I really, really hope this isn't just a port from XBLA. That seems to be so limited compared to Worms Armageddon from the PC, and one of the things I loved about the latter was the huge range of weaponry at your disposal, it gave endless opportunities to blow yourself or others up in a hilarious fashion.

I'm hoping we get a few extra bits and pieces compared to the Xbox version.

When Team 17 ported the Xbox version of "Worms" to the PSN, they added a few extra weapons ... so I hope they do the same with the PSN/Steam Versions of armageddon! :cool:

they added a few extra weapons
Extra weapons, huh?
I want the laser and the Sheep-on-a-rope!

Some features from Worms: OW2 would be cool. Magnets, Sentry Guns, Lightning Strike, and an old skool power bar. The ability to zoom out would be a most welcome return too. Also, I've gotten so used to playing on massive maps, with the patched WA, that anything less just will not do now...

I dont think they will add extra weapons at all.
I hope they use classic online hosting system (like in W4M, WWP or WA) , with ranked games, maybe they use the Steam account for the avatar and the achievements (Ex: Audiosurf or Gmod).
I hope they add more customization for schemme settings.
I hope they use the PNG import setting for the map editor (like WA) with 256 colors this time.

I want my favorite weapon, homing pigeon. And i want the speeches to be complete, xbox version has some missing speeches, hope PC version speeches will be as complete as WA.

Some features from Worms: OW2 would be cool. Magnets, Sentry Guns, Lightning Strike, and an old skool power bar. The ability to zoom out would be a most welcome return too. Also, I've gotten so used to playing on massive maps, with the patched WA, that anything less just will not do now...

Lol you are a bit behind huh? :D All those features do already exist in XBox version.

Team17 said on Facebook they wouldn't release the game in 2009 because they
wanted to add more stuff than in XBox version. "PC version has to be something special", Spadge said. Just wanted to mention it here.

W2A 360 was missing many of the environment/weather features from OW2. Some of them were a bit annoying but some were a good option.

For my part weapon isn't the more important, i think worms behavior for example: jump, slide and explosion will improve the gameplay moreover than 2 or 3 useless news weapons. Bazooka and Grenade is sufficient to move a good time let's hope worm don't stay stuck on the ground.

Physics are far more important than new weapons. No matter how many weapons they add to the modern 2D versions, they will never come close to WA if they don't change the physics.

The worms just seem extremely heavy and you don't really get to see them fly around the map since they move/fall so fast after an explosion. It feels very different to WA.

Lol you are a bit behind huh? :D All those features do already exist in XBox version.

Team17 said on Facebook they wouldn't release the game in 2009 because they
wanted to add more stuff than in XBox version. "PC version has to be something special", Spadge said. Just wanted to mention it here.

This pleases me.

lol different worms physical properties
depending if they fat :) or slim ;) or else :cool:

Crazy achievements :>

I am so happy right now as i just found out this game is finally comming to steam, cant wait, TIME FOR BEER!

This pleases me.

It was heartening to hear this back then but i am still worried. Team17 recently said on FB that they were still discussing internally on the feel and content of the game..so i wonder why is Team17 holding back from giving us the best Worms game yet, it seems they don't want to make it the best game in the series and want to keep WA few steps ahead of the new Worms game, otherwise why would they think about what to give rather than give whatever they can?? Time will tell how the new Worms game turns out, but i wish its the best one in the Worms series!

The worms just seem extremely heavy and you don't really get to see them fly around the map since they move/fall so fast after an explosion. It feels very different to WA.

Yes it does, but they are not as heavy as in Space Oddity :D Just because of the improvement of the physics, for example, you won't fly 10 meters away when you jump at some landscape over the worm's head, I think you know what I mean

Even if some weapons are essentially duplicates of another, it gives you the ability to provide 2 of the same with different power settings etc.

Best advantage would be if weapon configurations would be configurable like in Worms 2.

