I don't know why, I don't know how, but there seem to be rumors of OD going on... luckily I'm thrustworthy enough to the forumers for them to come and tell me about it :p

Long ago, the first person that came asking me about it on MSN was Made In. I think someone told him about it, sort of a rumour, don't remember who, but he made no biggie about it.

More recently, Cyclaws has also gotten such a rumour. I can't find the log (I blame Live Messenger), but he said "I suspect that's where all the fads are coming from". He seemed quite set in doing everything to find out about it, even though I acted as ambivalent as possible. I also told him about Made In, so I think now he suspects Made In is part of the whole thing :p

I have no clue what you are talking about..

Does it really matter if they find out though? No-one is going to get in unless they're approved by us in OD and Sel.

I also got a PM from Cyclaws about something similar, although it actually turned out to be nothing. He was using it as an excuse to try and find out more information about "secret mod forums"

Does it really matter if they find out though? No-one is going to get in unless they're approved by us in OD and Sel.Yes, but if forumers bother artists so much just to get cameos, how much do you think they'd bother us and/or Sel to get in?

If anyone asks again, just tell them that there is a "secret circle" that has a direct access to T17's beer reserve.
But you are only accepted if you have an approved guzzling record of 17 pints in an hour.
Tell them that the secret circle is called "Outrageous Drunk-heads".

Or someone could make a really crappy geocities site, called the "T17 ILUMINATY", where fads are posted, and accidentally let it leak into the community.

Or someone could make a really crappy geocities site, called the "T17 ILUMINATY", where fads are posted, and accidentally let it leak into the community.
Very nice idea! :D

I think we've killed the definition of "accidentally" by now :p

Hehhe I just remember that time someone made a thread about this subject and it ended up with everyone posting fake screenshots of secret forums about themselves :p

Someone told me that there was a secret forum on T17 before I was let in; they'd seen it when there was a glitch.

Can someone just reveal all conspiracys here and now?

Conspiracies: Illuminati, Cold War, Roswell, Sky Station.

Not conspiracies: Moon landing, Scientology, Michael Jackson.

Not sure: Gravity, The Internet.

The moon landing was sooooooo fake.

Don't make me get Bad Astronomy out at you.

Hey...look who's back... (not that i've been here that much anyway)...

There're definitely some rumors about it... i've just been approached by Superblob wanting to start his own avatar Fad thingy. In his own words: "To get as many people as i can, using this avatar and writting this on the name"... then he told me to use his own avatar and started to talking about the avatar fads and someone telling "you can't use it cause you weren't there" and stuff..

Of course i told him nothing about it, but the avatar got people a little more alert...

Now... if you guys think the rumors are going too far, you could start making fake screenshots and some stuff like that in order to turn this into a big joke... then no one would believe it really exists... again... :)

How we all agree when someone tries to persuade us to do an avatar fad of their own, and then proceed by not doing it anyway?

The moon landing was sooooooo fake.

That's just a childish fad.

It's HIS childish fad. Don't try to take it away from him, it's all he has left. And all he has right, too. Not sure about the middle bit.

[OD IS REAL!!!!! (http://www.geocities.com/od_is_real/)]
Someone needs to somehow slip this link in amongst the FanArtists. Subtley.

Well none of us can accidently release the link because wouldn't know about the link if the site was true.

We need someone's brother/sister/girlfriend/boyfriend to release the link claiming to be the author, maybe posting it in the website thread. There it's not int he limelight but someone will see it and will spread like wild-fire through MSN.

I recommend against dropping that link anywhere because even though it might appear to originate from a species of lesser intelligence, it could backfire and convince some people that the mysterious OD does exist. It's also a bit too close to the truth and bit forced. If you want to make it look severely amateur you need to include at least one animated GIF and build it using a template. The italic and bold Times is quite realistic, however.

All we need do is actively post in the other forums and maintain enthusiastic innocence. No point in glossing over the truth 'cause while it may make it appear normal it leaves a horrible shiny finish. Like a fake wall in Superfrog ("Let's go through!"). The best disguises are the ones that you don't actually know exist, which doesn't help you much in obtaining that state but gives you an idea of what to expect the end result to be like.

[OD IS REAL!!!!! (http://www.geocities.com/od_is_real/)]
Someone needs to somehow slip this link in amongst the FanArtists. Subtley.
Brilliant, man :D

Although i think you could've kept the name of this subsection in secret...putting some other fake/noobish/idiotic name...:P

Lol that site it awesome.

...
I'll take a picture of a drawing I'll make....and I'll have that site on my computer screen in the background. Would that work? :p

But then you'll be seen to know the address of the site - We, as ODers, aren't supposed to know about the site.

Edit: Damn, I know what we should've done - Used OD as an April Fool. We could've used some real screenshots and make people think they're edited.

Yeah! TEH TRUTH IS OUT THERE ON THE FOREUM!!! ºoº

Brilliant.

Does anyone here want the original HTML file so they can embelish it a bit? You can then send it back to mew and I'll upload it to the Geocities site.

Hmmm... how to respond to this?
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=493217&postcount=674

Hmmm... how to respond to this?
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=493217&postcount=674
You don't. :p
or...go along with it, and make it seem like its a very unlikely thing.

