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Just a little art to reopen part of the discussion already started here (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=36130)(yes, i took the time to read the whole thing, including the weather discussion) and, more recently, here (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=684681&postcount=29), but never quite finished.

So, yea, i "left" the community a while ago (due to college consuming just about 99% of my life). Every year, during my holidays, i stop by to see how things are and what's new. And i have to admit it made me very sad when i came back this year and saw the forum the way it is, almost abandoned.

So i invoke you all who care or once cared about this place to give ideas on how to keep the little light that lingers on this forum/community from vanishing into the darkness forever. Of course some things that would hugely contribute to keep the forum alive are beyond our reach, such as T17 releasing new PC games, for instance. Let's focus on what WE can do. And we CAN do something.

The problem as i see it: few veterans, no newbies and lack of general interest.

My first suggestion:
Open the fanart (and community) section for the visitors to see. It will attract new people in the medium term and help to create some sort of a member buffer zone, in which there is always newbies becoming veterans.

And it's about now the thread start to get rants about art theft.
Art theft is inevitable. If something is on the internet and someone wants to steal it, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. That applies to everything. There are means to recreate just about every piece of information that is displayed - and, therefore, downloaded - to your computer through the web.

Someone once told me that the only safe way to protect something on the internet is not to put it on the internet. Wise person.


Like worMatty said, if something gets posted here first, it's an automatic proof of authenticity and it ends any discussion that could be raised on the mather of ownership of the art in question.
I really don't understand what's the big deal of fanart theft anyway. It's not like we're making something worthy of any theft here. We're all just having fun and learning and helping each other.
If you're really worried about art theft, there're other ways to sign your art digitaly in order for it to be recognized as yours.
In which wicked world preventing people to see the art is a good way to stop it from being stolen?

I'm doing what i can to bring back life to this place. If you have other opinions and thoughts on how to do so, please, share.

This' just my opinion. I would like to hear yours.

Hear Hear! Well said that man!

Measures to boost the forum, eh?
Mmm, not entirely sure what we as members can do... we could open up a general discussion area perhaps... then there can at least be off topic discussion there. That always attracts people to forums...

Mmm, not entirely sure what we as members can do... we could open up a general discussion area perhaps... then there can at least be off topic discussion there. That always attracts people to forums...

Suggested a few times. Team 17 don't want their bandwith to be filled with offtopicness, so an offtopic area would probably never be created.

I agree with Error on all of this though, hopefully soon we can see some change in the fanart forum.

It shouldn't be too much of a problem to open up the Fanart forum to be viewable by guests. Would probably be worth putting it to a poll though, so its semi-"official".

If anyone has any other ideas, please post here!

About fanart theft - the worst thing that can happen is having it stolen, made into a bootleg product and then sold somewhere like eBay, which has happened to my art at least once. Even if it was just a small badge using my old Count Duckula fanart, they still made money from it and it upset me an awful lot. Alas, it can only be agreed that there ain't much you can do to prevent any art theft at all.

Gee, this isn't as fun as it used to be is it? :/ I've only come back here because I needed help with Open Warfare 2 but I figured it all out by now. The whole game is so trial and error.

Making competition winners get user titles? Like in the old days, where I wasn't still around. But I've heard something about Zero getting "cartoonist" or something.

Just to encourage people, I don't know... I hope it doesn't turn into a "everyone posts their entry" making it to become 3 good entries VS 50 horrible ones...

I'm not sure what to say about this thread. I agree that there was a time when the forum activity was more enjoyable but I'm not sure getting new blood for the sake of new blood is worth all the bloodshed.

If anything those of us who are here should try to raise the bar of what we alredy have. For example, more constructive criticism on art; instead of just "nice job", how about "you need to focus on improving your eyes". This will help everyone improve, regardless of how good they are and as a result a higher quantity of higher quality art will be produced.

Making competition winners get user titles?
Give me my sixes.

It shouldn't be too much of a problem to open up the Fanart forum to be viewable by guests. Would probably be worth putting it to a poll though, so its semi-"official".
All set. ;)

About fanart theft - the worst thing that can happen is having it stolen, made into a bootleg product and then sold somewhere like eBay, which has happened to my art at least once. Even if it was just a small badge using my old Count Duckula fanart, they still made money from it and it upset me an awful lot. Alas, it can only be agreed that there ain't much you can do to prevent any art theft at all.
Except from showing eBay you own the art, there isn't much you can do indeed. They chould've simply ripped the art out of Count Duckula original series and whatnot - it would be Disney's problem, then - but it would change very little to the thief himself.

