In terms of games that are worth spending your cash on: Recettear.
Indie game, on Steam (but not exclusively to), €13.50 [Euro Zone 1]
For a short description: it's half shop-sim and half Action RPG, and very very fun!
For a longer description, you should probably try this thread:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3329392

There's a demo on Steam, and I'd highly recommend checking it out:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/70400/
http://www.carpefulgur.com/recettear/Recettear_Demo.exe (non-Steam download)

Judging by all the perks it really is just looking like MW2 with the stupid stuff taken out, with a light garnish of WaW on top.

And that's good, there's nothing wrong with that. Its not an excuse not for buying it either.

The gameplay looks fantastically awesome, and the new types of red dots and acog's are sexy! =P why wouldn't you be excited for it. Everyone I know in real life is mostly getting this from day one.

In terms of games that are worth spending your cash on

I can't wait to see you eat your words from November 9th

And that's good, there's nothing wrong with that. Its not an excuse not for buying it either.
Yes it is. Considering I have both MW2 and WaW. I'd be essentially paying for something I've already got plus a few extra things.
The gameplay looks fantastically awesome, and the new types of red dots and acog's are sexy! =P why wouldn't you be excited for it.
Because the gameplay looks almost identical to that which came before it.
Everyone I know in real life is mostly getting this from day one.
Same here, but I've learnt to think for myself. It may well be the best CoD yet but that's simply because they took out all the things that made MW2 stupid. They've not really added anything of substance to make it stand out.

Yes it is. Considering I have both MW2 and WaW. I'd be essentially paying for something I've already got plus a few extra things.

But most of the stuff is new. Maps aren't ripped from any of those games, and although some killstreaks will see a return, there's only about 5 weapons that we know from the other CoD game, there's a crapload of customisation and some very fun and creative modes. Also some great looking equipment such as the Tomahawk, and ballistic knife, I would say that stuff has been mixed in, but still, most of the stuff is new.

Because the gameplay looks almost identical to that which came before it.

Well, yeah... but if they change the gameplay a lot they risk losing fans... one thing I don't think we'll see much is camping.

With scavenger in MW2, there was campers round every corner, thanks to the perk that replenished ammo, and equipment. Now it just replenishes grenades.

They've not really added anything of substance to make it stand out.

We don't know for sure. I personally thing the new currency thing has really made it stand out from the rest, but there's still more of zombies and the campaign we should find out.

The Multiplayer was dull and repetitive I found.well not the game for you, then. did you find MW2 any better?

Yeah. Juggernaut and Martyrdom were awesome! :rolleyes:both were mildly annoying at absolute best. juggernaut wasn't THAT much harder to take down, and martyr was easy enough ot avoid most of the time. yes, I hated both of those perks, but really? every game has something everyone hates. Like Natascha on TF2!

Another thing that was kind of annoying on CoD 4 was the three frag perk you eventually unlock, apart from that and juggernaut and martyrdom, it was good.

Another thing that was kind of annoying on CoD 4 was the three frag perk you eventually unlock, apart from that and juggernaut and martyrdom, it was good.why was having 3 extra frags annoying? I'm sure it boosted some kills, but I never even noticed if an opponent was using it. that's hardly annoying.

BAD BOX ART MEGA MAN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3rkb-zifUQ) :cool:

why was having 3 extra frags annoying? I'm sure it boosted some kills, but I never even noticed if an opponent was using it. that's hardly annoying.

Must be the opposite on xbox then.

The ammount of times I've ran out of spawn to be hit by loads of frags :mad:

DUKE NUKEM FOREVER WILL ACTUALLY BE RELEASED! (http://blog.pikimal.com/geek/2010/09/03/piki-at-pax-the-duke-he-has-returned/)

Always bet on Duke. :cool:

BAD BOX ART MEGA MAN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3rkb-zifUQ) :cool:
The only thing more brilliant than that is realising the guy talking is actually 45.

Also, $10 says that half the playable characters won't be from the Megaman universe. Considering that another video does show the guy from Ghosts and Goblins (at least, I assume its him).

Must be the opposite on xbox then.

The ammount of times I've ran out of spawn to be hit by loads of frags :mad:once again, your punishment for playing games on the 360 :p

What. The. Hell. (http://kotaku.com/5629655/your-first-look-at-duke-nukem-forever-in-action) Why does it actually exist?! why?!

What. The. Hell. (http://kotaku.com/5629655/your-first-look-at-duke-nukem-forever-in-action) Why does it actually exist?! why?!
Hahaha!
Those leather-clad fists look ridiculous while running.

Remember all those things you promised to do when DNF was released?

Yeah, you're f*****.

Remember all those things you promised to do when DNF was released?

Yeah, you're f*****.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

Anyway, it looks RAD and I'm buying it day one for sure.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

Anyway, it looks RAD and I'm buying it day one for sure.just don't pre-order.

I've got balls of steeeeeeeeeeeel!

Duke Nukem Forever is being developed by Gearbox.

Stephen Merchant is in Portal 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjaWiXWP0rs)?!
:D:D:D

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

Anyway, it looks RAD and I'm buying it day one for sure.

Looks like Unreal Tournament 4 with a monster mod from the original Unreal Tournament. Gearbox have 1 year to make the single player and multiplayer maps, I doubt thats enough time for a decent experience in both.

Looks like Unreal Tournament 4 with a monster mod from the original Unreal Tournament. Gearbox have 1 year to make the single player and multiplayer maps, I doubt thats enough time for a decent experience in both.assuming this is actually real and not some elaborate joke, all the elements of the game have been in development for 12 years. gearbox has one year to polish them into modern graphics. that's not that tall an order.

If DNF was so poorly managed that it wasn't released despite 12 years development then I can't imagine what little was developed is well enough written to be of use to anyone.

l love how "Duke Nukem Forever" and "Did Not Finish" have the same abbreviation. lf you don't play racing games, then you probably don't see the 2nd one too often. So how many companies DNF working on DNF?

I don't care about the game or how good or bad it might be. I'm buying the collecter's edition day one because I promised myself 12 years ago to ALWAYS BET ON DUKE. :cool:

BAD BOX ART MEGA MAN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3rkb-zifUQ) :cool:

Lawl, :cool:

I don't care about the game or how good or bad it might be. I'm buying the collecter's edition day one because I promised myself 12 years ago to ALWAYS BET ON DUKE. :cool:
When you were 5 years old? :p

When you were 5 years old? :p

Proving that its such an easy descison, even a five year old knows its right. Or maybe he didn't know any better, either way, he made the right choice!

http://edfia.com/

EDF! EDF! EDF!

http://edfia.com/

EDF! EDF! EDF!um.....wut?

um.....wut?
Third-Person shooter, fourth in a series, (most likely) console only. They're usually regarded as very good low-budget games. I... suppose it would work as a good XBLA game? I'm not really sure what Philby is hyped about.

http://edfia.com/

EDF! EDF! EDF!

:eek:

What plaftorm is it for?

The EDF series is lie the standard bearer of awesome budget games, and do I really need a reason to be hyped beyond a game I like getting a sequel?

So apparently, even a calculator can hack the PS3 now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOSpCoCmOns


:P

assuming this is actually real and not some elaborate joke, all the elements of the game have been in development for 12 years. gearbox has one year to polish them into modern graphics. that's not that tall an order.

Considering they've only shown a Console version of the game, I have low hopes of a decent PC port coming.

Considering they've only shown a Console version of the game, I have low hopes of a decent PC port coming.....has any company EVER shown off the PC version of a multi-platform game? it's easier to set up a hundred consoles to play for this sort of thing.

Considering they've only shown a Console version of the game, I have low hopes of a decent PC port coming.Actually the DNF at PAX was the PC version but with controllers, because as Aku said, they are much easier to setup on a convention than mouse/keyboard. Also DNF was always developed as a PC game, if anything Gearbox has to *console port* it, not the other way around.

The EDF series is lie the standard bearer of awesome budget games, and do I really need a reason to be hyped beyond a game I like getting a sequel?OH GOD THAT IS EDF?! I just saw a picture! I remember that! I missed it the first time around, but it was the physical incarnation of everything awesome based on its gameplay videos!

Man, I've been so busy latley, that I only just finished Starcraft 2 campaign on hard. I started on hard a week or so after release, and it was my first playthrough. I kinda screwed myself over with the final mission though. Not sure how long I sat with that unfinished, probably 3 weeks. Anyone here do it on brutal?

Actually the DNF at PAX was the PC version but with controllers, because as Aku said, they are much easier to setup on a convention than mouse/keyboard. Also DNF was always developed as a PC game, if anything Gearbox has to *console port* it, not the other way around.

Ah okay, that redeems some hope for it but not much because the footage still depicts it as Unreal Tournament 2004 trash.

http://www.indiegames.com/blog/2010/09/trailer_bastion_supergiant_gam.html

I saw this on kotau, but of course the video at the end of the post featured two idiots talking over the feature they where raving about in the first place.

That feature being DYNAMIC REALTIME GRAVELY-OLD-MAN NARATION.

http://www.indiegames.com/blog/2010/09/trailer_bastion_supergiant_gam.html

I saw this on kotau, but of course the video at the end of the post featured two idiots talking over the feature they where raving about in the first place.

That feature being DYNAMIC REALTIME GRAVELY-OLD-MAN NARATION.the game looks fairly interesting, but that dynamic old man voice is going to get REEEEEAL irritating REEEEEEAL quick.

Reach got a 10 from IGN! in the UK anyway. US gave it 9.5

I'll probably pick it up at Christmas. In other words I finally got Forza Motorsport 3, which is great, loving it so far.

Say, I haven't really been keeping track of what is in Reach. At all. Someone mind briefly filling me in?

Yeah. Check IGN.

Say, I haven't really been keeping track of what is in Reach. At all. Someone mind briefly filling me in?Tribes.

they put master chief into it.

Jetpacks, apparently.

Which left a guy I was talking to yesterday wondering "why are there jetpacks in the prequel, and why aren't they in the chronologically later games?"

My answer: "Maybe they found out that jetpacks give you cancer"

Tribes.

they put master chief into it.

Shazbot!

Shame there are no Spinfuzors.

Jetpacks, apparently.

Which left a guy I was talking to yesterday wondering "why are there jetpacks in the prequel, and why aren't they in the chronologically later games?"

My answer: "Maybe they found out that jetpacks give you cancer"it was SPARTAN ONLY! and when they all died, the technology was somehow lost due to bad record keeping. and Master Chief was an idiot and lost his. totally makes sense.

also this: http://kotaku.com/5636565/the-hook-brings-you-back-to-littlebigplanet-2

also this: http://kotaku.com/5636565/the-hook-brings-you-back-to-littlebigplanet-2
Aww, crap!
For a second I misread that for "Little Big Adventure 2".
:(:(:(

Aww, crap!
For a second I misread that for "Little Big Adventure 2".
:(:(:(

You are aware that is a game that does exist, right?

You are aware that is a game that does exist, right?
Of course!
And it was a damn fine game.
I thought that maybe it got re-released or some HD remake. That's why I went "awww".

Speaking of HD remakes, Ico and SotC officially confirmed. :cool::cool::cool::cool:

Speaking of HD remakes, Ico and SotC officially confirmed. :cool::cool::cool::cool:and the lord spake: let there be awesome. and it was good.

http://kotaku.com/5638588/new-devil-may-crys-debut-trailer

I apologise to all Devil may cry fans for posting this.

SERIOUSLY WHAT THE ****

Speaking of HD remakes, Ico and SotC officially confirmed. :cool::cool::cool::cool:
Yes.


Only not.

In related matters, I believe Squirminator would very much like to hear about what site you get your gaming news from.

I couldn't find the trailer anywhere else. :(

EDIT: Actually it's because I'm too lazy

Kotaku are terrible but they're also pretty convenient.

It's best to try not to read too many of the words.

Yes.


Only not.

Except, yes. It's in the latest issue of Famitsu.

Except, yes. It's in the latest issue of Famitsu.
Famitsu talked about a rerelease of the games for the PS3, not a remake. Some sites, being... games journalism sites... either mixed them up or just copied the news from other sites without doing the slightest bit of research first. Hence the Squirminator reference.

