Hi all. Can anyone say to me when Worms 2 Armageddon will be available on Steam???

No, terribly sorry.

No, terribly sorry.

You had a 50% chance to get that answer right.

You messed up.

You had a 50% chance to get that answer right.

You messed up.

He got it right. The question was if anyone can tell him the release date, not if there is going to be one. It is likely too early for even Spadge to know what the release date will be.

He got it right. The question was if anyone can tell him the release date, not if there is going to be one. It is likely too early for even Spadge to know what the release date will be.

yeah but i wish the game is just a port of 360, too many features are not good for casual gamers like me as people tweak it to their liking and make the game less fun(multiplayer)not to mention dumb modes like shoppa,rope racing etc etc, for all that original Armageddon is still there..

It looks to be a straight port of the X360 version, probably with added map creating.

By the way, Crazy Crates (another word for shoppa) and rope racing is already in Worms 2 Armageddon for XBLA, so I don't see why it wouldn't be in the PC version :p

probably with added map creating.If there isn't a map editor, modders can fix that. If there isn't a whole lot of public custom game support (hosting user-schemes as public matches).

It looks to be a straight port of the X360 version, probably with added map creating.

By the way, Crazy Crates (another word for shoppa) and rope racing is already in Worms 2 Armageddon for XBLA, so I don't see why it wouldn't be in the PC version :p

:( i fiercely dislike modding and customisation on the PC games, it is just ridiculous, i wish Team 17 do not allow any customization whatsoever in the new game and do not allow anyone modders to take the game in the path they chose rather than what Team 17 want the game to be or what majority of Worms players want it to be..

:(

:( i fiercely dislike modding and customisation on the PC games, I am just ridiculous, i wish Team 17 do not allow me to use the new game and allow anyone modders to take the game in the path they chose rather than what Team 17 want the game to be or what I, in my small-minded retarded ways want it to be.
:(

I have made some corrections to your post.

or what majority of Worms players want it to be..

A game with loads of modding and customization, pretty similar to WA. Shocking eh?


i wish Team 17 do not allow any customization

So in other words, the game should have no:


- Scheme Creating

- Map Creating

- Gravestone creating

- Flag Creating

- Voicebank creating

- Other creative stuff


What a hit game that would be.


modders

Wether you like it or not, there will be modders who will create content like programs, etc.


No customization is possibly the worst suggestion i've heard.

:( i fiercely dislike modding and customisation on the PC games, it is just ridiculous, i wish Team 17 do not allow any customization whatsoever in the new game and do not allow anyone modders to take the game in the path they chose rather than what Team 17 want the game to be or what majority of Worms players want it to be..

:(your opinion is wrong. form a new one.

I have made some corrections to your post.

Amusing but 100% wrong, why do you think consoles have more players than the PC? because they dont have morons who want to tweak the game as per their liking, i dont want to join a game to find that that guy has tweaked the settings to his liking and cant play on universal settings which everyone would love :(


A game with loads of modding and customization, pretty similar to WA. Shocking eh?




So in other words, the game should have no:


- Scheme Creating

- Map Creating

- Gravestone creating

- Flag Creating

- Voicebank creating

- Other creative stuff


What a hit game that would be.




Wether you like it or not, there will be modders who will create content like programs, etc.


No customization is possibly the worst suggestion i've heard.

Scheme creating is the worse you can do, thats what created fvkin shoppa and rope races and i know there will always be modders on the PC and thats why i have stopped playing WWP on the PC and will only get W2:A on the PC if i know that those lame modders wont show their face again..

I am saving up for a xbox 360/PSP/Ipod Touch just for some classic Worms action :)

RIP PC

Just stick to the console versions then for some worms action with no modders.

scheme creating is the worse you can do, thats what created fvkin shoppa and rope races and i know there will always be modders on the pc and thats why i have stopped playing wwp on the pc and will only get w2:a on the pc if i know that those lame modders wont show their face again..
Rip pc

you can make schemes on the console versions too olololol hay guyz i dont liek scheems did you notice

A new great Worms Armageddon for Xbox 360 is already out! A new good looking Worms game for the Wii is coming soon!

Now, what about a nice new fresh pc game plz? Still no release date? Sometime in October-Dezember maybe? I sincerely hope so :(

We need a new modern Worms Armageddon game, it would change the PC world :D Plz :) And if you'd like, just release it over Steam and nothing else, I don't care ^^

just release it over Steam and nothing else, I don't care ^^
If they release a hard copy I will buy it, otherwise I won't. I aint tying my games to some "online" service.

If they release a hard copy I will buy it, otherwise I won't. I aint tying my games to some "online" service.thank you for answering his inquiry about how you felt on the subject. the world is a better place for this knowledge.

Now, what about a nice new fresh pc game plz?

I think we will never get a "new fresh pc game" of worms again.....it looks like Team17 just surrendered the PC market.
So, lets just hope we can get the Xbox games for PC at least.

d3rd3vil, you'd do good to actually try W2A on XBLA. Its not a "new great Armageddon" as you assume it is. And the new wii game is most likely going to be like Worms 2 Armageddon, not Worms Armageddon.

If they release a hard copy I will buy it, otherwise I won't. I aint tying my games to some "online" service.

So, if you lose the hard copy, you lose the game itself; and no way to retrieve it but to buy a new copy. Ah well. Silly Franpa.

So, if you lose the hard copy, you lose the game itself; and no way to retrieve it but to buy a new copy. Ah well. Silly Franpa.

Yeah man, people who lose hard copies are ****ed.

Poor people.

So, if you lose the hard copy, you lose the game itself; and no way to retrieve it but to buy a new copy. Ah well. Silly Franpa.

I don't lose my Worms hard copies, cause I always keep them in my nuclear strike protected battle crate. Even a concrete donkey would not have enough power... and so on and so on.

I don't like Steam! I want less games to be released but more good ones. The world needs less products, the world needs more quality.

I want less games to be released but more good ones. The world needs less products, the world needs more quality.
Except that's not how it works. Companies only get the profits and expertise for those 'high end' products from the profits gained from the 'low end' products.

Except that's not how it works. Companies only get the profits and expertise for those 'high end' products from the profits gained from the 'low end' products.

No, that's not really how it works, except for only a handful of companies that are founded by a group of people who stick together learning and improving, something that doesn't really happen out there in the real world anymore.
Companies don't need to go through bad quality products to earn money for good ones. Unless you live in Plasma's world of simplicity.

Except that's not how it works. Companies only get the profits and expertise for those 'high end' products from the profits gained from the 'low end' products.

$$$

It's a good point, but the bg-ratio (bull**** to genius ratio) has changed a lot in the past few years. People wanted to make fast money, as ruthless as possible. Let us hope, we really have reached the top of this development in summer 2008!

Although I own all PC Worms, I will not buy a cheap W2:A XBox clone on steam.

I don't like Steam! I want less games to be released but more good ones. The world needs less products, the world needs more quality.I find it wonderfully ironic that you say you hate steam and then immediately say that you want better quality games, because for the past few years steam has been a source of some of the highest quality games available anywhere.

and as for your gripe? just dont' PLAY all the crap. it's pretty obvious just from previews if a game is going to be at least decent. don't play the games that don't look good until/unless you hear that it IS in fact good. I haven't played a bad game for a while now, because I've been selective about it. really not that hard to do.

I find it wonderfully ironic that you say you hate steam and then immediately say that you want better quality games, because for the past few years steam has been a source of some of the highest quality games available anywhere.

and as for your gripe? just dont' PLAY all the crap. it's pretty obvious just from previews if a game is going to be at least decent. don't play the games that don't look good until/unless you hear that it IS in fact good. I haven't played a bad game for a while now, because I've been selective about it. really not that hard to do.


