Hi there,

will there be a retail version too or just the download version on steam?

steam only its up for pre order now

Team17 said it will be downloadable only just for a while, they'll release a retail version sometime later.

And hey where'd you get that avatar Shadovv? :p

Ok, thx.

And to be honest: i can't remember where my avatar is from, it is the first time i visit this forum since 2 years or so. ^^

Well because it's the ghost worm from Worms 3D/4 Mayhem and that grey background looks a little strange so I had to ask ;)

Team17 said it will be downloadable only just for a while, they'll release a retail version sometime later.

And hey where'd you get that avatar Shadovv? :p

Retail version will most likely be like 6 or so months after the Steam version, just to get any stragglers resisting digital distribution. It won't be something Team17 will be spending a lot of money on since they get very little in return because Retail distribution requires a Publisher and physical material which isn't as cheap.

I prefer the retail ver.....as i said many times I dont like steam at all.....but i dont think im waiting another 6 months, im thinking about preordering now -.-
Anyway, WR will use steamleaderboards and steam achievements......thats something you will not have if you buy the retail ver

Retail version would probably take a while to make if the whole online framework is connected to Steam.

that is assuming that the retail version won't require steam anyway, because as far as I know, all games so far that supported steamworks from the start also require it via retail, and it doesn't cost devs anything to include steamworks support for retail(it only costs to get it put on the actual steam store) as far as I know.

so if it does come out retail, don't be surprised if that requires steam.

Not really, just put the Steam files on a Disc, add an installer and done. They do it with Orange Box. I really just think they want to capitalize on the most profitable method of distribution first which at the moment is Digital Distribution.

so if it does come out retail, don't be surprised if that requires steam.

That'd be exactly what I'd expect. Happened with Red Orchestra which was steam only when it was released.

Dammit, I want that game, but not about/with steam. No chance! Only retail without steam or I must pass. The first Worms-Game I do not buy then -.-

I'll pre-order right away.

This Worms game looks amazing. I saw some screenshots of it already, it looks like an enhanced port of W2:A.

I have a feeling this is worth every penny.. :)

Well, it is an enhanced port of W2:A. T17 isn't trying to hide this. They took the game from XBox and added all the good things from previous 2D Worms games. It's a Best Of Worms.

No retail = No buy

No retail = No buy

Not on steam = No buy
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If it's on Steam = Doesn't care (buy it regardless).

Not on steam = No buy :P

I prefer the retail ver.....as i said many times I dont like steam at all.....but i dont think im waiting another 6 months, im thinking about preordering now -.-
Anyway, WR will use steamleaderboards and steam achievements......thats something you will not have if you buy the retail ver

Even if they release a retail version, it will still require you to use steam. It's using steamworks and any game that uses steamworks will use steam regardless of method of buying (retail or digital).

I'm not sure I understand why some people have a problem with Steam, it's a good service and it's not like it costs you anything extra.

Not wanting a download only title is understandable (just), but to refuse to buy a retail game just because it uses Steam seems silly to me.

haha u guys are silly.... its Worms .... and its 13,99 / 14,99€ or so ...

so u buy the only game Worms on steam ... nobody wants to steal it .... or if they do u can get it back anyway... SO 14,99... not a big lose if u lose your account

so its a good game ( i hope so ) and its 14,99 and ... u wont buy cause of steam ???

oke then play on gay xbox and have fun

I'm not sure I understand why some people have a problem with Steam, it's a good service and it's not like it costs you anything extra.

Not wanting a download only title is understandable (just), but to refuse to buy a retail game just because it uses Steam seems silly to me.
The problem with people objecting Steam is, that they have no clue that it's actually completely irrelevant how you purchase your game license.
The thing is, you pay a price to be allowed to play the game. You do not buy some material value (except for a plastic disk, a box and a maybe printed manual).

Nowadays pretty much every game that can be played online is dependant on some activation server/account server, regardless if that's Steam or the developer's/publisher's own server.

The argument that when Valve/Steam goes out of business, all your games are unplayable is negligible, since this could also happen with any other companies online servers (see the Ubisoft disaster with Assassin's Creed 2).

Besides, Gabe Newell once said that Valve should ever go out of business, they'd release a patch for all games that disables the need for Steam to play.
(Aside of that, I would probably complain heavily to the games' publishers for all my non-Valve games.)

So, all a retail copy does nowadays is getting the whole data in one piece on a disk into drive.
But since you need a (rather fast) internet connection to play online anyways, this argument is also negligible, as most connections in most regions are fast enough to download the game within a few hours at most.

The problem with people objecting Steam is, that they have no clue that it's actually completely irrelevant how you purchase your game license.
The thing is, you pay a price to be allowed to play the game. You do not buy some material value (except for a plastic disk, a box and a maybe printed manual).

Nowadays pretty much every game that can be played online is dependant on some activation server/account server, regardless if that's Steam or the developer's/publisher's own server.

The argument that when Valve/Steam goes out of business, all your games are unplayable is negligible, since this could also happen with any other companies online servers (see the Ubisoft disaster with Assassin's Creed 2).

Besides, Gabe Newell once said that Valve should ever go out of business, they'd release a patch for all games that disables the need for Steam to play.
(Aside of that, I would probably complain heavily to the games' publishers for all my non-Valve games.)