I really don't see the "let's not show the fanart so it doesn't get stolen" as a solution.
Gee, this isn't as fun as it used to be is it? :/ I've only come back here because I needed help with Open Warfare 2 but I figured it all out by now. The whole game is so trial and error.
Trial and ME? :eek:
Making competition winners get user titles? Like in the old days, where I wasn't still around. But I've heard something about Zero getting "cartoonist" or something.

Just to encourage people, I don't know... I hope it doesn't turn into a "everyone posts their entry" making it to become 3 good entries VS 50 horrible ones...
It would be good, indeed. Maybe even some badges for tournament? Like trophies? That would be cool as well!
I'm not sure what to say about this thread. I agree that there was a time when the forum activity was more enjoyable but I'm not sure getting new blood for the sake of new blood is worth all the bloodshed.

If anything those of us who are here should try to raise the bar of what we alredy have. For example, more constructive criticism on art; instead of just "nice job", how about "you need to focus on improving your eyes". This will help everyone improve, regardless of how good they are and as a result a higher quantity of higher quality art will be produced.


Give me my sixes.
I don't see how they have to be mutual exclusive, Vader. We can open it to guests AND help people to improve.

But at least from where i stand, there isn't much (i'm being nice here, i meant "any") art to criticize at all. We need fresh blood. Newbies. People that we can help in the basics of drawing. :)

But at least from where i stand, there isn't much (i'm being nice here, i meant "any") art to criticize at all. We need fresh blood. Newbies. People that we can help in the basics of drawing. :)

I beg to differ. Since coming back from I've posted a few things in my - V A D E R - thread and the response has been minimal. Minimal.

Should I assume it's good enough to not require any comments or that it's so bad nobody cares to even look at the thread?

I beg to differ. Since coming back from I've posted a few things in my - V A D E R - thread and the response has been minimal. Minimal.

Should I assume it's good enough to not require any comments or that it's so bad nobody cares to even look at the thread?
The former, always the former! A lot of people don't like having an entire post just saying "Very good!".

Duckula isn't Disney though but still belongs to a tough company.

With over 500 pictures of mine in total I dread to think of what's on those crappy slideshows on Youtube usually done by European teenage girls. :confused:

I've been looking at Splapp and Huntakilla's old comics lately and man, as silly as they are looking at them now, I can't block out all the memories of 2004. I can't believe how nooby I was either lawl, I mean I can't believe I didn't know what Gamespy was.

I've still got some of my old worms fanart archived (http://pics.livejournal.com/cairnterror/tags/worms/) if anyone wants to see it.

That was my bad, actually, Vader.

I'll go there and amend it right now. :)

Nonetheless, it's needless to say that you and i posting frequently isn't even close to a desireable level of activity. Don't you agree?

Bring back the official T17 compos with merchandise as prizes and quizzes like the Christmas one.
IIRC, Worms Blast was the last game that had related compos, and the W3D pre-release quiz was the last quiz.
:(

Do publisher not produce any merchandise anymore these days? Not even the big console ones like Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft? :-/

I've still got some of my old worms fanart archived (http://pics.livejournal.com/cairnterror/tags/worms/) if anyone wants to see it.
What is it with everyone drawing Psyke back then?

Probably something to do with how he had a huge crush on every girl in the place, but ah well.

I wonder if worms 2 condoms still exist XD!!! I'd love to have some for the lulz.

I would like to post more art and more often, but simple drawings on paper gets boring after a while, and I can't do digital art for now
With the new PC, I'll do it more often, and will be able to learn to use Photoshop as well
But for now... maybe one or two drawings on paper, once in a while, and that's it :confused:

I'd love to have some for the lulz.
I'd like to have two of them - one as a collectible and one for my worm.

Probably something to do with how he had a huge crush on every girl in the place, but ah well.
I wonder if worms 2 condoms still exist XD!!! I'd love to have some for the lulz.
BAAAAAAD TIMING!!

