Hello again! I returned to the T17 O!

At first here, my art was a fail. I practised drawing worms, until I finally did my first worm in Flash. I want to post it so that I can take advice to make my art better.

Please vote in the poll and tell me what I need to improve to make better worms. Thanks!

(I've also posted and two more pictures, the first one is of my old art, and the second was an attempt to improve my art which was a fail [don't count so much this] and the third is my new one)

(also take note, I haven't added much because this is just a test)

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l279/antonism96/Comic1WormsThatTheyWorkWithStupids.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l279/antonism96/lovely_worm_1.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l279/antonism96/TestWormie.jpg

Edit: Also requests will be appreciated soon.

Improved, but it still needs some work. The whole worm is too rectangular. Don't use straight lines, and use the Brush tool instead of the Pencil. Also, don't use the Ellipse tool for eyes, they usually don't look good. Again, use the brush instead.

Actually, your old style was not bad, I liked the round heads. Try redoing it in Flash, but with a better body.

you have imroved a lot

Quite members claimed my old style as "sock worms".

I still need practice with the brush. Do you see my second pic? I made it in MSPaint, and it was all made with brush, and the result wasn't good. The lines were weird.

Also for my last pictures, I did them using Splapp's guide, while I was doing my old style all myself.

Also thanks to Shadowmoon for helping me find the curve tool in Flash. In my next picture, I'll use the curve, and I'll try and do some things with the brush.

I don't like making worms with the brush tool because I don't have a certain hand when making lines on the computer, and I can't afford a tablet.

Thank you for your help _Kilburn.

The last picture is the best. But there is still much to be improved on.

I think the corners of the foot of the worm is very sharp. The shape needs definition, because it seems a bit stiff, and the crease should be done more bulgy, not just an upwards V. But otherwise, good stuff, great improvement.

Thank you for your post .JeT.

How do you think I should make the crease? I tried to make the one in Splapp's guide.

Now that I've learnt where the curve tool is in Flash, the corners won't be sharp in my next pic.

Also what does "stiff" means? :o

Have you got a scanner out of curiosity?

Yes, I have.

Do some hand drawn ones please :)
It is my personal opinion that you can judge an artist purely by what he can do on paper.

Use the curve tool, but only use it for underdrawing. Create at least 2 layers, one for the underdrawing, and one for the final drawing. Draw the approximative shape of your worm using lines and curves, preferably using a bright color (bright grey is fine). Then, take the Brush tool, switch to the second layer, and draw your final drawing. Add color and shading, and you're done. :)

Hi, McMaster, and thank you for taking my advice and returning.:)

As i said before, the shape of the worm is still off. Its a noticable improvement, but you still have some work to do, and the shape of the worm is very square, i'm afraid.

Look at splapps worms. See how they curve a lot? try and follow the exact shape.

And try and get used to the mouse. It really helps with drawing, honest.;)

I request.

Requests are not available! Did I say I start accepting requests? :rolleyes:

Edit: Also super_frea, I'll try and do a hand-drawn picture soon. ;)

Sorry, i thought requests appreciated soon meant you were doing requests.

Hello! I have newsies-ish news!

I made another worm in Flash, this time all by brush. No lines, no curves, nothing.

Here it is:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l279/antonism96/WormAllWithBrushTest.jpg

I don't like it much. Also the tail is a little weird...

So, if you don't mind the tail (I was in a hurry and I made it like this), how do you think I'm going with the brush?

The tail is too fat and the neck too thin
I would like to make a paint example but I can't right now...
Just work a lot on the forms and make it more fleshy and gely (I don't know what I'm talking about. I hate english)

Tails too fat, and neck too thin.

It looks like superblob.

also, take TIME with your pictures. No need to rush.

you seem to be good with the mouse though.

I'll redo one tomorrow.

If I improve tomorrow, I'll start accepting requests.

Also Shadowmoon, I had to hurry because I didn't have time! :rolleyes:

All Aperture technologies remain safely operational up to 4000 Degress Kelvin. Goodbye!

Then don't do one if you don't have time. Remember, post your pictures when YOU want to.

Tails too fat, and neck too thin.



Deja Vu :confused:

Deja Vu :confused:

I didn't even see your post.

eyes stealer :mad:

Ah ha Pyramid's and Shadowmoon's posts were 11 minutes apart too... XD
I liked the sock worms:mad:

The back of the tail looks quite odd also. I think you need to work on the positioning more than anything.