Of course I never play crappy games, but this is not enough. I even don’t want to see crappy games being produced and distributed. Downloadable content on Steam (or other platforms) makes it easier for the industry, to sell $hit. And be sure, Valve will not be so picky in the future, they will go for the big deal as well.

You know, I’m only one of these green, narrow-minded eco guys, peace brother!

So, if you lose the hard copy, you lose the game itself; and no way to retrieve it but to buy a new copy. Ah well. Silly Franpa.

I think I've lost 4 game discs in 10 years? and experienced a couple 100 (maybe over 1,000?) or so interruptions to my internet during that time? I unlike the majority of computer/music users, actually put discs in cases :O and not leave them lying around like coasters.

I think I've lost 4 game discs in 10 years? and experienced a couple 100 (maybe over 1,000?) or so interruptions to my internet during that time? I unlike the majority of computer/music users, actually put discs in cases :O and not leave them lying around like coasters.

Yeah but the internet interruption is temporal, the loss/damage of a disk isn't. :P

i have a question. Is the Fort mode in W2:A like the one in Worms Forts under siege!?

no, its like the Worms world party fort mode.

no, its like the Worms world party fort mode.

Alright thanks ;)

Well I would try it on my 360, but it can't be the same to play with a controller....Worms was born for PC and it is still pc dependent.

Also it can't be that difficult to port the new Worms game from the 360 to the pc, shouldn't take that long! Now do it!

Also it can't be that difficult to port the new Worms game from the 360 to the pc, shouldn't take that long! Now do it!
YOU do it if you want it done poorly yet quickly. Maybe they can add USB keyboard support or something in a later patch for the xbox version?

Bad news for Franpa and others who hate Steam.

Quote from Team17 themselves:

... no news yet. ... no point rushing it. When it does get released it will be via Steam.

... no news yet. ... no point rushing it. When it does get released it will be via Steam.

That means they dont care about it too much.....so dont expect a Big Worms game for PC....it will have the same or less content as W2:A.

That means they dont care about it too much.....so dont expect a Big Worms game for PC....it will have the same or less content as W2:A.since when has holding off on a release resulted in LESS content?! :confused:

since when has holding off on a release resulted in LESS content?!
Lets answer that question with another questions:
Since when T17 releases worms games throught steam?
Since when we have to wait 4 years for a new PC worms game, while the new console worms games come out constantly?
Since when the worms games are released in console first and then ported to PC?

The answer to all those questions: "since T17 surrendered the PC market"

Lets answer that question with another questions:
Since when T17 releases worms games throught steam?
Since when we have to wait 4 years for a new PC worms game, while the new console worms games come out constantly?
Since when the worms games are released in console first and then ported to PC?

The answer to all those questions: "since T17 surrendered the PC market"I'm sorry, but if you're just going to be pig-headed about this, then there's nothing I can say. continue spreading pointless gloom and doom at your leisure.

I'm sorry, but if you're just going to be pig-headed about this, then there's nothing I can say. continue spreading pointless gloom and doom at your leisure.

LOL....everything in this topic is, in some way, just pointless speculation (including my last post, this one and yours).
I'm just posting wht i really think, not wht everyone want to hear.....i hope we get a "Super Worms Game" for PC, like everyone here.....but i dont think it will happen in a near future.

Dont misunderstand me, i dont want to be the f**ing troll of T17 forums....but it really looks like we will not get the "Worms armegeddon Decade"......we will just get a W2A port.

I'm just posting wht i really thinkbut you're thinking that without any variety of evidence or past history from T17. you're just wanting to hate the game before it comes out for no reason. I mean, if the last PC worms games were bad I could understand, but T17 haven't let us PC guys down yet, so where are you coming from with your criticism? that's all I'm saying.

but you're thinking that without any variety of evidence or past history from T17. you're just wanting to hate the game before it comes out for no reason. I mean, if the last PC worms games were bad I could understand, but T17 haven't let us PC guys down yet, so where are you coming from with your criticism? that's all I'm saying.

Taking into account the designers are probably the same for PC and console games, taking into account that Team17 don't see as much income from PC games as opposed to console, and taking into account Team17 hates W:A, then I think I have enough evidence to think the new worms game for PC will not compare to the 10 year old worms armageddon and therefore I'll be dissapointed.

taking into account Team17 hates W:A

Hmmm, source maybe?

Apart from that I actually agree with you for once :p

Hmmm, source maybe?



common knowledge spadge can't rope

common knowledge spadge can't ropespadge isn't particularly great at worms in general from my experience. :p

taking into account Team17 hates W:A

Word?

common knowledge spadge can't rope

Serious?

I'd never heard either of these.....

I'd never heard either of these.....

I said common knowledge, just because you're common doesn't mean you have the knowledge

but you're thinking that without any variety of evidence or past history from T17. you're just wanting to hate the game before it comes out for no reason. I mean, if the last PC worms games were bad I could understand, but T17 haven't let us PC guys down yet, so where are you coming from with your criticism? that's all I'm saying.

I love worms games, i never said i hate the comming PC worms game at all.
W2A for XBLA will be ported to PC, so we arent getting a "brand new Worms game for PC".
I dont hate W2A, i liked it so much (in Xbox).....but im saying we will not get a "NEW worms for PC", just a ported one (T17 staff said it many times on facebook)
I really hope they go back to the PC market......the Worms gameplay is 10 times more enjoyable in PC (for me)

W2A for XBLA will be ported to PC, so we arent getting a "brand new Worms game for PC".no one. ever. said. that.

ever.
Teaser for WORMS 2 ARMAGEDDON, coming for XBLA in the summer, with a PC version to follow. is the exact quote. not "unmodified PC version to follow", just "a PC version". I have never seen a port of a game come out this long after the original version that wasn't heavily modified to fix all the issues of the original and (about 90% of the time) add in new content based on fan requests. Team17 have been especially thorough on adding content based on fan requests in the past. expect similar treatment for this one. there's no reason not to.

no one. ever. said. that.

ever.
is the exact quote. not "unmodified PC version to follow", just "a PC version". I have never seen a port of a game come out this long after the original version that wasn't heavily modified to fix all the issues of the original and (about 90% of the time) add in new content based on fan requests. Team17 have been especially thorough on adding content based on fan requests in the past. expect similar treatment for this one. there's no reason not to.

"PC version to follow" implies port.

And then there's this:
[Worms 2: Armageddon] will be adapted for PC. The PC market is difficult these days due to MASSIVE levels of piracy so we simply can't take the risk of ploughing extensive resources into a bespoke PC edition, it simply doesn't make sense. The PC version (released via Steam) will be good value and play great.
Not trying to read too much into it, but "will be good value and play great" pretty much reads as "...it's still fun and cheap guys!"

And also:

We haven't even started work on the PC version, so at the moment there is nothing to talk about regarding features and we don't have a release date. Sorry.

This one was around the end of july, so the reason it hasn't come out yet is not because they are hard at work on it, but rather... the opposite. :p

disclaimer: I can't vouch for the veracity of this two quotes, this was allegedly posted on facebook but I don't really visit there. i<3worms:) posted this quotes here.

[Worms 2: Armageddon] will be adapted for PC. The PC market is difficult these days due to MASSIVE levels of piracy so we simply can't take the risk of ploughing extensive resources into a bespoke PC edition, it simply doesn't make sense. The PC version (released via Steam) will be good value and play great.
Thats the comment i was talking about.

I have never seen a port of a game come out this long after the original version that wasn't heavily modified to fix all the issues of the original and (about 90% of the time) add in new content based on fan requests.

*cought**cought* GTA: SA *cought**cought*
I think the PC ver of W2A will be a XBLA ver with a level editor.....thats all.
Obviously i want MORE weapons like the old armageddon, better rope, "create your own weapon", advanced schemme editing,etc....but i dont think they will give us a BIG PC ver......it will be a cheap but enjoyable game (ex: world of goo, aviable in steam)

"PC version to follow" implies port.I was just sayin port doesn't mean port without fixes/upgrades.