Hmmm... how to respond to this?
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=493217&postcount=674
Simple: You delete it because all the posts surrounding it are spam :D

Perfectly valid reason with absolutely no suspicion


And for the record, this is what Cisken1 wrote:

NOTE TO MODERATORS: I KNOW ABOUT THE SECRET FORUM! :eek:

What's wrong with the mods having a secret forum? We've got to plot somewhere :D

Anyway, we discuss things that are kept secret even from OD ;) :p

Simple: You delete it because all the posts surrounding it are spam :DAnd because I reported it. ;)

This is becoming fun, stopping that sort of stupid chains as soon as possible. I did that on another thread, then I saw Sel, and then it was gone. THE POWER!

Anyway, we discuss things that are kept secret even from OD ;) :p

I NEW THEAR WAS SEEKERETS ON THE FORM

Actually, my original idea for the crappy geocities site was to make it look like WE ran it, but in reality a conspiracy site was a much better idea.

Again, I recommend against adding fuel to the fire.

Again, I recommend against adding fuel to the fire.

What's the worst that could happen?

What's the worst that could happen?
PETITIONS. :eek:
And because I reported it.
Thanks for that.
Though it did mess the post that was actually preserved up.
NOTE TO EVERYONE: WORMGOD'S THE ANTICHRIST.
But I fixed that.

What's the worst that could happen?
The morons on the board accept the existence of OD as fact without evidence and the place becomes abusive. I'd like to see the sanctity of OD preserved, so tempting fate isn't a good idea.

I still think it's definitely best for everybody that OD remain secret. We should be trying to minimalize suspicion, not tempt people.

You know what I realised a bit ago?

If they found out about OD, what could be done? We could tell them it had been shut down because they'd found out about it and how would they know if it had? We could tell them it's real and how could they check? Whether or not OD exists is irrelevant -- it's like asking whether God exists; most people never bother to include that factor when they choose a religion to follow.

If we're going to tell them there's something secret that they can't access, why not just make something up?

We could really make anything up. They find out that there is a section of the forum that they do not have access to, and the rest of the forum isn't good enough anymore.

That's not a bad idea actually. We could use that website and post a few screenshots up there, then say it was closed down. It would probably work actually.

Really, I imagine "Subforum where we make avatar fads and mock the rest of the forum" is far-fetched enough to be unbelieveable.

I assume the "We hate aku" subforum would be too old now?

We are getting pretty close to making him either give up on art or improve. So it's a win-win :p

Just noticed this.
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17885&page=15
Look near the bottom.
OH NO. (Not really.)

Just noticed this.
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17885&page=15
Look near the bottom.
OH NO. (Not really.)What am I looking for?

What am I looking for?

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=273825&postcount=598

I think

That wasn't on the page he linked to...


Oh, wait, just add "&perpage=40" to the end of the URL.

Damn hippie communist non-standard posts-per-page viewers ;)

It's you crazy conformists that do not desire the true bliss of as many posts per page as possible :mad:

It's you crazy conformists that do not desire the true bliss of as many posts per page as possible :mad:
* agrees *

It's you crazy conformists that do not desire the true bliss of as many posts per page as possible :mad:
[This is much better (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=28652&page=49&perpage=1)]

Yeeees .

* agrees *
* ditto *

Look Splapp! Your thread is 3514 pages long (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18936&page=88&perpage=1)!
But yes, 40 posts per page is the real way to do it.

Look Splapp! Your thread is 3514 pages long (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18936&page=88&perpage=1)!
But yes, 40 posts per page is the real way to do it.
YESSSSS! I WIN CHRISTMAS! :)

YESSSSS! I WIN CHRISTMAS! :)
Paul wins: http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8037&page=8659&pp=1

Paul wins: http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8037&page=8659&pp=1
I WIN BOXING DAY! :p

Boxing Day si to Christmas what Canada is to America.

Canawhat?

(that's a joke, lolol)

Boxing Day si to Christmas what Canada is to America.You can buy medicines cheaper?

I guess that sort of works...

I'm feeling like some sort of double-agent.

Anyways, Cyclaws just sent me this. It's rather old, but I still wonder where he got it from.

Judging by the dates of those posts, I'd say it was probably a dig production, since I seem to remember him getting removed from OD shortly after then.

Edit:

Scrap that.

Look at the "Users Browsing this forum" - odds on it being Mr.Lee

Look at the "Users Browsing this forum" - odds on it being Mr.Lee
I was going to say him even before I saw that. Didn't he get banned or banned from OD for distributing screenshots or something like that?

I'm feeling like some sort of double-agent.

Anyways, Cyclaws just sent me this. It's rather old, but I still wonder where he got it from.
My thread which is on that screenshot seems to explain it... http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=9835

I was going to say him even before I saw that. Didn't he get banned or banned from OD for distributing screenshots or something like that?
Banned from OD.

I still recall that time Blinx flipped out and nearly got himself banned from OD too.

He hasn't been around for quite some time now, has he?

He has, he's just not very active online nowadays.

And again...
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29172

Okay, who's the friend he's talking about? :p

*extracts the information from his mind*

Damn! Mental shielding. This guy is good!

And again...
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29172
I've got a kind of gut feeling that Whistle is actually someone else, already registered on the forum...

His only post is asking why we don't have an Open Discussion forum - that just seems a little strange to me...

I've got a kind of gut feeling that Whistle is actually someone else, already registered on the forum...