I think all of you missed the point of my post. I said I KNOW that the tail was weird, I made it like that because I didn't have time!

And I said ignore the tail and finally tell me how I do with the brush!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I think all of you missed the point of my post. I said I KNOW that the tail was weird, I made it like that because I didn't have time!

And I said ignore the tail and finally tell me how I do with the brush!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I just did.

Also, if you don't have much time, do it when you have time.

I think all of you missed the point of my post. I said I KNOW that the tail was weird, I made it like that because I didn't have time!

And I said ignore the tail and finally tell me how I do with the brush!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
It's kinda hard to tell you how you did with the brush considering you're saying we can't comment on what's wrong about the picture 'cause it's rushed. :p

:confused:

It's kinda hard to tell you how you did with the brush considering you're saying we can't comment on what's wrong about the picture 'cause it's rushed. :p

he only said to ignore the tail.

And McMaster, you did good with the brush. Looking at your paint picture, i thought it would look squiggly, but it didn't! good job!

look at other artists threads to get good examples of a good worm shape.

Well then maybe he should draw a picture that he has spent a fair amount of time on, that he is happy with and then ask us to comment on it. :-/

he only said to ignore the tail.

And McMaster, you did good with the brush. Looking at your paint picture, i thought it would look squiggly, but it didn't! good job!

look at other artists threads to get good examples of a good worm shape.

Are you kidding? :confused:

Look at my second picture. It was done in brush in MSPaint, but in Flash it is better! :eek:

S2K, accept the fact that "Drawn in MSPaint isn't excuse for bad art" is totally wrong. :p :rolleyes:

The 2nd pic isn't very good i'm afraid.

Also, i'd advise you to check back a bit and look at my paint competition 2008 thread.

And yes the flash one is much better.

I must say that a bad mouse affects the art way more than the tool
With a decent mouse you can do amazing works on Paint
(And good skills of course)

I have a mouse with laser, not a ball.

Also sorry, but it seems I'll not get the new brush-drawn image today. School killed me, so I may post it this weekend.

Should I get a tablet?

I don't think so, now that your dead and buried.......

my answer is yes. It MIGHT improve your art.

I'm not dead and buried.

Accept this fact:

McMaster is Still Alive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI).

Lol.

3rd time round you've posted this video.

Yeah.

Also I tried and I made a worm all with brush again.

Here it is:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l279/antonism96/WormAllWithBrushTest2.jpg

So how do you think I did this time? :confused:

Also hand-drawn picture coming on the weekend. ;)

The tails still a little bit long, imo.

:mad:

I'll do again another one in weekend... Now I don't have time, cuz I have to do homekiller.

:mad:

I'll do again another one in weekend... Now I don't have time, cuz I have to do homekiller.

homework.

Why does that have to exist? i hate homework.

I just remembered HaK. He said that work is much worse than school.

I hope that isn't true, as school is already hell for me... and next year I'm going to high school, where things are 5 times more dfficult than primary school! :eek:

So work is going to be a real hell.

:eek::eek::eek:

Oh! You guys are so much friends of each other! It's beautiful! :eek:

That's because we talk a lot at the Team17.tk forum, and there I met him.

Oh! You guys are so much friends of each other! It's beautiful! :eek:

Yes, we chat on WLM and on yauhui's team 17 forum.

also, McMaster work is harder than school. Go and ask an adult on this forum. When you do work you'll keep saying: I wanna go back to school!

I'm at high school already. It is harder than primary school. A lot harder.

JUST before I start high school, I'm going to fall from a very tall building! :eek:

THAT WAS A JOKE. HAHA. FAT CHANCE. :p

I don't want to think about it. When I do, I already feel its hard work. :(

Anyway, do you think a milkshake stand would be very hard for a start?

JUST before I start high school, I'm going to fall from a very tall building! :eek:

THAT WAS A JOKE. HAHA. FAT CHANCE. :p

I don't want to think about it. When I do, I already feel its hard work. :(

Anyway, do you think a milkshake stand would be very hard for a start?

Please, PLEASE. Don't use Portal quotes with such bad puns... It downgrades the game D:

(if it was appropiate, and not overused, perfect, but not for the sake of it D:)

JUST before I start high school, I'm going to fall from a very tall building! :eek:

THAT WAS A JOKE. HAHA. FAT CHANCE. :p

I don't want to think about it. When I do, I already feel its hard work. :(

Anyway, do you think a milkshake stand would be very hard for a start?

as a job?

i'd hate that.