And then there's this:

Not trying to read too much into it, but "will be good value and play great" pretty much reads as "...it's still fun and cheap guys!"fair enough, though I still can't see them releasing the game without some refinement. if people are complaining enough about the XBLA version's features then some tweaking will be done. maybe nothing major, but I'd imagine SOMETHING being done. maybe I'm just optimistic.

I was just sayin port doesn't mean port without fixes/upgrades.

Bug Fixes.....they must implement them in the PC ver.
Updates/stuff.......maybe a level editor, and thats all (lets hope im wrong)

maybe a level editor, and thats all (lets hope im wrong)probably along those lines. maybe some minor physics tweaks if there are enough complaints about it (which I haven't been keeping up with), but is W2A really that bad a worms game that we'd need a complete revamp?

It's not a bad game, but it's full of imperfections, not to mention that it doesn't even begin to compare to W:A. It'd honestly make much more sense if T17 re-released a fully patched version of W:A on steam instead of this thing.

It'd honestly make much more sense if T17 re-released a fully patched version of W:A on steam instead of this thing.
T17 are probably waiting for the next W:A beta update which will fix various Vista/Windows 7 problems.

T17 are probably waiting for the next W:A beta update which will fix various Vista/Windows 7 problems.

What has that got to do with W2:A?

And do you guys think once W2:A is out there will be fewer players on WA? Specially if W2:A has leaderboards ??

What has that got to do with W2:A?

Franpa was just replying to MtlAngelus's post......



And do you guys think once W2:A is out there will be fewer players on WA? Specially if W2:A has leaderboards ??


Who knows. We know NOTHING about the features yet.

when are we getting this game, the wait is getting to me now, Team 17, this year or not?!?!!

when are we getting this game, the wait is getting to me now, Team 17, this year or not?!?!!

The game will release in 2020

The game will release in 2020

And you know how?

And you know how?because we haven't heard anything about it and 2010 is only 2.5 months away.

because we haven't heard anything about it and 2010 is only 2.5 months away.

Its not coming in 2010, its coming in 2020 :P

Being serious, I do actually think this game won't be out this year. I actually think it will release Spring 2010, or near that.

Its not coming in 2010, its coming in 2020 :P
Okay, the joke has been well and truly run into the ground now guys.

"Lol Matthew, got to love the enthusiasm, but it will take more than just your cash to make this game happen, but nice to know we have sales in the bag. :) "


team 17 on facebook replying to a PC fan on release^^ of PC version, does not sound very good, does it? :(

"Lol Matthew, got to love the enthusiasm, but it will take more than just your cash to make this game happen, but nice to know we have sales in the bag. :) "


team 17 on facebook replying to a PC fan on release^^ of PC version, does not sound very good, does it? :(doesn't sound like anything we didn't already know. they're holding off on production of the PC version for a bit. logically money would be the biggest reason for that sort of thing.

doesn't sound like anything we didn't already know. they're holding off on production of the PC version for a bit. logically money would be the biggest reason for that sort of thing.

What i make of it is that Team 17 are not even interested in making it for the PC and are taking it as some kind of forced sword on themselves :/ :( .....

What i make of it is that Team 17 are not even interested in making it for the PC and are taking it as some kind of forced sword on themselves :/ :( .....yes, well, you've been consistently pessimistic about the game every time you've been given even the slightest shred of anything that could possibly be taken as such.

So, trying to break the world record of Worms clones? Who owns the title of that record again? Oh, right..

http://i35.tinypic.com/wgomqw.png

So, trying to break the world record of Worms clones? Who owns the title of that record again? Oh, right..

http://i35.tinypic.com/wgomqw.pngthank you for the insightful and inspiring argument. you have truly changed the way I think about the world around me. you are an inspiration. thank you, sir. thank you.

Sorry if already this question has been already asked, but i'm a little short of time to read all post in this thread. well, my question is if this version will only available like a digital distribution and if the game is going to have some DRM protection...

oh almost forgot the other one question, what could be the minimum requirements?

Sorry if already this question has been already asked, but i'm a little short of time to read all post in this thread. well, my question is if this version will only available like a digital distribution and if the game is going to have some DRM protection... digital distribution. most likely exclusively via steam.

oh almost forgot the other one question, what could be the minimum requirements?why does anyone ever ask that? has a company EVER released that information without plastering it all over the place?

Why would you want to know if it has DRM protection? DON'T FREAKIN PIRATE WORMS GAMES! ITS THE REASON WHY YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN A 2D WORMS GAME IN 10 YEARS TO BEGIN WITH!

Sorry if already this question has been already asked, but i'm a little short of time to read all post in this thread. well, my question is if this version will only available like a digital distribution and if the game is going to have some DRM protection...

oh almost forgot the other one question, what could be the minimum requirements?

At this stage Team17 have not even started work on PC based on FB updates, but Team17 have said that when PC version does get released it will be through STEAM, no word on anything else yet, DRM or system requirements, but since this is a 2D game i guess it wont be that big an issue;)

Why would you want to know if it has DRM protection? DON'T FREAKIN PIRATE WORMS GAMES! ITS THE REASON WHY YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN A 2D WORMS GAME IN 10 YEARS TO BEGIN WITH!some DRM is extremely annoying. W4 used a particularly hated DRM, for instance. it's reasonable he would want to know if this one would use the same.

Oh, I thought DRM was to protect against piracy, what does it mean? How can it be annoying?

Why would you want to know if it has DRM protection? DON'T FREAKIN PIRATE WORMS GAMES! ITS THE REASON WHY YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN A 2D WORMS GAME IN 10 YEARS TO BEGIN WITH!

So true! fvckin pirates cost us Team17 love :(

Oh, I thought DRM was to protect against piracy, what does it mean? How can it be annoying?

Ever heard about Starforce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarForce#Controversy)? or about why people complain about the game Spore?

Oh, I thought DRM was to protect against piracy, what does it mean? How can it be annoying?DRM = Digital Rights Management. it IS to stop piracy, but it largely doesn't work. annoying DRM usually requires you run a program that can harvest data in the background without telling you what it's harvesting. or it could limit how and where you install a game, such as only allowing you to install the game once on one harddrive, regardless of whether that hard drive eventually fails or gets replaced.

I prefer any kind of piracy protection(including the horrible and disgustinge EA system) .....than loging in the f**king steam every time i want to play a single game....

I prefer any kind of piracy protection(including the horrible and disgustinge EA system) .....than loging in the f**king steam every time i want to play a single game....I have never and will never understand why so many people consider that such a huge inconvenience....

I prefer any kind of piracy protection(including the horrible and disgustinge EA system) .....than loging in the f**king steam every time i want to play a single game....

lol, noob.

Ever heard about Starforce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarForce#Controversy)? or about why people complain about the game Spore?

Yes, that's what Worms 4:Mayhem used, as Akuryou mentioned above.

lol, noob.

LOL, a steamtard.....go on and have sex with steam if u like.....
I havent noticed that u were one of those....wht a pity.

I have never and will never understand why so many people consider that such a huge inconvenience...
I used to play CS:S ,audiosurf and world of goo though steam.....I suffered it already....the main problem is that, if u run out of internet u can play ur games (u have to be online to ''go offline'')

It's not meant for poor people like you who cannot afford the internets dude. :cool:

It's not meant for poor people like you who cannot afford the internets dude. :cool:

LOL, no comments man......
That post realy proves that u are a mature person to discuss with...i got bordband like everyone here....other way i will not spend my money discussing with ppl like u :cool:

WAAH WAAH whiny baby cannot afford internets and cannot login to steam, and is too stupid to set offline mode in Steam beforehand... WAAAAAAH.

srsly.