Famitsu talked about a rerelease of the games for the PS3, not a remake. Some sites, being... games journalism sites... either mixed them up or just copied the news from other sites without doing the slightest bit of research first. Hence the Squirminator reference.

OF COURSE IT'S NOT A FULL REMAKE YOU... GAAAh... do you have to be such an idiot? Everybody, EVERYBODY, except you apparently, understood that as "it's getting the GoW Collection threatment", i.e. re-release with very minor improvements, with support for a higher resolution... Even if "remake" is not the best word for it, you'd have to be an idiot to assume anyone is claiming this to be a full-fledged remake.

OF COURSE IT'S NOT A FULL REMAKE YOU... GAAAh... do you have to be such an idiot? Everybody, EVERYBODY, except you apparently, understood that as "it's getting the GoW Collection threatment", i.e. re-release with very minor improvements, with support for a higher resolution... Even if "remake" is not the best word for it, you'd have to be an idiot to assume anyone is claiming this to be a full-fledged remake.

Really?
That... that's it?
Okay, yes, you're going to have to forgive me for apparently being the only person in existence who thought a "remake" referred to a remake, and not a re-release. That is in no shape or form a remake. Clearly this is the fault of my complete lack of intelligence more than anything else.

Really?
That... that's it?
Okay, yes, you're going to have to forgive me for apparently being the only person in existence who thought a "remake" referred to a remake, and not a re-release. That is in no shape or form a remake. Clearly this is the fault of my complete lack of intelligence more than anything else.
If the visuals are updated, even just slightly as was the case with the GoW collection, it can still classify as a remake. In any case, the fact that you jumped to an incredibly unreasonable conclusion due to the dubious use of a word that might or might not have been the most appropriate term is idiotic. People can, sometimes, fail to use the correct word to describe something, but you should still be able to tell what the person was actually trying to convey with just a tiny little bit of reasoning. Was it really beyond you to realize that perhaps it was just a simple case of the wrong word being used rather than flatout assume it was a lie propagated by the ignorant media?

The Last Guardian until holiday next year. T_T

edit: Well, that's their target, even...

Also, Ico and SotC re-releases will be playable in stereoscopic 3d. :O

Pokemon Gen5 came out today.

I assume I'm the only one who cares, right?


Also, might I add, I am a sheer god at predictions?

If the visuals are updated, even just slightly as was the case with the GoW collection, it can still classify as a remake.
I know I'm likely being horribly pedantic here, but I just refuse to accept that one! In the same vein that I'd never say Star Wars Episode 4 has been remade several times, I'd never consider this sort of thing to be a remake either!
And yes, I'm aware that it does mean this confusion is all my fault then, but still.

People can, sometimes, fail to use the correct word to describe something, but you should still be able to tell what the person was actually trying to convey with just a tiny little bit of reasoning. Was it really beyond you to realize that perhaps it was just a simple case of the wrong word being used?
Pretty much! It's not like the articles/posts I read were in-depth interviews or anything, they were just... small articles saying there would be remakes. I don't know how you expect me to find a different meaning in that!

Also, Ico and SotC re-releases will be playable in stereoscopic 3d. :O
Okay now THAT I want to see!

LOADS OF SPOILERS!!!!


LOL


➣ No open beta, only an internal closed beta
➣ Only 50 player levels (rank)
➣ JD says "It takes about as long to get to 50 as it took to get to 65 in WaW"
➣ Confirmed prestige mode
➣ There are more than 5 prestiges confirmed1
➣ Some snipers have selectable zoom
➣ Akimbo is back
➣ A few small semi automatics
➣ Scorpion is back
➣ M14 is back
➣ Famas is fully auto
➣ M16 is 3 round burst
➣ M16 is a starting weapon
➣ Infrared Scopes on assault rifles
➣ Shotguns have fair range
➣ Shotguns are now primaries
➣ Scoreboard shows k/d ratio
➣ Game winning kill now called Final Killcam
➣ Purple heart death icon returns from COD: WaW
➣ When you sprint to prone you do a dive move
➣ You can still dropshot
➣ Unranked servers allow full customization (PC)
➣ Ranked servers allow map customization (PC)
➣ Servers are from gameservers.com (PC)
➣ Will be DRM'd via Steam. Mainly done for VAC's Anti Cheat
➣ Beta not confirmed nor denied. Not allowed to talk about a beta
➣ Launcher attachments to exists. Not on all weapons
➣ No red dot snipers
➣ Rank up and unlock weapons or purchase weapons early with CP
➣ Killcam is called Nemesis Killcam
➣ XP Bar is shown when you press Start
➣ Maps when using killstreaks and when pressing start are broken up into quadrants. ie. A1, A2. C3
➣ Accolades are replaced with Awards
➣ Shows your top weapon and how many kills you got with it
➣ Party Privacy / Search Preferences
➣ Press Y to view friends list
➣ Normal challenges still exist

Maps:
➣ Map specific challenges. Such as finding a shortcut in a map
➣ Choice to vote for two maps or a random map
➣ Levels are snowy, urban, jungle
➣ Summit - A snowy mountain base
➣ Launch - The rocket map in the teaser trailer
➣ Radiation - An abandoned power station
➣ Cracked - A secluded town in shambles
➣ Slaughter House - Decimated urban area in Vietnam

Perks

➣ Deathstreaks are gone
➣ No commando, danger close, one many army, stopping power. or juggernaut
➣ Takes longer to kill (Was compared to that of Cod2)
➣ Pro Perks are back
➣ Bling returns as Warlord
➣ All players will be able to see your tier 1 perk

Tier 1 Perks:
➣ Lightweight - Move faster
➣ Scavenger - Resupply from dead bodies | Pro: Replenish lethal grenades
➣ Ghost - Undetectable by the Spy Plane and the Blackbird
➣ Flak Jacket - Extra explosive resistance
➣ Hardline - Killstreaks 1 kill early

Tier 2 Perks:
➣ Hardened - Extra bullet penetration
➣ Scout - Hold breath longer
➣ Steady Aim - Increased hip-fire accuracy
➣ Sleight of Hand - Faster Reload
➣ Warlord - Equip 2 attachments to your primary weapon

Tier 3 Perks:
➣ Marathon - Longer sprint
➣ Ninja - Silent Movement
➣ Second Chance - Pull out pistol before dying
➣ Hacker - Detect enemy equipment and explosives
➣ Tactical Mask - Reduces the effect of flash and concussion grenades

Killstreaks

➣ Killstreaks only go to 11
➣ Gunship is highest killstreak
➣ Dogs are back
➣ Killstreaks don't count towards other killstreaks
➣ Killstreaks seem more balanced
➣ RC car has no set time limit and is easy to control but leaves the player very vulnerable and can be destroyed easily
➣ SAM Turret can take out helicopters
➣ Carepackages drop special guns - Death Machine and Grim Reaper
➣ Death Machine is a minigun
➣ Grim Reaper is a guided rocket launcher
➣ 3 – Spy Plane - Shows enemies on minimap, can be shot down
➣ 3 – RC XD - Remote controlled car strapped with explosives
➣ 4 – Counter Spy Plane $1600 - Temporarily disables enemy mini-map
➣ 4 – Sam Turret $1600 - Airdrop a placeable SAM turret that destroys aircraft
➣ 5 – Care Package - Airdrop a random killstreak or ammo crate
➣ 5 – Napalm Strike - Airstrike that covers an area in napalm
➣ 6 – Sentry Gun $3200 - Airdrop a placeable sentry gun
➣ 6 – Mortar Team - Target three locations to bombard with Mortar Strikes
➣ 7 – Attack Helicopter - Call in a support helicopter
➣ 7 – Valkyrie Rockets $4000 - Launcher with remote controlled rockets
➣ 8 – BlackBird $4500 - Shows both enemy position and direction on the mini map. Can not be shot down.
➣ 8 – Rolling Thunder $4500 - Carpet bombing airstrike.
➣ 9 – Chopper Gunner $5000 - Be the gunner of an attack helicopter.
➣ 11 – Attack Dogs $6000 - Attack dogs that hunt the enemy down.
➣ 11 – Gunship $6000 - Pilot an Attack Helicopter.


Wages Game Modes

➣ Wage your COD Points
➣ Put your COD Points on the line and wager on matches
➣ Top 3 players earn COD Points, rest lose their COD Points
➣ One in the Chamber - Start with a pistol with only 1 bullet. Miss and have to rely on your knife. Kill to get another bullet. Only 3 lives.
➣ Gun Game - Same as the CS/Cod4/5/6 mod where you start with a knife and kill to be given a new weapon.
➣ Sharpshooter - All players start with a random weapon, after a certain amount of time everyone receives a new weapon
➣ Sticks & Stones - Crossbow, Ballistic Knife, and Tomahawk
➣ In some game modes the kill leader is shown as a glowing gold dot to other players
➣ Barebones is back
➣ Hardcore modes are back


Contracts

➣ Contracts are time limited challenges
➣ There are 3 categories - Mercenaries, Operations, and Specialist
➣ Each is attached to certain play styles and in-game achievements

Mercenary:
➣ SPAS Cruelty
➣ Twin Mags
➣ Lord of the SMG
➣ AK47u Ferocity
➣ AUG Ferocity
➣ Assault Rifle Prodigy
➣ Smells like...Victory
➣ Blackbird In Position
➣ Attack Dogs Unleashed
➣ MPL Brutality

Operations:
➣ TDM Victor
➣ CTF Tornado
➣ Headquarters Tornado
➣ TDM Bloodbath
➣ Domination Blood Bath
➣ S&D Blood Bath
➣ Free-For-All Warrior
➣ Headquarters Barbarian
➣ CTF Titan
➣ Demolition Warlord

Specialist:
➣ Steel Meets Spine
➣ Scorched
➣ M72 LAW Killer
➣ Ballistic Knife Killer
➣ Tears Taste So Sweet
➣ WA2000 Expert
➣ A True Soldier
➣ Elite Precision

Combat Training

➣ Designed to introduce a new type of COD player who never takes the game online.
➣ Allows you to play against bots (AI)
➣ Rank progression separate from online multiplayer
➣ Play solo or with friends
➣ Great for map tactics, warmups, screwing around etc

Create a Class 2.0

➣ Start with 5 custom classes
➣ Gain an additional 5 from prestiges 1 - 5
➣ Can still rename custom classes
➣ You can see the look of your character
➣ Tier 1 perks change the appearance of your character model
➣ Tactical/Lethal grenades are thrown with RB
➣ Equipment is placed with LB
➣ A lot of painted (camos) weapons
➣ Flamethrowers, Sniper Rifles, Shotguns, everything can be customized from things you earn and unlock
➣ Customize your weapon with your emblem, etched clan tag, reticule, reticule color, and more
➣ Change your Lens type
➣ Described as "Gun Porn"

Menu Layout:
➣ Primary - Submachine Guns, Assault Rifles, Shotguns, Light Machine Guns, Sniper Rifles
➣ Secondary - Pistols, Launchers, Specials
➣ Lethal
➣ Tactical
➣ Equipment
➣ Perk 1
➣ Perk 2
➣ Perk 3
➣ Face Paint

Primary Weapons

Assault Rifles:
➣ M14
➣ Famas
➣ Enfield
➣ Falil
➣ Aug
➣ AK47
➣ FN Fal
➣ M16
➣ Commando
➣ Classified

Submachine Guns:
➣ Skorpion
➣ MAC11
➣ AK47u
➣ MP5K
➣ Uzi
➣ MPL
➣ Spectre
➣ PM63
➣ Classified

Shotguns:
➣ Skateout
➣ Olympia
➣ SPAS
➣ Classified

Light Machine Guns:
➣ RPK
➣ M60
➣ HK21
➣ Classified

Sniper Rifles:
➣ WA2000
➣ L96A1
➣ Dragunov
➣ Classified

Secondary Weapons

Pistols:
➣ M1911
➣ Markarov
➣ ASP
➣ Python
➣ Classified

Launchers:
➣ RPG
➣ M72
➣ China Lake
➣ Strela

Special:
➣ Crossbow
➣ Ballistic Knife

Misc

Tactical Grenades:
➣ Nova Gas
➣ Flash Bang
➣ Concussion
➣ Decoy - A non-lethal grenade that creates false radar blips by shooting
➣ Willy Pete - Smoke

