Though some of the weapons are considered traditional, there's an idea for 4.0 developers to renew the weaponry.

Here's a scheme:

Why these ones should be abandoned:

F4 column 4 — not used as often as 'Kamikaze' — same function but less of sense
F8 column 5 — not used in most cases
F9 column 2 — an extra picture's attached to explain (usually games are pure from religion)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/980/4100471263giovannipedri.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/4100471263giovannipedri.jpg/)
Should we people make fun of it (look at the thing He holds in His left hand)?

F9 column 4 — there's nothing funny in sect problem (too much explosion as well)
F9 column 5 — just a silly explosion...
F10 column 3 — 'Super Banana-bomb' is enough I think
F10 columns 4 and 5 — silly explosion, nothing special
F11 columns 1, 2, 3 — silly explosion — too much 'just exploding' weapons in the game then (weapons from 4 and 5 are quite enough for mass destruction, aren't they?)
F12 column 5 — the weapon from F1 column 2 ('homing missile') is enough I think

I suggest to remove these weapons not because I can't just change the scheme when I play but for stopping the temptation of using such things on the whole. ;)

F9 column 2 — an extra picture's attached to explain (usually games are pure from religion)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/980/4100471263giovannipedri.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/4100471263giovannipedri.jpg/)
Should we people make fun of it (look at the thing He holds in His left hand)?



Do you know Monty Python? ;) ...and we should of course make fun of it. :P

Removing weapons, because of the temptation of using them, is probalby the worst thing I've read in here. It's like censoring the game. I'd rather choose by myself what weapon to use and what not, every weapon has its purpose.

I'm familiar with this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Hand_Grenade_of_Antioch) but we Eastern Christians will never accept Protestant humour of such kind.
I must repeat that usually good games are pure from religious moments at all. Just to avoid such arguments.

This isn't the sort of changes that we can just do, unless Team17 would tell us to. Considering that the new Worms games continue including the HHG, it doesn't look like it's going to change, either.

I'm familiar with this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Hand_Grenade_of_Antioch) but we Eastern Christians will never accept Protestant humour of such kind.

Protestant humour? What?

Hmm...
What would the people of Dresden (and other German cities) think when they hear about the "carpet bomb" weapon, which was named after the WWII carpet bombing?
What would the Salvation Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvation_army) say, should they learn that little avatars of their organization are blown to pieces?

I think that the Monty Python reference about the HHG, is only very far-fetched an insult to religion.
It's a spoof of the Sovereign's Orb, the globus crucifer from the British crown jewels. A globus crucifer is in most cases a secular icon, used by rulers to show their "god given" right to the throne.

Thank God that I'm an atheist and can happily make fun of religion! :rolleyes:

Oh man, do you really think the game is bad because of those? Go play CoD or the likes.

All of the stuff in there has a meaning. Even the concrete donkey.

Heres a brilliant marketing idea, instead of ADDING to the game, lets REMOVE stuff from the game! :O -gets fired minutes later-

Whilst I agree that the Suicide Bomber weapon is completely worthless (is there any situation at all where it's useful?) I have to disagree with all your other suggestions. While some like the MB Bomb would be no great loss to me if they disappeared, they all have their own uses (don't forget that a lot of the ridiculously powerful weapons you've crossed off for being too powerful are ridiculously rare for a reason. You couldn't even add them to schemes in the original versions of WA). How are the Scales of Justice not useful? The mortar, whilst not the most powerful weapon, isn't as useless as most people think...

The mortar, whilst not the most powerful weapon, isn't as useless as most people think...

that's true... have you ever played with infinite mortars with the "weapons dont end turn" mode? you can destroy half the landscape in seconds!!!!!

The mortar, whilst not the most powerful weapon, isn't as useless as most people think...

That's true, although the easiest way to get the most damage out of it is a little unorthodox, I can get consistently more damage than a bazooka with it. And I'm not referring to the floating weapon glitch.

Suicide Bomber weapon is completely worthless (is there any situation at all where it's useful?)

Many situations I can think of! The gas = Priceless.

I agree with the suicide bomber COULD be removed if NECESSARY... Like if the game is taking too much space and they need more KB for the autolauncher then they could choose to remove the suicide bomber for the sake of being able to play...

Did i just make any sense? :O

Negative..

The gas is it's defining feature, it can poisen enemy worms while Kamikaze does not.

I never really understood the Suicide Bomber. I've never really found that sacrificing a worm just to unleash a small cloud of poison and have a really weak explosion that slightly shove worms around was worth it. There's usually a better thing that you can do instead of this.

I'm not advocating that this weapon should be removed (because that would be a terrible idea to remove any weapon from the game), I'm just saying that Suicide Bomber is not a good weapon. Why use this when you can use a skunk, which does the same exact thing but won't kill off your guy in the process and probably will poison more worms anyway? If anything, Suicide Bomber might need a little boost for it to be more useful.