LOL, no comments man......
That post realy proves that u are a mature person to discuss with...i got bordband like everyone here....other way i will not spend my money discussing with ppl like u :cool:

All of you who are indulging in these meaningless arguements trying to win over each other shows how mature each one of you is.

Why cant you people accept each other's opinion, its just that, an opinion

Because it's not an opinion. What he said was a fact; or, at least, it would be if it was in any way true; if Steam doesn't detect an internet connection, it asks if you want to start in offline mode. Which makes me wonder what the heck he was talking about in the first place!

Why cant you people accept each other's opinion, its just that, an opinion
It's not meant for poor people like you who cannot afford the internets dude.
U mean that?
I will never acept insults from ppl i dont know....

I just dont like STEAM, so everyone accept my opinion and shut up.

Back on topic:

Will there ever be a PC release of Worms 2: Armageddon??

Well it's stupid to not like something, just because you don't like it!

It's like that one guy on AMW who shot a guy "because he didn't like the way he looked at him".

MtlAngelus, while respecting you for your senority I think you are a moron for making fun of someone like that. Just because you are rich, doesn't mean everyone else is. With the economic downturn, alot of people are losing jobs (this is out of their control) and they have to cut their internet off because they can't afford it! As jsgnext was saying, if the internet ever had to be cut for WHATEVER reasons, he would like to know he is able to still play the games he's paid for.

Of course, this isn't really a valid argument anymore, because Steam can be started in Offline Mode, but that's not an excuse to flame him for not knowing. All you had to do was say what Plasma said above....

MtlAngelus, while respecting you for your senority I think you are a moron for making fun of someone like that...blah de blah de blah blah blah....OH COME ON PEOPLE! I demand that everyone here read the first part of my signature RIGHT NOW!

Ya, iknow.....maybe wht MtlAngelus said was sarcasm.....im not poor at all, but i didnt find his sarcasm funny, its tottally our of context (like my last 3 posts xD)

emm... :P... about the new game. In WA, you are able to see the "stats" of your team, you know, worms killed, victories, defeats and that sort of things. Also there it was those useless but funny comments about some worms performance after a battle, and your team earn points after each battle, and you can see them next to your team name when you set up a local game ... I loved that kind of things, makes the game more personal. :p

Do you know if those features are implemented in W2A??? I,m all personalization, hats and skin color are really cool :o, but i need stats, W4M didnt have'em. It's always good to fight to increase your numbers than doing it for nothing (of course there is the fun :D, but you know what I mean). :cool:

I prefer any kind of piracy protection(including the horrible and disgustinge EA system) .....than loging in the f**king steam every time i want to play a single game....

I still do not see how you have in any way logically explained this statement with reason.

Can you please explain further, as much as possible, to convey what you mean exactly, as it intruges me a lot. May be it is a simple case that I am just a little "thick", but humour me. Give it your best shot.


P.S. For the record I hate both steam and useless copy protection that hurts the consumer rather than the pirater. But with a choice between the two, It's honestly a no brainer!

UPDATE: Just been thinking quickly there, perhaps you hate steam as it is harder to crack than DRM?! Anywho I'd rather play over the Steam system than have spyware on my computer that wrecks hardware and crashes other games... Just my "opinion" (Best of all I like to pay-and-then-pirate and avoid both systems - as I am legally entitled to do so - then when finished the game sell the still sealed bought game on Ebay - everyone wins! - As I get to screw over copy protection & still support the industry; and get most my money back :)).

i dont see how you can get most your money back, when ebay's prices are waaay cheaper than retail. ALSO, if you buy a game and sell it, you ARE NOT suppoting the industry. think about it. you no longer have the game. where does it go to? the person who bought it. what if you never sold the game? the person would have gotten it from someone else.... etc. etc.

the chain goes on, UNTIL, a person never bought a new game, because they already have one.

to sum everything up: when you sell a game, you are just "putting it back on the shelves" so to speak... its a rental. it doesnt support the industry because at the end of the chain the industry will lose a sale. they got a sale from you, and when you sold it, they lost a sale from you. it breaks even.

i would think THATS a no brainer :/ your not as smart as you think :P

What Mike says is completely true

i dont see how you can get most your money back, when ebay's prices are waaay cheaper than retail. ALSO, if you buy a game and sell it, you ARE NOT suppoting the industry. think about it. you no longer have the game. where does it go to? the person who bought it. what if you never sold the game? the person would have gotten it from someone else.... etc. etc.

the chain goes on, UNTIL, a person never bought a new game, because they already have one.

to sum everything up: when you sell a game, you are just "putting it back on the shelves" so to speak... its a rental. it doesnt support the industry because at the end of the chain the industry will lose a sale. they got a sale from you, and when you sold it, they lost a sale from you. it breaks even.

i would think THATS a no brainer :/ your not as smart as you think :P

So your saying we need to ban the renting & selling of 2nd hand games and I should just pirate games without buying them?... yeah, that makes sense.... Duuuuh!

Why stop at renting or buying 2nd hand games? lets ban 2nd hand cars, renting homes, 2nd hand sofas, fridge freezers, TVs, computers, DVDs, VIdeos... hey, LETS BAN renting & 2nd hand everything in that case, eh?

The games industry is no different to any other (no matter what they like to make you believe)! The rental & 2nd hand markets are everywhere for everything. It would be a waste of resources not to have 2nd hand goods for both the environment and the economy - Get some logic dude!


As a person who uses Ebay to sell, I can tell you now I DO make most my money back, a lot of the times ALL of it or even more (after-all the game is new and still sealed). Amazon is a lot of the time cheaper than buying on Ebay (but us Ebay sellers still manage to get idiots buying for full whack).

P.S. I'm obviously smarter than you :)

So your saying we need to ban the renting & selling of 2nd hand games and I should just pirate games without buying them?... yeah, that makes sense.... Duuuuh!

Why stop at renting or buying 2nd hand games? lets ban 2nd hand cars, renting homes, 2nd hand sofas, fridge freezers, TVs, computers, DVDs, VIdeos... hey, LETS BAN renting & 2nd hand everything in that case, eh? wow. I've seen people overreact before but I believe you just took the cake.

Best of all I like to pay-and-then-pirate and avoid both systems - as I am legally entitled to do so
Nopers! That's still entirely illegal! Even if you paid for a game, you're still not legally allowed to download a pirated version, regardless of anything.
Normally ordinary people wouldn't lambast you for download a cracked version of a game you own, but that's not the case here either, since you said yourself that you sell the game right away. In fact, people are going to dislike it more than if you just pirated the game straight off!

So yeah. Something tells me you're not very welcome on this forum.

xe-cute, that is an astonishingly bad idea.
Fair enough, downloading it when you paid for it (but even then there can be trouble) but selling it on? That's just the same as downloading it, then selling the downloaded copy.

If you are caught, you could be fined a massive amount.

You're not helping the industry either: the profit you make from the game never goes to the company. They lose out on a sale. It goes like this:

You buy one copy. You download another copy. There are now two copies of the game.
You make a sale on one copy, and pocket the cash. The company does not get that money, and now there are two users of the same game. The profit they made from one sale gets spread across two now. And if the next person does the same? The same price is spread across three copies.

You would only be helping the industry if you either gave the money of the sale to the company, or if you just kept the game and didn't sell it on.

UPDATE: Just been thinking quickly there, perhaps you hate steam as it is harder to crack than DRM?! Anywho I'd rather play over the Steam system than have spyware on my computer that wrecks hardware and crashes other games... Just my "opinion" (Best of all I like to pay-and-then-pirate and avoid both systems - as I am legally entitled to do so - then when finished the game sell the still sealed bought game on Ebay - everyone wins! - As I get to screw over copy protection & still support the industry; and get most my money back :)).

lol, harder to crack?....there are MANY ways to crack Steam accounts and unlock all the games aviable for download....i want more worms games for PC, so i will buy the game...but that doesnt means that Steam can not be cracked.
I hate steam coz , i want to tweak my games easily for a longer fun, I dont want to log-in on Steam to play, i dont want to kill my ram with another aplication running, etc.
Im not giving more fundaments for ''Why i hate steam?'' since i have noticed that there are a Steamtard epidemia here.

