before and many times in previous threads when you've made the same inflammatory accusations against nintendo products for absolutely no reason: go crawl back into whatever hole you came from. we don't need someone posting if all they ever post is negative comments towards a gaming platform without actually knowing anything about said platform, be it nintendo, sony, microsoft or anything else.

a) it wasnt negative. At worst it mildly condescending
b) it had nothing to do with nintendo
c) i wasnt trolling, i was saying what i though was true using as few words as possible, assuming people could figure out the rest rather than seeing TROLLTROLLTROLL
d) this is the first post in ages ive made that was even 'mildly condescending' or in any way (supposedly) related to nintendo

Stop jumping to conclusions, you know nothing of what I know or think

Oh good, someone typed it for me, that saves me the bother. (http://tech.uk.msn.com/gaming/article.aspx?cp-documentid=8115123)

Eloquent too

Wasn't so long ago, it seems, but hey, believe whatever you want, I don't care anymore :p

a) it wasnt negative. At worst it mildly condescending
b) it had nothing to do with nintendo
c) i wasnt trolling, i was saying what i though was true using as few words as possible, assuming people could figure out the rest rather than seeing TROLLTROLLTROLL
d) this is the first post in ages ive made that was even 'mildly condescending' or in any way (supposedly) related to nintendo

Stop jumping to conclusions, you know nothing of what I know or thinkoh how could I EVER be so mistaken?! I should be ashamed of myself for jumping to such wild conclusions!

except that you have a history of doing all of those things and if "*laughs in face*" wasn't negative or trolling in that context then I don't know what would be.

Wasn't so long ago, it seems, but hey, believe whatever you want, I don't care anymore :p

How is that negative? That article just suggested that concentrating on 'family gaming' encouraged new gamers while alienating the existing gamers?

oh how could I EVER be so mistaken?! I should be ashamed of myself for jumping to such wild conclusions!

except that you have a history of doing all of those things and if "*laughs in face*" wasn't negative or trolling in that context then I don't know what would be.

It was a joke? A mock-elitist way of saying "fat chance"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGHg09d8y0c&feature=related
Ahaha I found this hilarious. :P

apparently Age of Conan is actually released for preorder people tomorrow. I am happy about this :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGHg09d8y0c&feature=related
Ahaha I found this hilarious. :Pold u noob :(

so....I purchased the Age of Conan collector's edition and it comes with 5 guest passes for friends to join you in age of conan. I, being a loser, have no friends to give said passes to, and so I offer them to you guys. no idea how many or if any of you at all are into MMOs, but if anyone's interested PM me. I doubt it'll be a problem but if more than 5 request the passes go to people I like more :p

So... the guest pass is like getting the game for free? Or just a trial?
Is this one of those subscription based MMO's?
What are the recommended or minimum specs?
Am I making too many questions?
Do you think I'm pretty? :(

:p

So... the guest pass is like getting the game for free? Or just a trial?
I would presume it'd be a 1-month pass.

Is this one of those subscription based MMO's?
The price of an 'Age of Conan Playtime Card' is $29.99 for two months (or $14.99 a month), which is in line with the industry standard

What are the recommended or minimum specs?
I would presume the minimum requirements wouldn't be very high, considering it's a MMORPG.

Am I making too many questions?
Yes. Just like I'm making too many answers.

Do you think I'm pretty? :(
Normally, I'd say that depends on the viewers opinion on what is beauty, but for this case it's universally accepted that you are not!
Oh, except for Metal Alex, he thinks you look alright.

:p
You left out the question mark.


As for me, I'd give it a shot except for that I have my second-level final exams coming up that won't be finished for another 34 days. Oh well.
Edit: Looking at screenshots, it looks like a damn beautiful game!

So... the guest pass is like getting the game for free? Or just a trial?it's apparently a 7-day guest pass
Is this one of those subscription based MMO's?yes, of course. the subscription is $15 a month as plasma said.
What are the recommended or minimum specs?minimum:
OS: Vista or XP
RAM: 1GB
Video Card: 128MB, GeForce 6600 +
Processor: 3Ghz single core +
HD: 32GB

Recommended:
OS: Vista or XP
RAM: 2GB dual channel DDR2
Video Card: 512MB, GeForce 7900 GTX +
Processor: 2.4Ghz dual core +
HD: 32GB
Am I making too many questions?yes.
Do you think I'm pretty? :(YES!

Oh, except for Metal Alex, he thinks you look alright.

HEY, OUR SECRET D:

Normally, I'd say that depends on the viewers opinion on what is beauty, but for this case it's universally accepted that you are not!

Ur ghey. :mad:
it's apparently a 7-day guest pass
yes, of course. the subscription is $15 a month as plasma said.
minimum:
OS: Vista or XP
RAM: 1GB
Video Card: 128MB, GeForce 6600 +
Processor: 3Ghz single core +
HD: 32GB

Recommended:
OS: Vista or XP
RAM: 2GB dual channel DDR2
Video Card: 512MB, GeForce 7900 GTX +
Processor: 2.4Ghz dual core +
HD: 32GB
yes.
YES!
1. Boo!
2. Booooo!
3. K.
4. K.
5. Yay! :o :p

Summary: Neh, not interested. :p
HEY, OUR SECRET D:
;)

Rejected Wii Play Games (http://revver.com/video/280210/rejected-wiiplay-games/)

Rejected Wii Play Games (http://revver.com/video/280210/rejected-wiiplay-games/)

Didn't find it too funny, but I cracked at the second from the end.

Haha, that was pretty awesome. :p

Where can I get those games?




:cool:

Second opinion!

Second opinion!

oh, forgot that one, too. Genious.

Y'know, I'm suprised there's no talk whatsoever on WiiWare here yet, now that it's been released in all countries.

I have 4 other games I need to beat right now. I'll play wiiware when I get less stuff to waste my time on :p

Y'know, I'm suprised there's no talk whatsoever on WiiWare here yet, now that it's been released in all countries.

I haven't found anything in there that particularly catches my attention.

So, anybody checked out the Penny Arcade (http://www.penny-arcade.com/) game (http://www.playgreenhouse.com/)? I have played through a fair bit of it and I must say I am loving it. The humor is obviously one of the best parts. Being of a point and click nature, it is literally swarming with little odds and ends that give you messages, with most at least garnering a smile, and some being down right hilarious. And the conversations are consistently top quality and are PA humor at its best.

The graphics, while not phenomenal, work well and add to the whole tone and style very well, and are colorful and nice to look at. Pretty much everything besides the actual world you move around in is in the style of the comic and is perhaps his best work to date, with everything looking very nice and stylistic.

The fights are a turn based affair, you select your weapon with the character you want to use and click on the enemy you want to attack, and then you have to wait for that character to "recharge" as it were to attack again. By pressing space at the right time you can block enemy attacks, and if you get it just right you get to counterattack them. There are also special moves which if you pull them off deal a lot of damage, and you can use items on yourself or enemies which have various effects. After fights your characters gain experience and get powerful as they gain levels, gaining new moves and and better stats and such.