Oh no, pls not... IMO, too much is not good as well. I came up with the overkill in the menues, but I hated it playing online with no idea how strange what weapon is, there will be loads of games with "tweaked" schemes then. Just take the game as it is, Team17 is holding the weapons in balance :)

It's unlikely they'd put it in again, too.

What about the stats? I really want stats for both SP and MP..like Worms killed and lost..damage..games won and lost..!!

Oh no, pls not... IMO, too much is not good as well. I came up with the overkill in the menues, but I hated it playing online with no idea how strange what weapon is, there will be loads of games with "tweaked" schemes then. Just take the game as it is, Team17 is holding the weapons in balance :)

It's unlikely they'd put it in again, too.

Have you played Worms Armageddon recently? seen Etho and other peoples scheme editors that let you adjust power ridiculously?

All it would do is give greater freedom to experiment and try new concepts to make a new game style/type. If you like playing with Newbies well, that's your fault... but anyways being able to adjust wind effectiveness for all projectile/weapons as well as stock per crate etc. would be win.

A map editor is a must!

What about the stats? I really want stats for both SP and MP..like Worms killed and lost..damage..games won and lost..!!

I think there are stats as in OW2. That means stuff like worms killed, lost etc. Hope that makes you happy:D

@franpa:
Okay, you liked these options, I didnt. Nevertheless it's unlikely they will be in 2: Armageddon PC. 1:0 for me:p

I think there are stats as in OW2. That means stuff like worms killed, lost etc. Hope that makes you happy:D

@franpa:
Okay, you liked these options, I didnt. Nevertheless it's unlikely they will be in 2: Armageddon PC. 1:0 for me:p

Yea but thats for the xbox where stats are compulsory, i am not sure if Team17 will have stats for PC MP as well.

...would be a stupid decision of T17 if not;)

There is a question that is tormenting my mind. Ok, we know Worms Reloaded will be available for Steam. But the purchase system would be like the MW2 one? (I mean not only online sell, but also availability of game in shops and gamestores to buy and then activate the account with key by steam).

There is a question that is tormenting my mind. Ok, we know Worms Reloaded will be available for Steam. But the purchase system would be like the MW2 one? (I mean not only online sell, but also availability of game in shops and gamestores to buy and then activate the account with key by steam).

No, there won't be any retail ( shop) version.

No, there won't be any retail ( shop) version.

Ow ****! >_<....for me the problem isn't existent, seen I'm more than 18 and can use PostPay (or Paypal) for buying it....but most of my friend aren't. :PPPPP
In few words...all f****d!
But this is strange....many people aren't over 18, wouldn't be a problem the online sell? Kids or boys can't use credit cards or paypal.

Ow ****! >_<....for me the problem isn't existent, seen I'm more than 18 and can use PostPay (or Paypal) for buying it....but most of my friend aren't. :PPPPP
In few words...all f****d!
But this is strange....many people aren't over 18, wouldn't be a problem the online sell? Kids or boys can't use credit cards or paypal.

yeah, they would need to get their parents to buy it for them..it would be my first online game as well!

Or you could buy it for them as a gift. If your friends are trustworthy.

I'd feel really disappointed if I couldn't buy any online stuff just because I'm 15 year old...

In my opinion, they should try to sell them in stores too, even it is intended few copies for experiment. Ok, if they raise the price of 5-10 €, that won't be a problem. In this way, they're gonna lose money. Because few people generally has the tendence of buying online (expecially we italians). This would be my first online purchase.
But as you said...I can make a gift. However I can't spend 10 € for 10-15 people, you know? :PPPPPP

However...I'm asking to the Big Boss on Facebook and I'm waiting for the answer. Hoping to persuade them, but this is impossible!

I'd feel really disappointed if I couldn't buy online stuff just because I'm 15 year old...

