...because it's caused stupidity to spread out amongst game journalists.

Worms came out in Christmas 1995. We know (http://amr.abime.net/review_10209) this (http://amr.abime.net/review_28984) to (http://amr.abime.net/review_3273) be (http://amr.abime.net/review_50780) true (http://amr.abime.net/review_1736). However the Team17 website has said, erroneously, that it came out in 1994. Now Wikipedia is citing that as proof that the game came out a year earlier than it did. That doesn't bother me, but when lazy journalists (http://www.gamingangels.com/2010/06/worms-2-armageddon-only-400-points-on-xbl-arcade-this-week/) are using Wikipedia as their source they spread the misinformation it causes problems and invariably, as one of a small handful of people who've taken it upon themselves to call game journos on their BS, I'm the one who has to correct them (http://gamejournos.tumblr.com/post/674289638/the-critically-acclaimed-game-has-been-a-staple).

Of course even with my evidence I'm just Some Guy. If you could see your way to fixing the typo on your website... ah, who cares.

... originally released for PC back in 1994 ...

Also, i think the PC version was 1996.

And the erroneous date is inside the Wikipedia page title itself, so just fixing the date in the article isn't enough, as the whole page needs to be moved and that needs to be done by a higher level user, if I recall correctly. Oh goody.

Did you actually email this to someone in the company instead of just hoping that they'd see it in the forums?

This is terribly important.

we must act quickly.

Act now to avoid disappointment.

Also, how in the hell have I not seen/heard of GJAIF yet?

The big gaming sites won't talk about me because it'll call attention to posts where I've slammed them for being utterly (Abba's Greatest Hits - Ed.) but I've been mentioned by some smaller sites, who I have then immediately mentioned on my site for mentioning my site because my site isn't newsworthy. Ha.

The big gaming sites won't talk about me because it'll call attention to posts where I've slammed them for being utterly (Abba's Greatest Hits - Ed.) but I've been mentioned by some smaller sites, who I have then immediately mentioned on my site for mentioning my site because my site isn't newsworthy. Ha.so you troll the only people willing to respect your opinion? I do seriously hope this was sarcasm...

Or rather, you've entirely missed the point of the blog.

We've got approximately eight hours to get this changed. We will get this changed!

Random comment: We have now 666 threads on Online Orgy
Please, don't change this number

Dunno why you didn't just PM the admin though.


I mean, aside from that it makes a good thread. Sorta. Well, as good a thread as you can get for "your site has a typo".

And the erroneous date is inside the Wikipedia page title itself, so just fixing the date in the article isn't enough, as the whole page needs to be moved and that needs to be done by a higher level user, if I recall correctly. Oh goody.

Did you actually email this to someone in the company instead of just hoping that they'd see it in the forums?Everyone knows Team17 only checks their Facebook now, you should tell them over a Poke.

Everyone knows Team17 only checks their Facebook now, you should tell them over a Poke.

Actually too bad, but what the heck.

Game Journalists Are Incompetent ****wits

You sure about that? You don't know if they payed attention to the first Worms when it released, and even myself wasn't sure wether it released in '94 or '95. Mainly because there's half the pages saying it released '94 and the others say the opposite.

Well you mentioned in your article it ain't the journalists' fault so never mind.

I've been playing Worms since the beginning, Thurbo. I had my first game on January 11th, 1996.

Worms is older than Thurbo.

I suddenly feel old.

Wow long time no see :p

Worms is older than Thurbo.

Nope I am, I was born in 03.25.1994, however the first game I got was Worms 2 with the age of 7 in 2001. Now I got every game except The Director's Cut.

Now I got every game except The Director's Cut.
Which you can get for free from Dream17!
http://www.dream17.info/softography.php?id=34&s=downloads

All you need is an Amiga emulator, for example WinUAE.
(Or a real Amiga machine, which is definitely older than you. :D)

If you need help with setting up WinUAE and need a working config file for WormsDC for it, just contact me.