And for the ppl who want a Worms for Steam......just use ''add a no-steam app'' -.-

If you are caught, you could be fined a massive amount.though I think he could avoid that if he resells for a used price. effectively trading in the game like GameStop offers. but yes. reselling a game for full price like that is HIGHLY illegal and will get you in far more trouble than simply pirating it alone.

He could just sell a pen for the same price as the game brand new and throw in for FREE a copy of the game? xD they are doing that kind of stuff for that Windows 7 Signature Edition.

Nopers! That's still entirely illegal! Even if you paid for a game, you're still not legally allowed to download a pirated version, regardless of anything.


Actually, downloading a game or music without paying, depending on the source is entirely legal in most countries.

Actually, downloading a game or music without paying, depending on the source is entirely legal in most countries.
That is true, but I think the source in this case is governed under copyright law, so it isn't legal for him to pirate this one.

Actually, downloading a game or music without paying, depending on the source is entirely legal in most countries.

Yea, almost in every country downloading pirated content is illegal......but nobody controls the piratery.....so lets say that downloading illegal games is inmoral everywere.

Yea, almost in every country downloading pirated content is illegal......but nobody controls the piratery.....so lets say that downloading illegal games is inmoral everywere.

Except you're completely wrong.

Except you're completely wrong.uh...but piracy IS illegal. it's why it's called piracy.

Except you're completely wrong.

I can accept ur opinion if u explain me "Why im completely wrong?" at least....

lol, harder to crack?....there are MANY ways to crack Steam accounts and unlock all the games aviable for download....i want more worms games for PC, so i will buy the game...but that doesnt means that Steam can not be cracked.
I hate steam coz , i want to tweak my games easily for a longer fun, I dont want to log-in on Steam to play, i dont want to kill my ram with another aplication running, etc.
Im not giving more fundaments for ''Why i hate steam?'' since i have noticed that there are a Steamtard epidemia here.

And for the ppl who want a Worms for Steam......just use ''add a no-steam app'' -.-

If Steam uses up too much RAM for you, you seriously need to upgrade your PC! It uses 13MB of ram for me.

uh...but piracy IS illegal. it's why it's called piracy.

Yeah, he said downloading pirated content. So, learn to read, learn the law, look up some information, and then, perhaps then it's time to post. Not before.

It's not my opinion, you're wrong because you simply are. Downloading pirated content is not against the law, never has been, probably never will be.

Hang on;

You're trying to tell us that Copyright Infringement is legal?!

Hang on;

You're trying to tell us that Copyright Infringement is legal?!

I'm not trying to and thus I'm not. The end user, the one who downloads the content is not infringing any Copyright law, in most countries, that is.
In fact, those who distribute pirated material non-commercial aren't either, although that's way more complex and has changed a lot in recent year (pirate bay closure, per example).

In terms you might understand, nintendo can't sue you for spoiling the end of their Pokemon movie even if that can potentially cause them to lose money from the people you tell the ending who then don't bother to go watch it and otherwise would.

And please read the example, because I know you too well, and I'm sure your next argument would of been "but dude lol, by distributing pirated copies you're hurting the sales lol".

I'm not saying it's right, the law didn't consider the internet when it was written, and thus that will slowly change.

It's still a delicate matter, because if the authors of the material are given too much law power then it could reach the point were making a mod for a game is a crime.

I wrote a paper in college about a similar topic (and this is the part were I'm actually giving my personal opinion), focused on videogames and how the easiest solution for companies would be to focus a lot of the game content server side, and have an EULA to be able to ban people at will from said content (using their self crafted EULA) making them unable to play. MMOs already do this (even though there's still emulated servers), but single player games could too, by storing saved games on their servers per example. All these things can be pirated and cost more money, but they would help IMO.

(pay special attention in that I exclusively used the term download, the moment you upload 1 bite of copyrighted material you are commiting a crime)

Sorry, but you're going to have to star explaining things a bit more thorough. To say that there's no copyright infringement laws regarding transfer of digital data is blatantly laughable! Unless you're talking about 'most countries' as 'at least half of all countries in the world, including 3rd world countries nobody here is from' or some other horribly out-of-context stuff.

In fact, those who distribute pirated material non-commercial aren't either, although that's way more complex and has changed a lot in recent year (pirate bay closure, per example).

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(pay special attention in that I exclusively used the term download, the moment you upload 1 bite of copyrighted material you are commiting a crime)
Mixed messages here.

I'm I wrote a paper in college about a similar topic (and this is the part were I'm actually giving my personal opinion), focused on videogames and how the easiest solution for companies would be to focus a lot of the game content server side, and have an EULA to be able to ban people at will from said content (using their self crafted EULA) making them unable to play. MMOs already do this (even though there's still emulated servers), but single player games could too, by storing saved games on their servers per example. All these things can be pirated and cost more money, but they would help IMO.
In theory, this would work. In practice, however, a huge portion of sales are from peope who don't have constant access to the internet.
That, and it's still far too easy to crack.

Mixed messages here.




Not a contradiction (I suppose this is what you mean) if we apply the law term of "non-commercial"

If Steam uses up too much RAM for you, you seriously need to upgrade your PC! It uses 13MB of ram for me.

Thats not wht i mean.....i have 2GB RAM memory......but i have A LOT of applications running at windows starts.....I dont want any more on the Wintray (I have 16 now)


It's not my opinion, you're wrong because you simply are. Downloading pirated content is not against the law, never has been, probably never will be.

Maybe not in your country.....here,in Argentina, is illegal, if the CD companies/internet companies/etc can prove that u downloaded pirated content u will be jailed (but its too difficult to prove that)
In some countries, like Japan, u can have whatever u want in ur computer as u dont sell it (including pedophile content and all the stuff)

Mixed messages here.he's actually correct on this part at least. downloading the stuff is largely not technically a crime. owning it is a crime I believe, and sharing it with others is DEFINITELY a crime, but the act of downloading is not.

but there's where I'm lost. to my understanding, owning a copy of a game that you did not pay for is where the illegality comes in. is that not the case in many countries, yakuza?

but there's where I'm lost. to my understanding, owning a copy of a game that you did not pay for is where the illegality comes in. is that not the case in many countries, yakuza?


The copyright law says that you are unable to reproduce content you haven't paid for, but in reality it means that you cannot reproduce content that hasn't been paid for (regardless of who the final client is). It doesn't specify who has to pay for it, otherwise we would be talking about personal contracts and then going to watch a movie in DVD to a friend's house would be a crime. And this is laregely why some countries have adopted a canon of technology.

The copyright law says that you are unable to reproduce content you haven't paid for, but in reality it means that you cannot reproduce content that hasn't been paid for (regardless of who the final client is). It doesn't specify who has to pay for it, otherwise we would be talking about personal contracts and then going to watch a movie in DVD to a friend's house would be a crime. And this is laregely why some countries have adopted a canon of technology.hmmm...I thought there was a portion of that including ownership as a crime....meh. I'd look it up but I simply don't care enough to do in-depth research.

hmmm...I thought there was a portion of that including ownership as a crime.

As i said......that depends on wich country u are living....here the ownership of illegal virtual content (including pirated content) is illegal.
But I think prohibiting the ownership of illegal content (virtually) is ridiculus coz they cant prove that u own it unless they come to ur home and completely scan ur computer, and that's against the rules of privacy in non-comunist countries.