Of course, the game is not perfect; it seems virtually impossible to run out of items, which makes the fights which are already not terribly difficult easier, and while there is a lot of great fluff, honestly it is a bit lacking in terms of actual substance gameplay wise. Despite this though, there is something just inexplicably fun about it all. The fights, the smashing stuff open, the running around clicking stuff...'tis just an enjoyable experience.

So yeah, that was my mini review I guess, despite having not finished it. I urge you to go and download the demo and give it a try, even if you are not a huge fan. I understand it is definitely not everyone's tastes, but ya never know, might just surprise yourself. :)

yep. downloaded the demo and it kicked much ass, wasn't mind-boggling, but it WAS definitely good. I will buy the full game after I beat the other 90 games I have in line :p

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_7321_en.html

obviously that was so awesome it killed the thread.

best balance it out with something silly.

http://www.joystiq.com/photos/guitar-hero-on-tour-5-30-08/832038/

I'm a bit tired of this sequelist phase and I've never really played Beyond Good & Evil so.

Hey look it's me, dropping to say:

Banjo-Kazooie 3 looks to be sex

*vanishes again*

All I want is my brawl :( Still have to wait till the 27th...

Anyways, now that I remember, I was gonna post my Wii Friend code and that... I hate it when I forget that.

Anyways:
Wii: 8731 8642 4938 4600
Mario Kart: 2191 7780 4758

If you add me, tell me so, and I'll do the same.

Why didn't you just import from USA and get a freeloader?

I'm duking it out as Sonic now.

Snake kicks ass. :cool:
Also Ike. Much better than Marth.

Why didn't you just import from USA and get a freeloader?

I'm duking it out as Sonic now.

Considering I'm having exams till the 30th, I don't mind getting it then. And I felt like having it in spanish, also.

And I felt like having it in spanish, also.
Ewwww. I hate games when they're dubbed/translated to spanish. Altough this one doesn't have that much dialog, but still, they tend to put goofy names on things. Like Mushrooms get called "Champiñones" in Mario Galaxy. :p
That should be "Hongos".

Ewwww. I hate games when they're dubbed/translated to spanish. Altough this one doesn't have that much dialog, but still, they tend to put goofy names on things. Like Mushrooms get called "Champiñones" in Mario Galaxy. :p
That should be "Hongos".

Yup! but that's actually how it sounds better in Spain... for us, "champiñones" is those, while "hongos" is... the ones that can grow on your skin, and that... (actually, technically, "hongos" includes all fungi, while "champiñon" includes... mushrooms. It's the meaning here)

So I see no problem in that :cool:

Yup! but that's actually how it sounds better in Spain... for us, "champiñones" is those, while "hongos" is... the ones that can grow on your skin, and that... (actually, technically, "hongos" includes all fungi, while "champiñon" includes... mushrooms. It's the meaning here)

So I see no problem in that :cool:
Hongo is better. :mad:

You can't have Champiñones Alucinogenos, but you can have Hongos Alucinogenos. So I think it's clear that Hongos is the right word. :cool:

You can't have Champiñones Alucinogenos, but you can have Hongos Alucinogenos. So I think it's clear that Hongos is the right word. :cool:

ACTUALLY, it's Champiñones Alucinogenos here :cool:

SO, both are correct, depending on the place, but I'm the one getting it translated on my way.





sucker :cool:

ACTUALLY, it's Champiñones Alucinogenos here :cool:

SO, both are correct, depending on the place, but I'm the one getting it translated on my way.





sucker :cool:
You're the one getting a translation that is WRONG.
WROOOONG.
And two wrongs don't make no right.
BYAAAAH!!!

However... I'm the one getting it translated on my way.

:cool:

Finally got mario galaxy.

Its awesome! i'm on the first galaxy so far.

I don't know how many, if any, of you missed the game Psi-Ops for the PS2, but it was a rather great game that is apparently now completely free: http://www.fileplanet.com/187537/180000/fileinfo/Psi-Ops:-The-Mindgate-Conspiracy-(Free-Game)

if you've not played it before, it's worth checking out.

"ad supported"
Me no liek the sound of that.

I've been playing mario galaxy non stop....

I'm on the bedroom, now.

I am disappointed at the lack of talk of BK3.

Damn you.

*buggers off again*

Halo 2- Pc version

I am disappointed at the lack of talk of BK3.
There isn't much to talk about other than the screens look THE SEX!
Unless they've released videos that I am yet to see.

NUTS to BK3, Motorstorm 2 is on a desert island has lava finally has split-screen multiplayer includes a full range of environments, from lava to ice is awesome :eek:

Seriously, lack of split-screen is the only thing that stop Motorstorm (1) being the greatest game of all time :eek: Better than Q3? Surely not?! D:

Monster Trucks in Motorstorm 2 = Win!

Monster Trucks in Motorstorm 2 = Win!

*glee* :cool:

NUTS to BK3, Motorstorm 2 is on a desert island has lava finally has split-screen multiplayer includes a full range of environments, from lava to ice is awesome :eek:

Seriously, lack of split-screen is the only thing that stop Motorstorm (1) being the greatest game of all time :eek: Better than Q3? Surely not?! D:Saw a demo of it being played in Cardiff Virgin Megastore once.

Didn't look half as fun as Excite Truck is :p

I had an internal bet that we wouldnt last 5 posts before someone mentioned excite truck.
We lasted three, one of which was me ¬_¬

Motorstorm I played for 100+ hours. And then still occasionally saw things I'd never seen before. Things that drew a genuine "woah..." That shouldnt be possible in a racing game...

Excite Truck shows all it has in half an hour, and is dead by about 10. 10 hours is pretty damn good for a shooter, but poor for a racing game :mad:

1/3 of this post isnt actually true...
Sue me, I doubt it would even last that long. Motorstorm > Excite Truck :p

Possibly, but it just looks so slow. Where's the "going so fast the scenery blurs"? Where's the "holy crap I'm 200 feet up in the air?" Where's the points for driving through trees?

I mean, look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzXQy9sLMeM&feature=related
And then this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzXQy9sLMeM&feature=related (with sound off for a fair comparison)
and then say which one feels more zany, more manic, more... exciting.

And I'm pretty sure I've spent a lot more than ten hours on it. I'd still be playing it now if I wasn't all "Damn you Canada Gold and Platinum in Super Excite Mode! Damn you to hell!!! All I want are two S-Ranks to unlock Mirror Mode and then I would play the game a whole bunch more, but noooooo, you won't let me have them, no matter how hard I try...".

Besides, I hate this trend of valuing a game's worth based on how long you can play it for. That's accountant speak (although I did mention how I'd played AWDS for over 200 hours in my review of it. But that's just to convince others to get it, because it's awesome, even if it is horribly broken at times and probably the weakest of the four AW games in terms of both gameplay and story. Actually, that may be a good reason not to trust how long I've played it for...).

Multiplayer's not much in Excite Truck, granted, but it's still a fantastic adrenalin rush in single player.

I mean, look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzXQy...eature=related
And then this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzXQy...eature=related (with sound off for a fair comparison)
and then say which one feels more zany, more manic, more... exciting.