It depends. In Italy there is a type of credit card pre-paid called PostePay. You can use it to make online purchases even if you're under 18, but.......your parents or someone older than 18 must put money into it. The limit is 100-200€.
Many laws forbid the use of credit cards by youngsters....or, if you're lucky to be able to use it, your parents could undo (I don't have the correct term.....you know, when you made a thing and they're putting it back) your purchase. In Italy it is called "Annullamento": you don't have the game and money come back home because of your parents' word with the developers or sellers.

In my opinion, they should try to sell them in stores too, even it is intended few copies for experiment. Ok, if they raise the price of 5-10 €, that won't be a problem. In this way, they're gonna lose money. Because few people generally has the tendence of buying online (expecially we italians). This would be my first online purchase.
But as you said...I can make a gift. However I can't spend 10 € for 10-15 people, you know? :PPPPPP

However...I'm asking to the Big Boss on Facebook and I'm waiting for the answer. Hoping to persuade them, but this is impossible!

You could ask your friends to pay you the money cash and that you then purchase and gift the game to them. Heck, I even used to do this through a mate of mine because I had issues with purchasing through steam and took advantage of American pricing as well at the same time since I'm European... (shouldn't have let me experience issues purchasing it properly, so I view it as a refund for the issues).

You could ask your friends to pay you the money cash and that you then purchase and gift the game to them. Heck, I even used to do this through a mate of mine because I had issues with purchasing through steam and took advantage of American pricing as well at the same time since I'm European... (shouldn't have let me experience issues purchasing it properly, so I view it as a refund for the issues).

If my "friends" are living nearby me, I wouldn't say this....but the problem is those friends were members of my clan, collocated in all Italy, from North to South.
But if the problem for Team17 is piracy, selling in stores doesn't make it possible. Why? Because, like MW2, you need a key. And if they put a key for instruction booklet and so for game, you activate it on Steam and done: copy legit, protected and pirating avoided.
With Steam piracy is visible for a reason: taking always the example of MW2, do you know how guys play the cracked version of game? Replacing the files of demos downloaded by Steam with the chosen game. So selling online or selling in stores is the same: piracy is well fought anyway.
Moreover, in this case, with online sells only, piracy could increase just because not for hating reasons (like IW), but for impossibility of buying it.
I think this....surely I'm wrong, but I preview this situation.

My post is not very important: What is "MW2"? I bet it's Modern Warfare 2 but Im not too sure :D I just wanna understand what you are talking about ;)

Replacing the files of demos downloaded by Steam with the chosen game.

The Zero Gear exploit doesn't work anymore. IW fixed it. This kind of exploit is avoidable. Just use a check to verify the owner really owns the game.

Also, Download only games aren't that rare anymore. Also for a for a small firm like Team17 it's the best way to distribute a game. First, they don't need a publisher, so they get the full profit. Second, they have less cost as there are no manuals and covers to print, no CDs/DVDs to press, no boxed games to deliver to stores and so on.

Sure, Steam takes it's bite from the cake called profit, but they have costs too for hosting the downloads for Worms Reloaded 2 Armageddon (or whatever the final title will be^^).

My post is not very important: What is "MW2"? I bet it's Modern Warfare 2 but Im not too sure :D I just wanna understand what you are talking about ;)

MW2= Modern Warfare 2 :p

You could ask your friends to pay you the money cash and that you then purchase and gift the game to them. Heck, I even used to do this through a mate of mine because I had issues with purchasing through steam and took advantage of American pricing as well at the same time since I'm European... (shouldn't have let me experience issues purchasing it properly, so I view it as a refund for the issues).

Ok I have this question, what information do I need to give to someone apart from Cash for them to buy the game for me on STEAM and what are the chances they could misuse the purchase in any way??

The Zero Gear exploit doesn't work anymore. IW fixed it. This kind of exploit is avoidable. Just use a check to verify the owner really owns the game.

Also, Download only games aren't that rare anymore. Also for a for a small firm like Team17 it's the best way to distribute a game. First, they don't need a publisher, so they get the full profit. Second, they have less cost as there are no manuals and covers to print, no CDs/DVDs to press, no boxed games to deliver to stores and so on.