Lethal:
➣ Semtex
➣ Frag
➣ Tomahawk - Throwing axe

Equipment:
➣ C4
➣ Tactical Insertions
➣ Claymore
➣ Camera Spike
➣ Motion Sensor
➣ Jammer

Some Primary Attachments:
➣ Extended Mags
➣ Dual Mags - 500C
➣ ACOG Scope
➣ Red Dot Sight
➣ Reflex - 750C
➣ Masterkey (Undermounted shotgun) - 750C
➣ Flamethrower - 750C
➣ Infrared Scope - 1000C
➣ Grenade Launcher - 1000C

Some Secondary Attachments:
➣ ACOG Sight
➣ Snub Nose
➣ Speed Reloader
➣ Dual Wield

Camouflage
➣ None
➣ Dusty
➣ Ice
➣ Red
➣ Olive
➣ Nevada
➣ Sahara
➣ ERDL
➣ Tiger
➣ Berlin
➣ Warsaw
➣ Siberia
➣ Yukon
➣ Woodland
➣ Flora
➣ Classified

Reticules:
➣ Dot
➣ Semi-circle
➣ Line with dot
➣ Circle
➣ Smiley
➣ Arrows horizontal
➣ Arrows vertical
➣ Arrows with dot
➣ Boxes
➣ Burst
➣ Circle within a circle
➣ Circle with dot
➣ Circle with crosshairs
➣ Circle with inner line
➣ Circle with outer line
➣ Circle with arrows
➣ Circle with triangles
➣ Outer crosshairs
➣ Small crosshairs
➣ Large crosshairs
➣ Diamond
➣ Diamond outline
➣ Heart
➣ Radiation
➣ Skull
➣ Square
➣ Square outline
➣ Star
➣ 3 dots
➣ Treyarch
➣ Triangle
➣ Outer triangles
➣ x
➣ X with dot
➣ Ying yang

Reticule Colors:
➣ Red
➣ Green
➣ Blue
➣ Purple/Pink
➣ Teal
➣ Yellow
➣ Orange

COD Points

➣ Currency and the xp system work side by side
➣ You still unlock weapons, perks, etc but have the ability to purchase these items earlier if you have enough COD Points
➣ Buy weapons, attachments, perks, titles, and emblems with COD Points
➣ Flamethrower is an attachment for 750C
➣ ClanTags are purchased for 1000C
➣ COD Points is awarded every time you play
➣ Earn COD Points kills, wins, k/d ration, gambling, etc
➣ Various answered questions can be found here: http://www.se7ensins...ost__p__2103679

Emblem Editor

➣ Ability to create your own emblems
➣ Emblems can be placed on your weapons
➣ 12 layers for emblems
➣ A lot of colors to chose from
➣ Purchase different emblem stocks with COD Points. Such as a skull, arrows, horse, bunny, and a ton more


Yeah... calm down Treyarch. You've already battered Infinity Ward I think.

09/11/10... a day to remember.. oh my gosh I want this game now... NOW

09/11/10... a day to remember.. oh my gosh I want this game now... NOW

You're not using gameplay to decide whether you want the game or not then...?

You're not using gameplay to decide whether you want the game or not then...?
You never pre-order a game or buy it on release day?
Really though, if it's even remotely like the other two Modern Warfare games, Overeagerman is going to love it! That just doesn't apply to the rest of us.

You never pre-order a game or buy it on release day?

Very rarely. Usually wait to see if it was worth the hype, and if it was then buy it once the price has dropped.

Very rarely. Usually wait to see if it was worth the hype, and if it was then buy it once the price has dropped.well you're somewhat of an oddity, I guess. Either way, though, shadowmoon would love it if Activision came over to his house, shat on his chest and slapped a CoD: Brown Ops logo on it.

You're not using gameplay to decide whether you want the game or not then...?

Gameplay? pah! I've owned CoD 5, 4, and 6. I know the gameplay and that's precisely why I'm getting this day number one.

Gameplay? pah! I've owned CoD 5, 4, and 6. I know the gameplay and that's precisely why I'm getting this day number one.yay for promoting cash-ins!

Gameplay? pah! I've owned CoD 5, 4, and 6. I know the gameplay and that's precisely why I'm getting this day number one.

But...
It's the same old bull**** that's been fed to the masses about 10 times already!

But...
It's the same old bull**** that's been fed to the masses about 10 times already!

The same, it will always be. If the gameplay of CoD changed they would risk losing fans.

Lets not forget just how MUCH new stuff is in Black Ops.

But...
It's the same old bull**** that's been fed to the masses about 10 times already!exactly. he likes that. he likes the old experience, so why would he WANT something different? he just wants a little spice added to his favorite dish, not for it to be made with a new type of meat.

I mean. We can't condone his lack of creativity or his exploration of new ideas, but if he WANTS to pay more money to play the same old crap, let him. it's his taste, not ours (thank glod).

Lets not forget just how MUCH new stuff is in Black Ops.

What exactly? Offline practice play?

What exactly? Offline practice play?

Bwahahaha. 85% of the stuff I posted in that huge big list is NEW.

exactly. he likes that. he likes the old experience, so why would he WANT something different? he just wants a little spice added to his favorite dish, not for it to be made with a new type of meat.

Yeah, lets turn CoD into GTA....

It'll be keeping its gameplay for a long time. From that list you should be able to tell there's loads of new stuff... I mean really... 18 camo's... 100+ emblems to choose from.... emblem editor.... theater mode.... CoD points... Wager Matches... character customisation... this will be awesome.

Plus, Treyarch are laying the ban hammer on people that hack or boost so there will be few even trying to wreck the game. Black Ops won't suck, and its obvious from the list I posted, the gameplay videos and JD2020's twitter feed (confirming that the noob tube and tactical insertion will actually be balanced)

And really, this "oh its the exact same argument" sucks. Halo has been the same futuristic shooter, Battlefield has been the same game, the gameplay of worms has been the same for ages now too.

Why change a game if its already doing great in sales. Black Op's has beat MW2 in Pre-orders and its obvious CoD is still alive, not dead. I don't get it, its like your trying to make up some random stupid argument because Activision suck (which they do, I admit it, but Treyarch are the developers here)

And from this screenshot the graphics will be very detailed and in the maps there will be some interesting stuff going on, such as the rocket launch on Launch.

http://i55.tinypic.com/20j47c4.jpg

Bwahahaha. 85% of the stuff I posted in that huge big list is NEW.

But it's not really. Sure some functionality has changed and names are different, but gameplay-wise it has bugger all effect.
The only thing that looks like it might actually change something is the SAM turret, which I haven't seen before.


And really, this "oh its the exact same argument" sucks. Halo has been the same futuristic shooter, Battlefield has been the same game, the gameplay of worms has been the same for ages now too.

Except I don't get a predictable sequel for these every year.


It's not that it's the same gameplay, but it's just that it's the exact same game that's been thrown out last year, the year before and probably the year before that.

Okay, HOW is Black Ops the same as MW2?

That "same thing" argument Is complete bull****. Worms has been the same game for YEARS, as has Halo.

That "same thing" argument Is complete bull****. Worms has been the same game for YEARS, as has Halo.

I've explained why this isn't the actual problem I have with it.

Why change a game if its already doing great in sales.

So you can sleep at night?

So you can sleep at night?But don't you see, the game tucks him in.

I hate to agree with Shadowmoon, but I dont really see the problem with Black Ops being 'just a MW2 rerelase' (should it be remake? I don't know, Plasma please rescue me). If they released all those new maps and new campaign as DLC then, even without the other new stuff, people would still be paying close to £40 for it all (we already paid £20 for about 10 maps, some of which were old, without complaining too much)


Although I do disagree with Shadowmoon saying it has loads of new stuff. 18 CAMOS!!11!11!1!!!!1! does not count as 'new' 'stuff'

And really, this "oh its the exact same argument" sucks. Halo has been the same futuristic shooter, Battlefield has been the same game, the gameplay of worms has been the same for ages now too.
Except they're not. Games in those three series, well they're very similar and have the same base mechanics... but after playing a round or two it becomes very distinct that they're different from their predecessors!
Now for much more relative examples, try Guitar Hero/Rock Band and FIFA. (disclaimer: that might not work out so well for you)

From that list you should be able to tell there's loads of new stuff... I mean really... 18 camo's... 100+ emblems to choose from.... emblem editor.... theater mode.... CoD points... Wager Matches... character customisation... this will be awesome.
Okay, that? That's not content. Well it is in the technical sense, but it sure as heck ain't going to change the gameplay! All those stuff you listed (except maybe for theatre mode) are purely cosmetic!


And that's my problem with your whole debating points - they're rubbish! You're arguing completely the wrong thing! What you should be saying is that the game will be something different because it'll have much more variation and additions than the horribly-basic Modern Warfare 1, but without having the huge amounts of balance issues Modern Warfare 2 had, while having a good load of minor additional features on the side. That's a much more solid argument! But from the way you're saying it, it sounds like "this game will be different and better because it has all this new stuff!", which is just... pants.

ok. really. people, this is pointless.

we all know ShadowMoon loves CoD games. He loves them regardless of what they offer. Anything new is exciting for him for whatever reason. This may seem shallow and silly to the rest of us, but this is his opinion and that is ours. There's no reason to argue this point. You can't change what a person likes and what a person doesn't like just by telling them how uncreative those things are. He enjoys the games as they are and doesn't want them to change; That's just like the rest of every other CoD fan. The formula works well enough to satisfy some. Yes, the rest of us are bored by its lack of innovation, but Shadowmoon isn't. End of story, end of argument, end of discussion.

We all just have to agree to disagree with him here. There's no option B.

What Akuryou said, but in a less snobbish, condesending way.

Innovation is great and all but not every game has to upset the apple cart! :p

Also stay classy, sony. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiUa6gck4iE&feature=player_embedded)

Also stay classy, sony. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiUa6gck4iE&feature=player_embedded)

Was that actually comisioned by sony?

Teaser for EDF:IA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW7YMU_n4TE

Also, according to some commenter on kotaku:

Featuring: full campaign, supporting 3-player online co-op, 6-player "Survival" mode, 150 weapons and 4 upgradeable suits.

No idea if that's true, but if it is then FREAKING SWEET.

edit: There you go: http://www.giantbomb.com/news/earth-defense-force-insect-armageddon-lands-next-spring/2559/

It's not made by Sandlot tho, not sure how to feel about that. The game however, sounds pretty awesome.

Was that actually comisioned by sony?

It would appear that it is not a Sony ad, since the logo never shows up. Actually it never says Sony at all.

Errrghhhh, the new Black and White starters evolve forms absolutely SUCK!

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml

And pretty much ALL the pokemon in the game suck too!

And pretty much ALL the pokemon in the game suck too!
There we have it, ladies and gentlemen! The first "All the new Pokemon suck" here since the new generation! I'm still waiting for a "The games stopped being fun since Generation 1 or 2" and a "They've been rehashing the same game since the beginning, it never changed" though.


Incidentally, Genosect (the last Pokemon in Shadowmoon's list) is the best Pokemon in the history of everything! Half because of its design/appearance/name (hitlerbug r us), and half because of its devastating stats.

Incidentally, Genosect (the last Pokemon in Shadowmoon's list) is the best Pokemon in the history of everything! Half because of its design/appearance/name (hitlerbug r us), and half because of its devastating stats.is there a better picture somewhere, because he looks like a pretty horrible design from what I can see, but it's such a poor picture, it's hard to tell.

but yeah. overall? I'm with shadowmoon. there are a few good designs mixed up in there, as with most of the generations, but the majority was complete trash. I'm almost certain they ran out of ideas after gold/silver.

I've loved all pokemon games so far pretty much equally, and I'm sure that this one will be nice too, but these pokemon are very dissapointing.

I mean seriously, the evolve forms of the starter pig pokemon should have been a warthog, not a friggin' fire monster thing!