Bring back the official T17 compos with merchandise as prizes and quizzes like the Christmas one.
IIRC, Worms Blast was the last game that had related compos, and the W3D pre-release quiz was the last quiz.
There was the 'guess how much damage I did' compo by Sel, around W:OW's release. Which I ended up winning,

A lot of people don't like having an entire post just saying "Very good!".

That's why I think people should be encouraged to write more than just "very good" or "nice one".

That was my bad, actually, Vader.

I'll go there and amend it right now. :)

Oh, it's not something you've done wrong, it's a general sense of apathy towards proper critique.


Nonetheless, it's needless to say that you and i posting frequently isn't even close to a desireable level of activity. Don't you agree?

I agree. I think if people saw more constructive criticism on the forum in general they might be more inclined to post new art. One of the things I used to love about posting art here was the feedback - and it's feedback from fans of the same series, too, not just feedback from artists like you'd get on deviantArt or something.

I wonder if worms 2 condoms still exist XD!!! I'd love to have some for the lulz.

Were there W2 ones? I have a WA one somewhere...

I think so, that's what I was shown anyway.

About Psyke, he has a girlfriend now and it ain't me [another lonely Valentine's for me. Not to worry, because it's inspired a new worms fanart]. =P

I've still got some of my old worms fanart archived if anyone wants to see it.
Always good to see those. You should have that posted on your thread or something. :)
ring back the official T17 compos with merchandise as prizes and quizzes like the Christmas one.
IIRC, Worms Blast was the last game that had related compos, and the W3D pre-release quiz was the last quiz.


Do publisher not produce any merchandise anymore these days? Not even the big console ones like Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft?
Bonz... we, bonz... not T17. :p
What is it with everyone drawing Psyke back then?
He had a pretty creative and fun sigworm... he was a douche, but... his sigworm was fun and even i had fun drawing it.
I would like to post more art and more often, but simple drawings on paper gets boring after a while, and I can't do digital art for now
With the new PC, I'll do it more often, and will be able to learn to use Photoshop as well
But for now... maybe one or two drawings on paper, once in a while, and that's it
Have you seen HK art? She absolutely kick ass with plain white paper and colour pencils.
http://black-charizard.deviantart.com/gallery/#Worms

And you can count on my for photoshop tips. ;)

That first poll choice is fantastic for numerous reasons.
I agree. I think if people saw more constructive criticism on the forum in general they might be more inclined to post new art. One of the things I used to love about posting art here was the feedback - and it's feedback from fans of the same series, too, not just feedback from artists like you'd get on deviantArt or something.
I would love to give constructive criticism here, but I'm just not a superb drawer. I don't feel like I could legitimately criticise your work because you and a load of other people are so much better at art than I am. That, and I think the last time I was able to give constructive criticism in a thread it basically fell on deaf ears anyway so ho hum.

Especially with regards to the work in your thread and Error's thread and the other great artists, what can I say? It's excellent stuff, but I don't feel like saying "that's great!" after every image, because it's kind of a bit pointless and goes nowhere fast. I'd give constructive criticism if I were capable, which I'm not, so I've not really got much else to contribute.

Actually that's not true, I could draw stuff myself, but I'm a bit short on time these days as it's my last year at university and worth 2/3rds of my total degree, so I don't want to spend all my time drawing worms badly :p

I feel your pain, my friend.

But we can always take criticism. I, for instance, criticize a lot of stuff that i'm not capable of doing. You don't have to know how to do it right to know that something has been done wrong. :p

I would love some criticism on my jokes, for example. As people seemed to love Metal Alex entry and hate the joke i thought about during several hours (yes, that Agent Luke's being Vader's son one) ending up like crap. :p

Hell, even my art isn't perfect. Come on. Nobody is so good that has nothing to learn... wel... with maybe the exception of Splapp... :rolleyes:

On a side not, i would LOVE to hear Tal05's opinion, since he voted against the opening of the forum. :p

But we can always take criticism. I, for instance, criticize a lot of stuff that i'm not capable of doing. You don't have to know how to do it right to know that something has been done wrong. :p



Yeah, just think how many movie critics are excellent directors...


Aboutthe openning of the forums
I agreed, since I got a little upset too, when trying to see the arts, and they're all closed. It's frustrating :confused:

On a side not, i would LOVE to hear Tal05's opinion, since he voted against the opening of the forum. :p

Perhaps he is just genuinely concerned about the potential theft of his soul?