Sure, Steam takes it's bite from the cake called profit, but they have costs too for hosting the downloads for Worms Reloaded 2 Armageddon (or whatever the final title will be^^).

Well...not to sure, because recently a new crack appeared, despite it works just for private matching. Moreover, on 2nd March, a new parovoz crack is coming.....IW isn't going to have the upper hand this time too. And we don't forget the Trackmania Nations demo and now "drumrolls" the offline Steam version with X-fire invite system. Hell yeah...playing with MW2 cracked is easy thanks to X-Fire and console command to transform unranked matches into ranked ones. Infinity Ward is unbalanced for PC gaming right now!
I know Team17 is a small company and they have to get a profit. No doubt, they're doing a good job with Steam. But, as I said before, they could raise the price of 5-10 € per copy in stores because for that increase everyone could buy it. And I speak about few copies without using publishers, just to experiment marketing. Seen that this is their first Worms game via Steam, they need to test the market: how many people? Age of the players? And so on....they can leave the price inalterate for online sells in order to force people to buy it via steam, but some normal copy is required too for marketing hiphotesys.
I can't imagine Worms Reloaded forbidden for under 18, OMG! Adding the fact that this game has been waited for long time and an online sold only could be a little disappointment for many.
If the cost is for DVDs and booklets, well, they can do a thing like this: do you know the pre-paid cards of World of Warcraft? You can purchase them in stores too. They put the cover and a simple piece of paper with a key inside. Cost: 15 €!
Team 17 can do a thing like that: cover and piece of paper with a key. They spared money for instruction booklets and CD game, obtaining extra profit and making a customer happy! =P
Instead, with this method, not only piracy would be stopped, but it could increase: like I said yesterday, people could crack the game not because they hate Team17 for their decisions or for the high price (if they consider 10 € a high price, they seriously need to recover themselves in hospital), but for the impossibility of buying the game.
Classical example of this..no, I'm not going to talk about Modern Warfare 2, but about Worms 4. It is official that Worms 4 has many illegit copies than legit ones. I've played for long time and I asked many people why they cracked the copy or have the illegit one. Mostly of them said this: "I have the cracked copy because game isn't in stores anymore".
Sincerely, I want to ask you: "how many people under 18 will buy the game online on their own if they can't do the purchase on their own?" I could be a little bit paranoic, but I explain my logical paths

Ok I have this question, what information do I need to give to someone apart from Cash for them to buy the game for me on STEAM and what are the chances they could misuse the purchase in any way??

That's a minor problem. In theory, you need to give your friend your steam account name (ex: Tizio, Caio, Joe Average, Chuck Norris, etc...) and he'll make a gift for you. Yeah, a paid gift....after you need to give him money back, but he'll pay for you the copy via Paypal.
I informed myself better about online purchase system: you have to persuade your parents, if you're under 18, to open a contract with Post offices in order to get the Paypal. You need to find a reason and ask to put inside it 20 €. Once you've got the money from your parents inserted in the card once and for all, you can buy the game on your own....but just be careful!

UPDATE: I received 10 hours ago the answer from Big Boss about selling system. Well, I'm hoping...because they announced there will be probably a secondary way to get the game. Here's the sentence:

I don't think we'll be on sale in March. Retail plans are not decided as yet. Certainly steam only to begin with.

I, of course, suggested a thing. Here's my quote:

Can I suggest a thing, if it's possible? If the problem is the cost of DVDs, Covers and instruction booklet, you can simply do like World of Warcraft pre-paid cards: they have a cover with inside a piece of paper with a key activation. Cost: 15 €. You can raise your price of 5-10 € without problem, seen that your prices are convenient and I'm available to spend a little more too. Without leaving Steam of course because the key could be activated only via Steam with an own account (seeing example of MW2).
But seen you've told us that retail plans are not decided yet, I still hope to see something in stores. I don't care if it's a cd with booklet or just a piece of paper with a key, it doesn't matter. But doing like this, you'll increase people's incoming, overall of youngsters that can't afford purchases online.
That's my poor opinion...if you think this could be offensive in some way or free-advertising, you can cancel this comment without hexitation.