Oh wow great news! :p
However I seriously have problems with getting emulators set thus I'll contact you sooner or later (as far as I know you speak German, right?) I once tried DosBox but there was so much stuff to adjust I failed and gave up. Good thing I kept WinME for older games :)

The Wikipedia article, thankfully, has been updated. We can all sleep easy tonight. I know I will.

Team17's site and the official Worms site (http://worms.team17.com/index.html?page=prev) still listen incorrect release dates though (Reinforcements and United both came out in '96).

Oh man, Bonz, you rock

Oh man, Bonz, you rock
Yes, I know.
Did you get WDC to run emulated?

...because it really matters.

Your post contains the phrase: "Team17's site and the official Worms site still listen incorrect release dates", which should presumably be "Team17's site and the official Worms site still list incorrect release dates" or even "Team17's site and the official Worms site still contain incorrect release dates".

Of course I'm just Some Guy, but the point is: nobody cares.

To be honest: Me neither, but it's still nice to know the real date at last :p

...because it really matters.

Your post contains the phrase: "Team17's site and the official Worms site still listen incorrect release dates", which should presumably be "Team17's site and the official Worms site still list incorrect release dates" or even "Team17's site and the official Worms site still contain incorrect release dates".

Of course I'm just Some Guy, but the point is: nobody cares.
You're wrong there.
Those websites do indeed LISTEN to audio files of the wrong dates.
S2K can obviously hear it.
You can't.

You're wrong there.
Those websites do indeed LISTEN to audio files of the wrong dates.
S2K can obviously hear it.
You can't.

Well then it should say "listen to release dates" instead of "listen release dates" :p

Guys, there's a big difference between an accidental typo and deliberatley publishing incorrect information.

Guys, there's a big difference between an accidental typo and deliberatley publishing incorrect information.

Not when knowing the correct year an old game series was first released is so blindingly unimportant.

It's a historical thing and it should be preserved.

Not when knowing the correct year an old game series was first released is so blindingly unimportant.
It's not about importance, it's about correctness of information.

Heck, I bet that Wikipedia has much less important articles that nobody reads, but it is an encyclopaedia, a compendium of knowledge, which worth nothing if it isn't correct.

I checked the German wiki site as well and realised it also gives wrong information... here's what it says:

Spiele für PC und Konsole [Bearbeiten]

* 1994 – Worms (2D) für Amiga, Game Boy, Atari Jaguar, Macintosh, Sega Mega Drive, PC, PlayStation, Sega Saturn, Super Nintendo
* 1995 – Worms Reinforcements (2D) für PC
* 1996 – Worms United (2D) für PC
* 1997 – Worms 2 (2D) für PC
* 1997 – Worms – The Directors Cut (2D) für Amiga
* 1999 – Worms Pinball für PC, PlayStation

Which of these dates are correct/incorrect thus I can change it?

Oh and by the way, several Wikipedia sites still give wrong infos, like "Worms series" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worms_%28series%29)

Guys, there's a big difference between an accidental typo and deliberatley publishing incorrect information.
Not when knowing the correct year an old game series was first released is so blindingly unimportant.You are saying that because the release date of Worms is unimportant, there is no difference between an accidental typo and deliberately publishing incorrect information?

That's a good example of a first order logic statement, so we can test this. First of all, let me try to prove that the second part of it is false with a test case:

1) Most bananas are Yellwo.
2) Most bananas are Purple.

It's quite clear to any literate person which of these two statements is flawed due to a typo and which is flawed due to misinformation; the typo is a syntactical error, the misinformation is a lexical error.

If we apply this fact using the logical components of the original statement, we get the following possible results:

1) Because there is a difference between an accidental typo and deliberately publishing incorrect information, the release date of Worms is important.

2) The importance of the release date of Worms is completely irrelevant to whether there is a difference between accidental typos and deliberate misinformation.

As the word "importance" is subject to context, and our frame of context is yourself, we have to reapply your opinion back to the statements. Your opinion is that the release date is unimportant, meaning the first of our results can not be true. We must then conclude that the second result is true.

Thus we have proven with the help of first order logic that your last post was completely irrelevant.

Not when knowing the correct year an old game series was first released is so blindingly unimportant.