I'd say that they're pretty much equal in the zany department.
(I.E., you totally just linked to the same thing twice. :p )

I actually think Motorstorm looks fun. There's no way for me to play it, but it looks good.
It doesn't have the ridiculous thrill of making the ground bulge into a ramp and flying 50 feet up into the air, no, but most racers don't have that. :p

(I.E., you totally just linked to the same thing twice. :p )
Bollocks.

But yeah, type "Motorstorm" and "Excite Truck" into YouTube search or something.

I actually think Motorstorm looks fun. There's no way for me to play it, but it looks good.
It doesn't have the ridiculous thrill of making the ground bulge into a ramp and flying 50 feet up into the air, no, but most racers don't have that. :pFair point. Maybe it is fun (maybe I've been spoilt by the whole WHOOOOAAAAA that is Excite Truck). But I do like my racing games on the zany side (Micro Machines, Mario Kart and Excite Truck being my favourites) and I get frustrated by racing games that expect you to take them seriously.

Crashing in Motorstorm is awesome tho. :p

Possibly, but it just looks so slow. Where's the "going so fast the scenery blurs"? Where's the "holy crap I'm 200 feet up in the air?" Where's the points for driving through trees?
Screen blurs when you boost (seems reasonable), Its just not as... overdone as some games (Im looking at you, Burnout). And there are a few huge ramps in the game (maybe one on most tracks) but again, in moderation: they dont kill the entire rest of the track just to shoehorn in another long falling session.
I mean, look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzXQy9sLMeM&feature=related
And then this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzXQy9sLMeM&feature=related (with sound off for a fair comparison)
and then say which one feels more zany, more manic, more... exciting.
Lol :p
+really crap video anyway... and why sound off? That game has the best sound and music ever :eek:
And I'm pretty sure I've spent a lot more than ten hours on it. I'd still be playing it now if I wasn't all "Damn you Canada Gold and Platinum in Super Excite Mode! Damn you to hell!!! All I want are two S-Ranks to unlock Mirror Mode and then I would play the game a whole bunch more, but noooooo, you won't let me have them, no matter how hard I try...".

Besides, I hate this trend of valuing a game's worth based on how long you can play it for. That's accountant speak (although I did mention how I'd played AWDS for over 200 hours in my review of it. But that's just to convince others to get it, because it's awesome, even if it is horribly broken at times and probably the weakest of the four AW games in terms of both gameplay and story. Actually, that may be a good reason not to trust how long I've played it for...).

I think you contradicted yourself there, as I used it the same was you did :p

"ad supported"
Me no liek the sound of that.oh pfft. it's free. why do you care how horrible the in-game adds are if it's free?

I haven't played Motorstorm (although I totally would get it if I had a PS3) so I'm going to reserve judgment on it for now, but **** has been talked about Excite Truck.:mad:

Excite Truck is a glorious arcade racer. What the game lacks in content it more than makes up for in being completely ****ing awesome.

One does not stop playing excite truck after ten hour because you've 'seen everything the game has to offer'. No, you go back and s-rank that *****. Then you do it all over again in your favorite truck because damn the firefly is fun to drive.

in regards to the multiplayer, I've played 100s of hours of it. Find yourself a worthy opponent and the spartan split-screen mode will be all you need. Nothing beats launching yourself 100 feet in the ait, doing a 1080 then super truck smashing your opponent from above a stone's throw from the finish line.

+really crap video anyway... and why sound off? That game has the best sound and music ever :eek:Because they didn't record the sound in the Motorstorm one. And they did in the Excite Truck one. So I wanted the Excite Truck one muted so it didn't have an unfair advantage

Either way, I screwed up with the linking so it's a moot point.

One does not stop playing excite truck after ten hour because you've 'seen everything the game has to offer'. No, you go back and s-rank that *****. Then you do it all over again in your favorite truck because damn the firefly is fun to drive.

I did say that 1/3 of that post was a lie...

Because they didn't record the sound in the Motorstorm one. And they did in the Excite Truck one. So I wanted the Excite Truck one muted so it didn't have an unfair advantage

Either way, I screwed up with the linking so it's a moot point.

'Oh', I assumed the Motorstorm one had music (for some reason) and was too bone-idle to reach over to my speaker's 'on' button

I've played both games. Motorstorm is a regular off-roader game, but with better graphics and more ramps. It's much more of a basic racing game than Excite Truck
I am wondering what Motorstorm 2 will be like, because I can't think of how the gameplay can change very much. I'm mostly expecting it to be a change in graphics, tracks and physics, just like in the Need for Speed series, than to make any fundamental change.

I've played both games. Motorstorm is a regular off-roader game, but with better graphics and more ramps. It's much more of a basic racing game than Excite Truck
I am wondering what Motorstorm 2 will be like, because I can't think of how the gameplay can change very much. I'm mostly expecting it to be a change in graphics, tracks and physics, just like in the Need for Speed series, than to make any fundamental change.

Thats because your a MASSIVE *****.

As already mentioned above, Motorstorm 2 will have a range of environments this time around (ie. not just MUD, even including water (glee?))

Second, I dont WANT them to change anything else. Its perfect already, leave us alone. And please dont compare Motorstorm to Need for Speed, I can only conclude that you are in fact 'just another troll' ¬_¬

EDIT: Oh, and I know Excite Truck wins on the zany front (clue is in the title) while Motorstorm focuses more on racing, which is why I dont usually compare the two. That aside, I put PURE ADRENALINEEEEOUHUIEPGHUSAXOAFUBP over 'zany'

As already mentioned above, Motorstorm 2 will have a range of environments this time around (ie. not just MUD, even including water (glee?))
Just because something covers all three of the non-fundamental changes in one go doesn't mean it can overfill into the 'fundamental change' category.

Also, I can't help notice that you called me "just another troll" and a "MASSIVE *****", and then proceed to agree with me. Except for that it won't fundamentally change, where you only hoped that you would be able to agree with me.

And please dont compare Motorstorm to Need for Speed, I can only conclude that you are in fact 'just another troll' ¬_¬
I didn't.
*facepalm*

That aside, I put PURE ADRENALINEEEEOUHUIEPGHUSAXOAFUBP over 'zany'Funny, I've always thought Excite Truck felt more PURE ADRENALINEEEEOUHUIEPGHUSAXOAFUBP than Motorstorm.

I've been playing mario galaxy non stop....

I'm on the bedroom, now.

keep us updated

Excite Truck is PURE HOLYCRAPIJUSTRAMMEDANOPPONENTOHNOISCRATCHEDAROCKBL ARGHSOMECRASH.

oh pfft. it's free. why do you care how horrible the in-game adds are if it's free?Have you ever played a Rayman Raving Rabbids for PC that shoves the same unskippable McDonalds ad into your face before and after every minigame including retries?

It's that horrible.

Stuck on a level already......

Also, SSBB is comming in 17 days! yay!

The level i'm stuck on is one with this weird blue liquid... its annoying!:mad:

The level i'm stuck on is one with this weird blue liquid... its annoying!:mad:

I think it's called water... I'm not sure.

I think it's called water... I'm not sure.

