Yes i'm back.

I'm back to announce that i'm making a sprites kit, and i need to know if...

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1366/example2t17otg5.png

Is that right for a worm's shape? Does it need any improvements?

Also i have a draft of the squirming animation:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3159/examplesquirmt17odp0.png

It still doesn't have shading though. Is it right? Does it need to be improved?

Thanks for your help.

im happy ur are back

i dunno they look nice

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/Bananenworst/Untitled-2.png
Otherwise the worms tail is pointing the same way the face is pointing which doesn't really make any sense.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/Bananenworst/Untitled-2.png
Otherwise the worms tail is pointing the same way the face is pointing which doesn't really make any sense.

Okay then. I'm going to edit it later. Any more suggestions?

Geez laweez, I haven't seen a sprite kit in ages.

That could be interpreted as a compliment, I guess.

Basti@n has been making worms sprite kits.

He has posted them only in T17.tk.

Links:

BANIWSK 1.0 (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Team17/index.php?showtopic=206&hl=)

BANIWSK 2.0 (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Team17/index.php?showtopic=395)

BANIWSK 3.0 (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Team17/index.php?showtopic=604&st=0)

But he only needs help on this one.

I encouraged him to come back here for criticism, and he did.

And he's making them for a game he's making, btw.

And he's making them for a game he's making, btw.
I AM NOW INTeRESTED!

Hah- I'm going to make a Worms platformer. With superior sprites.

I AM NOW INTeRESTED!

Its a game featuring team17.tk members, and its in production.

Go here (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Team17/index.php?showtopic=385)

Also, i think Basti@ns sprite kit is good, but it has some problems, but i just didn't know what they were.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/304/example3t17oit0.png

Added Liketysplitt's suggestion, and made the tail a bit fatter.

Oh no. The trend has started again.

They're too fat.

Oh no. The trend has started again.

They're too fat.

And that is bad how? 0_0

agreed, though, as i said it when he released a sneak peek of a BANIWSK 3.0 worm.

:cool: I want to play a game...

:cool: I want to play a game...

Don't you have one? :p

So the fat worm wasn't a good idea. Now editing...

...
WOAH
Nice drawing and being back-ing without us expecting,-ing.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1871/previewwh7.png

Preview of the full kit.

And that is bad how? 0_0

agreed, though, as i said it when he released a sneak peek of a BANIWSK 3.0 worm.

Trust me, if you were here as long as I was, you'd know.

The hands should be just blobs, like the regular Worms sprites.

The hands should be just blobs, like the regular Worms sprites.

I agree with Plasma, worms hands are much more different than the ones in the kit.

The hands should be just blobs, like the regular Worms sprites.

I agree with Plasma.

New preview.

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2481/preview2et6.png

New preview.

[I Am Gay]http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2481/preview2et6.png[/I Am Gay]

i like those

BUMP!

To post a new preview:

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3195/preview3tt9.png

I noticed that they're getting better after a few previews
If this goes on like that, it can end very well

Basti@n, you forgot the hair.
Oh wait, it's still a WIP, I forgot. -_-'

Basti@n, you forgot the hair.
Oh wait, it's still a WIP, I forgot. -_-'

Nice!

Now follow and my other advice on Team17.tk and make a complete BANIWSK 4.0!

and make a complete BANIWSK 4.0!

This is BANIWSK 3.1, not 4.0.

If you're going to make a new kit with the new shape and all the stuff, you must name it BANIWSK 4.0, because 3.1 sounds like an update to 3.0, which won't be just an update, right?

I've told you this on T17.tk.

If you're going to make a new kit with the new shape and all the stuff, you must name it BANIWSK 4.0, because 3.1 sounds like an update to 3.0, which won't be just an update, right?

I've told you this on T17.tk.

Don't rush ahead. Take small steps first.

First, he needs to completely finish his current version- which he hasn't.

Slow down!

Then he must make BANIWSK 3.1 with less stuff, and add it all on BANIWSK 4.0!

Then he must make BANIWSK 3.1 with less stuff, and add it all on BANIWSK 4.0!

No, he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.

Don't order Basti@n around.

No, he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.

Don't order Basti@n around.

*sigh*

You again didn't understand what I mean.

Why can't you let him do this first? this is BANIWSK 3.1, not 4.0.

Your sprite kit is awful.

Just sayin'.

Your sprite kit is awful.

Just sayin'.

Why, exactly? :rolleyes:

Just askin'.

You really can't tell?

You really can't tell?

No, because i quite like it myself.

Ah yes, but look at your avatar.

Ah yes, but look at your avatar.

The only problem i can see is the tail, and the shading could be better.