Yes, this part of the forum should be open to guests. It feels like such an odd thing to keep private.

I find more likely he thinks Melon is fugly. :p

I find it more likely he thinks Melon is fugly. :p
Impossible.

I would love to give constructive criticism here, but I'm just not a superb drawer. I don't feel like I could legitimately criticise your work because you and a load of other people are so much better at art than I am.

Come on dude, I'm not the best artist in the world but I know what I do and don't like and more importantly, why. I mean, you can tell crap art from good art; if you're not sure why you like one thing and not another then working it out is a good way to improve your own art, as well as criticise others'.

Besides, it's not like we're going to say "Well let's see you do better, then", is it?

What I would suggest, is been a little more gentle on the artists....

There are some artists who just say "it sucks" "its horrible" "its bad" don't say this. For some people the truth hurts, and it may discourage them from their work. Instead say "Its not bad, I can see potential" or something like that. This will encourage the artist to carry on. Then give your criticism.

Of course, people who ignore or don't accept criticism should be treated differently.

What I would suggest, is been a little more gentle on the artists....

There are some artists who just say "it sucks" "its horrible" "its bad" don't say this. For some people the truth hurts, and it may discourage them from their work. Instead say "Its not bad, I can see potential" or something like that. This will encourage the artist to carry on. Then give your criticism.

Of course, people who ignore or don't accept criticism should be treated differently.not the problem here. we don't HAVE anyone to tell those things to atm. find us people to critique and we'll try to be nice about it :p

I had an idea that might work:

· First we need to open the forum for guests;
· Second we need to make art that's worth seeing;
· Third we post that art on DeviantArt or whichever art site you prefer (that has a community, preferentially) and put a link on the comment saying something like "If you wanna see more, check out *link here*";
· Fourth we sit and watch the new members come

Of course, we would still have to make this place attractive to the newcommers, with possibly some interesting contests with "forum prizes" (such as status, badges and stuff).

What you guys think!?

That's quite a long-term plan, you know?

We're already on our way to the first stage, which is great :)

I had an idea that might work:

· First we need to open the forum for guests;
· Second we need to make art that's worth seeing;
· Third we post that art on DeviantArt or whichever art site you prefer (that has a community, preferentially) and put a link on the comment saying something like "If you wanna see more, check out *link here*";
· Fourth we sit and watch the new members come

Of course, we would still have to make this place attractive to the newcommers, with possibly some interesting contests with "forum prizes" (such as status, badges and stuff).

What you guys think!?

Wouldn't it be better to do the second thing first and the first thing second? On the odd chance that a guest does come along and see the art that isn't worth seeing because the art that is worth seeing hasn't yet been created :p

Also, just to clarify, when you say "open the forum for guests", do you just mean that the guests can see posts and attachments, or so that they can post as well (the second option = very very bad from a lazy moderator's point of view ;))

Wouldn't it be better to do the second thing first and the first thing second? On the odd chance that a guest does come along and see the art that isn't worth seeing because the art that is worth seeing hasn't yet been created
Oh... i meant the art that we would post on dA/other community... it has to look good to attract people... those people would think "Oh my glod*, that's awesome! How could i miss this for so long" and come here! :p

There's already art worth seeing here. The only problem is that we can't link here cause they won't see squat... we'll, actually, they'll see that "You can't view this, please register" message. Which is rather annoying.
Also, just to clarify, when you say "open the forum for guests", do you just mean that the guests can see posts and attachments, or so that they can post as well (the second option = very very bad from a lazy moderator's point of view )
First one, for sure. Nobody wants guests with posting powers... that's... very very very bad (if you guys watch seinfeld, i'm making Babu's finger negative right now). :)

not the problem here. we don't HAVE anyone to tell those things to atm. find us people to critique and we'll try to be nice about it :p

Its not a big problem, and its not happening right now, but I have seen it happen. If we want a lot of new artists here, people do need to be a bit nicer in criticism.

Always good to see those. You should have that posted on your thread or something. :)

If I even make a new thread [I'm cautious about bumping here] I'll be posting fresh. The last one was done two years ago when I played Mayhem for a while.