It's a heck of a lot more important than a misspelling on some random forum post. :p

And considering how ungodly easy it would be to fix that date (as easy as fixing S2K's misspelling, most likely), there's really no reason not to fix it, unless spreading harmless misinformation makes the Team17 guys giggle, or something.

You are saying that because the release date of Worms is unimportant, there is no difference between an accidental typo and deliberately publishing incorrect information?

That's a good example of a first order logic statement, so we can test this. First of all, let me try to prove that the second part of it is false with a test case:

1) Most bananas are Yellwo.
2) Most bananas are Purple.

It's quite clear to any literate person which of these two statements is flawed due to a typo and which is flawed due to misinformation; the typo is a syntactical error, the misinformation is a lexical error.

If we apply this fact using the logical components of the original statement, we get the following possible results:

1) Because there is a difference between an accidental typo and deliberately publishing incorrect information, the release date of Worms is important.

2) The importance of the release date of Worms is completely irrelevant to whether there is a difference between accidental typos and deliberate misinformation.

As the word "importance" is subject to context, and our frame of context is yourself, we have to reapply your opinion back to the statements. Your opinion is that the release date is unimportant, meaning the first of our results can not be true. We must then conclude that the second result is true.

Thus we have proven with the help of first order logic that your last post was completely irrelevant.

... what.

... what.

Yea he wrote a complex text to explain something everybody understood already :p

I just find S2k's method of pointing it out (and his whole "journalists are idiots" website, now that I know of it) to be very petty, and mirrored it to prove a point.

Whether its important or not, noone really gives a **** except S2k himself, and I have to wonder why it matters to him.

How very nice for you.

There is nothing trivial about Ben Paddon's official 'water is wet' blog.

I find it more effective to contact the people who made the mistake instead of posting it on a discussion forum. It seems sort of fruitless to make a point onto a forum which, as it has been jokingly said, the company barely ever reads. Especially in Online Orgy, a forum which is known for irrelevant conversations. Sure, the release date is wrong. It should have been fixed a long time ago. It does not require more than a sentence. There is absolutely no reason to rant about something that, in the real world, makes no difference. If valve's page said that the entire world was created by a flock of mustachioed tortoises, and that the events of Half-Life 2 were real, I would continue to play the game happily. The Earth's orbit around the sun will not be shifted by a mis-numbered date so trivial is this one.

I wouldn't waste my time on such a post, but it seems every time you come here to post something, you've got to attack someone about something that doesn't seem to matter in the slightest. Just be happy that you've got games to play, and stop worrying that a 5 pixel high number is shaped more like a 4 than a 5.

Why did you bother to punctuate and use correct grammar in that post, shadowman? You could have typed the entire thing "jus lik dis". Sure, it would be grammatically incorrect, but it's something that, in the real world, makes no difference. I would have read the post more or less the same way. The Earth's orbit around the sun would not be shifted by you deciding to forgo courtesy and type in the manner of a 12 year-old Yahoo! Chatroom user.

You may think it's unimportant. And yes, Worms is not exactly a AAA game franchise. But it's the game that helped but Team17 on the multiplatform map and broaden their scope. Like it or not, it's a part of gaming history, and that's the sort of thing that should be preserved.

Why did you bother to punctuate and use correct grammar in that post, shadowman? You could have typed the entire thing "jus lik dis". Sure, it would be grammatically incorrect, but it's something that, in the real world, makes no difference. I would have read the post more or less the same way. The Earth's orbit around the sun would not be shifted by you deciding to forgo courtesy and type in the manner of a 12 year-old Yahoo! Chatroom user.

typng lik dis tkes mre thout thn prper typng tho ?????????

not rly. i nkd dis post owt with ver litl fot.

Good for you. My last post took far longer me for to write than this one is, depite being half the length.

Why did you bother to punctuate and use correct grammar in that post, shadowman? You could have typed the entire thing "jus lik dis". Sure, it would be grammatically incorrect, but it's something that, in the real world, makes no difference. I would have read the post more or less the same way. The Earth's orbit around the sun would not be shifted by you deciding to forgo courtesy and type in the manner of a 12 year-old Yahoo! Chatroom user.