Its the boss level in the bedroom. However, you have to get to the boss first.

There's gravity and everything, and if you touch the blue liquid, you disintegrate!

Its the boss level in the bedroom. However, you have to get to the boss first.

There's gravity and everything, and if you touch the blue liquid, you disintegrate!

Oh, the dark matter. It's... like dark purple, if not black, but yeah. With holes moving, I guess you mean. It's just some skill.

I'm mostly expecting it to be a change in graphics, tracks and physics, just like in the Need for Speed series
Oh, everything but a cheap gimmick *sob*
Please dont compare Motorstorm to Need for Speed D:

I didn't.
*facepalm*

Oh, ok

Funny, I've always thought Excite Truck felt more PURE ADRENALINEEEEOUHUIEPGHUSAXOAFUBP than Motorstorm.

We can use and re-use meaningless words all day, the argument will go nowhere: I haven't played Excite Truck, You havent played Motorstorm, Plasma's a tool :p

That level is quite hard, imo.

Has anyone played Wii Fit yet, out of curiosity? i might get it, but i'm not sure......

The level i'm stuck on is one with this weird blue liquid... its annoying!:mad:
Well, you could do some other levels for a bit and get back to that one later.

Well, you could do some other levels for a bit and get back to that one later.

Its a boss level. You go no further until you complete it.

I'm only missing about 6 stars so far.

Its a boss level. You go no further until you complete it.
And what about the stars left in the levels that you did unlock?

Plasma's a tool :p
Finally something we agree on ;)

Have you ever played a Rayman Raving Rabbids for PC that shoves the same unskippable McDonalds ad into your face before and after every minigame including retries?

It's that horrible.ugh. is psi-ops that badly over-loaded with ads? I didn't figure any company was stupid enough to make it THAT annoying....

ugh. is psi-ops that badly over-loaded with ads? I didn't figure any company was stupid enough to make it THAT annoying....I dunno but after trying Ubisoft's "free" ad-supported games I get a lot more cautious.

Psi-Ops is by Midway though so you could give it a shot.

I just watched Die Hard 4.0

If all films were like that, I'd quit games forever :cool:

It might make a good game actually, driving a car into a helicopter, driving a 4x4 through an office. All very GTA-ish.

HOLY **** SPORE DEMO LEAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKED


Just thought I'd tell you.

Also, SFrea, there are 2 more trailers for it out, and a load of interviews and stuff

EDIT: Looks like it's been taken down

HOLY **** SPORE DEMO LEAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKED
That's a very nice not-a-link you have there.

That's because it's a torrent, and not there any more :p

Ah, I found a non-torrent one. I'll wait until a Mod approves of it before sharing the link, as I don't know about this forum's policy towards sharing freeware stuff three days before it's released.

But it does kick ass! It's only got 25% of the items the full Creature Editor will, but it's still fun!
So far, I've created these two:
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6534/spidonicustp1.png
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2408/asanitopisfl4.png
Sizes are a bit off: the second one is considerably smaller than the first.
Picking names is hard.

It also has an avatar maker, but the filesize is too big to use on this forum:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5954/sporegif20080614160332xl2.gif

It also has an avatar maker, but the filesize is too big to use on this forum:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5954/sporegif20080614160332xl2.gif

I would have a go at reducing that, but I havn't used Ani Shop 3 in ages and I cannot remember the year I have to set my system clock back to use it again.

Oh wow, only my fourth creature in before I got that "They shouldn't have made me a god" feeling.
Behold, my latest creation:
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1668/hiboratustf4.png
Yes, it is fat. As in, really really fat! In fact, it's really just a spherical blob of fat! And I didn't even give it legs, so it can only move by waddling.
I've also got a rolling animation of it, just in case you were skeptical about how fat it really is...
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5631/sporegif20080614172936ey0.gif
Oh, but the best part is it's attack. It attacks by raising its arms in the air and just flopping on the enemy! And any body structure it once had instantly disappears, as it turns into an actual blob! And to top all that off, the smile of it's mouth changes too, leaving it with a facial expression that makes it look like it's in agonising pain! Every time! It's hilarious!

Oh, and the third creation was this:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4104/dioargamuskn2.png
It reminds me of a catfish, only evolved to cope with being above water. And also much bigger.
When I started making this, my first intention was to make something really tall, much taller than this thing came out to be. A few things later and I had a basic shape like this. Then I attached the fin things while trying to think of a way to improve it, and that led to using the fish angle. What I'm getting at here is that it's actually really easy to come up with unique creatures, and it'll just come naturally!

I would have a go at reducing that, but I havn't used Ani Shop 3 in ages and I cannot remember the year I have to set my system clock back to use it again.
That ain't getting any less than 32k without removing frames.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1849/sporegifdn8.gif

Found it.

For those wondering, look at some of the torrents for the filename, then google that.

We should make a whole new thread for this. This is seriously awesome.

I have made stuff with my brother, but i am installing the program (Including my fav character.)

Downloadinginging... Seems wonderful, so far.

3D Realms keeps their motto of only showing DNF footage really really obscurey so if you're interested you can catch some actual gameplay footage at 4:20-4:50 in this video (http://crackle.com/c/Jace_Hall/Jace_Hall_Ep_1_DUKE_NUKEM_FOREVER_SNEAK_PEEK_/2298717#ml=o%3d12%26fpl%3d297045%26fx%3d).

3D Realms keeps their motto of only showing DNF footage really really obscurey so if you're interested you can catch some actual gameplay footage at 4:20-4:50 in this video (http://crackle.com/c/Jace_Hall/Jace_Hall_Ep_1_DUKE_NUKEM_FOREVER_SNEAK_PEEK_/2298717#ml=o%3d12%26fpl%3d297045%26fx%3d).ZOMG! FOOTAGE!


....k, now back to holding my breath. *inhales*

3D Realms keeps their motto of only showing DNF footage really really obscurey so if you're interested you can catch some actual gameplay footage at 4:20-4:50 in this video (http://crackle.com/c/Jace_Hall/Jace_Hall_Ep_1_DUKE_NUKEM_FOREVER_SNEAK_PEEK_/2298717#ml=o%3d12%26fpl%3d297045%26fx%3d).
So, Duke Nukem Forever, the game they've been working on for a ridiculous amount of time, is revealed to be a completely generic sci-fi FPS that doesn't do anything that hasn't been done 500 times before.

I liked it better when it was vaporware.

So, Duke Nukem Forever, the game they've been working on for a ridiculous amount of time, is revealed to be a completely generic sci-fi FPS that doesn't do anything that hasn't been done 500 times before.
I'm sorry, were you expecting something else?

I'm sorry, were you expecting something else?honestly, he has a point, PB. it's duke nukem. the only reason the series was popular was because it was a funny shooter back in the day when funny was the only thing required for a video game to be good. it was 3D and you could shoot stuff. that was new and interesting enough for that time. bring it into today's world and you've got a pretty standard shooter with nothing interesting to sell it.