I hardly get any crit at all even if I ask, and when I do ask for it I get quite unconstructive stuff like 'lol gb2 pencils!'. That said, I still can't give crit for the very life of me because I just know that I'll end up starting a cold war between said person; plus I'm still a bit funny with unsweetened crit.

Bump your old thread - I bumped mine!

Check it out (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18008) - see how Error slated my art even though I thought it was great? Well, I learned something from that. What I learned hasn't made it from my brain into my hand yet but that's part of the process. :)

Oh, and there's quite a lot of spam in that thread... ahhhh, good old days. I miss Traxada.

Oh... i meant the art that we would post on dA/other community... it has to look good to attract people... those people would think "Oh my glod*, that's awesome! How could i miss this for so long" and come here! :p

There's already art worth seeing here. The only problem is that we can't link here cause they won't see squat... we'll, actually, they'll see that "You can't view this, please register" message. Which is rather annoying.



This is a very good idea, imo
I've send links from here to some friends once, just to find out that they coudn't see anything, and I had forgotten that...
Links is the main thing about attracting prople

http://the-error404.deviantart.com/art/The-worm-in-the-iron-mask-112472395
That guy could be a potential new forumer if the forum was already open for guests... :)

I'm just making a wild guess here, but I have a hunch that anyone called Anonimous21 would not be exactly prime forum material.

I'll repeat myself one last time: we don't want prime material. We want people.

On a sidenote, he's been nice to me ever since he first commented on my page, so i don't really see anything wrong with the guy.

What first attracted me here was when IguanaRay suggested I could come here when I started posting Worms fanart on DA. I think that was round about the time I started using the Photoshop pen tool too. Man I miss those days so much.

So we have 95% of the people in favor of opening the forum for the guests to view. Are we setled!?

So far we have:• Give constructive criticism (not agressive and pointless) and/or feedback on the art (nobody likes to spend 4 hours drawing something for it to be viewed 20 times and commented none) - Vader;

• Art competitions with virtual prizes (forum status, image trophies on the signature, etc) - MetalAlex;

• Posting our art in other communities (such as deviantart.com) and linking here once the forum is public - Myself;


I don't know how much of you still play W:A, but i find that we could schedule a few matches to improve our "bonding", just as football teams do. Dunno... just a thought i have while i was taking a look at Slick's W:A map: http://slickster.deviantart.com/art/Worms-Armageddon-MAP-Team17-28768034

Can you guys think of other measures to improve the forum and bring back its life?

Well, now that I have W:A I would love to take part in a competition of some sorts.

I don't know how much of you still play W:A, but i find that we could schedule a few matches to improve our "bonding", just as football teams do. Dunno... just a thought i have while i was taking a look at Slick's W:A map: http://slickster.deviantart.com/art/Worms-Armageddon-MAP-Team17-28768034

I'd gladly do, if it wasn't for my CD being damaged beyond repair... I'll try to find another somehow, though :p

Also, that map's sweet. Gives me good memories, from when I joined... I'm not too old here, but I remember signing on after seeing Eye On Legs.

If I can get my DS registered [have to get wireless internets first though d'oh] I'll be up for some rounds on Open Warfare 2.

My vote is based on the fugliness of melon

Get out. Now.

Second option is getting your ass banned >: (

I'm constantly on XFire. hit me up for some W:A action. so long as I have time I'm usually up for a game.

I play W:A a lot, so I am always up for a game. :) Maybe we could organize a little tournament or something.

Yeah someone start a tournament now! :mad:

MtlAngelus used RAAAAAAAGE!

MtlAngelus is thrashing about!

GrimOswald started a tournament!

Attack was super effective!

MtlAngelus, return!

Go, Plasma!

Plasma! Use SPLASH!

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Wait, wrong game.

If it's a sheep BnG competition then I'm game ;)

hysteria or gtfo :cool:

I support hysteria. It's too damn fun not to be done.

What about some T17 merchandise designing tournament? Just like deviantWEAR's Design Battle competition.

Have a contest, design something (shirt, game boxart, mugs, helmets, slorg ownar, etc) and winner gets a cash prize and the merchandise with his/her design.

Benefits:

1) More interaction and incentive
2) Team17 saves money from not having to pay designers to design their merchandise
3) <insert another benefit here>

Yeah... that won't work.

Maybe it would, envetually. But this' something that T17 would have to do and there's very little we can do about it apart from waiting.