His only post is asking why we don't have an Open Discussion forum - that just seems a little strange to me...
Can you check the IP address used for that post?

I can't - I've asked Sel if he can (you can run an IP check and it'll display all users with identical and maybe similar IP's), but we won't know the result until at least Monday.

And again...
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29172
Nicely covered, folks.

Yeah, that was great. Hopefully that put it to bed. That thread can be used in future.

Mind you, that's still not the true account of the early T17F.

The old old oldwas excellent. It contained the thread "What's the BEST Cereal?", among other things.

I wish I'd been there more often in the early days. Do you see? Thomas' deviation on the truth convinced me.

I could have sworn that the old Open Discussion was just renamed as Online Orgy.:-/

I could have sworn that the old Open Discussion was just renamed as Online Orgy.:-/
Nah, it just got removed.


Also, things might not be going as swimmingly as we initially thought with Whistle - he PMed me and said he was going to ask his friend to show him this forum.

*Quickly removes any evidence that one 'thomasp' ever posted here*

I could have sworn that the old Open Discussion was just renamed as Online Orgy.:-/Originally there were two Open Discussions, though. Team 17 Open Discussion and Worms Open Discussion. The former (the home of cereal, among other things) was deleted, the latter became... something. May have been Related Discussion rather than Online Orgy.

Which reminds me, that was another forum that got scrapped, Related Discussion.

EDIT: Hang on, I have my FAQs, the fossil record of the Team 17 Forum

Right:

Worms Open Discussion became Open Discussion became Game Discussion and Related Discussion. Related Discussion eventually became Online Orgy.

Perhaps a diagram would help?

27555

EDIT: I've also prepped an "outside OD version" if ever we need it

27556

Perhaps a diagram would help?

27555

EDIT: I've also prepped an "outside OD version" if ever we need it

27556
So, you're staying away from the forum to work for uni?

Waiting for a reply to an e-mail. May as well have some fun in the meantime.

Although yes, maybe I should go off and do work.

Although yes, maybe I should go off and do work.
Or polish those 2 diagrams a bit.

if whistle truely has a friend with access... they must be on the list of people...

Maybe we just need to interigate / torture all the unknowns to find out who it is?

Yay witch hunt!!!

torture all the unknowns
Uh-oh ...

Uh-oh ...
HA! Confess!

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20192 - nobody really suspicious on there...

With a bit of luck, he'll produce the same screenshot that was mentioned earlier, I think relating to Cyclaws. That way, we can just disprove it from the dates, as I conveniently said in that locked thread that Whistle created that Open Discussion was binned 2 years ago - and that screenshot is almost 3 years old.

Next time someone slyly mention "another Team17 forum" and instead of immediately jumping to the non-existent OD, they'll think of Dream17 and we'll get more D17 forumers...

...maybe.

Uhhhh, i was in a mass convo on MSN earlier, and Iguana drew this. :confused:

27661

Either he's just randomly drawn it and hit the nail on the head without knowing, or he somehow knows...

Wouldn't be surprised at all if they knew. So many screenshots have been released and you can just check the Who's Online anyway. If there's someone "Viewing Thread" which doesn't have a name, it's in a 'secret' forum.

27662

Why are you not using the Retro skin yet?

retro skin makes me feel chlostrophobic?

Uhhhh, i was in a mass convo on MSN earlier, and Iguana drew this. :confused:

27661

Either he's just randomly drawn it and hit the nail on the head without knowing, or he somehow knows...I'm sure I've already explained this:

A while back now, for a brief period between being an irritating newbie and an irritating pillock, Iguana was actually quite a decent poster and was one of my candidates for OD entry. So when he managed to guess the existence of OD in an MSN conversation with me, I had to admit it.

Given I swore him to secrecy, we seem to have a problem on our hands. He has asked me several times since then as to when he will be admitted to OD, and given his regression I feel somewhat unable to sponsor him for an OD place now. I did apologise before.

Huh.
I thought that revealing the existence of a private OD forum to the public wouldn't actually be that bad, but seeing as Iguana is actually asking you when he'll be admitted, and imagining an entire forum asking us that... I think that I'll totally reverse my opinion of that subject now.

Why are you not using the Retro skin yet?I imagine he was logged out at the time. How else could he take a screenshot from a world in which OD is hidden?

Why are you not using the Retro skin yet?
I logged out because there was no-one else online who had access to OD. The Who's Online bit updates every minute or so, so I was hoping it would still have me on there, but it didn't. However I noticed you were online so it didn't matter.

I logged out because there was no-one else online who had access to OD. The Who's Online bit updates every minute or so, so I was hoping it would still have me on there, but it didn't. However I noticed you were online so it didn't matter.
Yeah, if you log out you're removed from Who's Online. If you load up a different browser or XP user account you can be logged in and logged out at the same time, sort of thing, and watch yourself doing things you aren't authorised to know about.

Huh.
I thought that revealing the existence of a private OD forum to the public wouldn't actually be that bad, but seeing as Iguana is actually asking you when he'll be admitted, and imagining an entire forum asking us that... I think that I'll totally reverse my opinion of that subject now.
If it does get known to the public, we might enforce some rule such as "nagging equals no access" or something similar.

I'll admit the *******. Just let me get my white coat. Paul you should know the unwashed aren't trustworthy.