I will admit that there is some good ones though. That pikachu like one which is an electric/flying type doesn't look too bad. Crocodiles ones are pretty good.

The games have stopped being fun since Generation 2 though diagonal movement maye make it fun again but I have serious doubts. Diagonal movement has been around for over 20 years now :O

Oh wow, the designs DO suck
Seriously? A mushroom with pokeballs slogan on hand and head. How does that work? How does a creature can be created with the exact design that humans made to represent it? Ok, I'm guilty of trying to use loigc with Pokémon

The only decent ones are the spiders (Bachuru and the other)
This ghosty thing, Shanderaa
And Kibago and it's other forms (even though they look exaclty like several other pokemon from the past, like Tyranitar)

They should've stopped so long ago

Errrghhhh, the new Black and White starters evolve forms absolutely SUCK!

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml

And pretty much ALL the pokemon in the game suck too!

Eh. I like Mijumaru's 2nd form, and all of Tsutarja's forms seem pretty good to me, which is nice since he's the only one that matters. :p Pity he seems to get less smug the higher he goes, but those pictures aren't very good so who knows.

I like quite a few of those, really.

#533 Dotekkotsu is wielding a steel girder good lord.
#541 Kurumayu is cute and evolves into a sleek syther-style bug thing.
#579 Rankurusu is a friggin adorably happy amoeba/fetus holy crap if I get this game I won't rest until I get that one.
#569 Dasutodasu is amazingly disgusting.
#581 Swanna is in a wonderfully goofy pose.
#631 Kuitaran is an awesome anteater guy.


So... I quite like these, actually. Really can't match 1-2nd generation in which almost every single pokémon was appealing, but oh well.

Oh wow, the designs DO suck
Seriously? A mushroom with pokeballs slogan on hand and head. How does that work? How does a creature can be created with the exact design that humans made to represent it? Ok, I'm guilty of trying to use loigc with Pokémon

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Okay I should explain now. See, nearly all Pokemon since Gen1/2 has the quality whereby it looks... practically hideous when you first see it. Everyone thinks that at first! It's not until you get used to them that you start thinking that they're not actually that bad and actually rather fit in, and once you find out what they're actually a reference to do you think they're actually pretty damn thought-out!
Gen1 and sorta Gen2 don't because they're not really references to anything, they're just simplistic creatures based on simplified concepts. There's no complexity involved whatsoever. They were made solely as "whatever looks good". Which sounds fine normally, but in the long term... well, guess how well Digimon, which did do that, fared.

To show my point:
Random example from Gen4:
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bc/411Bastiodon.png
Bastiodon. [Bastion (a fortification structure) + Mastodon (an extinct elephant-like animal with large tusks)]
Based off of a Zuniceratops (http://www.google.ie/search?client=opera&rls=en-GB&q=Zuniceratops&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) integrated with a large fortress wall, representing its very large Defence stat.

Random example from Gen1:
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/1f/086Seel.png
Seel [Seal]
It's a seal.

Actually, you can pick nearly any Pokemon from Gen1 and you'll realise there's practically no creativity in them at all.
Exeggcute - eggs
Ponyta - a horse on fire
Machop - a bodybuilder
Rattata - a rat
Even one of the most thought-out, and everyone's favourite, Gen1 Pokemon - Charmander - is just a single reference to "people in the past thought salamanders were related to fire".



And now you may begin saying "I wasted your time because you do not care about this stuff". In the meantime, I'm going to go not thinking the most successful videogame series of all time is just a fad. Have fun with that!

I'm almost certain they ran out of ideas after gold/silver.
Oooh, I forgot about that one. It's always a favourite of mine too! "Given that they have everything in the entire known universe to work with, they've clearly ran out of ideas"! Classic!

605 and 606 look absolutely pathetic in my opinion.

And #641, #642 and #645 are all reskins of each other. :p

Actually, you can pick nearly any Pokemon from Gen1 and you'll realise there's practically no creativity in them at all.
Exeggcute - eggs
Ponyta - a horse on fire
Machop - a bodybuilder
Rattata - a rat
Even one of the most thought-out, and everyone's favourite, Gen1 Pokemon - Charmander - is just a single reference to "people in the past thought salamanders were related to fire".


This isn't really my issue with them.
After Generation 1, pokemon design decreased fairly consistently and now we're left with an aesthetic mess. I'm not really interested in creativity at all and since all the ones I see in promotional stuff look like pieces of geometry stuck together I can't see any redeeming qualities.
They just don't look as nice, the art direction has taken a turn for the worse.

Okay I should explain now. See, nearly all Pokemon since Gen1/2 has the quality whereby it looks... practically hideous when you first see it. Everyone thinks that at first! It's not until you get used to them that you start thinking that they're not actually that bad and actually rather fit in, and once you find out what they're actually a reference to do you think they're actually pretty damn thought-out!
Gen1 and sorta Gen2 don't because they're not really references to anything, they're just simplistic creatures based on simplified concepts. There's no complexity involved whatsoever. They were made solely as "whatever looks good". Which sounds fine normally, but in the long term... well, guess how well Digimon, which did do that, fared.

...

Actually, you can pick nearly any Pokemon from Gen1 and you'll realise there's practically no creativity in them at all.
Exeggcute - eggs
Ponyta - a horse on fire
Machop - a bodybuilder
Rattata - a rat
Even one of the most thought-out, and everyone's favourite, Gen1 Pokemon - Charmander - is just a single reference to "people in the past thought salamanders were related to fire".

Wait, I honestly can't tell if you're saying the simplicity of gen1-2's designs was good or bad. I thought it was the former, since that's the correct answer and all (:p), but rereading it just made me confused.

Okay I should explain now. See, nearly all Pokemon since Gen1/2 has the quality whereby it looks... practically hideous when you first see it. Everyone thinks that at first! It's not until you get used to them that you start thinking that they're not actually that bad and actually rather fit in, and once you find out what they're actually a reference to do you think they're actually pretty damn thought-out!
Gen1 and sorta Gen2 don't because they're not really references to anything, they're just simplistic creatures based on simplified concepts. There's no complexity involved whatsoever. They were made solely as "whatever looks good". Which sounds fine normally, but in the long term... well, guess how well Digimon, which did do that, fared.see? this is the thinking that bugs me as an art student. just because something is meaningful doesn't mean it's visually appealing. the Generation 1 and about 3/4 of generation 2 pokemon all looked good. They had good character designs. After that the designs stopped being good at all, for the most part. The guy you posted? he actually makes sense. that one's a good design. he looks like a bull or something mixed with a shield. I could go with that one well enough. There are a few other good examples from the Diamond/Pearl ones. I actually like the three starters there, for instance, but these guys? these just don't look good and don't fit in with the visual style AT ALL of the entire series. I can say that because enough of every new set of pokemon DO fit into the style I'm referring to that Nintendo must still be trying to fit into that style. but on to my examples:

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/423.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/426.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/437.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/445.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/452.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/454.shtml

none of those look like any animal that relates at all to their element, and most of them don't even look like any particular element. they just look like random monsters. not necessarily bad designs as monsters, but the original pokemon set up a visual style and they stuck with that for the most part all the way to where they are now. There are just so many in these newer sets that DON'T stick with the style they started with that they just don't fit in. When the majority of people who loved the first series hate the later games in the series, that's a good indication you're doing something wrong.

and yeah, there's tons more I could link, but that would get tedious. the bad far outweighs the good in those sets.

edit: actually? my point is best illustrated by looking at the Eevee evolutions. the first 3? awesome. the second 2? pretty good. the next 2? complete trash. leafeon and glaceon look friggin HORRIBLE compared to jolteon and flareon.

Oooh, I forgot about that one. It's always a favourite of mine too! "Given that they have everything in the entire known universe to work with, they've clearly ran out of ideas"! Classic!oh had you skipped that one? it was so obvious I thought you'd actually said it. ah well. my irony is lessened.

Kay, yeah, I get what Plasma's saying now.

How on Earth is basing the designs based on "whatever looks good" a bad thing? I thought making things that look good is the entire basis behind making things; especially as is the case in a silly children's video game in which the entire point is to build a team of creatures you find cool/cute/etc. and have them beat up other creatures in simplistic battles*. I put scyther in my team every time I played those games because I thought they were cool. I didn't give half a crap about what the "meaning" behind the design was, or what its stats were, or what it's "hidden" stats were, or blah blah blah anything that wasn't about seeing neat monsters do neat things.

Look, that Bastiodon thing is a crappy design. Show a picture of that to a kid and ask him half an hour later to draw it and he won't come anywhere close. There are too many stupid details everywhere. Even I can't remember the damn thing, and I just looked at it 30 seconds ago. Here, let me try: It's like a triceratops except with a wall where its head is. It's eyes... can't remember where those are. Did it have a tail? I think it had weird rock protrusions on its thighs. Can't remember if they went up or down... okay. *looks* oh, alright then. Seel doesn't have this problem. "It's a white seal-like thing with a horn and a big tongue". That's good design because it's memorable, and it's memorable because it's simple.

I mean, a defense-based pokémon having a wall for a face is just as simplistic as a water-based pokémon looking like a seal. The only difference is that the former has a lousy design. Simplify it up and take out the weird rocky bits and the frickin spikes, and you'll have... a quadruped lizardy-thing with a wall face. Perfect!

* I cannot believe there are people who seriously play a children's game competitively. Just boggles my mind.

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/426.shtml

I kinda like the balloon guys. "It's like a balloon, but it has a big band-aid on its face and dangly arms". I kinda wish they removed the cloud since it's less memorable than the band-aid and thus, pointless, but oh well.

I think most of the well-designed pokémon can be described in a single sentence that starts with "It's like a ____".

Wait, I honestly can't tell if you're saying the simplicity of gen1-2's designs was good or bad. I thought it was the former, since that's the correct answer and all (:p), but rereading it just made me confused.
I'm really saying it's more like it's neither, or marginally worse in the long time. My point was more along the lines of that it's not instantly better like everyone seems to keep implying it is.

see? this is the thinking that bugs me as an art student. just because something is meaningful doesn't mean it's visually appealing. the Generation 1 and about 3/4 of generation 2 pokemon all looked good. They had good character designs. After that the designs stopped being good at all, for the most part. The guy you posted? he actually makes sense. that one's a good design. he looks like a bull or something mixed with a shield. I could go with that one well enough. There are a few other good examples from the Diamond/Pearl ones. I actually like the three starters there, for instance, but these guys? these just don't look good and don't fit in with the visual style AT ALL of the entire series. I can say that because enough of every new set of pokemon DO fit into the style I'm referring to that Nintendo must still be trying to fit into that style.
I'd like to point out the "When you get used to them" part of my post. It's not something I'd be able to actually explain, but it just ends up being the common case.

edit: actually? my point is best illustrated by looking at the Eevee evolutions. the first 3? awesome. the second 2? pretty good. the next 2? complete trash. leafeon and glaceon look friggin HORRIBLE compared to jolteon and flareon.
Actually, just about all opinion polls (among people who still play Pokemon, I mean) say that all the Eeveelutions except Umbreon and Jolteon are about evenly popular, which tends to nicely show my point about how new pokemon tend to look rubbish until you get used to them.

Umbreon and Jolteon are the exceptions. Apparently Umbreon is by far the most popular and Jolteon the least.

Umbreon and Jolteon are the exceptions. Apparently Umbreon is by far the most popular and Jolteon the least.

Umbreon probably has some bias towards it, what with it being the "Dark" one and all.
Jolteon surprises me, since I always thought Flareon looked the worst (although that's purely going off the original GB graphics).

Kay, yeah, I get what Plasma's saying now.

How on Earth is basing the designs based on "whatever looks good" a bad thing? I thought making things that look good is the entire basis behind making things; especially as is the case in a silly children's video game in which the entire point is to build a team of creatures you find cool/cute/etc. and have them beat up other creatures in simplistic battles*. I put scyther in my team every time I played those games because I thought they were cool. I didn't give half a crap about what the "meaning" behind the design was, or what its stats were, or what it's "hidden" stats were, or blah blah blah anything that wasn't about seeing neat monsters do neat things.