You may think it's unimportant. And yes, Worms is not exactly a AAA game franchise. But it's the game that helped but Team17 on the multiplatform map and broaden their scope. Like it or not, it's a part of gaming history, and that's the sort of thing that should be preserved.
Still doesn't explain why you made a thread instead of actually contacting an admin though.


Although then again, you're the same guy who made this thread (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34602), so...

You may think it's unimportant. And yes, Worms is not exactly a AAA game franchise. But it's the game that helped but Team17 on the multiplatform map and broaden their scope. Like it or not, it's a part of gaming history, and that's the sort of thing that should be preserved.

I'm going to ignore the first half of that post, as it seems you are simply looking to pick a fight rather than argue the point in that paragraph.

As for the bit I've quoted, notice how you didn't say "It's the game that helped put Team17 on the multiplatform map and broaden their scope in 1995." That said, sure, it's a nice reference tool to be able to go back to the developer's site and see when the game is made. Sure, it's the person's job to create a website for the company, and the facts should be correct. It is not necessary to make a big deal out of it though. The important part is that the game was made. Not when.

Team 17 got their own release date wrong?

D:

squirminator i think it's time to stop holding on to your last threads of relevance on games of even less relevance and move on. the 13 year olds don't need you anymore?

also i like how no one here likes you anymore.

p.s. HI SPLINTER from robin xxx

what no it's just friendly teasing and you know it

nah i think people have finally grasped the whole 'give me attention' thing from these overzealous posts. i mean even a paragraph on t17 is an overbearing essay let's be honest. and i doubt even t17 care about whether their release dates are noted accurately by reviewers - too busy gettin drunk at the pub LOL ; )

also on the "gaming sites wont talk about me front", im pretty sure people outgrow the "bring down da corporations" phase of their lives at about 16

The big gaming sites won't talk about me because it'll call attention to posts where I've slammed them for being utterly (Abba's Greatest Hits - Ed.) but I've been mentioned by some smaller sites, who I have then immediately mentioned on my site for mentioning my site because my site isn't newsworthy. Ha.
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/086/e/2/I_Don__t_Know_Much__by_Itachs_forever.png

Haha, that suprise return was among the most enjoyable I've ever witnessed :)

Hey, look.
Our key titles include the Worms™ series, which has been a video gaming institution since 1995

So... alls well that ends well. Or something.

This page lists 1994 (http://worms.team17.com/index.html?page=prev).

Phew, I was wrong. I feel MUCH better now its fixed, thanks S2k! You're my hero and we are forever in your debt :D

he lobbied them good.

but also if you think gettign a release date wrong makes a journalist 'lazy' then you are deluded and stupid. oh wait.

There's a lot that makes game journalists stupid and lazy, and this ain't it.

"There's a lot that makes game journalists stupid and lazy, and this ain't it. "


"it's caused stupidity to spread out amongst game journalists."
"That doesn't bother me, but when lazy journalists are using Wikipedia as their source they spread the misinformation it causes problems and invariably,"


???

maybe you two should just kiss and make up

witty british folk should stick together

"it's caused stupidity to spread out amongst game journalists."

Yes, that's clearly what I meant by this quote. The misprinting of this game's year of release is the sole reason game journalists are incompetent morons. Nice. Glad we're on the same page.


"That doesn't bother me, but when lazy journalists are using Wikipedia as their source they spread the misinformation it causes problems and invariably,"

This is still true irrespective of the release of the game.

mom, dad

stop arguing :(

um actually i was implying you thought it showed them as lazy, do you want to elaborate on exactly why you think journalists are lazy then? or are they just greedy corporations who bring the system to shame?

'lazy journalists' dont use wikipedia, they write badly. mistakes arent equated with writing a bad review, they're mathematical and honestly it's hardly a mark of a bad journalist to not know when something was released - they're nto "HISTORIANS" dude, they dont "LOOK FOR THEIR PLACE IN HISTORY" like you seem to think t17 should.

Ah. You're 17. Heh.

Explains a lot.

This page lists 1994 (http://worms.team17.com/index.html?page=prev).