If it does get known to the public, we might enforce some rule such as "nagging equals no access" or something similar.
I always had that as backup.

Plus, that works great when people ask to be mods :D


Asking to come in is an excellent way of having the door slammed hard in your face.

We should announce that there really is a secret form and post some screenshots.

Next April.

We should announce that there really is a secret form and post some screenshots.

Next April.
Should they be screenies of OD?

Well, maybe slightly sillier versions of OD. And we should put a few non-OD names in there. I think if we plan it for ten months we can pull off the best joke ever.

I'll admit the *******. Just let me get my white coat. Paul you should know the unwashed aren't trustworthy.Well, you know me. I've been an optimist ever since I joined the community.

Well, maybe slightly sillier versions of OD. And we should put a few non-OD names in there. I think if we plan it for ten months we can pull off the best joke ever.
It shouldn't take too much. We just grab the index page and a thread and edit all of the text. Then we take some screens.

Also we should add some subforums on highly specific and rather stupid topics.

And not forgetting the customary "Who shall the admins ban next?" thread, with a very, very large number of posts.

And not forgetting the customary "Who shall the admins ban next?" thread, with a very, very large number of posts.
Rename the 100% off-topic thread?

No, keep that, and leave it as "100% Off-topic deckchair".

I'm talking like 20,000 posts...

Better start postin', then!

Or, we do the whole lot the cheats' way and create a fake webpage and screenshot it :D

Copy the HTML source code from the forum, cut out unnecessary scripts, change the image URL's and job done.

That works, too!

I made a fake screenshot before by simply saving the main forum page, images, then editing it in notepad, saved it, loaded it up, then typed http://forum.team17.co.uk/index.php in the address bar.

You could add something quite subtle to the people online by adding people who no-one has ever heard of and who haven't visited the forum since about 2002 or something, and make the date 2005. It's the subtle things which work because whoever finds it thinks they've found something they weren't meant to find.

Don't forget the name of the person who's logged in and viewing it. That could be fun if it was the name of someone important, influential and/or highly-respected.

I'm just going to admit it...I am sorry...but I may have told this girl who never gets on the internet, let alone worm forums that there may be a secret forum on the Team17 forum. She looked at me like I was crazy. :D

But yeah...it felt GREAT! Perahps tommarow I should give my grandmother a call and just explain everything to her. :eek:

I'm just going to admit it...I am sorry...but I may have told this girl who never gets on the internet, let alone worm forums that there may be a secret forum on the Team17 forum. She looked at me like I was crazy. :D
That will happen, yes. I tell them I'm a set backing singer. I've found it's far more effective.

Lay off on the admissions, that's my final warning. This is all a bit of fun but like I've said, continual ignorance is the best bet. Preserve the sacredness.

Is the message an outsider gets when trying to view a (linked) post inside of OD the same as trying to view a deleted post?

It just says you don't have access to that specific part of the forum.

It just says you don't have access to that specific part of the forum.
In both cases?

I've never tried to view a deleted post. :p

i think it says 'the thread you have specified no longer exists' or something along those lines:

edit:

No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator

Ok I am happily playing MxO when suddenly I get an in-game email from someone, telling me to come back to the T17 forums and post a recent screenshot of OD so it can be made public and deleted.

So what can I take from all this? WTF?

Any idea who it was? Were they using the name "Whistle"?

telling me to come back to the T17 forums and post a recent screenshot of OD so it can be made public and deleted.I trust you asked him what was in it for you.

Also, long time no see :).

Just tell them to **** off.

Just tell them to **** off.
But don't censor yourself like the forum does.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7073/gd0br.png

Of course, I haven't given it to anyone and I've changed basically all of it.

I think someone's messing with us, just noticed this on the forum, I'm guessing it's new :\
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5984/wtf5dq.jpg

That's what announcements are for: http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29315

I suggested it to Sel :D

That's what announcements are for: http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29315
Yes I only noticed that slightly after having posted here.

Well I told them to bugger off, apparently Cyclaws is behind this little mission to destroy OD. I suppose Mad's saying was true after all "You can never leave"....I try to go but they just keep pulling me back in...

IF I CANNOT HAVE IT, NOBODY SHOULD HAVE IT

Does he think that exposing OD to the rest of the forum is enough for Sel to delete OD? If anything, he'll make an announcement that says "Thanks to Cyclaws' efforts, OD is no longer inviting anyone" and turn the community against him, or something.

There's always secret moderator forums ;) (who says there only has to be one....)

I honestly don't know what would happen if someone exposed OD - not that much would happen since there are a good few subforums here that regular members don't have access to (heck, I think there's a couple I don't even have access to!!). There are a number of options:

1. OD goes - completely. Taking some of the older members who remain with it.
2. OD becomes a free-for-all - I don't think this would happen, since it would be a pain to moderate.
3. The leaker gets "Removed"
4. We lie like mad and attempt to cover it up.
5. OD stays as it is, only nobody else is ever allowed in again.
6. OD becomes "public knowledge", and we have the occasional voting session where we get to allow new members in. BUT if they ask to come in, they are never allowed!