If my "friends" are living nearby me, I wouldn't say this....but the problem is those friends were members of my clan, collocated in all Italy, from North to South.
If your friends trust you enough, they could transfer you the money directly to your bank account. You only need to tell them your IBAN.
Ok I have this question, what information do I need to give to someone apart from Cash for them to buy the game for me on STEAM and what are the chances they could misuse the purchase in any way??
They only need the e-mail address tied with your Steam account, where they send you an activation link to. Be sure that you tell them the correct one.
They can also directly send the gift to you via the Steam friends system. There, they have to make sure not to click on someone else in the list carelessly.

Other than that, you only have to entrust them your cash.
So, if you have alcoholics or junkies for friends, you might want to think twice. ;)

There is also the slight chance that someone sends you a gift purchased with a stolen credit card, which will get your whole Steam account deleted, including all other games.

If your friends trust you enough, they could transfer you the money directly to your bank account. You only need to tell them your IBAN.

Well...I have a poste account, not bank one. You now, with interest taxes I risked to lose every single spare I have. Maybe I can give them my parents' one and then they give me the money back.
If it is possible the purchase by phone call or internet addebt....a nice negotiation. However.....I'm waiting for Team17's answer....they seem to be opened to secondary ways, as you've read in my previous quote

You could buy a prepaid credit card, these work with Steam. I think that would be the easiest way for you.

I myself use PayPal with direct debit from my bank account. It's the most comfortable solution and it never failed me in over 2 years.

You could buy a prepaid credit card, these work with Steam. I think that would be the easiest way for you.

I myself use PayPal with direct debit from my bank account. It's the most comfortable solution and it never failed me in over 2 years.

In fact I have Paypal...but in Italy it is called PostePay. It's the same thing. As I said before, this isn't a problem for me personally because I can buy it online without problems. The main problem is that my friends can't. So I need to go on a damn bank and activate my second pre-paid card (yes, I have another one) for internet transactions and for receiving money from other banks.
Now a question. I'm asking you to be sincere and to give a logical opinion: If Team17 is going to release the game only via steam digital distribution, do you think piracy will increase (expecially from youngsters that can't do online purchases)? For me...I'm afraid yes, like Worms 4 many years ago.

Maybe, but if Team17 does it right, they can't do multiplayer. Especially if they use Steamworks.

Like with Left 4 Dead 2, this game gets pirated a lot, but do you know how much hassle it is to play it with others? If you're luck you will have a laggy game where others can connect, while myself who owns the game plays on a dedicated server with a ping under 40ms.

Team17 just has to add some checks for multiplayer to see if someone owns the game. If it works in L4D2, it can work in Worms too.

Avoiding piracy is impossible, but you can make it less enjoyable to use a pirated copy.

I found a solution....via Post offices. Letters with money into it and priority send. After receiving letter with money, going to buy the game for them via Paypal on Steam.
I gain also 0,10 € each time. What a business! :P

phew...so much dislike for online purchases...

Anyways...heres some solutions for people who have issues with online payments (only applicable for north america, as im not going to attempt to speak for an area im not aware of):

1) Buy a vanilla mastercard gift card/ visa equivalent. All it requires is walking into a store, asking for one and purchasing it. Your age is irrelevant. All the card really is, is a non-reloadable gift card you can use anywhere.

2) Someone you know is bound to have a credit card or paypal account, ask them to gift the game to you, and hand them the money. Gifting on steam is quick and painless.

3) Open your own paypal account anyways, no one really checks your age...in fact I only found out about the age restriction after I ordered a bunch of computer parts <_< *use at your own risk*

Someone mentioned the wow gamecards, but really, how different is that from getting a credit card gift card.
And...just going to re-iterate, i can only speak for canada/us :P

Oh, and a second view on the piracy thing. Theres actually a modded steam program used specifically pirate steam games. However when its installed on any computer with steam also present steam likes to ban both accounts. Oh and multiplayer games are almost completely unplayable, the hassle isn't usually worth it.