I was refering to more concrete actions we can take ourselves.

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How about making partnership with some worm league!? Like putting banners and so!? Can we do that? Forum wise?

I've heard there's some XTC league going on now. Could the forum start a partnership with them... maybe?

the official forum would already have those players if they were interested, don't you think?

I think this forum has a "no advertisement" policy.
Fan pages, leagues and other worms related websites can be posted once in a certain thread.

News update - apologies for the delay, I was a little busy last week...

Guests can now view threads in the FanArt forum but they cannot view attachments - this is a global forum setting (guests cannot view attachments anywhere in the forum, and never have been) and something we don't really want to change as it has a nasty habit of blowing the forum up in quite a spectacular fashion. Anyway, since most of you seem to use IMG tags that shouldn't cause too much of a problem!

In other words, if you don't want your work stolen by a guest, use the forum attachment system but be aware of its tight limits on file size and dimensions.

F'anks!

That was specially well resolved, thomas. That way people have the choice to keep the art "safe" or open to the public.

Superb.

That was more a convenient by-product that just happened to be left over from when APJ set the forum up

Woah, no posts in fanart for 6 days.

It doesn't look like the plan to save fanart has worked much....

:(

That's a very defeatist attitude. What you could have done, having noticed the lull, is post some fan art.

Still, I know what you're saying and yeah... I for one have been laying off the art a bit full stop, let alone fan art. :(

Woah, no posts in fanart for 6 days.

It doesn't look like the plan to save fanart has worked much....

:(
To be fair, for three of those days the forum was offline due to a database error.

I'm still waiting for people to ask to be in my group pic. :x

Did I request? Because I'm sure I already requested. I just want to make sure that I requested.
Ah, heck with it.

*I REQUEST!*

If I already requested, put me in there twice.

I'm still waiting for people to ask to be in my group pic. :x

Oh right *ahem*

I say, Saffya, would you awfully mind putting me in your group pic?

I honestly don't remember reuesting, so, I would like to be in your group pic, thanks.
:p

We've gone full circle.

We've gone full circle.Hi and welcome to the Team17 Forum! I hope you enjoy your stay! :)

I'm still waiting for people to ask to be in my group pic. :x
memememememememememe

No me!
:)

NO U! :p

I have a love/hate relationship with this place. But it's definately a little sad to see it nearing the end of its life. And I said nearing, not at its end.

I have a love/hate relationship with this place. But it's definately a little sad to see it nearing the end of its life. And I said nearing, not at its end.

It died weeks ago, son. You're in denial.

It looks seems more active than some forums that claim to be still thriving :p

Back in the days of W3D's pending arrival, fans of the Worms franchise had nowhere to go but this forum. Now that Team17 have started a Facebook profile there's a second place for fans to drool over new information.

Unfortunately, with new games both recently released and on the horizon, little of that information is duplicated here. The forum will never die but I suspect it will be playing second fiddle to Facebook.

There's still a strong community here, though. I think I can safely speak for the majority when I say that it'd be a shame to lose this means of communication. I for one am all too aware of how quickly one can lose contact with friends without a suitable means of communication and there are a number of people here I'd like to stay in touch with. Some more regularly than others, sure, but I can't see Team17 closing this forum or the whole community migrating elsewhere/dismissing the forum.

So long as we're still happy having conversations with one another and there are a few of us posting, this place is sure to stay, I reckon.

I love you guys. You give me the happies.

Unfortunately, with new games both recently released and on the horizon, little of that information is duplicated here. The forum will never die but I suspect it will be playing second fiddle to Facebook.
Speaking of which, why isn't there a thread here for those who aren't Facebook fequenters where people point out and summarise new entries there?

Speaking of which, why isn't there a thread here for those who aren't Facebook fequenters where people point out and summarise new entries there?

Ugh, that's soooo Web 1.0 :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, with new games both recently released and on the horizon, little of that information is duplicated here. The forum will never die but I suspect it will be playing second fiddle to Facebook.


Sadly, a post from Spadge's blog (http://www.spadge.net) sums the whole "Forum vs Facebook" thing quite well:

I'm not sure what it is about people on forums. I think it's the pseudo-hidden persona, the ability to hide behind a screen. I occasionally make the foolhardy mistake of posting on a forum or two and inevitably it ends up in irritation at some zealot who has it in their head to argue anything and everything to make some bizarre point. I need to really make sure I don't get drawn in, but I'll vigorously defend what we're about, if needs be. Anyway, enough of that. Interestingly enough, people on the facebook site have been rather more polite with their posts.