There's always secret moderator forums
Well, Andrew Taylor and you should use those secret forums then to arrange what threads you close and what threads you link to. ;)
1. OD goes - completely. Taking some of the older members who remain with it.
2. OD becomes a free-for-all - I don't think this would happen, since it would be a pain to moderate.
3. The leaker gets "Removed"
4. We lie like mad and attempt to cover it up.
5. OD stays as it is, only nobody else is ever allowed in again.
6. OD becomes "public knowledge", and we have the occasional voting session where we get to allow new members in. BUT if they ask to come in, they are never allowed!
7. We proclaim that Cyclaws has weapons of mass destruction and invade his house. People will perhaps forget the reason afterwards.

Just lie, lie, lie, lie, lie and lie again. Claim complete ignorance and it will go away. And don't be doofuses while you're at it by saying things like "Oh I don't know what you mean by hidden forum because I certainly do not know nothing no sir and neither does worMatty, so don't ask him."

I'd also like to add to that: Do not go over the top. The last reaction to OD in that Online Orgy thread, I felt was over the top. The thread was closed for one thing, secondly it was closed quite quickly and thirdly I felt there was too much denial about OD. If you keep it all natural, it looks right but from looking at it from their point of view it seems like you're trying to cover it up.

Next time something like this happens, let the thread run for a bit longer and don't all flood into the thread to say it doesn't exist. What also stood out was that WorMatty posted in it - I don't believe you post outside of OD much. It all makes it seem odd.

Well, Andrew Taylor and you should use those secret forums then to arrange what threads you close and what threads you link to. ;)

That's what happens when you don't actually click on the redirect link in the thread...

And, that's what happens when you don't concentrate when moderating :p

And, that's what happens when you don't concentrate when moderating :p
Perhaps you too are moderating drunk?

Perhaps you too are moderating drunk?
Nah, I'm a boring teetotaler :p

Anyway, we're going off topic....

You're right, Andy. I shouldn't have posted in that thread, I thought exactly what you just said. But then I thought "Hmm, I better post something before another ODer drops us in it." If the thread is sufficiently old enough, I'll delete my post.

EDIT: Arses. Thomas, Andrew?

It doesn't matter any more, it's been brushed under the carpet. When people look back at the thread they won't realise you didn't post "out there" much, they'll just assume you did.

Red alert, thanks to FutureWorm: http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=505414&postcount=63

Edit: I did this once long ago, and managed to pass it off as a forum glitch after deleting and re-uploading the image...

*Lies through his teeth*

Wow, nice. That was like a negative reaction time.

fantastic cover

Red alert, thanks to FutureWorm: http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=505414&postcount=63

Edit: I did this once long ago, and managed to pass it off as a forum glitch after deleting and re-uploading the image...
Shít. Sorry, guys.

Good cover, all of you.

Also might want to stop linking to other people's sites in OD or stop parsing links in text so owners don't track back in their referral logs. Text links for copy and pasting would be fine.

Hopefully they don't realise that the real error is "Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator"

Hopefully they don't realise that the real error is "Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator"
I was worried about that too.

Hopefully they don't realise that the real error is "Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator"
That depends where the attachments go when they are "deleted" ;)

Great cover, Thomas.
Though I'm sure that Cyclaws will use it as evidence in the GREAT FORUM WARZ.

Dang, Alien King's annoying :mad:

Hopefully a thread-deletion threat will shut them up for a while.

A thread-deletion threat for which thread now?

Zero's comic thread :eek:
But those posts have already been deleted and stuff, so things are safe now I think...

A thread-deletion threat for which thread now?
Yep - Zero's thread in FanArt.

But those posts have already been deleted and stuff, so things are safe now I think...

I removed them last night. The thread "was going off topic";)

I need to know: What is the extent of knowledge of OD?

I need to know: What is the extent of knowledge of OD?
They fear that we control their daily life.
Just like we fear that we are controlled by them.

Well, we know for certain that Iguana knows, but how many others is anyone's guess. I don't think Iguana would tell anyone, but he has been acting a bit rebellious lately.

I actually think he already told all that marshmellow people...

The question is how much iguana knows...

*passes out silenced submachine guns*

My feeling is, until someone actually posts saying OD exists (and has proper facts to back it up) AND asks to come in, we keep quiet.

When the above happens, make it "public knowledge" and say that a guaranteed way of not being allowed in is to ask to have access.


If anyone mentions OD - DO NOT reply to the thread denying it or trying to cover it up (or even confirming its existance). Just report the thread and either myself, AT or Sel will deal with it in the most appropriate way possible. If you try to deny the existance of OD, you just make it look like you're covering something up, which means more mess for us mods to clear up.

Also, don't go posting links to attachments posted in OD ;)

If you delete threads or posts you will help to confirm the truth in their eyes. I believe the best course of action is to ignore all challenges and let them die. This includes not replying to threads or posts about OD, even if asked to, and when directly challenged outside of the forum, say "Secret forum? I'm not aware there is one but hey, that's a good idea! Maybe we should ask Sel to create one for us?" Turn the conversation around.

or get sel to post saying it doesnt exist... a post for the T17 crew generally has a habbit of sinking in eventually...

Is he referring to the OD forum?
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29439

I deleted my post in that thread. Too many explanations seems suspicious.

Is he referring to the OD forum?
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29439
No. Check the subforum its in.

I think Cyclaws has a pretty good idea of OD. Or at least he's the only one with screenshots.