Al, he always makes portal jokes everywhere.

Al, he always makes portal jokes everywhere.

Ah, but are they good Portal jokes?

Ah, but are they good Portal jokes?

Ah, no, but thats how much he loves portal.

Ah, no, but thats how much he loves portal.

I think the whole forum is aware, but thanks, though.

Ah, no, but thats how much he loves portal.
Er what? He loves Portal enough to make bad Portal jokes?

Oh you'll love High School a lot more than you like Primary School (Which to me sounds a lot like Pre-school, because here we call it Elementary School).

Yes, we chat on WLM and on yauhui's team 17 forum.

also, McMaster work is harder than school. Go and ask an adult on this forum. When you do work you'll keep saying: I wanna go back to school!

I'm at high school already. It is harder than primary school. A lot harder.

Innuendo again....:p

Ah Teddyworms post reminded me I wanted to comment on this!
also, McMaster work is harder than school. Go and ask an adult on this forum. When you do work you'll keep saying: I wanna go back to school!

Not necessarily. If you really enjoy your job it is no longer considered work, for one thing. I have a job, and sometimes I do like it better than school, and sometimes I don't. If you make a living doing what you love, then you've done the right things.
And besides, school is kind of work anyway.

I think the whole forum is aware, but thanks, though.

If you don't wanna listen, don't!:rolleyes:

Kelster, work can be stressfull for some people. Hackerman hates work, and he says it is, and he's 8 years older than you.....

TeDdywOrm- innuendo to you. High school is harder than primary. It is no way easier.

High school is harder than primary. It is no way easier.

You're right.

High School vs Primary School:

1. In High School, we have to stay at school 7 hours compared to 6 hours at Primary School.
2. The lessons are more, different, and much more difficult.
3. We have only one teacher at each subject.
4. The homework is significantly increased.
5. You get punished much more easily than Primary School.
6. After Easter holidays, we have to write tests for all subjects until we finish the school year.
7. It's really hard to get the 20/20 mark, and it is very easy to get the 10/20 mark.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

High schools in greece sound very similiar to schools in UK......

And my exams start on June 22nd. I hate exams!

we have 1 teacher for every subject too. I do think that happens in most high schools though.

I hated second-level school! Mainly because... well, did you ever hear "you get more mature as you age"? Yeah, well people seem to get considerably less mature in their teenage years.

:-/

Also, here's The Cake another picture of a worm done all in brush.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l279/antonism96/WormAllWithBrushTest3.jpg

I also added a crease.

Is the tail good now? Do I do well in brush?

Tail looks better, head a little too square.

Yes, you are good with the brush. And so far nobody else has commented on the brush.

Is a square head bad? :(

Does the tail need more improvement?

Thank you Shadowmoon. Also I'm going to make a picture all with brush on MSPaint, to compare how I do with each programs.

(also take note, these last pictures aren't the best I can do, I made them in 10 minutes only because 12 hours for a day aren't enough for me with all that things I have to do. :mad:)

Dunno about the tail, but a very square head isn't very good for a worm.

And try to take more time with your pics.

But I can't. :mad:

But I can't. :mad:

You mean all the time you have to draw worms is 10 minutes each day?

when you have your ESOD holidays in june, (evil school of doom) will you have more time?

Yeah. :D:D:D

TeDdywOrm- innuendo to you. High school is harder than primary. It is no way easier.

I'm 14. I'm in High school.

T.T

I'm 14. I'm in High school.

T.T

I'm guessing you know nothing about Greek Schools and UK schools though.

I do.

I'm guessing you know nothing about Greek Schools and UK schools though.

I do.
You know nothing about innuendo though..:p

Alright you win, let's stop this now.

Shadowmoon! Why did you get Being Watched? :eek:

Shadowmoon! Why did you get Being Watched? :eek:

Just like you said- this forum is strict.

for saying i'm fast and furious in my art thread.

I only have it for 5 days, though.

Right, since you lot don't seem to get the idea, I'm going to post this here for everyone to see:


THIS FORUM IS NOT AN INSTANT MESSAGING SERVICE

If you do not have anything to say which does not benefit the entire forum (ie it only benefits one or two other people), then use either PM's or MSN/AOL/IRC/ICQ, etc. Please do not flood the forum with chit-chat between two people unless it will benefit the entire forum.


Please re-read the rules thread for the fanart forum before continuing to post.


Thank you.

Meh, fine then i'll keep it on team17.tk and MSN.

We do like to do it sometimes though.