Look, that Bastiodon thing is a crappy design. Show a picture of that to a kid and ask him half an hour later to draw it and he won't come anywhere close. There are too many stupid details everywhere. Even I can't remember the damn thing, and I just looked at it 30 seconds ago. Here, let me try: It's like a triceratops except with a wall where its head is. It's eyes... can't remember where those are. Did it have a tail? I think it had weird rock protrusions on its thighs. Can't remember if they went up or down... okay. *looks* oh, alright then. Seel doesn't have this problem. "It's a white seal-like thing with a horn and a big tongue". That's good design because it's memorable, and it's memorable because it's simple.

I mean, a defense-based pokémon having a wall for a face is just as simplistic as a water-based pokémon looking like a seal. The only difference is that the former has a lousy design. Simplify it up and take out the weird rocky bits and the frickin spikes, and you'll have... a quadruped lizardy-thing with a wall face. Perfect!

* I cannot believe there are people who seriously play a children's game competitively. Just boggles my mind.



I kinda like the balloon guys. "It's like a balloon, but it has a big band-aid on its face and dangly arms". I kinda wish they removed the cloud since it's less memorable than the band-aid and thus, pointless, but oh well.

I think most of the well-designed pokémon can be described in a single sentence that starts with "It's like a ____".ok, yeah. I can agree with your post. I don't find Bastiodon all that bad, but that's just a personal thing. and even I wouldn't defend him to any length.

but yeah. you put into words what I meant. the first series was all "like a ______" while these later ones aren't. at all. I should be able to look at a pokemon and tell what it does on a basic level. even Jynx I could list as either Psychic or Normal once I'd been told those were two of the types.


and plasma? I shouldn't HAVE to get used to them. I've gotten used to the interface in Reloaded, but that doesn't mean it's not crap. Actually, the fact that I had to get used to it tells me that it IS bad design. The same goes with pokemon. If Black and White had been the first game released, I guarantee you that it wouldn't have sold as many copies or been as popular a show. And I can tell you right now that if I told one of my design teachers that "you just have to get used to it" they'd fail my ass right then and there.

I like how Plasma is making some of the best points ITT
edit: actually? my point is best illustrated by looking at the Eevee evolutions. the first 3? awesome. the second 2? pretty good. the next 2? complete trash. leafeon and glaceon look friggin HORRIBLE compared to jolteon and flareon.
WOAH LOOK AT THIS BADASS MOTHER****ER (http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x147/Godzilla_Master/Vaporeon.png)
vs
OH GOD NINTENDO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE (http://pokemon.neoseeker.com/w/i/pokemon/b/bf/471.png)

what are you talking about?
as an art student.
you say this as if it's supposed to give any validity to your claims

you're good at doing simple emoticon gif animations but that's about it, I doubt you really know that much about creating memorable character designs.
I thought making things that look good is the entire basis behind making things; especially as is the case in a silly children's video game in which the entire point is to build a team of creatures you find cool/cute/etc. and have them beat up other creatures in simplistic battles*. I put scyther in my team every time I played those games because I thought they were cool. I didn't give half a crap about what the "meaning" behind the design was
and how do you know what kids these days find "cool"? go ahead and watch Pokemon Black & White sell just as well as the past games (and even if it doesn't there's bound to be some other reason for it - no child is going to boycott the games because the characters are "overdesigned" or whatever).

I personally think Infernape is a way better and more stylish design than all of the 1st gen Pokemon but that doesn't matter because I'm not in Nintendo's target demographic (and in all honesty I don't even care about Pokemon, I played Diamond for a bit because my friends never stopped talking about it and got stopped caring at the second gym fight)

also I was a huge animal nerd as a kid who knew way more about obscure species than a lot of other kids my age so it's not like no child is going to benefit from the little extra of knowing the stories behind some of those designs
I cannot believe there are people who seriously play a children's game competitively. Just boggles my mind.
you are posting this on a Worms forum filled with children.
I can tell you right now that if I told one of my design teachers that "you just have to get used to it" they'd fail my ass right then and there.
I doubt your teacher is that harsh

you told me to "go screw myself" when I criticized one of your pictures so you don't seem very accustomed to negative feedback

I like how Plasma is making some of the best points ITT

WOAH LOOK AT THIS BADASS MOTHER****ER (http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x147/Godzilla_Master/Vaporeon.png)
vs
OH GOD NINTENDO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE (http://pokemon.neoseeker.com/w/i/pokemon/b/bf/471.png)

what are you talking about?I can peg vaporeon as a water thing. the ice one? if I were shown that without context, I'd have NO idea what it was supposed to be. it's pretty bad.


you say this as if it's supposed to give any validity to your claimsactually, I just meant that since I've become an art student that has bothered me a lot, while I never got exposed to it before. Now, a lot of my fellow students rave about things that are really uninteresting visually because it has a deeper meaning to it. I mean, sure, it's basically a stick man but it's a stick man with a neo-nazi theme! awesome!

and how do you know what kids these days find "cool"? go ahead and watch Pokemon Black & White sell just as well as the past games (and even if it doesn't there's bound to be some other reason for it - no child is going to boycott the games because the characters are "overdesigned" or whatever).which is why I said "if it were released first". and hey. I could be completely wrong here. I'm not a kid. I hardly know what they think is cool enough to follow.

I doubt your teacher is that harsh

you told me to "go screw myself" when I criticized one of your pictures so you don't seem very accustomed to negative feedbackI said that based on HOW you criticized my work. "omg you suck" is hardly worthwhile feedback. I have no issue with constructive criticism, but I refused to accept "it's wrong" unless you proceed to say WHY it's wrong. you'll note that the rest of the discussion you're referring to went calmly once you were making points. I KNOW that drawing was off, and your pointing out issues with it helped me peg specifics as to why. I like that sort of thing. I get plenty of feedback from teachers, both negative AND positive, and I like both, but only because both involve constructive...ness.... and I can learn from it.

also? yes. some of my teachers are pretty harsh. One of them put a post-it on an Adobe advertisement with "D-" and a list of reasons why the poster would've failed his class.

I can peg vaporeon as a water thing. the ice one? if I were shown that without context, I'd have NO idea what it was supposed to be. it's pretty bad.
it's blue and wearing a sherpa cap
actually, I just meant that since I've become an art student that has bothered me a lot, while I never got exposed to it before. Now, a lot of my fellow students rave about things that are really uninteresting visually because it has a deeper meaning to it. I mean, sure, it's basically a stick man but it's a stick man with a neo-nazi theme! awesome!
I dunno minimalism can be done well
which is why I said "if it were released first"
actually I was talking to pigbuster
I said that based on HOW you criticized my work. "omg you suck" is hardly worthwhile feedback.
in all honesty I thought simply pointing out that it was totally wrong might have been SOMEWHAT constructive considering how much was wrong with her. you could have looked at... whatever picture you use as correct anatomical reference and found the mistakes yourself.

but that's just my way of explaining my way of thinking, not justifying it (you're right, I should have elaborated)

it's blue and wearing a sherpa capis THAT what it's supposed to be based on? geez that is vague. I would think some icicles or snowflake ears could've gotten the point across better. heck, make her more crystaline and a lighter blue or something to imply ice. either way, ice isn't at all what I think when I see that pokemon.

I dunno minimalism can be done wellagreed, but in the cases I'm thinking of, it wasn't minimalism. it was just poor. I, unfortunately, dont have any of those images to link to.

actually I was talking to pigbusteroh. whoops.

I dunno, those symbols on its furs could be attributed to ice. considering there is already a water-type Eevee evolution you can just connect the dots.

Jynx is primarily an ice type and looking at her, there is absolutely nothing hinting to that.

Articuno is really just a blue bird with no very blatantly"icy" qualities to it. you could say that birds wouldn't make for logical water-type animals, but then neither would small puppy/kitten-like things. Vaporeon at least had some fish-like traits to it but Glaceon has nothing that would suggest an aquatic lifestyle - and it has "icy" symbols on it.

I dunno, those symbols on its furs could be attributed to ice. considering there is already a water-type Eevee evolution you can just connect the dots.

Jynx is primarily an ice type and looking at her, there is absolutely nothing hinting to that.

Articuno is really just a blue bird with no very blatantly"icy" qualities to it. you could say that birds wouldn't make for logical water-type animals, but then neither would small puppy/kitten-like things. Vaporeon at least had some fish-like traits to it but Glaceon has nothing that would suggest an aquatic lifestyle - and it has "icy" symbols on it.huh. I always think of articuno as presented on the show, with glowy icy bits streaming from behind. never looked at it out of context.

fair enough on that, I guess. the pokemon team just suck at representing ice :p

huh. I always think of articuno as presented on the show, with glowy icy bits streaming from behind. never looked at it out of context.

fair enough on that, I guess. the pokemon team just suck at representing ice :p
It's a big blue bird, and blue in this series is normally associated with either water or ice. it clearly doesn't have any aquatic features to it so what else could it be?

I guess you could claim that it's a bad design because it doesn't have enough detail and is practically just an animal with an odd color but that would make a ton of the 1st gen Pokemon look horrible too.

And the newer Pokemon games have a polar bear, a wooly mammoth, a walrus, even a giant snowflake as ice-type designs - I'd say the new games are actually better at clearly indicating these things.

Nice. So we have gone from discussing CoD, a franchise that sucks, to discussing Pokemon, a franchise that sucks more. NICE.

Yes, the pokemon designs suck. The art style in general is just bland and boring. The first games were fun little things. The rest is just milk.

I personally think Infernape is a way better and more stylish design than all of the 1st gen Pokemon

Infernape is the best looking starter pokemon, so far, In my opinion. Its completely awesome :cool:

I thought the pig starter would be great but its final evolution sucks horribly.. same for Mijumaru. Tsutarja is the best looking starter pokemon in this game, although its final evolution reminds me of Milotic.. from Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald

Nice. So we have gone from discussing CoD, a franchise that sucks, to discussing Pokemon, a franchise that sucks more.

In that case, can we discuss the upcoming PC port of Darksiders?

Show a picture of that to a kid and ask him half an hour later to draw it and he won't come anywhere close
this is a pretty weird standard to judge character designs by

sounds like he became a teacher for all the wrong reasonswhy? because adobe made a bad adverisement poster?

I've been in the LittleBIGPlanet 2 beta for a couple of weeks. They've just lifted the NDA, so i'm allowed to SPILL MY GUTS now.

I made Micro Machines! Fun was had. This game is amazing. Here's a video of my level: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwWSEdGGVTQ&feature=PlayList&p=8EA2AB5CF203E951&index=10


http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/511/aphoto1.jpg

So... how easy/complicated is it to make levels with? As in, how long did that minigame take you?
And how much can you do with it? For example, for that minigame, would it be possible to add weapons/power-ups, or a points mode that Micro Machines is most often associated with?

Homage to the N64 and Playstation Micro Machines games
I WANT! TO PUNCH! YOU!

So... how easy/complicated is it to make levels with? As in, how long did that minigame take you?
And how much can you do with it? For example, for that minigame, would it be possible to add weapons/power-ups, or a points mode that Micro Machines is most often associated with?


I WANT! TO PUNCH! YOU!

Well, the first Sackro machines level I made took 3 hours, which is pretty damn impressive. This one i spent more time on... maybe about 5 or 6? It's really really simple, and you can churn out a game/level pretty quickly. Weapons can be added yeah, it's just a case of putting an emitter on your car then activating it when you drive over a powerup. Points would be possible too, but it's more fun the way it is.

ALSO, I didn't write the description at the beginning of the video... the guy playing it did! I know full well Micro Machines has been around since waaay before then - I first played it on my Mega Drive when I was like... 7

So...... I pre-ordered the Black Ops hardened edition, waheyyyyy!

Little Big Planet 2 looks frikkin' sweet, gotta get a PS3 next year...

DUDE THAT IS AWESOME.

I remember playing micromachines on the SNES. It was FUN.

In that level, is there anything to prevent people from cheating? Or do you just rely on people(hopefully) staying mostly on the track?