Akuryou clearly knows judging by his very quick reaction (and tone, if that's possible in a post) when FW posted the link to an attachment in here. He clearly wasn't baffled by the error but instead wanted us to cough up what he already knew.

Akuryou clearly knows judging by his very quick reaction (and tone, if that's possible in a post) when FW posted the link to an attachment in here. He clearly wasn't baffled by the error but instead wanted us to cough up what he already knew.
If Akuryou and Cyclaws know, then why don't they shout it from the rooftops? Or do they realise that they don't have all the facts and don't want to make total idiots of themselves.

If I remember, Cyclaws' screenshot is pretty old (from the post dates on it), so if he ever posts that we "could" argue that it was simply of the original 'Open Discussion'. However, with that comment, I refer you back to this post (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=506519&postcount=164)

Also, if it does need some replying, don't storm the thread with cover-ups. One or two quick responses to clear up will be less suspicious than all of us posting long descriptions about everything.

It's also worth considering REVEALING OD. People people, please, sit down. Hear me out.

We don't want people that are angry crapping up threads trying to get us to reveal OD, and we generally go a bit overboard when trying to cover it up. If we just throw knowledge of it out there, with a few rules, then perhaps (but not definitely), it could restore a bit more order to the board.

Rules like, "If you ask to get in, you don't get in" would be helpful. The problem is, certian people in the Fan Art forum will only follow rules if they are bolded and followed by a series of exclamation points (and even then rules will sometimes be ignored). Just let it be known that if you DESERVE to get in, you will get in eventually. If you aren't in, try to be a better poster/keep up the good work/etc.

There's a chance that it may IMPROVE the rest of the forum, with people trying to post better in order to gain acceptance into our little circle of elite. But there's the chance that it backfires, with people saying "LET ME IN2 OD PLZ". Along with the announcement we should say that Cyclaws is never allowed in OD ever :3.

GTFO n00B >: ((((

yA SRSLY :@

It will probably come out eventually, and there's no point revealing it before it is necessary.

It's also worth considering REVEALING OD. People people, please, sit down. Hear me out.

We don't want people that are angry crapping up threads trying to get us to reveal OD, and we generally go a bit overboard when trying to cover it up. If we just throw knowledge of it out there, with a few rules, then perhaps (but not definitely), it could restore a bit more order to the board.

Rules like, "If you ask to get in, you don't get in" would be helpful. The problem is, certian people in the Fan Art forum will only follow rules if they are bolded and followed by a series of exclamation points (and even then rules will sometimes be ignored). Just let it be known that if you DESERVE to get in, you will get in eventually. If you aren't in, try to be a better poster/keep up the good work/etc.

There's a chance that it may IMPROVE the rest of the forum, with people trying to post better in order to gain acceptance into our little circle of elite. But there's the chance that it backfires, with people saying "LET ME IN2 OD PLZ". Along with the announcement we should say that Cyclaws is never allowed in OD ever :3.
My feeling is: only do that when we absolutely need to. It could make things worse before it makes them better.

Why reveal OD? Why not just keep on ignoring and denying? I think some of you are imagining a threat which isn't there. Why take away the secrecy of this place? It will never be necessary to reveal it.

And it's much more fun this way.

Ignorance is bliss.

If Akuryou and Cyclaws know, then why don't they shout it from the rooftops? Or do they realise that they don't have all the facts and don't want to make total idiots of themselves.

If I remember, Cyclaws' screenshot is pretty old (from the post dates on it), so if he ever posts that we "could" argue that it was simply of the original 'Open Discussion'. However, with that comment, I refer you back to this post (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=506519&postcount=164)
If they post a thread about it, they risk being watched or being banned. In any case, what good would posting a thread do? It's obvious we're trying to cover it up, they may just assume the thread will just be deleted, although I think the latter is the better reason. There have been enough screenshots (probably about 3 or so). Some of those who know (probably those like Iguana) will be telling other newer members like psyke, Plasma (not naming them in particular but they've been around this forum for a while now).

Plasma

if he gets anywhewhere NEAR..... oh good shank no....

Of course, it would be simple enough to make a dummy OD forum, move some of the more rubbish threads there, open that up to everyone saying "look, here it is. Go nuts" and then close it a week later because it was so horrendous in there.

fantastic idea. I like it.. then we can go nuts at them for loosing us a realy good forum.

fantastic idea. I like it.. then we can go nuts at them for loosing us a realy good forum.
Ehrm... Not if we pretend that OD was a crappy forum, and declassify only the stupid threads in a dummy forum.

Of course, it would be simple enough to make a dummy OD forum, move some of the more rubbish threads there, open that up to everyone saying "look, here it is. Go nuts" and then close it a week later because it was so horrendous in there.
And then they'd start kicking up a fuss because it was our threads, not their threads which got the forum locked. Then they'd probably ask for OD to return without the members who got it closed.

Well, guys, look at it this way. If you were a regular and you had an inkling that a secret forum might exist, and you could imagine its criteria, wouldn't you aspire to be someone who would fit in here?

If you were Cyclaws, you would just whine about it.

If you were Cyclaws, you would just whine about it.
That's true of almost any noun you care to mention.

Y HELLO THAR

Cyc knows for sure as he is attempting to shut OD down, so be weary of him padawan......

Ban him, delete his account and all his posts, and deny he ever existed.

It's the only solution.