I don't think he's criticizing that Duke Nukem is a generic sci-fi shooter, just that it took them forever to make a generic sci-fi shooter. But I'm still withholding judgement for the final release because every info 3D Realms shows is instantly outdated. (they claim that gameplay is 6 months old)

Though yeah, give how boring and insipid and stupidly serious every sci-fi shooter has been, I really don't care if DNF joins the pack as long as it stands out with its humorous and cheesy style and tries to liven the genre up.

Though yeah, give how boring and insipid and stupidly serious every sci-fi shooter has been, I really don't care if DNF joins the pack as long as it stands out with its humorous and cheesy style and tries to liven the genre up.if it's funny enough I'll go for it, but it'd have to be pretty funny to make it worth playing, unless the gameplay isn't as bland as it seems.

I'm also waiting till its release to give any real judgement. I'm just highly sceptical at this point :p

<-- ...is a Quake Live beta tester :cool:

:p

Well, i'm certainly getting hyped up by the sneak peek.

Anywaaayss...

Though yeah, give how boring and insipid and stupidly serious every sci-fi shooter has been, I really don't care if DNF joins the pack as long as it stands out with its humorous and cheesy style and tries to liven the genre up.

I actually would like it somewhat if it went over the top and made fun of the genre a bit, and that's exactly what I expected Duke Nukem Forever to do, but all I saw in that video was a generic FPS with the main character mumbling to himself.

I kinda expected a gameplay video to show Duke, each hand wielding a minigun that shot missiles with chainsaws on them, shooting down armies of aliens that would each explode into gigantic clouds of gore and money, all the while smoking a cigar, making out with a stripper and shouting out witty phrases about how the aliens just had their asses handed to them... IN AMERICA.

(I have never actually played Duke Nukem. :p)

I kinda expected a gameplay video to show Duke, each hand wielding a minigun that shot missiles with chainsaws on them, shooting down armies of aliens that would each explode into gigantic clouds of gore and money, all the while smoking a cigar, making out with a stripper and shouting out witty phrases about how the aliens just had their asses handed to them... IN AMERICA.

Minus the stripper, that sounds more like serious sam to be honest :p


Also, PS3 is about to steal the only thing the 360 has which is still worth stealing: Achievements :cool:
and 70% of current games will already be compatible

Minus the stripper, that sounds more like serious sam to be honest :p


Also, PS3 is about to steal the only thing the 360 has which is still worth stealing: Achievements :cool:
and 70% of current games will already be compatibleoh come on. EVERYTHING has stolen the achievements :p I've heard talk of wii games with them before, though I can't remember where (most likely from IGN).

bring it into today's world and you've got a pretty standard shooter with nothing interesting to sell it.

Have you not heard of DECENT level design? that in it self is enough to sell another couple million copies of Duke Nukem 3D IMHO.

Have you not heard of DECENT level design? that in it self is enough to sell another couple million copies of Duke Nukem 3D IMHO.yeah, but there are quite a number of great shooter games, just being well designed will get duke nukem a good mark and a suggestion for anyone looking to play the game, but if the only thing it can say about itsself is that it was made by a good design team then that's not much. now, if it's funny, well-designed and has a good plot (even if it's only good because of how hilariously bad it is) then it would be worth playing. I'm just saying that looking at that video it looks rather bland.

Also, PS3 is about to steal the only thing the 360 has which is still worth stealing: Achievements :cool:
and 70% of current games will already be compatibleWhat about them completely ripping off the Wii? (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-working-on-break-apart-motion-ps3-pad)

What about them completely ripping off the Wii? (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-working-on-break-apart-motion-ps3-pad)

I hope thats a lie. Partly because we dont even have the Dual Shock 3 in the UK yet (:(), and partly because if I wanted to use a wiimote, Id get a wii

and partly because if I wanted to use a wiimote, Id get a wiithe wiimote will likely influence the next gen of consoles. you aren't likely going to see even the next xbox without motion control. better get used to the idea now cause the idea is too good to pass up completely, for better or worse.

although hopefully the next gen will be accurate in more ways than just as a pointer.

oh come on. EVERYTHING has stolen the achievements :p I've heard talk of wii games with them before, though I can't remember where (most likely from IGN).
Currently, the 360 and Steam are the only ones I know of that had proper online achievements. But yes, there are a heck-load of offline achievements in games nowadays.

What about them completely ripping off the Wii? (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-working-on-break-apart-motion-ps3-pad)
I've heard about that too, but it's not going to come even close to the number of Wiimotes sold. That's because, unlike the Wii, the PS3 wasn't exclusively made for that controller so games that do use it will be very, very rare.

the wiimote will likely influence the next gen of consoles. you aren't likely going to see even the next xbox without motion control. better get used to the idea now cause the idea is too good to pass up completely, for better or worse.
I don't know, the current PS3 motion sensor seems to get very little to no attention. I expect that Nintendo will still be the only ones to have a proper Wii-type console for a few generations, while the other two stick to the regular.
It's like with FPS games, instead of trying to add innovation, they all do the same stuff, and mabye add in some slightly innovative gimmick. Especially the weapons (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StandardFPSGuns), which is particularly bad for shotguns and flamethrowers, as the sitandard versions of these in video games are nothing like their real-life equivelents.

I don't know, the current PS3 motion sensor seems to get very little to no attention. I expect that Nintendo will still be the only ones to have a proper Wii-type console for a few generations, while the other two stick to the regular.I dunno. I see it getting much more use next gen. I can't speak for microsoft, but sony is a reasonably obvious convert and nintendo can't really go back on their best-selling anything ever, so they'll likely stay with motion control. I can see MS going either way, selling the normal controllers to keep traditional stubborn gamers how they want to play or going with motion controls to enable them to make more off of cross-platform games.

I dunno. I see it getting much more use next gen. I can't speak for microsoft, but sony is a reasonably obvious convert and nintendo can't really go back on their best-selling anything ever, so they'll likely stay with motion control. I can see MS going either way, selling the normal controllers to keep traditional stubborn gamers how they want to play or going with motion controls to enable them to make more off of cross-platform games.

I hope not. So far, only PES for the Wii has managed to add depth to the game using the motion sensor as opposed to making it a much simpler game. I never thought this would be possible to be honest.

I hope not. So far, only PES for the Wii has managed to add depth to the game using the motion sensor as opposed to making it a much simpler game. I never thought this would be possible to be honest.PES?

also, yeah, but I'm hoping that devs figure out how to make good games with motion controls after fiddling around a bit with it. the control is there and it's accurate enough to make at least SOME interesting games, just devs so far are crap about it.

edit: and this fact is both a for and against argument for the motion controls. adding to my indecision regarding MS's most likely move.

PES?

Pro Evolution Soccer.

Apparently, you can make your own tactics WHILE the match's running, using the wiimote, and making very accurate shots and that. I don't have the game, but that's what I think there was. And more stuff that I'm not aware, apparently.

Yes, motion sensors on a football game apparently has the potential (and is already factual) to improve the depth of the game, add complexity to the things you can do offering overall a better playability.

That's a step forward. However I'm still against have no alternatives to motion sensors, until I'm proven wrong, I don't see how it wouldn't make games like Metal Gear or Final Fantasy worser or simpler.