That's an archive of their old site. Unless having the date wrong on pages no one is supposed to see needs fixing as well for some reason, I think we're good. :p

Ah. You're 17. Heh.

Explains a lot.

and you have the opinions of a sulky 15 year old

nice!

Tch. Kids today, eh? All self-entitled and so on. It's the parents I feel sorry for.

i think the real 'kid' is the guy who tries to bully people into listening to his 'veteran' self on a website about video games made for 10 year olds.

you mover and shaker

video games made for 10 year olds.
are the newer, more casual-oriented Worms games aimed at children? mayhaps so, but failing to realize the universal appeal of Team 17's past successes shows naught but sheer ignorance on your part, "winnipeg".

you have checkmated me, user, dix-neuf. who was i to consider the riddles of the great benjamin paddon. :(

i shall go and be inferior in age and spirit now. afterall, you surely must be superior if you spend your time on t17 in yr twenties. who were the 'kids' to ask of the forums?

Ah. You're 17. Heh.

Explains a lot.

Your maturity is embodied in your goto technique of self-promoting by making anyone younger than you seem inferior. It says a lot about your outstanding egotism, as well as the inability to form an argument.

If the problem was fixed, it's even less worth worrying about than it was when it hadn't yet been fixed.

I'd say this is tiptoeing over the line of being a flame war. Stop it now while you're ahead.

Ah. You're 17. Heh.

Explains a lot.
This statement is so very stupid in so very many ways.

Ah. You're 17. Heh.

Explains a lot.

Best post ever (y)

im pretty sure people outgrow the "bring down da corporations" phase of their lives at about 16

Ah. You're 17. Heh.

Explains a lot.
It explains that at least.

pretty much hilarious that youth is the thing you would make fun of on t17 tbh

but im sure your tight knit brotherhood of secret t17ers will convince you otherwise

If I was a journalist I wouldn't ask developers personally, just do researches.
Half of the websites out there say 1994, the other half 1995.
It's not their fault.

Also, I don't think Worms is the most important game on Earth, and a wrong release date - either 1994 or 1995 - doesn't really matter. It's a minor thing.
Since you are a big fan I understand it annoys you seeing wrong facts given on web pages, but I suggest you ask Team17 and wait for their answer. To be honest, I don't expect them to fix it, though.

Best thread ever (y)

btw, you're doing the y wrong, it must be an uppercase, like this: (Y)

Best thread ever (y)

it is important to feel relevant over release dates :p also i just read the 'journalists are incompetent ****wits', clearly ben paddon you have absolutely no grasp on journalism even if the majority of games journalism may suck. you pick at completely irelevent themes and your journalism is worse than anyone else's around in its ridiculous anti-slant. nice one!

how have you been splntr?

Since you are a big fan I understand it annoys you seeing wrong facts given on web pages, but I suggest you ask Team17 and wait for their answer. To be honest, I don't expect them to fix it, though.

It has been fixed (http://www.team17.com/?page_id=7). I don't know whether it was fixed because someone emailed the problem to them or if whoever redesigned the new site decided to have a peek in online orgy for some reason and saw S2K's post, or if the person who wrote that "about" page decided to do some research into the release date themselves, but it's been fixed, which means this thread has no purpose anymore (did it ever?) except for having people making fools of themselves. :p

I mean, seriously, the age card? Come on.

I don't think Worms is the most important game on Earth
of course not

it's a tie between super frog and alien breed

"it's been a fun ride my fellow teamsters, but all good things have to end. I think I'll be on my way. ;)"
*2 months later*
"Team17's Redesigned Website - an essay by Ben Paddon"

Perhaps it's time for this thread to close so nothing goes further awry.

"it's been a fun ride my fellow teamsters, but all good things have to end. I think I'll be on my way. ;)"
*2 months later*
"Team17's Redesigned Website - an essay by Ben Paddon"
great post, not -borat
Tch. Kids today, eh? All self-entitled and so on. It's the parents I feel sorry for.
stop trying to sound cool

Yes. Old men are cool.

Perhaps it's time for this thread to close so nothing goes further awry.

Good idea.


*Thread closed because shadowman said so*