I see... well, more problems than you, I guess.

Sometimes I don't know whether I pity your sheer bloody-mindedness and ignorance, or if I envy it. You have this set view of how the world works and anything that operates outside of those boundaries simply doesn't register for you. If only everyone were as simple as you.

And the fact that it looks more like a slug than anything is irrelevant?

And the fact that it looks more like a slug than anything is irrelevant?

Slugs have antenna things, so it doesn't really look like a slug.

http://stuff.benpaddon.co.uk/shadowmoon.png

Your sprite kit is awful.

Just sayin'.

So will you ever stop saying just "it's awful" and give some real advice?

You're not much helpful now.

So will you ever stop saying just "it's awful" and give some real advice?

You're not much helpful now.

No. He won't. This is squirminator: Its awful.

This is squirminator giving real advice: Its awful.

The main thing i don't like in Basti@ns sprites, is the shading.

I have tried giving advice in the past, but you two refuse to take it. So now I'm just going to tell you what I think of it and not laborate further.

The sprite kit is awful. Please don't make aother one.

I have tried giving advice in the past, but you two refuse to take it. So now I'm just going to tell you what I think of it and not laborate further.

The sprite kit is awful. Please don't make aother one.

your the only one who agree that

I have tried giving advice in the past, but you two refuse to take it. So now I'm just going to tell you what I think of it and not laborate further.

The sprite kit is awful. Please don't make aother one.

Please improve your grammar. It's 'another' not 'aother'

your the only one who agree that

Nope, Shadowthingamajig (Shadowman) too.

your the only one who agree that
No. Shadowman and I are just the only ones who have come into the thread to let you know that it sucks. Everyone else has stayed clear of this thread because, frankly, Basti@n's art isn't worth anyone's time.

Please improve your grammar. It's 'another' not 'aother'
Typos. Wonderful things, aren't they?

No. Shadowman and I are just the only ones who have come into the thread to let you know that it sucks. Everyone else has stayed clear of this thread because, frankly, Basti@n's art isn't worth anyone's time.

Well.... your art isn't what i'd call great.:p some of it is good. But one picture is so awful.

And your pictures contain size issues.

I would like to see your art when you were around our ages.

Also, Basti@n is posting his sprite kits here for criticism! he isn't posting them here just so you can go wow! brilliant! amazing! i'm sure he'd like that, but so far he hasn't received much at all!

Please don't post the same thin in two separate threads. That's another one of those distinctly Shadowmoan things that annoys the Hell out of me.

As I said in the other thread, you don't need to be a great artist to see that someone is awful at what they do. In this case we're lucky I'm not a halfway competent pixel artist or somethiOH NO LOOKS LIKE I AM AFTER ALL (http://squirminator2k.deviantart.com/art/SuperFrog-Flying-Concept-1-18008204).

I'll have to say something: Pixel sheets need to be very detailed, to compensate the lack of image size. Pasting the same worm over and over isn't going to make it look good. Shading is 100% needed, and it has to look good enough, not with just one tone.

If you make a below average thing to have it on a game, just to have something to animate with, it's ok, but it's not needed to show it around. If you make it good enough to make it worth showing, fantastic, but that one lacks detail everywhere.

Also, the most important part of an animation is... Seeing it in movement :p

Please don't post the same thin in two separate threads. That's another one of those distinctly Shadowmoan things that annoys the Hell out of me.

As I said in the other thread, you don't need to be a great artist to see that someone is awful at what they do. In this case we're lucky I'm not a halfway competent pixel artist or somethiOH NO LOOKS LIKE I AM AFTER ALL (http://squirminator2k.deviantart.com/art/SuperFrog-Flying-Concept-1-18008204).

Y'know what...... i'm not even going to bother arguing about this anymore.

This time, you will stay on my ignore list.

I think Basti@ns sprite kit is good, and not awful. If you think it is, don't say it, explain why.

Last warning to stop the trolling before I delete this thread and permaban the trolls.

That is all.

Alright, here's a full rundown of the problems with this so-called "Sprite Kit"...

Basti@n is relying too much on black for his outlines. He could probably get away with this if the sprites were a little bigger but at the size they are it doesn't work well - he's better off using a darker shade of the fill colour. I'd seriously recommend making this fix on the eyes specifically - the black border around the eyes just doesn't work at this size.
The shape of the worms is completely and utterly wrong.
The Walk Cycle doesn't flow particularly well, probably because Basti@n has no idea of the anatomy of his creation.
The clothing is incredibly basic.
Flat, bland, lifeless colours. No variation.
it's rubbish.

Edit: Given thomasp's warning above, I'm hoping this post falls into the category of "Constructive Criticism." That's what I was aiming for, at least.