That's a step forward. However I'm still against have no alternatives to motion sensors, until I'm proven wrong, I don't see how it wouldn't make games like Metal Gear or Final Fantasy worser or simpler. yeah, and the sooner that devs realize that the better. some games just don't need motion control. those are 2 good examples. that's why I like the wii remote. you get the classic, the nunchuck, etc for control options for games that just don't need motion control. sony's going the right direction with a controller that splits from the normal controller to the motion one.

About the "Sony is RIPPING OFF WII OMG" thing, some of you may be interested to know that a motion controller idea was drawn up by Sony a while back in, I think, 2004.

Nintendo got hold of that idea, and...

About the "Sony is RIPPING OFF WII OMG" thing, some of you may be interested to know that a motion controller idea was drawn up by Sony a while back in, I think, 2004.

Nintendo got hold of that idea, and...

Yeah, that's why Sony developed it first, right? :p

About the "Sony is RIPPING OFF WII OMG" thing, some of you may be interested to know that a motion controller idea was drawn up by Sony a while back in, I think, 2004.

Nintendo got hold of that idea, and...that fact is made irrelevant by the fact that sony dropped the idea, nintendo picked it up and then sony immediately went back and thought "hey! they're doing it! let's go do it too!"

besides. no one was really saying that sony was copying nintendo, were they?

besides. no one was really saying that sony was copying nintendo, were they?
Actually, that's what the first post on this topic said.

And that was a mere 1432 posts ago! :rolleyes:

Actually, that's what the first post on this topic said.

LET'S START OFF THE THREAD WITH...
Oh my god did you hear about the what with the thing and the WOOOOAAAH!

I did not realize that Sony copying Nintendo was a what with a thing, and I had no idea a WOOOOAAAH was involved, but I suppose that I'll take your word for it.

I do realize what you actually meant. :p

New Sonic Unleashed gameplay video (http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14242719/sonic-unleashed/videos/sonic_unleased_trailer_061608.html)

This actually looks playable. Is it... is it worth getting my hopes up for? Will they not terribly screw this up? Guys? :(

Saw that the other day. It does look good! But I also thought that about almost all new Sonic games so I'm trying not to get my hopes up.

It looks nice, some parts a bit automatic, though, but the rest... the rest looks fantastic (FREE FAAAAALL!).

WOAH! That SU video looks IMPRESSIVE! :eek:
I only hope that this game doesn't fail like the rubbish 360/PS3 StH, as this was one of the most anticipated games before it came out only to find that it sucks.
The mix of 2D and 3D looks interesting.

I'm guessing the graphics wouldn't look as impressive on the Wii version.

I'm sceptical. It looks good, but it you watch it again you'll notice that a lot of it is just more of that automatic-play stuff that you have in just about every first level of the Sonic games, and is very different from the other levels.
Also, those "press a button now" moments don't say 'this is a good game' to me. Most of the time they're used to cover up a lack of proper gameplay.

I like the way they've seemingly implemented a 2-D side-scrolling element to it though. People seem to think that is a bad thing, but I think it could work well.

I don't really care anymore if it's just on-rails-go-forward-to-win-quick-reaction-movement-whatever, it's still tons better than all the recent stuff they've put out.

Of course given they're not revealing one single bit about the plot, his friends or the werewolfness, I imagine those are rubbish as usual.

Um...
After the first trailer for that, I was hoping that they were just holding out on showing some non-running segments in order to focus on the fast stuff, but that longer trailer makes it look like that's... it.

Is the game going to be nothing but a movie of Sonic running really fast everywhere, occasionally making you press a button to give the illusion of control?


Sheeze lawheeze, the original games were platformers, not adrenaline-pumping racers. Everyone, even the fans, seems to forget this.
The main reason the recent games are so crappy is because the platforming is bad, enemies provide no challenge unless they're unbearably cheap, the story takes itself far too seriously for a game that's about talking animals searching for gems, and worst of all, the levels are unmemorable and boring.

The levels in the original Sonic games were huge (I can't believe the number of branching paths in Marble Gardens), yet they still provide a player with unique experiences throughout. The levels didn't make you go through the same mechanic more than once or twice before putting a new twist on it. It was constantly challenging the player. "Here's a rolling spiked ball! Here's a rolling spiked ball and a big orange crushing platform that we introduced earlier in the level!"

The new games make the player do the same damn thing not only throughout a level, but throughout the game. "Here's a rail! Here's another rail! Here's a level that's nothing but rails!"


He's fast enough for christ's sake. Please focus on everything else.

Oh geez, it's 1 AM and I'm ranting again. It's been a while. :p

Um...
After the first trailer for that, I was hoping that they were just holding out on showing some non-running segments in order to focus on the fast stuff, but that longer trailer makes it look like that's... it.

Is the game going to be nothing but a movie of Sonic running really fast everywhere, occasionally making you press a button to give the illusion of control?


Sheeze lawheeze, the original games were platformers, not adrenaline-pumping racers. Everyone, even the fans, seems to forget this.
The main reason the recent games are so crappy is because the platforming is bad, enemies provide no challenge unless they're unbearably cheap, the story takes itself far too seriously for a game that's about talking animals searching for gems, and worst of all, the levels are unmemorable and boring.

The levels in the original Sonic games were huge (I can't believe the number of branching paths in Marble Gardens), yet they still provide a player with unique experiences throughout. The levels didn't make you go through the same mechanic more than once or twice before putting a new twist on it. It was constantly challenging the player. "Here's a rolling spiked ball! Here's a rolling spiked ball and a big orange crushing platform that we introduced earlier in the level!"

The new games make the player do the same damn thing not only throughout a level, but throughout the game. "Here's a rail! Here's another rail! Here's a level that's nothing but rails!"


He's fast enough for christ's sake. Please focus on everything else.

Oh geez, it's 1 AM and I'm ranting again. It's been a while. :p

I know what you mean. This constant drive to make the games absurdly fast gets on my nerves. The faster I'm going, the harder it is to see what's coming up. The Mega Drive games (and the first Sonic Advance too, although that may have gone too far the other way) understood this and tried to provide balance between the sections where you could run as fast as you liked and more normal platforming. The thing about having him going fast all the time is that there's no middle ground: everything either tends to be "I could do this in my sleep" or "Holy cow, bottomless pits everywhere".

There are one or two pleasant exceptions to this: the Huge Crisis level from Sonic Rush controls this balance pretty well, providing a constant level of threat and pressure without descending into frustration (even then, it relies on the rather unnatural concept of the "enemy room" to break play down into speed and non-speed. The old games didn't have to do that, mumble grumble).

In the original sonic games, whilst there were some small sections where you could for example, hold the right button, these were very short and would usually be disrupted by spikes or badniks that would come and **** you in your face no matter what speed you were running at. Keeping you on your toes. This trailer here makes it seem that if you run fast enough you can take out enemies just by running at them. If it is as Pigbuster suggested entirely speed based then surely that would render any enemies entirely obsolete? In the sense that you can simply batter them out the way by running, really, really fast.