Well, each country has its own laws, but for the UK anyway, it is specifically illegal to import, download, or currently have copyright-infringing material, according to the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.


I also found out that, funnily enough, it's still illegal to copy legal copyrighted data for personal use in the UK. Apparently, they're fixing that law now though.

So now....where is the Worms 2 Armageddon pc rls plz?

Question is, will there be a release of W2A for PC???? :confused:

Well, each country has its own laws, but for the UK anyway, it is specifically illegal to import, download, or currently have copyright-infringing material, according to the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.


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Which basically means downloading a movie from a torrent is not ilegal.

w2a for pc please! Now I have more faith in that worms clone called he..... i think it will be finished before any w2a release, it even has hats :-/ ... i want w2a for Christmas at least :( !!

Thats not wht i mean.....i have 2GB RAM memory......but i have A LOT of applications running at windows starts.....I dont want any more on the Wintray (I have 16 now)



Maybe not in your country.....here,in Argentina, is illegal, if the CD companies/internet companies/etc can prove that u downloaded pirated content u will be jailed (but its too difficult to prove that)
In some countries, like Japan, u can have whatever u want in ur computer as u dont sell it (including pedophile content and all the stuff)

theres an option in steam, as with most applications to turn off the setting that makes it run on start up. i too, didnt want to be bothered with steam popping up when my computer starts. i unchecked the setting and walla, i only start steam when i want to play a steam game :/ when your playing a game you don't even see steam in your tray :P

excuses, excuses



yakuza, are you sure? i've read in the news, that in the USA some lady got fining half million dollars for downloading copyrighted music. she didnt spread it, or sell it or upload it, she just downloaded it from eMule (when it was a P2P program)

yakuza, are you sure? i've read in the news, that in the USA some lady got fining half million dollars for downloading copyrighted music. she didnt spread it, or sell it or upload it, she just downloaded it from eMule (when it was a P2P program)

This can only happen if they can prove that no one paid for that music. That the original source infringed the copyright.

This can only happen if they can prove that no one paid for that music. That the original source infringed the copyright.really, now? that's a bit of fine print I've not heard of. interesting.

Is it illegal to have copyrighted music, films, video files on my computer?
With broadband internet connection and with such programs such LimeWire, BitTorrent, or Morpheus, it takes very little effort for someone to download songs, movies, television shows, or computer games. Sometimes, because it is easy to download copyrighted materials, it is tempting to believe it is legal to do so. But, it is only legal to download copyrighted materials under a few (rare) conditions:

1) If the copyrighted material is in the public domain (Public Domain means that the copyright has either expired or was never claimed. If you cannot find a copyright notice, it is smart to assume that a work has been copyrighted—since nearly all music, videos and movies are copyrighted).

2) If the copyrighted holder has given you permission (not likely for music and movies which are often sold for profit).

3) If you are making a copy under the fair use clause exception for the purpose of criticism, comment, news reporting, scholarly or instructional purposes. (once again, not likely for the recreational enjoyment of music or movies…because fair use only allows for the legal duplication of a small portion of the work…almost never the entire song, movie, or video).

4) If you have legally purchased a copy of the song or movie.

In most cases, the legal way to enjoy music, movies, or TV shows is to purchase a CD, DVD, or download a file through a legitimate music service like iTunes or Ruckus.

Is it illegal to share music, movies, or video files?
In most cases, it is illegal. When you purchase a media file (such as a movie or a music file), you are not actually purchasing the file itself. Rather, you are purchasing the media and an agreement to use that file in a specific way. This agreement (or a license) almost never allows you to facilitate the distribution (or copying) of that file to other users.

Unfortunately, if you have music (or other copyrighted materials) on a computer along with a file sharing application like LimeWire, you may be facilitating the distribution of those files to others on the internet—without even knowing about it. Programs like LimeWire are configured to search and share media files on your hard-drive with other internet users. As a result, if you have a file sharing application on your computer…you may be breaking copyright law without even realizing it.


You are wrong, yakuza. At least in the USA.

wow Miketh2005, you wasted your time writing all that for a couple of morons...

I didn't type it, I copy and pasted from a legal advice site.

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So you're saying that by buying a DVD you're buying the right to watch it yourself and that if you want to watch the movie with your family you have to pay the price times X were X is the number of members your family has?

So you're saying that by buying a DVD you're buying the right to watch it yourself and that if you want to watch the movie with your family you have to pay the price times X were X is the number of members your family has?that's not at all even a way to interpret what he posted. where the heck did you pull THAT from!?

theres an option in steam, as with most applications to turn off the setting that makes it run on start up. i too, didnt want to be bothered with steam popping up when my computer starts. i unchecked the setting and walla, i only start steam when i want to play a steam game :/ when your playing a game you don't even see steam in your tray :P

excuses, excuses


But my CPU isnt specially designed to play W2A.....in WA, for example, i play a shoopa.....then i do my homework.......then i play RR.....then my sis uses the CPU,etc.
If i use a Steam app and i open it and close it when i finish playing it will be like this.......*open Steam**log in* play shoopa*close steam*.......do homework......*open steam**log in* play RR*close steam*......my sis use the CPU*open....

But my CPU isnt specially designed to play W2A.....in WA, for example, i play a shoopa.....then i do my homework.......then i play RR.....then my sis uses the CPU,etc.
If i use a Steam app and i open it and close it when i finish playing it will be like this.......*open Steam**log in* play shoopa*close steam*.......do homework......*open steam**log in* play RR*close steam*......my sis use the CPU*open....or just leave steam running. it takes almost nothing in terms of resources. seriously. if you don't even WANT to consider liking steam, don't bother to pretend to argue credibly. if you hate steam because it's steam then there's nothing we can say.

that's not at all even a way to interpret what he posted. where the heck did you pull THAT from!?

I'm trying to allow you to figure out what it is you're interpreting wrongly.

I've had enough of this stupid argument with yakuza about the differences in anti-piracy laws in different countries - just because they have one law in Spain doesn't mean that law applies to the rest of the world.

Any more replies on this subject and I'll hand out some heavy infractions and lock this thread.

or just leave steam running. it takes almost nothing in terms of resources. seriously. if you don't even WANT to consider liking steam, don't bother to pretend to argue credibly. if you hate steam because it's steam then there's nothing we can say.

I dont want any more on the Wintray (I have 16 now)

I dunno about you, but I have a little arrow on my wintray and when you click on it, the wintray expands and shows all processes, Steam will remain hidden there, so you won't even notice it.

I dunno about you, but I have a little arrow on my wintray and when you click on it, the wintray expands and shows all processes, Steam will remain hidden there, so you won't even notice it.I don't think it really matters to him. it's there. that's a sin against man kind.

or just leave steam running. it takes almost nothing in terms of resources. seriously. if you don't even WANT to consider liking steam, don't bother to pretend to argue credibly. if you hate steam because it's steam then there's nothing we can say.

LOL....u got the point.....I hate Steam and thats all.

this must be the stupidest most retarded idiot i've EVER seen...

All aboard the irony train!

I was thinking about the DLC which will be released on the xbox version and how all that will work out for the PC?? I really hope that Team17 give the PC complete game ( console DLC included) and dont do DLC'c for the PC which cost because that will fail completely, i will for sure buy it but most PC players wont is my fear..what do you guys think??

If the DLC costs money on the xbox, then I see no problem with it costing for the PC, however if it is free for the xbox then I would expect it to be free for the PC to. Maybe as a free patch at some point.

loging in the f**king steam every time i want to play a single game....
You have the option to save your password, as well as auto-start Steam on Windows launch.
That way, you can click the desktop shortcuts to your games without any delay in loading or logging in.
if u run out of internet u can play ur games (u have to be online to ''go offline'')
No, you can launch Steam in offline mode if you have activated storing of local user data.