I found a solution....via Post offices. Letters with money into it and priority send. After receiving letter with money, going to buy the game for them via Paypal on Steam.
I gain also 0,10 € each time. What a business! :P

lol
...... :D

lol
...... :D

Like Uncle Mc Scrooge says "10 cents today, 10 cents tomorrow...to make a million"!
FACEBOOK UPDATE: I've asked now to Team17 if the system of servers are based on pure matchmaking or it allows online public unranked match where you can connect to people who you want, without inviting system.

Like Uncle Mc Scrooge says "10 cents today, 10 cents tomorrow...to make a million"!
FACEBOOK UPDATE: I've asked now to Team17 if the system of servers are based on pure matchmaking or it allows online public unranked match where you can connect to people who you want, without inviting system.

While your asking all those questions would you mind asking if they would consider releasing a 4-pack on steam like was done with L4D, bioshock2, etc... I intend to gift the game to a person or two, that would just make it nicer :P

While your asking all those questions would you mind asking if they would consider releasing a 4-pack on steam like was done with L4D, bioshock2, etc... I intend to gift the game to a person or two, that would just make it nicer :P

Ok no problem. Next time they'll answer me, I'll ask it

I found a solution....via Post offices. Letters with money into it and priority send. After receiving letter with money, going to buy the game for them via Paypal on Steam.
I gain also 0,10 € each time. What a business! :P
Ehrm...
Letters with money is very unsafe endeavour.

You surely can use telegraphic money transfer at the post office.
Your friends deposit their money to their local post office with your name and address and you get the money paid out at your local post office after you identify yourself with photo ID.
That is, after a fee, so your friends have to deposit more.

At least that's possible with Austria's regular post.
If that's not possible, you could use services like Western Union (http://www.westernunion.com/info/selectCountry.asP), which are available virtually everywhere.

Paying an extra fee is definitely better than losing the whole envelope with the money and proofing to your friends that you didn't just spent it on booze. :)

Or you can borrow a friends credit card?

Ehrm...
Letters with money is very unsafe endeavour.

You surely can use telegraphic money transfer at the post office.
Your friends deposit their money to their local post office with your name and address and you get the money paid out at your local post office after you identify yourself with photo ID.
That is, after a fee, so your friends have to deposit more.

At least that's possible with Austria's regular post.
If that's not possible, you could use services like Western Union (http://www.westernunion.com/info/selectCountry.asP), which are available virtually everywhere.

Paying an extra fee is definitely better than losing the whole envelope with the money and proofing to your friends that you didn't just spent it on booze. :)

Ah, I forgot to say you the thing. They go to post office to give them letters but with a special procedure. I can't use the correct english term, in Italy it's called "Raccomandata con ricevuta di ritorno".
In few words, they have a piece of sheet in which it's written they've sent the letter at a determined time. When I receive it, I need to sign up if I want to take it. Otherwise, the letter comes back. Used overall for money sendings (Italy is a nation where lots of immigrants are coming, NorthAfrica and Romania on first positions...they use it so it's pretty normal! =P)

Ah, I forgot to say you the thing. They go to post office to give them letters but with a special procedure. I can't use the correct english term, in Italy it's called "Raccomandata con ricevuta di ritorno".
In few words, they have a piece of sheet in which it's written they've sent the letter at a determined time. When I receive it, I need to sign up if I want to take it. Otherwise, the letter comes back. Used overall for money sendings (Italy is a nation where lots of immigrants are coming, NorthAfrica and Romania on first positions...they use it so it's pretty normal! =P)
It's called "registered letter".
Still, you have the chance that the whole letter gets lost on its way.

Also, a registered letter costs more than a regular one.
Take that money and pay the fee for the money transfer. At the low price that Worms Reloaded will surely be, it might well be cheaper.