The levels in the original Sonic games were huge

They were it's true. Every 3D sonic game level I've played has only had one path, giving me no reason to play through again. Not only that but these single paths were frightfully dull. It was simply run. jump run, run, run, jump, jump on someone's head, jump, run, run.To be quite honest I don't think I'm ever going to like the 3-D Sonic games because they don't have the charm or the originality of the originals.

ALSO, they've introduced a ridiculous amount of new characters. Cream, Big The Cat, Silver, that bird thing from Sonic Riders, Blaze The Cat. I really don't like that. They should have stuck with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Eggman in my opinion.

...and Cream can go die.

I know what you mean. This constant drive to make the games absurdly fast gets on my nerves. The faster I'm going, the harder it is to see what's coming up. The Mega Drive games (and the first Sonic Advance too, although that may have gone too far the other way) understood this and tried to provide balance between the sections where you could run as fast as you liked and more normal platforming. The thing about having him going fast all the time is that there's no middle ground: everything either tends to be "I could do this in my sleep" or "Holy cow, bottomless pits everywhere".
I thought Sonic Heroes was good for this kind of balance, actually. With the exception of the casino pinball tables and the canyon rails.

In the original sonic games, whilst there were some small sections where you could for example, hold the right button, these were very short and would usually be disrupted by spikes or badniks that would come and **** you in your face no matter what speed you were running at. Keeping you on your toes. This trailer here makes it seem that if you run fast enough you can take out enemies just by running at them. If it is as Pigbuster suggested entirely speed based then surely that would render any enemies entirely obsolete? In the sense that you can simply batter them out the way by running, really, really fast.I think it's supposed to be some kind of Boost attack like in Sonic Rush, which lets you bash things out of your way for a bit.

And the stuff shown in the trailer seems to have multiple paths and react-quick-or-you-get-spiked so.

I really enjoyed the boss battles in Sonic Rush I thought the side scrolling 3D thing worked well and I like that idea a lot more than the fully 3D ones in recent Sonic games.

Also I liked Sonic Rush as a whole. The boost thing was cool and the way you had to do tricks in the air to get your boost back was, well interesting anyway. So If they've got that in Sonic Unleashed then I'm hoping that'll be a really good thing.

From that trailer it does look really good. I'm getting my hopes up once more and I hope that Sega don't destroy them again. :(

Whoa, finally a new age sonic game where he can actually run FAST.

I have to say, looks smexy.

ALSO, they've introduced a ridiculous amount of new characters. Cream, Big The Cat, Silver, that bird thing from Sonic Riders, Blaze The Cat. I really don't like that. They should have stuck with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Eggman in my opinion.
There's no way they'd be able to have more modern games without interesting characters! A change in times meant that games generally needed a proper story and character interactions to be good, and just having four guys wouldn't work.
Case in point: there were a lot of complaints in Sonic Heroes about Team Sonic's story and characters not having substance. Including some from Paul.

Whoa, finally a new age sonic game where he can actually run FAST.
*facepalm*

There's no way they'd be able to have more modern games without interesting characters! A change in times meant that games generally needed a proper story and character interactions to be good, and just having four guys wouldn't work.
Case in point: there were a lot of complaints in Sonic Heroes about Team Sonic's story and characters not having substance. Including some from Paul.


You can't say that in order to make modern games they need more characters. Yes they need interesting characters, but as far as I'm concerned none of the new characters are interesting. They should spend more time developing the characters they've got rather than thinking "Right sod Sonic, Knuckles etc, I've grown tired of them and they don't have much of a personaility. Let's just make a new EXTREME character like Shadow and Memphiles" or whatever his name is.

Silver is a very good example. He's not interesting and doesn't have a personality at all. Apparently "Although seemingly serious in nature, an interview states that Silver is somewhat immature. During cutscenes in Sonic the Hedgehog Blaze mentions that Silver is naïve several times, and also states that "He gets insecure when he's alone"" So he's seemingly serious, yet immature and insecure? Wonderful.

On contrast we have Sonic the extreme hero, Tails the young, somewhat dopey, friendly sidekick, Knuckles the hot headed, muscular guy and the villain Eggman.

On contrast we have Sonic the extreme hero, Tails the young, somewhat dopey, friendly sidekick, Knuckles the hot headed, muscular guy and the villain Eggman.

Don't forget Amy, the annoying fangirl :p

There's no way they'd be able to have more modern games without interesting characters! A change in times meant that games generally needed a proper story and character interactions to be good, and just having four guys wouldn't work.
Case in point: there were a lot of complaints in Sonic Heroes about Team Sonic's story and characters not having substance. Including some from Paul.Sadly none of the new characters are any more interesting than the old, if anything they're even more gimmicky! Shadow is Snake, Mephiles is Liquid, Silver is PHYSICS ENGINE, Blaze is FROM THE FUTURE, Tails is a kid, Knuckles is a patsy, Sonic is EXTREME, Cream is a new dansel in distress, Amy is a schoolgirl, Big is Homer, etc.

Well, I agree that a lot has been taken away from the Sonic genre. I do miss the days of my Megadrive.

Also, I wish they'd used the lock on cartridge thing they did with S&K more often, or had developed it. Plugging an old game into a new one to use a character from the new one in the old one rocked solid awesomes.

Speaking of Cream, fun fact:
http://info.sonicretro.org/images/thumb/f/f8/Advance3_cream.png/110px-Advance3_cream.png
Her ears are backwards.

They're also always floppy. And aerodynamic. It's Sonicverse for crying out loud.

Don't forget Amy, the annoying fangirl :p

And Shadow the emo ;)

What about them completely ripping off the Wii? (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-working-on-break-apart-motion-ps3-pad)

What about the Wii completely ripping off the Sega Saturns Rod?

What about the Wii completely ripping off the Sega Saturns Rod?
Google: No results for "Sega Saturn rod".
You're going to have to explain what it is to us.

Google: No results for "Sega Saturn rod".
You're going to have to explain what it is to us.

My bad, it was the dreamcast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POLP7mkSCAs

...that's a simple angle-detecting Gyro control, those have been around for ages. I hardly consider the Wii to be ripping off that more than the Xbox is ripping off Atari for including buttons on their controllers.

And Shadow the emo ;)

MY IGNORANCE ALERT IS GOING OFF! *appears*

Emo's not "Oh, I'm going to go cut my self, my mum wouldn't get me a new iPod"
*points to Jawbreaker, a badass emo band*

*flies away*

Emo's not "Oh, I'm going to go cut my self, my mum wouldn't get me a new iPod"yes it is. whether that's how YOU define it and whether or not there's a group who define it differently that IS what emo is. it's widely accepted to be so.

if you're somewhat like emo just less pathetic and such that makes you either goth or punk. if you're not happy with either of those then figure something else out to call yourselves. emo has already been claimed by the likes of simple plan *cringes at having to utter the name*

yes it is. whether that's how YOU define it and whether or not there's a group who define it differently that IS what emo is. it's widely accepted to be so.

if you're somewhat like emo just less pathetic and such that makes you either goth or punk. if you're not happy with either of those then figure something else out to call yourselves. emo has already been claimed by the likes of simple plan *cringes at having to utter the name*

Christ that's wrong :p

Emo = music scene that evolved out of hardcore punk in the 80s, originating in DC.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a5anwOSCuNc - THAT is emo.