Speaking of which, why isn't there a thread here for those who aren't Facebook fequenters where people point out and summarise new entries there?

I was considering doing that (given I have no real life :p), but unfortunately uni work took priority.

Sadly, a post from Spadge's blog (http://www.spadge.net) sums the whole "Forum vs Facebook" thing quite well

I can see his point but we're all so familiar with one another that really, this is like Facebook in that respect, I reckon.

Maybe I'm just one of those zealots, though. :(

But zealot fights spice things up a little. If we were all just polite to each other and never got into bizarre arguments this forum would be way too boring. :(

But zealot fights spice things up a little. If we were all just polite to each other and never got into bizarre arguments this forum would be way too boring. :(

No it wouldn't, you toilet face. It would be serene and wonderful! Glod, you people know NOTHING!! ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!

Facebook users + polite = LOLWHAT

Suuure that's totally true when someone you know IRL splats a lovely picture of deformed genitalia on your FB page. :/

Speaking of which, I would've said the opposite about people on forums: that they're generally more open and true than they would be in a conversation in real life, because they aren't as intimidated by the person they're talking to. For example, if someone's a passionate zealot about something on a forum but are quiet and meek in regular life, I certainly wouldn't say that their regular life self would say what they truly think. Being so passionate online isn't so much that they're free to be asses, but more of that they're free to express their opinions more.
Exception being, of course, trolls.

As for being more polite on Facebook, I'd say that'd be mostly because they aren't familiar with the (ever-changing) community, so there's no behaviour limit (things its okay to do) there, and thus they have to act much more polite.




Yes, I am aware that I just said that an internet persona is essentially a better one than a real life persona. Mabye I'm spending too long on the computer...

No it wouldn't, you toilet face. It would be serene and wonderful! Glod, you people know NOTHING!! ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
I might have a toilet face, but at least I don't have a URINAL FACE like you!

HA!

Oh YEAH!? Well at least I get fed CAKES! You just get fed POO! Nyaaaaahhhh.

That's twice today I've mentioned urinal cakes...

Yeah but you don't wash them down with milk now do you?

Also, I found this:
http://members.nuvox.net/~zt.proicer/cakepict/tolietcake-shirley.jpg
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...If I may just return to the slightly more sensible conversation of facebook vs. forums...

I think the main difference between a forum and facebook is you don't have newbies on facebook. Everyone is their own identity and you don't start afresh with a new one and, as a result, everyone is equal to everyone else. Forget post counts, senior members, user mods. You get the odd post on facebook discussion forums that are written in the most noobish way possible and people don't even bat an eyelid - team17 just answer their confusing mess of a question as politely as they do with anyone else.

I like it.

Unfortunately, with new games both recently released and on the horizon, little of that information is duplicated here. The forum will never die but I suspect it will be playing second fiddle to Facebook.
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But the super casuals cannot operate forums, they can however sign up for facebook, and since Team17 clearly likes to focus their energy selling smoke to idiots then facebook is their prefered medium.

On another news, Nintendo went down 7,5% because they haven't released a non-casual game this year.

On another news, Nintendo went down 7,5% because they haven't released a non-casual game this year.
Obviously because they haven't released a non-casual game.

Whats an economy anyway?

Whats an economy anyway?

So you're saying if a title like SSBB was released this March, would the sales have gone down 7,5%?

The House of the Dead: Overkill is pretty damn casual. You just sit there popping heads, there's very little challenge to it.

Wait, when was that released?

Actually, I looked it up: its not that Nintendo haven't made any non-casual games this year, its that Nintendo hasn't made any games this year at all! Unless I'm mistaken, all they've released so far is two ports (Mario Tennis and Pikmin), two remakes (Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and Pokemon Platinum), and the two-year-old Maths Training in the US.

And the Maths Training is the only one that's properly considered casual too.

Facebook users + polite = LOLWHATSeconded. Simpler than forums, I'll give you that, but it's still the internet. It's still 99% trolls and idiots. I don't see how they become patron saints just because they have to put their real name in there. Ours are just hairier. :p