The only argument that I see against Steam is, that all games are permanently tied to one account, preventing you from re-selling them. Also, selling of whole accounts is prohibited either.
This doesn't affect me, because I'm a collector and would never sell a game anyway.

In addition, I would never ever again use any internet connection other than 24/7 connected broadband with high download rates (no pre-paid crap that you can "run out of").
So, MtlAngelus is right in a way that Steam is not for poor people who can't afford the internets. ;)
Besides, Valve recommends broadband connection for Steam. Also, most modern games (on Steam) need a good connection anyway.
Yes, that's what Worms 4:Mayhem used, as Akuryou mentioned above.
Only the release by Codemasters. The US release by Majesco didn't use Starforce AFAIR.

Release PC Game.

kthx

Release PC Game.

kthx

Please do! :(

Please do! :(

hell yeah!!

hell yeah!!

+1 :cool: we'll be lucky to get it this year i guess

this must be the stupidest most retarded idiot i've EVER seen...

U, like many here, must be the most coled and intolerant ppl i have ever seen......why u just cant understant i dont like steam at all.......is that hard to understand?

U, like many here, must be the most coled and intolerant ppl i have ever seen......why u just cant understant i dont like steam at all.......is that hard to understand?

OK thats fine, you have said that a lot on this thread, we understand, now you just keep it to yourself and let the thread follow its course ;)

What MRSample said-

Back on topic..one thing i hope the PC version has for sure among many others is the homing pigeon, my favorite weapon :D

Yeah, and flamethrower, that's my weapon sir, I think the Holy Grenade is overrated just because it sings, its a cool weapon, though.;)

However, TEAM17 seem to have moved their focus to Alien Breed, wich looks like a good game, but they should concentrate on this game because it came first. The delay between releases on the confirmed platforms is taking too long to be sincere...

OK thats fine, you have said that a lot on this thread, we understand, now you just keep it to yourself and let the thread follow its course
Ya, thats wht im trying like 3 posts ago.....but Steamtards keep on the quotes...

Back on topic..one thing i hope the PC version has for sure among many others is the homing pigeon, my favorite weapon
I just hope they add "Something" for the PC ver...lets hope weapons, but if they add "something" i will be happy.

I want sheep to jump out of a crate if you blow the crate up and it had a sheep in it.

Oh, and Sheep Heaven, please.

On both PS3 and PC... please.

U, like many here, must be the most coled and intolerant ppl i have ever seen......why u just cant understant i dont like steam at all.......is that hard to understand?
Your hatred for steam is entirely dogmatic. You hate steam because you want to hate steam. That is ignorance, and ignorance does not deserve to be tolerated.

Yea, almost in every country downloading pirated content is illegal......but nobody controls the piratery.....so lets say that downloading illegal games is inmoral everywere.
You ARE completely wrong.

Here in Austria it is perfectly legal to:
--make copies of audio and video content (music and movies) for friends and family
--download such copies, regardless of the source.

You may not:
--circumvent a copy protection (i.e. crack the code)
--you may not upload (i.e. distribute without a license)

Also, it's called "piracy".

Yes but will this game be coming to PC or not?

U, like many here, must be the most coled and intolerant ppl i have ever seen......why u just cant understant i dont like steam at all.......is that hard to understand?

its just hard to believe that someone just doesn't like something... just... BECAUSE.

You ARE completely wrong.
Here in Austria...
Hey did say almost every country.

RETARDSSSSSS

dont want to name them but they know who they are

Your hatred for steam is entirely dogmatic. You hate steam because you want to hate steam. That is ignorance, and ignorance does not deserve to be tolerated.

I have my reasons....i tried to explain them.....but i just gave up trying to explain my reasons coz everybody here seems to LOVE steam.....so it makes no sense to explain anything......lets just say im ignorant and poor like u said ;)

You ARE completely wrong.

Here in Austria it is perfectly legal to:
--make copies of audio and video content (music and movies) for friends and family
--download such copies, regardless of the source.

okok....but here in argentina is illegal to download pirated content.....so im not COMPLETELY WRONG.

RETARDSSSSSS

dont want to name them but they know who they aregiven that you've not provided even a slight amount of context, I'd say they probably don't. though you're putting forth a good argument for your own standing on the issue with that post.

and jsg. it's as Mtl said. you hate steam just because you want to hate steam. that's not only ignorance, it's WILLFUL ignorance. that well beyond deserves not to be tolerated. it deserves all the abuse it gets.

edit: I have my reasons....i tried to explain them.....but i just gave up trying to explain my reasons coz everybody here seems to LOVE steam.....so it makes no sense to explain anything......lets just say im ignorant and poor like u said ;)you explained and we DID understand. your reasons just didn't make sense. we tried to tell you that, and you said we're just steam lovers so we can't understand. you're not listening because you don't want to listen just like you hate steam just because you want to hate steam. dont' pin any of it on us here.

I want to hate steam....so let me hate it.....can i hate it?......thx a lot!

I want to hate steam....so let me hate it.....can i hate it?......thx a lot!hate it all you want, but have a REASON to hate it. doing something without reason is simply foolish and you can't expect others to understand or tolerate you when you do it.

okok....but here in argentina is illegal to download pirated content.....so im not COMPLETELY WRONG.

Argentina's rule in this subject is very similar if not equal to Austria's. But hey, let's drop this, I don't want to get infracted for explaining the truth to a bunch of uninformed idiots once again who think the UK and USA account for "most countries in the world"

Argentina's rule in this subject is very similar if not equal to Austria's. But hey, let's drop this, I don't want to get infracted for explaining the truth to a bunch of uninformed idiots once again who think the UK and USA account for "most countries in the world"
I think the fact that you're going "I know a country's laws better than its own inhabitants, but you have to take my word for it cause I'm never gonna back up my claims" is where people have a problem with this. That, and the fact that you're constantly insulting and patronising them in the process. I'd like to think the latter is more of a reason for infraction... which is why I still don't get how you're not Being Watched already!

I think the fact that you're going "I know a country's laws better than its own inhabitants, but you have to take my word for it cause I'm never gonna back up my claims" is where people have a problem with this. That, and the fact that you're constantly insulting and patronising them in the process. I'd like to think the latter is more of a reason for infraction... which is why I still don't get how you're not Being Watched already!

Read your post backwards and it makes sense:

I'm calling people who don't know the laws of their own countries better than a foreigner idiots.

Read your post backwards and it makes sense:

I'm calling people who don't know the laws of their own countries better than a foreigner idiots.and doing so without actually providing any evidence of your claims. you can hardly expect us to take your word when every other word out of you is insulting for no reason.

and doing so without actually providing any evidence of your claims. you can hardly expect us to take your word when every other word out of you is insulting for no reason.

There's no need for me to prove anything regarding information that anyone can inmediatly obtain for free, face it, you're being ignorants, you rather be ignorants and make a post than shut up and make none.