Even if OD is revealed, there's no reason at all why it would be shut down. However the perpetrator should at least be put on Being Watched, probably banned, IMO.

I'm personally very fond of the idea of opening up a false OD forum with some threads from here, like those fad ones...

And then maybe shut it out after a while... i think that would convince them... :rolleyes:

Why bother? What's wrong with keeping this place a secret?

Keep this place a secret.

Unless circumstances arise where we have to reveal it - like a large number of members posting a large number of threads about it. In which case, put them on Watched for spamming and say there is a "general chit-chat" forum, but it is invite only.

And heavily stress that by asking to come in will make sure you are never allowed in.


Let's deal with Cyclaws IF and WHEN he reveals OD. Don't tempt him into doing anything. He's Been Watched once, and I'm not sure he'd like to Be Watched again.

One of you has been breaking the first rule of Fight Club...

One of you has been breaking the first rule of Fight Club...
Which is....

Please englighten me, Oh Knowledgeable One.

Which is....

Please englighten me, Oh Knowledgeable One.
*sigh*

The first rule of Fight club is: You do not talk about Fight Club.
The second rule of Fight club is: You do not talk about Fight Club.

Seriously, watch that film. It's excellent. And it's not often I say that about something that involves Meatloaf.

Why bother? What's wrong with keeping this place a secret?
I said i'm fond of the idea of creating a dummy OD if this one gets completely leaked beyond all possibility or repair...

I still say we maintain ignorance 'til the end.

Keep it a secret. Never confirm or deny its existence again.
Unless the forum software somehow f*cks up or someone deliberately leaks info, none of the outsiders can really do something.
Getting them watched is also unnecessary.

Just look at George W. Bush and how he handles his Skull & Bones membership.
Hmm... well, not the best example (http://www.prisonplanet.com/020904presidentquizzed.html)...

If people spam the forums with useless info about OD, then they'll get watched for spamming- just the same as if they posted a large quantity of other useless posts.

I also have a strange desire to move this thread (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=25193) into OD and not move it back out...

I also have a strange desire to move this thread (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=25193) into OD and not move it back out...
Go for it!
We want all the cool sub-forums for our elite secret club only!

Do not disturb the water, Frodo!

I said i'm fond of the idea of creating a dummy OD if this one gets completely leaked beyond all possibility or repair...
That sounds good. Something to fall back on if the worst happens.

I also have a strange desire to move this thread (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=25193) into OD and not move it back out...
Do it. Seriously.

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=509914&postcount=2255

OH NO.
Mild mannered joke by day, but is it a DANGEROUS SUPER HINT OF THE IGUANA REBELLION by night?
Stay tuned.

*Whistles quietly*

Here's what was originally posted


I find it hard to belive that people belive that they're actually in love. ;) :p
That too.


2/10 and it will continue to go down until i understand why people have so much food in their avatars!I would tell you, but I can't.

Oh, Thomasp. You devil, you.

Oh, Thomasp. You devil, you.
With a bit of luck, nobody will notice the "Edited by..." line

Iguana noticed. And he saw the post before it got edited.

Iguana noticed. And he saw the post before it got edited.
Dang. Should I re-edit it and put a "removing very off-topic stuff" as the reason?

Great job.

I dunno. It would appear that half the forum knows about OD, anyway.

I dunno. It would appear that half the forum knows about OD, anyway.
What would the world be like without conspiracy theories?

Let them have their theories! :D

The world would be far less needlessly suspicious without them. Please don't play games with the forum.

Yeah. Deleting their posts isn't such a good idea.
And would it matter if Iguana noticed? He knows about OD already.

Yes; he keeps bugging me at MSN, laughing at our 'patheticness' and 'elitism'.

And he'll continue to do so if we abuse our privileges. His accusations are not so ill-founded.

Since so many people know about OD, I still think that opening the dummy-OD-forum idea is pretty good.

It's not necessary right now.

Yes; he keeps bugging me at MSN, laughing at our 'patheticness' and 'elitism'.
...in an attempt to get in. What a blithering idiot.

In all fairness, Iguana laughs at everything and everyone.

Just had a thought, we could make some fake MSN group chat log, with various peoples talking about what the next fad should be.
That would be futile if Iguana has really told everyone that it's a secret forum, but I think that it would be safer "evidence" than a fake OD, if we really need to go to that phase.

Just tell them the secret forum is actually hosted @ Dream17.com.:p

I'm ok with trying to hide OD's existence, but if you do the "fake od" thing, I'm not going to lie about it. That doesn't mean I'm going to shout "THAT'S NOT THE REAL OD!" from the rooftops, but if someone asks about it, I'll tell them. Not that that's likely. It's just something to keep in mind when making your plans.

Also, you probably shouldn't put me in any alleged msn conversations since I AM NOT ON MSN AT ALL EVER.

Edit: I don't think I'm registered on dream17 either..

Also, you probably shouldn't put me in any alleged msn conversations since I AM NOT ON MSN AT ALL EVER.

Edit: I don't think I'm registered on dream17 either..
They don't know that.
They also most likely don't know you're in OD either.
edit: well except for the fruit :p

edit: well except for the fruit :p
And the smiley. And the upside-down smiley. And the fact that I wasn't "not there" according to anyone's sig.

But maybe that only matters if people were keeping track, and maybe they weren't. I'm not the one making the emergency plans.