Yeah I made sure I placed objects to block off any shortcuts people might try and take. It's possible to have the cars blow up like in the original Micro Machines, but I prefer it the way it is

How to make a flying, vomiting, space monster:

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9260/aphotov.jpg

Yes, my logic is very very sloppy! But who cares when you get results like this:

WHOOOOOOOOSH!
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/511/aphoto1.jpg

BLUUUEEERRRGGGHH!! *weep* BLUURRRGH!! *weep some more*
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6818/aphoto2b.jpg

Well it sure as hell looks like a huge step up from LBP1! Consider me interested!

ok. really. people, this is pointless.

we all know Plasma loves Pokemon games. He loves them regardless of what they offer. Anything new is exciting for him for whatever reason. This may seem shallow and silly to the rest of us, but this is his opinion and that is ours. There's no reason to argue this point. You can't change what a person likes and what a person doesn't like just by telling them how uncreative those things are. He enjoys the games as they are and doesn't want them to change; That's just like the rest of every other Pokemon fan. The formula works well enough to satisfy some. Yes, the rest of us are bored by its lack of innovation, but Plasma isn't. End of story, end of argument, end of discussion.

We all just have to agree to disagree with him here. There's no option B


(Sorry, I got here late)

ok. really. people, this is pointless.

we all know Plasma loves Pokemon games. He loves them regardless of what they offer. Anything new is exciting for him for whatever reason. This may seem shallow and silly to the rest of us, but this is his opinion and that is ours. There's no reason to argue this point. You can't change what a person likes and what a person doesn't like just by telling them how uncreative those things are. He enjoys the games as they are and doesn't want them to change; That's just like the rest of every other Pokemon fan. The formula works well enough to satisfy some. Yes, the rest of us are bored by its lack of innovation, but Plasma isn't. End of story, end of argument, end of discussion.

We all just have to agree to disagree with him here. There's no option B


(Sorry, I got here late)
AHAHAHAHAH! Oh god, sorry, but it's just so painfully obvious you only read the word "Pokemon" and absolutely nothing else! Seriously, that must be embarrassing!
Here's a tip: we were talking solely about the art/Pokemon design, not the gameplay whatsoever. And I was saying the change to a more "reference-related, ugly-at-first-glance" style IS a good thing!

And for reference, if you actually suggested that each game SHOULD be innovative and change the system, I would laugh in your face and tell you to go back to /v/.
And if you suggested that in that case there's no reason to have more games, I'd laugh some more!

ok. really. people, this is pointless.

we all know ShadowMoon loves CoD games. He loves them regardless of what they offer. Anything new is exciting for him for whatever reason. This may seem shallow and silly to the rest of us, but this is his opinion and that is ours. There's no reason to argue this point. You can't change what a person likes and what a person doesn't like just by telling them how uncreative those things are. He enjoys the games as they are and doesn't want them to change; That's just like the rest of every other CoD fan. The formula works well enough to satisfy some. Yes, the rest of us are bored by its lack of innovation, but Shadowmoon isn't. End of story, end of argument, end of discussion.

We all just have to agree to disagree with him here. There's no option B.

ok. really. people, this is pointless.

we all know Plasma loves Pokemon games. He loves them regardless of what they offer. Anything new is exciting for him for whatever reason. This may seem shallow and silly to the rest of us, but this is his opinion and that is ours. There's no reason to argue this point. You can't change what a person likes and what a person doesn't like just by telling them how uncreative those things are. He enjoys the games as they are and doesn't want them to change; That's just like the rest of every other Pokemon fan. The formula works well enough to satisfy some. Yes, the rest of us are bored by its lack of innovation, but Plasma isn't. End of story, end of argument, end of discussion.

We all just have to agree to disagree with him here. There's no option B


(Sorry, I got here late)

You just got trolled, plasma. :p

God.




Damnit.

Owned.

Also, if you have an Iphone/Ipad/Ipod Touch download Angry Birds now if you haven't already.. you will not regret it. It is brilliant, and super cheap for what it has.

Speaking of which, Super Mega Worm is freaking addictive.

Describing games is for wusses!

Describing games is for wusses!

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/254/a/1/derp_mander_by_zeurel-d2yj4eg.gif

derp

derpoh god, PLEASE tell me those aren't spreading around the internet!

oh god, PLEASE tell me those aren't spreading around the internet!

They are... on three of the forums I go to already. I spread them to the fourth. :V

Should I make a Random Thoughts and Ideas thread? It's just a random thread kind of thing where short conversations arise and people share their (random) thoughts, ideas and recent happenings.

On topic, I'm getting Shattered Dimensions tomorrow. Hooray for me!

Should I make a Random Thoughts and Ideas thread? It's just a random thread kind of thing where short conversations arise and people share their (random) thoughts, ideas and recent happenings.well by tradition we've avoided those threads as Online Orgy technically isn't an off-topic forum. It's still supposed to be Team17 or gaming related.

God.




Damnit.
Zing.

Also:
And for reference, if you actually suggested that each game SHOULD be innovative and change the system
Actually I was more on Shad's side in that argument, which is why I didnt say much :p If you want a new game, dont buy a sequel.
I would laugh in your face and tell you to go back to /v/.
Well done, you've out-nerded me. (Would 'Have a cookie' be a suitable witty sign-off? Well, your the one with the references/memes/whateverthehellthatwas, figure out the most relevant rebutle yourself)
Ok, I looked it up. I always wondered what 'this 4chan thing' was!

Splinter's right, the best thing about this thread is how the same people can go from lambasting Shad for defending a "more of the same" sequel over cosmetic additions to lambasting Shad for attacking a "more of the same" sequel over cosmetic additions without even the slightest hint of hypocrisy.

Just tried Sonic Adventure for the first time, the trial version on the xbox (it was recently released on there)

Really enjoyed it, which doesn't really happen with the 3D ones... I'll probably get it soon. How the heck did they go down from there.

Little Big Planet 2 fans will be waiting a while longer: http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/112/1122914p1.html

I also tried the demo for Sonic Adventure and couldn't stand it. Particularly because sonic kept falling through the terrain in some parts.

Woah weird. I had none of that. My experience was clean. I wonder what went wrong when you played it, I didn't fall through a terrain nor experienced a cheap death.

Just tried the Enslaved demo, it's pretty amazing. Definitely looking forward for it.

This year is shaping up to be one of the best years for gaming. :eek:

Nintendo Conference!

Highlights:
-All 3DS games can communicate while in sleep mode.
-You don't have to actually be playing a specific game to get tag-mode data for that game.
-Mii characters can be converted into a QR code that you can print or post online, so that someone else can just take a picture of the code and instantly retrieve your Mii.
-Multi-tasking feature. You can hit the home button while in a game to launch a few other stuff, such as a "Memory Notebook" amongst other things.
-3DS will come with a 2GB SD card.
-A series of AR games will come with the 3DS.
-Game Boy, Game Boy Advance and Classic games in 3D on VC service! :D Is there hope for Mother 3 localization yet? :P
-3DS can connect on WiFi when in sleep mode and auto-download data. Such as rankings, free software, etc.
-Feb 26 release in japan at 25000 yen, which is around $300 US. March release for US and Europe, no price for this regions yet.

It's still going, if anything notewhorty pops up I'll edit this post.

edit: apparently, that's it. Nice to hear it's not comming out this november as many rumored. Too many stuff comming out this next couple of months. :p

-Game Boy, Game Boy Advance and Classic games in 3D on VC service!
Saw it coming!

I don't see a Mother3 localisation coming though. At all. Even Earthbound hasn't come out in the western VC.

Zombiezzz are back!

http://kotaku.com/5650954/zombies-confirmed-for-call-of-duty-black-ops

<3

-Game Boy, Game Boy Advance and Classic games in 3D on VC service! :D Is there hope for Mother 3 localization yet? :PPoor Game Boy Color, the forgotten middle child.

Poor Game Boy Color, the forgotten middle child.I think it just gets bunched in with "Game Boy" cause it was pretty close to the same thing. sort of like I'd imagine the DSi will be forgotten before long.

Zombiezzz gameplay to be shown October 15th on Gametrailers TV!

Plus Achievements and Trophies spoiled.

http://kotaku.com/5652479/call-of-duty-black-ops-achievement-leak-is-spoiler-city

WHAT IS DEAD OPS ARCADE, MUST KNOW... MUST KNOW

traditional pokemon drawings:
http://blog.livedoor.jp/agraphlog-asamegraph/temp/pokehyaku.html

http://kotaku.com/5652686/beyond-good--evil-in-high-definition-looks-likethis/gallery/

Beyond good and evil is getting a HD re-release.

Now I'm feeling positive about the sequel actually coming out!

Red Dead Redemption zombie teaser
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/debut-teaser-red-dead/705469?type=flv

Awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0_r4-eTmlA&feature=player_embedded

Black Ops customisation trailer- Treyarch FTW!

http://kotaku.com/5652686/beyond-good--evil-in-high-definition-looks-likethis/gallery/

Beyond good and evil is getting a HD re-release.

Now I'm feeling positive about the sequel actually coming out!I can't really tell much of a difference, but I guess the original isn't that old.

Red Dead Redemption zombie teaser
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/debut-teaser-red-dead/705469?type=flv

Awesome

Zombie bears? :eek:
This excites me greatly.

You last logged in 1380 days ago
Oh Runescape, how I missed you!

Yeah, I'm gonna start playing it again. Just for a while. I'll probably start a new account because I pretty much did everything in the (massive) demo version already.

Oh Runescape, how I missed you!

Yeah, I'm gonna start playing it again. Just for a while. I'll probably start a new account because I pretty much did everything in the (massive) demo version already.

Why ?

Because he's crazy.


Why are zombies everywhere these days? Must be the apocolypse.

Because it allows killing without the guilt? :p

Why ?
...Because it's fun?

I... I don't need a reason to play something fun, do I?

Why are zombies everywhere these days? Must be the apocolypse.
Because people prefer to shoot something that doesn't shoot back.

Because it allows killing without the guilt? :p

Since when did people care about that?

Because people prefer to shoot something that doesn't shoot back.


That's just MASTURBATORY gameplay.

Actually, I agree with neither of the points I just made. I'm fine with either of those things, I'm just so sick of zombies now. The whole zombie craze is.... ironically, Dead.

It shall be revived again with the Black Ops zombies. Had many awesome times with zombies on WAW. I almost cried when I found it was back, heh.

It shall be revived again with the Black Ops zombies. Had many awesome times with zombies on WAW. I almost cried when I found it was back, heh.that's because you're a ridiculous fanboy and would find it the most amusing thing in the world if someone came to your house to deliver a copy of CoD by bludgeoning you in the nutsack with the game case. :p

that's because you're a ridiculous fanboy and would find it the most amusing thing in the world if someone came to your house to deliver a copy of CoD by bludgeoning you in the nutsack with the game case. :p

Shadowmoons reaction to the new CoD release would go something like this then. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXasCjUTNpE)

Warning, a little bit NSFW.

that's because you're a ridiculous fanboy and would find it the most amusing thing in the world if someone came to your house to deliver a copy of CoD by bludgeoning you in the nutsack with the game case. :p

I had a reasons to be back. Zombies is back. Not only that, but the Hardened edition of Black Ops which I'll be getting contains the old CoD 5 maps... modernised, re- designed, and probably with loads of new paths and stuff.

Plus there's monkeys in the game. MONKEYS! also you get to proper bling out your guns. Make em your own and all that. Proper stylise them, and even get artistic and create your own. Sweeetttttt!

I don't understand people who think it'll suck.

We don't think i'll suck. We just think it'll be average, it's not really bringing anything new to the table

Zombies was new in CoD 5 WAW, so that's technically new. I've not heard of many games who have a fun round based mode like this, which is actually still been played on WAW.

The first thing you would hear when the game was first announced was "is zombies in?" now that its in, anticipation for the game is even more huge.

Oh yeah and the huge customisation. I don't think many games have that huge customisation to the extent that you can customise your characters look with loads of different face paints etc or that you have more than 200 emblems which you can mix and match to create your own images. Oh and sight reticules. That's new that you can change the reticule of your sight.

Yes no gameplay changes, but why the **** would you mess with something that has always been popular the way it is currently, another thing this in vietnam, which not many games explore

So... Something that was in CoD 5 is new? And the customisation sounds pretty limited. Can you be a goose? No? That's already less customisation than, say, Spore.