You have to remember, the majority are idiots. They give new things labels, despite being almost entirely unrelated to what the genre originally was.

Another example, to a lesser extent, would be glam. Loads of people think glam is stuff like Motley Crue and bollocks, when it's not. Glam is stuff like Slade and T-Rex.

Anyway, to drag this back on topic -

http://inputgame.com/images/stories/360/games/B/banjo_kazooie/cover/banjo_kazooie_box.jpg

Looks damned sexy

Well the fact is that is what is commonly associated with emos today. At the end of the 1990s, the underground emo scene had almost entirely disappeared. However, the term emo was still being bandied about in mainstream media.

The general understanding of what an emo is now, is much different to what it use to be.

Looks damned sexy

It would, its the box art :p

It would, its the box art :p

it still looks great; in-game shot:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Bktightrope.jpg

Christ that's wrong :p

Emo = music scene that evolved out of hardcore punk in the 80s, originating in DC.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a5anwOSCuNc - THAT is emo.

You have to remember, the majority are idiots. They give new things labels, despite being almost entirely unrelated to what the genre originally was.entirely irrelevant. a word doesn't mean something just because of what it originally meant. the term "gank" in an MMORPG was a combination of the words Gang and Kill. to "gank" meant that you took a large group of people to kill a small group of other people or a single person. what it means NOW is to kill someone in an unfair manner using cheap tricks of some variety.

I don't CARE what emo used to mean. it's irrelevant now. emo now means people who go around wearing black make up and black clothes cutting themselves and acting like the world is the most depressing thing ever. that is what an emo is now. it's common knowledge. you can argue about what it USED to be all you want, but that's not how it is anymore. if you disagree, you're wrong. it's that simple. if you don't believe me, then google it, go to wikipedia, or find any other method of searching for the meaning of the term.

also, I absolutely hate everyone who owns an xbox 360 for being able ot play banjo kazooie....I sincerely hope it sucks rabid goat balls :p

emo is short for emotional, simple as. It's also a muppet, I think.

Anyway, to drag this back on topic -

[insert banjo-kazooie image here]

Looks damned sexy

It does. Too bad it's not for the Wii =/
Oh! You drive vehicles in the game now, not very Banjo-Kazooie-ish IMO, but that might just be me.
Kazooie looks like a female in the box art too =S (I know it is indeed a female, but the personality of it is erm.. different)

Kazooie looks like a female in the box art too =S (I know it is indeed a female, but the personality of it is erm.. different)
It looks a whole lot more cartoonish. In the original games, she looked more like a regular bird with a humanish personality, while in this one she's got a really long twig neck, a humanoid face, and four long feathers on her head that makes the rest of her look bald.

Sorry if you've all already seen this but: Meet the Sniper! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QCqR4QovMM)

Sorry if you've all already seen this but: Meet the Sniper! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QCqR4QovMM)

Bewm, hedshort.

Getting the new Metal Gear and GTA, that will do until Christmas.

Sorry if you've all already seen this but: Meet the Sniper! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QCqR4QovMM)

Best of the vids yet, imo. But why did someone put it on youtube? The Steam version will be much higher quality.

Best of the vids yet, imo. But why did someone put it on youtube? The Steam version will be much higher quality.

Youtube is faster, easier. And faster. Did I mention faster?
Works great for folks like me who care more about video content than quality. And wants to watch videos instead of having to try finding something else to do while my video is downloading.

Meh, fair enough. You'll miss out on a lot of the little details though.

Sorry if you've all already seen this but: Meet the Sniper! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QCqR4QovMM)

I've watched it a few times and it's genius.

I'm not Spanish, but: ALEX! You have to check these videos out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r83TMtaHvlM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYg9U90Jn_E

This means for Super Smash Bros. Brawl fans, that each of the 5 languages on PAL, will be included, both text and SPEACH!

Can anyone tell if it sounds fake?

EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1PenJltQfE

English, Spanish, German, French and Italian Pokemon trainer

I'm not Spanish, but: ALEX! You have to check these videos out:

... D:

Oh... my... god... Pokemon Trainer... god... no...

I think I'm playing in english. Unless the others can compensate...

the english and french versions of pokemon trainer aren't bad but the others make my ears bleed in anger...

OMG! I think I'm going to die from ear explosions.

The English one is terrible!

Sonic unleashed......

If anyone has played Sonic Rivals, it will play exactly like that, for example in that game, there's the 3D mode and 2D mode.

Trailer looks good, but before snapping it up i think i'll check reviews first, due to the fact that most of the 3D games have been boring, when i got sonic heroes, that was the biggest mistake.... ever.

The English one is terrible!

The spanish one is... just... it's... people must die for that atrocity, that's all.

The spanish one is... just... it's... people must die for that atrocity, that's all.

I'll get the chainsaws.

What's the word on the Wolfenstein in production?
Is it going to come out, or is it trying to end up like Duke Nukem forever?

DIABLO THREE CONFIRMED GUYS (http://www.blizzard.com/us/splash.html)

Not a fake this time.

DIABLO THREE CONFIRMED GUYS (http://www.blizzard.com/us/splash.html)

Not a fake this time.

Hell YES! I loved the heck out of Diablo II, I am stoked to see how this one turns out. :D

Also, Brawl released in Europe.



I'd be a lot more enthusiastic if I had money to spare. But I don't, if I want to go to Canada next month...

Why does Banjo have a dick in the middle of his forehead? (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=657375&postcount=1463)

Why does Banjo have a dick in the middle of his forehead? (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=657375&postcount=1463)
If that looks anything like yours does, I'd go see a doctor pretty fast.

DIABLO THREE CONFIRMED GUYS (http://www.blizzard.com/us/splash.html)

Not a fake this time.

I know they say "don't shoot the messenger" and stuff, but... I LOVE YOU MAN. :D

edit: Man, with Diablo III and Starcraft II things are gonna feel a lot more oldskool for me. I used to play Diablo II and Starcraft a lot around the same time. :D

Well, it is not his right ear because it is not on the right side of his head and it is angled towards the camera rather then to the side of his head.

Well, it is not his right ear because it is not on the right side of his head and it is angled towards the camera rather then to the side of his head.

...it's his hair you eejit.

pretty solid piece of hair.

edit: Man, with Diablo III and Starcraft II things are gonna feel a lot more oldskool for me. I used to play Diablo II and Starcraft a lot around the same time. :D

Me too, god dang, i loved them gaems.

pretty solid piece of hair.it's a cartoon. have you ever even HEARD of the movie madagascar?!

FINALLY got brawl.

Friend code here, tell me if you added me, so I can add you.

1461-7715-4465

I also finally got Brawl, also woo! I had some money to spare.


Say, what does that "can't read the disc" error message mean?....

Edit: Nevermind, it fixed itself. I love it when reality decides to do that.

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/6703/sonicunleashedrb2.jpg

D:


I love how they continue to put Sonic's mouth on his cheek even when being viewed head-on. :p