I wouldn't call it "emergency"... it's just good to be prepared if something happens... know our options...

Best course of action, at least to me, is denial and fake ignorance until the actual situantion can't be hold any longer (i.e: someone spread about OD to a large ammount of people and such).

(i.e: someone spread about OD to a large ammount of people and such).
Half the forum isn't large enough for you...?

If you know exactly who knows about OD and how much they know and if they're really more than half of the forum, then yea...

But as far as i know, there's no way of telling who knows what (apart from Iguana and eventually some other person).

And even if a large ammount of people know something or suspect about OD, as long as they don't spread it around openly and start to annoy everybody trying to get in, i think it's ok.

Instead of trying to get in and getting ****ed cause they can't, they seem to have taken the "you have your own private and secret forum? fine, we'll make our own then" course of action. Which, in my humble opinion, is good for us... :)

People, people, calm down. When was the last post in the forum about OD? Has Iguana posted in the forum about OD yet?

I haven't seen it, SO STOP PANICKING!!


If there is a post about OD in a thread that is not related to OD, I will remove it on grounds of it being off topic - no other reason.

If someone posts a thread about OD, DO NOT post in the thread denying it. Just IGNORE the thread and report it to the mods. We will attempt to remove any doubt. DO NOT try to deny OD - that makes it look even worse.


Finally, if someone asks to come in and you can't do anything but reveal OD, then just say that it is invite-only and asking is the perfect way to have your invite torn up, and never be allowed in.

Iguana and others definitively know about OD. Iguana knows it for sure, and I'm almost certain he told the secret to quite a few people. He keeps looking for signs of us denying it -- such as you silently deleting posts or us covering it up -- and laughs at this on MSN. No matter what we do, it'll be suspicious. I'm sure Iguana And Co. will point it out to people who aren't sure, and others who suspect that we have a secret forum will be able to put two and two together. I mean, come on, a LOT of threads are already off-topic, and when posts about OD suddenly disappear without a trace, they'll know that something's going on.

Edit: And the gazillion avatar fads and the duck thread weren't exactly subtle.

I'll try and be a little less trigger-happy with the deleting then ;)

Unless of course it gets to stupid proportions and after many warnings, I'll just trash the entire thread, like I usually do *insert evil smilie here*


One thing still puzzles me: if Iguana thinks he knows so much about OD - why doesn't he just come out and announce it? Or does he not have any solid proof, and only what people have said.

No, but they were fun.
The bottom line is that it doesnt matter what Iguana says. He may know about this, but he's still a moron. Take advantage of it. So if we just catch him or anyone else that may know about OD, at the right moments and make him seem like idiots-We're good...or in otherwords, convince everone else that the person or people who accually know about the forum or may know about it, seem unbelievable, we're safe. Not to start flame wars or anything major...but just hint to others that they don't know what they are talking about. About anything.

Now on to the next importaint matter gentilmen...How do we kill SuperMan?

Well, I've taken his suspicions of us conspiring with T17 to my advantage and hinted to him that he might get banned if he spills the beans.

I think this thread should be locked or deleted.

This thread? Why?

Because we know what we have to do to limit damage, and its participants have agreed that we ought to be careful, yet more crazy ideas about fake forums and other decoys keep popping up. I'm concerned someone will think it's okay to start blabbing about OD and confirm it, when all we need do is keep quiet about it and have Thomas or Andrew address any direct challenges.

Great idea Matty :D


Therefore, I am creating the following rules should there be any leak of OD:

NOBODY is to post in any thread leaking OD, or reply to a post which leaks OD.

Just REPORT the offending post using the post report button (you all know where it is ;)) and the mods will deal with it.


We will decide how best to deal with a serious OD leak WHEN and IF it comes. NOT before.

Let's not destroy this forum with plotting about how to hide it.

You said it Matty. Like I did before:
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=507244&postcount=201
I think there won't be a serious OD leak, as everything the outsiders have is one ancient screenshot of the forum and rumor by a few people.

Just because some UFO freak shows a photograph of some blinking lights and claims to know everything about Area 51, the U.S. Air Force won't have an open day at Groomlake Base with a yard sale. :rolleyes:

Let's not destroy this forum with plotting about how to hide it.
But plotting is FUN.
What if our schemes are just totally outrageous?
If anyone leaks OD, we'll go and PUNCH THEM IN THE FACE.

Yeah. We don't really need to talk about this subject anymore. I think that we're prepared to fix it if it happens.

Now on to the next importaint matter gentilmen...How do we kill SuperMan?
Well, we know now that shooting him in the eye doesn't do the trick... [ http://www.therawfeed.com/2006/05/what-happens-when-superman-is-shot-in.html ]
:(

I say we offer him some Jello pudding. Laced with KRPYTONITE!

I say we offer him some Jello pudding. Laced with KRPYTONITE!
Sharp idea.

I say we offer him some Jello pudding. Laced with KRPYTONITE!
No, fudge!

That wouldn't work.
He'd just eat it before he even puts the kryptonite in.

If you want fudge at the Get-Togethjer this year, you'd all better behave, dag nammit.

Semper notus
et occultus.
Iam nos advenio
ferito is malum.
Tui sceleris.

Translation according to some... translator... :
"Always known and hidden. Now we to come to fight this evil. Your crime."

I think they're planning an attack :p