So, all a retail copy does nowadays is getting the whole data in one piece on a disk into drive.
But since you need a (rather fast) internet connection to play online anyways, this argument is also negligible, as most connections in most regions are fast enough to download the game within a few hours at most.

In the case of digital distribution, once it goes offline it is never available again so if you lose your installation files you are ****ed. With physical media however, you can always install the game whenever you like and can hope someone will crack the game to work without a need for authentication.

Surely it's much more likely that you will lose your installation CD than the servers to go offline.

That's beside the point though, I understand why people want physical media, but why would they object to Steam being bundled with the retail copy? It's hardly a DRM riddled piece of software.

True, I'm not a fan of digital distribution but am indifferent to using Steam in conjunction with retail purchases. I find Steam much better then all the other methods that require the disc in the drive at all times.

For all the babies here that enjoy looking at a disc box on a shelf, i have a solution for you.

Buy it through steam, then use Steam Backup System to backup it to a DVD disc, then Burn it on the DVD, buy a plastic Disc box, find a cool worms reloaded high-res picture, print it, glue it to the box, and put the disc inside.. THERE YOU GO, A Fake retail at hand!

In the case of digital distribution, once it goes offline it is never available again so if you lose your installation files you are ****ed. With physical media however, you can always install the game whenever you like and can hope someone will crack the game to work without a need for authentication.
If you need to rely on a crack to make your game work, then surely you can also get your game files from some bit torrent site.
It simply makes no difference how you acquire your game. It's about the license.

And about how much stupid DRM crap and copy protection the publishers want to shove up your ass.
In that case, most retail versions are much worse, if you look at all the incidents with SecuROM or StarForce.

For all the babies here that enjoy looking at a disc box on a shelf, i have a solution for you.

Buy it through steam, then use Steam Backup System to backup it to a DVD disc, then Burn it on the DVD, buy a plastic Disc box, find a cool worms reloaded high-res picture, print it, glue it to the box, and put the disc inside.. THERE YOU GO, A Fake retail at hand!That's far too much effort for retail. Just put the disc in a piece of plastic with crude generic instructions taped on the back for the true retail experience!

That's far too much effort for retail. Just put the disc in a piece of plastic with crude generic instructions taped on the back for the true retail experience!
Even easier:
Put your HDD in a box.
Or your whole computer.
:rolleyes:

If you need to rely on a crack to make your game work, then surely you can also get your game files from some bit torrent site.

Yes but then you won't be supporting the company that makes the game you like, you would use a crack once the online authentication servers or whatever go offline. (usually at the same time the download of the product becomes unavailable on there site)

Torrents won't guarantee that what you download and install is 100% exact copy of a retail disc. A virtual drive easily eliminates the need for a disc in the drive too.

Yes but then you won't be supporting the company that makes the game you like, you would use a crack once the online authentication servers or whatever go offline. (usually at the same time the download of the product becomes unavailable on there site)

Torrents won't guarantee that what you download and install is 100% exact copy of a retail disc. A virtual drive easily eliminates the need for a disc in the drive too.
But if you have already have paid once through the digital distributor, you already supported the developer with money. I then have completely no remorse downloading a copy elsewhere.

The thing is, I really don't understand why people complain so much about Steam, yet, they have no problem that companies like Blizzard with their WoW and StarCraft do the exact same thing.
If they go out of business, you can't play either, no matter if you have a retail disk with the data on it.

Also, digital downloads and broadband internet connections are the future.
I predict that it won't take too long anymore, before we only buy the download codes in "retail" stores.
Like it's already done with all the Nintendo/XBLA/PSN pre-paid cards, etc.

Tieing game licenses to single accounts will be the future of mainstream, corporate gaming.
But also for indie developers, who can much more easily and cheaper reach a big audience, because they mostly won't get published through retail at all.

Only the future will what will happen with old games on unsupported OSs or with out-of-business companies, that were published via digital download.

Unless you make a copy of your installation media using a currently popular CD Burning product then perform CRC, MD5 and a SHA-1 checksums on the resulting copy and write them down somewhere for safe keeping, there is no way you can reliably trust something from a random location on the internet or something from a reliable place but provided by a random person on the internet.

Yeah I know the same can be said about cracks making my case entirely moot but eh, I like holding onto things, also it will probably be 20 years before Australia sees decent internet so having a install disc will be the fastest and cheapest method to install a game until we do get good internet (and Telstra die in a hole).

ya i just preordered because its worms on the PC. however i prefer an actual hard copy of the game especialyl given my internet can be unreliable and ill be going out for school in 2 weeks so who knows what my internet will be like.

and i also greatly oppose blizzard and its log in scheme to play games.

i also am not a fan of digitial downloads that i pay for i always want a CD but in this case for some reason im still a worms addict even if worms have been falling downhill ever so slightly. granted its not the catastrophic fall from grace that sonic has had but still its a fall from grace though not near as bad and still produces entertainment for me.

granted school starting on the 25th and worms coming out i guess a day early for me so the 24th creates a massive clash of interests. then again this worms game could suck and save me the misery but im hoping it doesnt.