If you want to sacrifice your worm, Kamikaze does pretty much everything better than Suicide Bomber. You can use it to kill off worms that are hidden underground, worms that are frozen by digging a hole in the ground to make them drown, or knock a whole bunch of worms off ledges in the water (especially when coupled with Low Gravity).

The Cows are an incredibly useful weapon in the right circumstances, as are any of the other weapons.

You should watch this video, as it explains everything about why nobody is agreeing with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feB7Oc8rw1o


Thank God that I'm an atheist and can happily make fun of religion! :rolleyes:

I don't even know what this guy's problem is, Bonz... I'm a Christian and I laugh heartily at Monty Python stuff. It's funny. I think God understands humour, or else he wouldn't have given it to people, right?
Stuck up twerps are no fun.

Suicide bomber is very useful in context. Context being the scheme. Schemes are the ones that decide when and if a weapon is useful. Obviously, in full wormage, it becomes useless, but so is your face for playing it.

I don't even know what this guy's problem is, Bonz... I'm a Christian and I laugh heartily at Monty Python stuff. It's funny. I think God understands humour, or else he wouldn't have given it to people, right?
Stuck up twerps are no fun.


Indeed. :)

Suicide bomber is very useful in context. Context being the scheme. Schemes are the ones that decide when and if a weapon is useful. Obviously, in full wormage, it becomes useless, but so is your face for playing it.

I lol'd :D

If the Elite scheme had a suicide bomber you'd find out it's used in more than 50% of the serious games. If Team17 scheme had a suicide bomber in your default arsenal, only one, it would be one super useful in every game, like the rope.

Just think of the satisfaction of getting 1 worm skunked in an elite, and on his next turn, with 85 health, roping to a 100hp enemy worm who is hiding in a darkside spot and suicide bombing on him. Not only is the poisoned enemy virtually dead, but you also made your enemy lose a skunk.

If the Elite scheme had a suicide bomber you'd find out it's used in more than 50% of the serious games. If Team17 scheme had a suicide bomber in your default arsenal, only one, it would be one super useful in every game, like the rope.

Just think of the satisfaction of getting 1 worm skunked in an elite, and on his next turn, with 85 health, roping to a 100hp enemy worm who is hiding in a darkside spot and suicide bombing on him. Not only is the poisoned enemy virtually dead, but you also made your enemy lose a skunk.

Yeah, i know what you mean.

I meant i lol'd on the "so's your face" part ;)

As has been said, the poisoning effect is the Suicide Bomber's advantage.
If you have several worms piled up, you can poison them all.
With the wind you can even reach worms slightly away or behind a wall or girder.

I would however like to have the poison cloud increased a bit.
More so, as the explosion has been reduced to such a minimal amount from it's original, dynamite size state in W2.

It's also a bit like the prod - you can use it to humiliate an opponent. It's like... "Hey. I've got so much skill, I don't even need to use as many worms to beat you."

That's true, although the easiest way to get the most damage out of it is a little unorthodox, I can get consistently more damage than a bazooka with it. And I'm not referring to the floating weapon glitch.
If you're using it for damage then you're pretty much better off using something else in almost every case. It's a rather niche weapon that's mostly useful when you need to destroy cover and a bazooka and grenade can't get to the right place but thgat's a damn sight better than wasting an airstrike to do the same thing.

As for the suicide bomber's poison cloud, I can never seem to hit any worms with it, although it's possible that I just suck. Unless I can get under the worm, I usually find that the worm is knocked away by the explosion before it can get hit by the gas cloud.

Hmmm.... I guess I am in the ""thinks a weapon sucks because he can't use it properly" crowd after all.

Also remember that the mortar is not affected by wind! Make's it a perfect aim weapon every time

if you want to sacrifice your worms, you can use the kamikaze or ( the best idea) another weapon and shoot it next to your worm xD for example... put your worm above the enemy and aim the bazooka to the ground and shoot it... you'll do more damage becuase you do the "normal" bazooka damage plus the worm's explosion's damage.... also you can make cluster weapons to do max damage.... so.... that's why i dont like the suicide bomber... or in spanish, la "bomba suicida" (suicide bomb) xD

Also remember that the mortar is not affected by wind! Make's it a perfect aim weapon every time

It is affected by wind though.

It is affected by wind though.

Depends on what mode you are playing... in W:A and WWP it's usually not affected by the wind.

Same with Worms 2, no wind affects it as seen in the scheme editor when looking at all the default schemes.

What am I missing? When is it affected by wind? If you mean worm pot or something, you're getting a slap

What am I missing? When is it affected by wind? If you mean worm pot or something, you're getting a slap

I deserve a slap either way for just finding out mortars are infact not affected by wind at all, after a decade...

If it'll make you feel better, so did I, though it only took me about 3 years... :)

It's the deceiving angle limitations; You can't fire the weapon vertically

So, the thread can be closed, but note my idea please.
Thanks for reading this.