Clothing...... incredibly basic.....

Been honest, i don't see how he could make it less basic at all.

That's what I'm saying - it's flat. It's unsinpired, it's using absolutes. Did I mention that the shading isn't great?

The shading (on the worms) i hate. He's used the wrong colour for the shading, and the shading only goes across the bottom of the tail.

The worm shape looks like a worm who has ate too much McDonalds meals.

But apart from that, you like it. Apart form those glaring flaws which pretty much make up the sole description of Basti@n's sprite kit, you like it.

"I really like Andy Warhol's stuff, but his Pop Art is sh*t."

Basti@n, i have a confession to make.

I still don't like it. (i said this in your baniwsk 3.0 thread that its bad) i only said it was good after you'd changed it because people were saying i was bullying you, but i wasn't. I was giving an honest opinion. From now though i'll be honest about everything- i hate it. And BANIWSK 2.0. And one's shape was decent, but thats about it. I'm still doubting your game a lot, btw. Especially with these sprites in. I'm also dreading what the levels will look like.

I have tried giving advice in the past, but you two refuse to take it. So now I'm just going to tell you what I think of it and not laborate further.

The sprite kit is awful. Please don't make aother one.

Errr... will you ever understand that you're actually talking to Basti@n and not to us? :rolleyes:

Basti@n, I just made some sprites (Using yours of course.) because I just felt like it.:p
Oh, and you need GameMaker to view the animations.
It's just 2 sword slashes, and you're the one who should make the worm sprites.(I just colored it green just to make it look like Zero's Z-saber.:p)

Errr... will you ever understand that you're actually talking to Basti@n and not to us? :rolleyes:

Will you ever understand that this discussion has since ended?:p

Last warning to stop the trolling before I delete this thread and permaban the trolls.

:rolleyes:

______________________

And been honest, i think BANIWSK 1.0 had the best shape. BANIWSK 2.0 had the worst so far, and BANIWSK 3.0's was just a tad less worse than 2.0.

Will you ever understand that this discussion has since ended?:p

Oh, bow... whoops.

Didn't see the other posts.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7872/preview4tm8.th.png (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=preview4tm8.png)

New update.

Aaaaaaaand, an animation of the squirming animation (i made it to see how it looks):

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4292/finaletoingoinqu7.gif

Other suggestions will be added on the next update.

That's not so bad
Maybe slowing just a littler bit and adding a 4º (or is it 3º?) frame, to make the movement smoother, I don't know

Edit: The jumpin' ones desn't look so great

The squirming animation looks strange.......

The squirming animation is good, but there's something wrong about it that I can't quite put my finger on.

EDIT: Maybe an idea... It could do with being slower and with a bit more frames, also try making the worm lean forward more when the tail is at maximum stretch.
EDIT2: I wouldn't say the eyebrows look right either. Raise them a pixel so they are not touching the top of the eyes. Maybe make the rounder.

The squirming animation in the frames looks fine, but when it is animated, it looks strange.

And make more squirming frames, because the worm is moving too fast.

Well then it doesn't look fine in the frames then does it? If it did it would look right when animated.

I think it's the eyebrows. Try a shell animation (just the body squirming sprites).

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/Bananenworst/Squirmer.gif
Take a look at this.

The problem with the squirming animation is that the head jitters and jerks back and forth terribly. The tail animation is okay, but the head... ye gods.

Make an animation of the jumping!

My suggestions for the new preview:

1) Add more frames to the squirming animation.
2) Make the eyebrows rounder.
3) Make the shading a little better.
4) Add more hand types.
5) Add and some more clothes. (i.e. clothes that do not exist on our sigworms and the cloth of Shad13)

And make the jumping animation in a picture!

I have tried giving advice in the past, but you two refuse to take it. So now I'm just going to tell you what I think of it and not laborate further.

The sprite kit is awful. Please don't make aother one.

Oh I definately agree with that....what are we talking about? Its the russian invasion of georgia right?

Oh I definately agree with that....what are we talking about? Its the russian invasion of georgia right?
hi traxada :)

Oh I definately agree with that....what are we talking about? Its the russian invasion of georgia right?

Please, read and the posts after that. We have already said that this discussion has stopped.

Please, read and the posts after that. We have already said that this discussion has stopped.

What you stopped talking about the Russians? Well I suppose the ceasefire has been signed so they will probably move out of the territory.....

What you stopped talking about the Russians? Well I suppose the ceasefire has been signed so they will probably move out of the territory.....
oh please, do you really think that russia's just going to step out of there? when it comes to the caucasus they're like little kids who can't comprehend that they can't have back that shiny toy that they got rid of