I'm pretty indifferent to it to be honest. I don't even know why I'm arguing. I'm not going to stop you buying it or anything. And why should I?

Zombies was new in CoD 5 WAW, so that's technically new.
lol
I've not heard of many games who have a fun round based mode like this, which is actually still been played on WAW.
For this argument to be valid, the game in question must be at least 10 years old and/or three FOUR sequels out of date.
The first thing you would hear when the game was first announced was "is zombies in?" now that its in, anticipation for the game is even more huge.
Zombies were always obviously included. Confirming something everyone knows doesnt create anticipation, fanboys do.
Oh yeah and the huge customisation. I don't think many games have that huge customisation to the extent that you can customise your characters look with loads of different face paints etc or that you have more than 200 emblems which you can mix and match to create your own images. Oh and sight reticules. That's new that you can change the reticule of your sight.
We've been over this...
Yes no gameplay changes, but why the **** would you mess with something that has always been popular the way it is currently,
Like I said before, I actually agree with this bit.

Yes no gameplay changes, but why the **** would you mess with something that has always been popular the way it is currently, another thing this in vietnam, which not many games explore
You mean they took out the variety of killstreaks? The large change in perks? The various extra game modes? The singleplayer? The (supposed) balance?
Man, they were dropped pretty damn quickly!

Or did you just completely forget what constituted as gameplay because you were too preoccupied fawning over how YOU CAN TOTALLY DRESS IN WHITE NOW!?

Or did you not think that I couldn't be arsed to list things I'd already listed quite a few posts ago.

Spore.

Is a PC game.

They have the huge customisation... because... well, you know.

How do you people manage to not get really self-conscious and embarrassed discussing anything with Shadowmoon is beyond me.

To be blunt... Can I have some of whatever you're having?

How do you people manage to not get really self-conscious and embarrassed discussing anything with Shadowmoon is beyond me.

To be blunt... Can I have some of whatever you're having?

What the?

Not much of a new news but the achievement/trophy pictures have been revealed now. They look sweet. http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/call-of-duty-black-ops/achievements/

ALSO: You can now get the 2nd map pack for MW2 for half price (on xbox live) for 600 points.

How do you people manage to not get really self-conscious and embarrassed discussing anything with Shadowmoon is beyond me.Because this thread (and probably previous iterations too) is 111 pages of stupid arguments like this. :p

Is a PC game.
I like the way that you apparently know so little about Black Ops beyond CUSTOM CAMO that you don't know what platforms it'll be on.



Also, I'd love it if Thurbo hated Black Ops and came in here. Now THAT would be entertainment!

I don't care what it has on PC, I know it's on that platform and I don't look for info about the PC version because I care about the xbox one, when I talk about Black Ops it's about the console one! fail.

Oh and it's coming onto your ****ty little wii too.

Oh and it's coming onto your ****ty little wii too.
Pokemon Black (Ops)? :D

I don't care what it has on PC, I know it's on that platform and I don't look for info about the PC version because I care about the xbox one, when I talk about Black Ops it's about the console one! fail.

Oh and it's coming onto your ****ty little wii too.

Wanted to snark at this post so bad, but by the time I hit "quote" I'd ran out of brain cells

I don't care what it has on PC, I know it's on that platform and I don't look for info about the PC version because I care about the xbox one, when I talk about Black Ops it's about the console one! fail.

Oh and it's coming onto your ****ty little wii too.

I think the previous version of this post was funnier.

"HAHAHA I WAS TALKING ABOUT SPORE YOU FAIL"

I think the previous version of this post was funnier.

"HAHAHA I WAS TALKING ABOUT SPORE YOU FAIL"

Oh wow, why lie about something I didn't do you winnert.

Wanted to snark at this post so bad, but by the time I hit "quote" I'd ran out of brain cells

But the wii sucks. Wake up and smell the coffee!

You insulted the Wii and now I think I'm going to cry.

But the wii sucks. Wake up and smell the coffee!once again, you've spectacularly missed the point!

also? Wii is GREAT. for nintendo games. and that's it.

Actually the nintendo games themselves aren't that good. Just Mario Galaxy, Brawl, and Metroid

And also I said that I knew it was on PC, I just didn't really look for info on it, and I'm not getting so I don't CARE about the PC version, so I didn't want it compared to Spore, which is also not an FPS

and Metroidwhoa whoa whoa! did you just call Other M GOOD?!

your opinions are, from this point forward, invalid.

Oh wow, why lie about something I didn't do you winnert.

I didnt lie? That was an almost word-for-word recreation of your post before you edited it.

Also "winnert" isnt a word, its a municipality in the district of Nordfriesland

Weeeell, this is turning out... so wrong.

So to completely change the topic:

Modern puzzle games.
They suck.

Like, really suck.
So much so that I'm convinced they're made bad on purpose, like some sort of awful trend, or maybe trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

I mean think of it like this. Name the two most popular puzzle games at the moment. If you said "Braid" and "Portal", you'd be right! (World Of Goo is an exception being more of an engineering game than a puzzle game)
Now they're both known as great puzzle games and have won several awards. Such as for best innovation, writing, visuals, songs, ending, villain... and absolutely nothing for actual gameplay! (I like to call it the Psyconauts Phenomenon)
And it's because, as puzzle games, they're pants! Braid is fun, but it's a lot more about getting used to the mechanics than it is about actual puzzle-solving, and the way it rapidly changes the mechanics shows that it can't think of enough puzzles with the mechanics it has. And it's pathetically short length is because the puzzles are usually so pathetic they take 5 minutes to figure out. And
Portal just... doesn't have puzzles. Okay, it does - in levels 12 to 18 and a very small part of 19, sandwiched in between completely non-thought obstacles courses. But whereas with Braid it takes 5 minutes a puzzle, with Portal you spend 5 minutes total! Puzzles range from "teleporting behind guns to not get shot" to "realising that balls can change position/direction to hit targets". No exaggeration, that's how hard the "puzzles" are! That latter example is the entire boss puzzle! And considering Portal is a full-team project, that's pathetic!

And the worst part is that all the proper puzzle games get completely overshadowed by "The cake is a lie"! I mean, how many of you have heard about the new Chip's Challenge game (well, Chuck's Challenge, for copyright reasons), or seen someone hyped for the new DROD game coming out?

I... just don't get it! At all! Is it that people want their puzzle games to be beaten in a weekend? Is it that they don't want to have to put proper thought into what they're playing? Is it because puzzle games are just not fun for most people over 12 but reviewers won't admit it? I really don't get it.



whoa whoa whoa! did you just call Other M GOOD?!

your opinions are, from this point forward, invalid.
Aku can only remember the latest game in a series, so try not to confuse him like that.

Your whole argument about puzzle games is pants, plasma. I would pick the holes but with you it's as much of a wasted effort as trying to reason with thurbo and shadowmoon.

Hey Shadowmoon, guess what the Wii, Xbox360, PS3 and PC all have in common? A HDD or equivilant for storing user data :O so why then do the consoles mostly lack customization in most games other then to simplify it for the masses of dumb people?

Hey Shadowmoon, guess what the Wii, Xbox360, PS3 and PC all have in common? A HDD or equivilant for storing user data :O so why then do the consoles mostly lack customization in most games other then to simplify it for the masses of dumb people?the better question is this: why are they spreading the overly-simplified console idiocy to PC games?!

Modern puzzle games suck? Angry Birds has the most downloads and top ratings of any Ipod Touch game for no reason then. Its a gem, and pretty challenging and addictive, and its cheap. Its worth much more than most stuff that are 59 p, or a dollar.

this is so puzzlingA puzzle is a puzzle, whether it's engineering-based, time-based, portal-based, piece-based, etc. Whichever you prefer is up to you.

Anyways you're just looking in the wrong place. Games like Portal and Braid try to be more than just plain "puzzle games", since they're released as full-fledged retail experiences with fancy plot, art, etc. They try to cover all the bases whether you're good at it or not, so they become more mainstream and get a lot more attention.

The kind of puzzle games you seem to want are just a plain list of increasingly-difficult challenges. And those are out there, you just have to look for them. Stuff like DROD (http://drod.caravelgames.com/), Cogs (http://www.cogsgame.com/), Clockwiser (http://www.playclockwiser.com/), etc. They don't get much attention because they're pretty niche, like minigames or timewasters, and you'll probably find them more as handheld or web games as opposed to regular retail.

speaking of puzzle games, is there anywhere I can pick up the original Myst? free download would be nice, but all I see on google is piratebay and questionable alternatives. I'm happy to be legitimate for this, if it'll work on Windows 7.

A puzzle is a puzzle, whether it's engineering-based, time-based, portal-based, piece-based, etc. Whichever you prefer is up to you.

Anyways you're just looking in the wrong place. Games like Portal and Braid try to be more than just plain "puzzle games", since they're released as full-fledged retail experiences with fancy plot, art, etc. They try to cover all the bases whether you're good at it or not, so they become more mainstream and get a lot more attention.

The kind of puzzle games you seem to want are just a plain list of increasingly-difficult challenges. And those are out there, you just have to look for them. Stuff like DROD (http://drod.caravelgames.com/), Cogs (http://www.cogsgame.com/), Clockwiser (http://www.playclockwiser.com/), etc. They don't get much attention because they're pretty niche, like minigames or timewasters, and you'll probably find them more as handheld or web games as opposed to regular retail.
That... makes a lot more sense, actually! I had always thought of most puzzle games more as a singular genre.

speaking of puzzle games, is there anywhere I can pick up the original Myst? free download would be nice, but all I see on google is piratebay and questionable alternatives. I'm happy to be legitimate for this, if it'll work on Windows 7.
Ebay/Amazon. Copies are surprisingly cheap!
You can get the original Myst (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00000JL60/sr=1-3/qid=1286455216/ref=olp_tab_used?ie=UTF8&coliid=&me=&qid=1286455216&sr=1-3&seller=&colid=&condition=used), or you can get the Masterpiece Edition remastering from 2000 that looks a heckuva lot better.
Alternatively, there's realMyst, which is the actually 3D version, and there's the PSP and DS remakes - dunno anything about the PSP one, but the DS one is complete and utter rubbish.

It's not made shareware or abandonware because, as I just said, there are still modern versions being made.

speaking of puzzle games, is there anywhere I can pick up the original Myst? free download would be nice, but all I see on google is piratebay and questionable alternatives. I'm happy to be legitimate for this, if it'll work on Windows 7.GOG has various versions (http://www.gog.com/en/catalogue/#all_genres/search/myst/) for just $5.99.

Speaking of puzzle games Picross3D is pretty great!

GOG has various versions (http://www.gog.com/en/catalogue/#all_genres/search/myst/) for just $5.99.ooooooooo. I like that. will those work on Win 7, do you know? it lists Vista, so I can't see why it wouldn't, but ya know...

ooooooooo. I like that. will those work on Win 7, do you know? it lists Vista, so I can't see why it wouldn't, but ya know...They've only started testing against Win 7 recently so not all games list it yet.

According to the community you'll only need some compatibility settings (http://www.gog.com/en/forum/myst_series/realmyst_fails_to_run_on_windows_7_enterprise_edit ion_64bit) to play it.

Actually, you could define the genre of games like Braid or The Misadventures of P.B. Winterbottom as '4D puzzles'.

So Sonic 4 is pretty good (got it on Ipod Touch) but has a high price for it's length

So Sonic 4 is pretty good
I utterly refuse to believe that!
I mean, I know it changed a lot since the start of the beta, but it was so ridiculously rubbish (http://i39.tinypic.com/nz21ac.gif) that I can't even imagine it possible for it to end up good!

The mine cart level was actually pretty fun for me, no real control issues. I'm on the last zone now, which is pretty awesome, although Shellcracker has been nerfed and hasn't annoyed me so far in the level. Those enemies that throw boomerang blades at you are still pretty annoying.