There's no need for me to prove anything regarding information that anyone can inmediatly obtain for free, face it, you're being ignorants, you rather be ignorants and make a post than shut up and make none.you're throwing nebulous data into the air and expecting us to know its source?

for one, you keep talking about multiple countries. how are we supposed to know which ones you're referring to so that we COULD look it up?

for two, you're referencing EXTREMELY SPECIFIC points in those laws. for instance, I googled "argentina's anti-piracy laws" and came up with this: http://www1.american.edu/carmel/gg7870a/Legal.htm

according to that site it's illegal to pirate media in argentina, but you've been referring to specific wordings on the laws in the countries you're referring to. I'm sure if I spent hours searching the different databases I would eventually come up with information specific enough to verify or contradict your claims, but instead you could just post your own results on the research you've apparently already done. and also, logically, the laws you're speaking of would be in spanish, a language I do not speak. I'm sure there are english records of these same laws, but short of spending another number of hours researching, you could simply provide that same research again. you claim to know these laws, so realistically you should know the specific places to find the information. and yet all you're doing is slinging insults around like a child, while claiming your own superiority over all of us. so from now on, instead of proclaiming you know all about a subject, try actually PROVING you know anything at all first. if you know where to find these laws, tell us where to look or just quote them.

you're throwing nebulous data into the air and expecting us to know its source?

for one, you keep talking about multiple countries. how are we supposed to know which ones you're referring to so that we COULD look it up?

for two, you're referencing EXTREMELY SPECIFIC points in those laws. for instance, I googled "argentina's anti-piracy laws" and came up with this: http://www1.american.edu/carmel/gg7870a/Legal.htm

according to that site it's illegal to pirate media in argentina, but you've been referring to specific wordings on the laws in the countries you're referring to. I'm sure if I spent hours searching the different databases I would eventually come up with information specific enough to verify or contradict your claims, but instead you could just post your own results on the research you've apparently already done. and also, logically, the laws you're speaking of would be in spanish, a language I do not speak. I'm sure there are english records of these same laws, but short of spending another number of hours researching, you could simply provide that same research again. you claim to know these laws, so realistically you should know the specific places to find the information. and yet all you're doing is slinging insults around like a child, while claiming your own superiority over all of us. so from now on, instead of proclaiming you know all about a subject, try actually PROVING you know anything at all first. if you know where to find these laws, tell us where to look or just quote them.

So what you're saying here is that you have not a clue about this topic and demand me to search for evidence to serve it on a plate for you because you're unable to do so yourself.

I don't need to prove anything, it always comes down to this, I've done my research and am not willing to do it again just to spoon feed you.

You're just assuming there's a possibility I'm wrong, let me ask you, do you sincerly believe I'm wrong? Or do you know deep inside that I wouldn't go through all this if I wasn't right?

I know these laws to hear, I know how much the media transverses these laws to their own benefit. Argentina is a school example, for the record, since its anti-piracy law says that media piracy is subject to the penal law and there's no such a thing as penal law for computing crimes. These holes, albeit not so prominent, exist in most countries in Europe and South America (I'll have to admit I'm not sure about France, since they've changed it recently).

You don't need a law degree to understand any of this, it's very simple, the day the law says that downloading media is ilegal is the day you won't be able to buy DVD and bring it to your house, because it would be putting ease to the copyright law, by implying that anyone can watch that media at your house without paying for it. And this will never happen.

So what you're saying here is that you have not a clue about this topic and demand me to search for evidence to serve it on a plate for you because you're unable to do so yourself.

I don't need to prove anything, it always comes down to this, I've done my research and am not willing to do it again just to spoon feed you.what I'm saying is I have only a basic understanding of this subject and I would like to gain more knowledge on the matter. you seem to have that knowledge, and so I would like you to share. that's the entire point of discussing any topic. you, however, seem to get some smug sense of satisfaction from refusing to share your knowledge with others and in doing so you sling claims around without ever providing evidence of your knowledge. I'm asking you to point me to where you got these supposed facts, because I am unable to find them myself. the internet is a big place and you always argue very specific points that you KNOW damn well that none of us can prove because of how specific you are with them.

You're just assuming there's a possibility I'm wrong, let me ask you, do you sincerly believe I'm wrong? Or do you know deep inside that I wouldn't go through all this if I wasn't right? I don't begin to know one way or another. your arguments SEEM logical, but my own knowledge on the matter contradicts your claims. everything I can see, for instance, says it's illegal to pirate media in argentina. you, however, are providing some fairly convincing arguments that that is not the case. unfortunately you ALWAYS provide very sound arguments, but you never back them up with any facts whatsoever. since you've never once proven yourself to be right, all I can conclude is that either you're making **** up to make yourself look better or you're just a smug ******* who gets his jollies from knowing things that others don't. I have no way of knowing your tendency towards lying because I can almost never prove you wrong due to the way that you argue a point.

I'm here to learn. if I argue it's because my knowledge on a subject contradicts your own, and I would like to be told why that's the case. I'm perfectly fine with being wrong, by all means prove to me that my knowledge is inaccurate. but PROVE that I'm wrong, don't just say so and expect me to believe you just because you claim you know what you're talking about.

I know these laws to hear, I know how much the media transverses these laws to their own benefit. Argentina is a school example, for the record, since its anti-piracy law says that media piracy is subject to the penal law and there's no such a thing as penal law for computing crimes. These holes, albeit not so prominent, exist in most countries in Europe and South America (I'll have to admit I'm not sure about France, since they've changed it recently).

You don't need a law degree to understand any of this, it's very simple, the day the law says that downloading media is ilegal is the day you won't be able to buy DVD and bring it to your house, because it would be putting ease to the copyright law, by implying that anyone can watch that media at your house without paying for it. And this will never happen.well obviously downloading in general isn't going to be illegal. we're not talking about that, we're specifically talking about illegally downloading content you never purchased in any form. obviously even where it IS illegal you're not likely to be reprimanded for it because it's so hard to prove, but the argument here is that it IS, at least technically, illegal. you're saying it's not illegal. please explain. and please do so in some way someone other than yourself can prove.

I want to hate steam....so let me hate it.....can i hate it?......thx a lot!

I'm fine with that. Hate Steam if you like, whether you have reasons to or not.

What's more upsetting is how judgemental people are being.

you hate steam just because you want to hate steam. that's not only ignorance, it's WILLFUL ignorance. that well beyond deserves not to be tolerated. it deserves all the abuse it gets.

Get off your high horse, Aku. Why should you care whether someone likes Steam or not or whether they have reasons to or not?

More to the point, why should anyone else care why you care?

Also, this whole piracy discussion is centred around Steam, unless I'm mistaken. It's a pointless discussion since the laws are there and real whether we know them or not.

Everyone: if you want to know the laws for your country, look them up. Don't expect someone else to tell you about them and then get angry if you disagree or find out they were wrong. Again, who cares what one person says? The laws are fact so look them up.

Furthermore, there's virtually no copy protection which hasn't been obliterated. I don't really think copy protection should come into the end-user's decision over whether or not they buy a game. If, for example, you want to miss out on a whole game just because you don't like the copy protection then maybe you shouldn't be playing games. Maybe you have your priorities wrong.

And no, I don't care what anyone's opinion on the above is because whether you have your reasons or not you'll make those decisions. You might disagree with me but ultimately I am correct. That's fact. Look it up.

Get off your high horse, Aku. Why should you care whether someone likes Steam or not or whether they have reasons to or not?he brought up that he hates steam. we asked why. he made his argument, and we found it made no sense, so we called him on it. he defended his point despite a lack of reason. we pointed out that and he continued to argue. if he wants to hate steam for no reason then let him continue his ignorance, but going onto a public forum and proclaiming you hate something is going to cause people to ask why. if you have no reason, then why go onto that public forum with your lack of opinion?

More to the point, why should anyone else care why you care?feel free not to, but jsg does. hence the discussion.

Everyone: if you want to know the laws for your country, look them up. Don't expect someone else to tell you about them and then get angry if you disagree or find out they were wrong. Again, who cares what one person says? The laws are fact so look them up. I'm fairly certain I DO know the copyright laws of my country. from what I've seen I do, anyway. Yakuza claims I am wrong in my knowledge. I'm asking him to give me evidence of my being incorrect because the evidence I've found says that HE is wrong. I'm not going to just accept that he's right despite my evidence to the contrary unless he provides better evidence of his position. the others in this thread share my opinion as well, while yakuza is the only one claiming we're incorrect. I'd like to know where he gets his information.

this thread is fairly useless. if you dislike reading the arguments, feel free not to. you're not missing much.

You're all wasting valuable disk space on the Internet.

You're all wasting valuable disk space on the Internet.you've clearly never been to 4chan :p

And I've had enough of this thread.


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