Anyways the game has been recieving positive reviews too (although I will admit, the music is a mixed bag, and the physics are kind of strange) but it is a good game, just very short for the first episode. Mad Gear and Labyrinth are annoying zones, Casino is just pure fun, apart from the level they shoved in requiring you to get 100,000 points, which is tedious. The bosses have been pretty easy except the one on Labyrinth.

EDIT: Oh dear!

1500 Wii Points for wii
1200 Points for Xbox360
£10 for PS3

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-09-28-sonic-4-episode-1-two-weeks-away

I'll just warn you that the single player adventure won't last very long (I'm already on the last zone, 2 acts away from beating the first episode) its a shame Sega are pricing it so high. I got the game for free since I got it from Installous.

I utterly refuse to believe that!
I mean, I know it changed a lot since the start of the beta, but it was so ridiculously rubbish (http://i39.tinypic.com/nz21ac.gif) that I can't even imagine it possible for it to end up good!They took out the minecart level out of all versions except the iPhone.

So I'm playing Silent Hill 2 for the first time. I've never really been a fan of horror games (or movies, or books), but thus far this game is freaking fantastic. starts off incredibly slow, but once it gets going it's amazing.

Best horror game of all time... OF ALL TIME.

So guys, what do you think is the best thing about the Playstation Move?

If you said "It has buttons", then Sony likes the way you think! (http://yaybuttons.com/)

Best horror game of all time... OF ALL TIME.

WRONG.
Blood was the best horror game of all time.

EDIT:
Also, I can't believe they made a new Sonic game and forgot to make Sonic not move like a crappy gamemaker Sonic.

WRONG.
Blood was the best horror game of all time.

This ^

WRONG.
Blood was the best horror game of all time.
WRONG.
Silent Hill 2 was a work of art and was pant wettingly scary. With a deep story that spanned multiple endings.
Blood wasn't scary. It was just a standard FPS in the vain of Doom that consisted mainly of shooting or stabbing zombies or demons. It was a good game with an awesome selection of weaponry, but I don't think it can hold the title of BEST HORROR GAME OF ALL TIME if it isn't even scary.

Edit: Don't get me wrong though I freakin' loved Blood when I was little.

Way to go Sega for simply bringing back Sonic 2's boss as the final battle. Way to go Ipod for running out in the middle of that boss battle.... grrr!!!

The final act E.G.G Station has you fighting 4 bosses from the 4 main zones, before fighting the Sonic 2 robot.

Sonic 4 EP1 sucks. It is nowhere near worth $10, or even $5, for that matter. Accurate pricing would be about $3 for the App Store version and $5 for the consoles.

The reason the price mainly sucks is because it isn't long enough... and I bet the next episode is pretty challenging. The final bosses on Episode 1 is about as hard as Sonic 3's final boss, and I forgot that I had completed Episode 1 not Sonic 4. Basically, E.G.G station is what you would expect to be the final level of the game.

The controls on the Ipod are annoying and I can see the Xbox360/PS3 one been wayyy better. I might get Sonic 4 on live arcade just for the eye bleedingly nice graphics :p but remember back in the day you had to pay about £30 to get Sonic on your mega- drive, so if you think about it the price is generous.. just not of the Ipod Touch one, a little too much

Bejeweled 2 is like free for a couple of hours or something: http://www.popcap.com/games/bejeweled2/?icid=bej2free_HP_PLARGE_pc_10_10_10...

The link I copied is kinda messed up but it still takes you to the correct website, at least for me. If the offer is not up then you missed it.

If it's bejeweled it's gonna need to be more than a couple of hours

If it's bejeweled it's gonna need to be more than a couple of hours

As in, free to download and keep for the next few hours or something, once you download and activate it it's free forever. Duh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8__PP88BCY- Sonic the hedgehog 4 review, for Xbox360 and PS3. He got it completely right when he said tough last boss.

Also the doubtfulness about the camera's has been solved in Black Ops, because Ninja, 3rd popular perk on MW2 is back and lets you go unnoticed by them. =D

Bejeweled 2 has always been free for a couple hours, I believe since it's release there's been a thing known as a timed demo.

Bejeweled 2 has always been free for a couple hours, I believe since it's release there's been a thing known as a timed demo.

What I meant is that the full game was free for a couple of hours more after I posted that. It was a special offer to conmemorate the 10th anniversary of something and also because it was 10/10/2010. So no it wasn't a timed demo, what I meant was that the offer would only be good for a couple hours more, which I think was actually the rest of that day. I dunno. Offer is down now anyway.

Speaking of which, I didn't download it, but I got a registration code for it anyway. For a rainy day, etc.

Oh, okay then.

Oh, okay then.thank you for this compelling post. your input is invaluable as always.

thank you for this compelling post. your input is invaluable as always.

Mind if I use that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJerWQhMl6k

MOTORBIKES!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJerWQhMl6k

MOTORBIKES!!!!dude. go stalk another game. you've already posted EVERYTHING about that one...

http://g4tv.com/videos/49177/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops---Jungle-Multiplayer-Map-Exclusive/?quality=hd

Jungle map! bloody hell, its pretty realistic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJerWQhMl6k

MOTORBIKES!!!!
Vehicles? In an FPS? I never saw it coming!

http://g4tv.com/videos/49177/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops---Jungle-Multiplayer-Map-Exclusive/?quality=hd

Jungle map! bloody hell, its pretty realistic.
Nnnnnnno, actual jungles tend to consist of more colours than grey and dull green.


Seriously, can you just... stop posting every single update already? We've already firmly established that you're the only one who cares about them.

Nnnnnnno, actual jungles tend to consist of more colours than grey and dull green.

Seriously, can you just... stop posting every single update already? We've already firmly established that you're the only one who cares about them.

+9001

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa224/dash_082/moar%20emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Nnnnnnno, actual jungles tend to consist of more colours than grey and dull green.
Indeed!
There are many other colors too:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4593/disneysthejunglebookpos.jpg

Nnnnnnno, actual jungles tend to consist of more colours than grey and dull green.

I would say green, brown and grey sums it up pretty well actually.
Anything else is a small splash of colour amongst a mass of green leaves, grey/brown dirt and grey/brown tree trunks and branches.

Although the jungle in that video seems very open and accommodating.

Well... here's a campaign level. I think there will be quite a few black ops videos getting leaked this week.

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/708013/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-Kowloon-Single-Player-Campaign-Video---Fight-Russians-in-the-Rain.html

The rain made me think it was set in a pirate ship. Gotta love 1:33.

I would say green, brown and grey sums it up pretty well actually.
Brown? I would love a brown! I'd put my heart and soul into my gun if it meant bringing brown back into this dull monochromatic world!


Why?

Why would they take our brown?

Cavestory Wii has been updated! Woo!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=410217

Music now works as intended, amongst other fixes. :cool::cool::cool:

F'in ace!

Now they've fixed it the euro release should be soon!:cool:

Wait really? People actually play Cavestory Wii? I thought it was compete and utter pants!


Also, for what it's worth, I beat DROD, again. MAN that took a long time to beat!

Wait really? People actually play Cavestory Wii? I thought it was compete and utter pants!


Says the guy who kept playing spore for glod knows how long...

Cavestory wii wasn't pants. The gameplay was more or less intact, the issues were mostly cosmetic(music not looping properly, missing drum tracks and a few typos in the translation), and some people experienced a few crashes. Overall, it was a good enough port and was still as fun as the original.

Sonic Colours, **** yes. Now THIS is the sequel we've been waiting for 12 years.

Don't say that!!!

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/chapter-1-gametrailers-tv/705751

15 minutes of Black Ops stuff! campaign looks amazing

Sonic Colours, **** yes. Now THIS is the sequel we've been waiting for 12 years.
People have been saying that about EVERY to-be-released mainline Sonic game for the last 12 years!

Cavestory wii wasn't pants. The gameplay was more or less intact, the issues were mostly cosmetic(music not looping properly, missing drum tracks and a few typos in the translation), and some people experienced a few crashes. Overall, it was a good enough port and was still as fun as the original.
"Gameplay as good as the free version" is not a plus.
Neither is the ear-aching music, the equally poor dialogue, and the barely-thought-out extra modes.
The only real positive the game had over the PC one is the graphics. And the boss rush mode, for what that's worth.

As long as it is just day levels. I don't see what could go wrong.

Tried Sonic 4 on the Xbox360 which was okay but maybe episode 1 should have had a name, rehash, because its basically a remake of most of Sonic the hedgehog

Don't say that!!!
People have been saying that about EVERY to-be-released mainline Sonic game for the last 12 years!
Watch some gameplay videos...

I'm not saying Sonic Colors is going to be bad, I'm just saying that if Sonic is known for one thing now, it's for managing to create huge levels of hype for its games pre-release while never really delivering. It's wrong to assume that this case of a huge level of hype is automatically an exception.
At least, until non-official gameplay videos surface. They tend to represent the games a whole lot better.

Tried Sonic 4 on the Xbox360 which was okay but maybe episode 1 should have had a name, rehash, because its basically a remake of most of Sonic the hedgehog
Except it's not, is it? It has a ridiculous number of direct references, but it's far from the same game.

I'm not saying Sonic Colors is going to be bad, I'm just saying that if Sonic is known for one thing now, it's for managing to create huge levels of hype for its games pre-release while never really delivering. It's wrong to assume that this case of a huge level of hype is automatically an exception.
At least, until non-official gameplay videos surface. They tend to represent the games a whole lot better.

There's quite a bit of non-official gameplay videos, you just have to look.

http://www.youtube.com/user/WounChannel#p/c/45704482CF0A57CC/21/UIoRd1oBuR4

I'm not saying Sonic Colors is going to be bad, I'm just saying that if Sonic is known for one thing now, it's for managing to create huge levels of hype for its games pre-release while never really delivering. It's wrong to assume that this case of a huge level of hype is automatically an exception.
At least, until non-official gameplay videos surface. They tend to represent the games a whole lot better.


Except it's not, is it? It has a ridiculous number of direct references, but it's far from the same game.

Have you actually played it? Splash Hill and Mad Gear is the same old, same old. Casino Zone too, Labyrinth zone introduced pretty cool new stuff though.

And the last boss I'm not going to lie is hard. If it was on the old Sonic with the instant game over haha start again from the beginning it would be regarded as one of the hardest and frustrating bosses. Thank god for infinite continues, because this would be a real challenge otherwise. And the Ipod Touch's weird controls does not help in any way.

There's quite a bit of non-official gameplay videos, you just have to look.

http://www.youtube.com/user/WounChannel#p/c/45704482CF0A57CC/21/UIoRd1oBuR4
Oh. Alright.
And apparently the reviews are in too. I... guess I've been really out of the loop lately.

Carry on with your hype then!

"Gameplay as good as the free version" is not a plus.
Neither is the ear-aching music, the equally poor dialogue, and the barely-thought-out extra modes.
The only real positive the game had over the PC one is the graphics. And the boss rush mode, for what that's worth.

The music was broken.

This is what gravity sounded like before the recent update: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY52Zyc7YUo

This is what it sounds like now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWCCOnTXN48

Personally, I think the original version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9cRwcdkF7M) is superior, but at least the new stuff is actually listenable now!

They also fixed the looping issues with the original music so there's that.

"Gameplay as good as the free version" is not a plus.
Neither is the ear-aching music, the equally poor dialogue, and the barely-thought-out extra modes.
The only real positive the game had over the PC one is the graphics. And the boss rush mode, for what that's worth.

It was nothing more than a port with enhanced graphics, by that standard it did a good enough job, the game was as enjoyable as the original. With the fixes it is now pretty much perfect. I could understand if you argue the value of such a port when the original is free, but for some of us it has value. I'm just happy to be able to offer some sort of retribution to Pixel, because he honestly deserves it.

Also, the boss rush mode was also available through mods in the PC version, and it was honestly much better than how it was done in the wii version...



edit: "We should know if it passed EU testing in a week or two. We don't want to keep Europe waiting. Sorry it's taken this long. - posted on 16/10/2010 15:10:12" Nicalis, via twitter.

And apparently there's a DSi version on the way. :O

Wait really? People actually play Cavestory Wii? I thought it was compete and utter pants!

much like your posting

http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=rqt2nrstl8u7

The only Capcom Crossover game I've ever been excited about.