McMaster, keep going. Don't give up.

i'd say you need to work harder on the positioning.

What do you mean with the positioning?

Its kinda hard to explain......

someone else will tell you.

Who?

Anyway, did you read my PM?

Who?

Anyway, did you read my PM?

Thomasp, i NEED to deal with this.

I can't read it if i'm on BW.

It won't get through, i don't think.

THIS FORUM IS NOT AN INSTANT MESSAGING SERVICE

Oh wait, what did you SAY?

THIS FORUM IS NOT AN INSTANT MESSAGING SERVICE

THIS FORUM IS NOT AN INSTANT MESSAGING SERVICE

THIS FORUM IS NOT AN INSTANT MESSAGING SERVICE

He just said that, and yet, you keep doing it. Both of you.
How can you still ask WHY are you being watched?

Oh wait, what did you SAY?







He just said that, and yet, you keep doing it. Both of you.
How can you still ask WHY are you being watched?

But i've got to deal with this! this is serious!

Also, point out where i asked if i was on being watched.

That PM could be something serious. I had to tell him i couldn't read it.

Thomasp, i NEED to deal with this.

I can't read it if i'm on BW.

It won't get through, i don't think.

Oh, sorry, I forgot that users in BW status can't receive PMs.

So please connect on WLM to tell you what I want.

End of this discussion now.

I think I agree with the less square heads. Just round things off more, make them more friendly looking.

Right, since you lot don't seem to get the idea, I'm going to post this here for everyone to see:


THIS FORUM IS NOT AN INSTANT MESSAGING SERVICE

If you do not have anything to say which does not benefit the entire forum (ie it only benefits one or two other people), then use either PM's or MSN/AOL/IRC/ICQ, etc. Please do not flood the forum with chit-chat between two people unless it will benefit the entire forum.


Please re-read the rules thread for the fanart forum before continuing to post.


Thank you.

Finally! No one get my earlier sarcasm comment but that's what I meant....

Back to the thread (The art thread, not the pals chat thread)
Square head are not bad when you know how to make them and use it on your style, like Slick's first style...
In your case I think round heads would be much more apropriaded

The crease on the tail is not just some lines. It must look like flesh
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/3237/garbagepaintexampleck2.png

And the eyes should be more for the left, I think

I am using Splapp's guide on my last worms, and I do some modifications of the shape to make my style.

So this means that I'm using Splapp's crease.

I am using Splapp's guide on my last worms, and I do some modifications of the shape to make my style.

So this means that I'm using Splapp's crease.

If you are doing Splapps style, try not to make the heads so square.

I'm talking about the crease.

And I said that I do some modifications.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

i'd say you need to work harder on the positioning.

No, I'm pretty sure he should still work on the overall drawing.

Also, he looks like he's going to cut me with his tail.

No, I'm pretty sure he should still work on the overall drawing.

Also, he looks like he's going to cut me with his tail.

Yeah, but i think he needs to work harder on the positioning. The overall drawing too needs work tho.

oh hey, the art here stopped sucking so hard, apparently :p

that last one's not bad. the square head can work if you like it (IMO, anyway), but I would also suggest trying a rounded one. the pointy tail also needs to be rounded off, unless he plans to take up fencing in the near future :p

the general shape of the worm needs to be worked into more of a style specific to you, though. right now it's really generic. try out some different body types. the rest looks fine, but the shape itsself is what makes it generic. try to smooth and curve the body as a whole.

Should I use the curve tool next time?

Also sorry for not hand-drawn picture today, but ESOD killed me once again.

Hello again!

I couldn't post any more pictures, because of ESOD, so after ESOD holidays (in one week) I'll post one. ;)

ESOD? Not BSOD, Blue Screen Of Death? As in, Elrond Screen Of Death?
Anyway, I agree with what the others say, tail's too sharp. And such.

ESOD means evil school of doom.;)

Evil School Of Doom.

Didn't you read Shadowmoon's post? :rolleyes:

Shadowmoon posted after Gardy.
;)

He posted it while I was posting. :mad:

Hello, and again, welcome to McMaster's Art.

ESOD finished, and now I'm free to do more things!

I've done some practice on a worm. Also I practiced drawing a bishop in Flash (in MSPaint it is a little easier) with right colors and full buttons.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l279/antonism96/McMaster-1.jpg

How is it?

P.S. I used the tools this time only to correct the eyes and add pupils with highlight.

P.P.S. Also someone please help me how to make shading and backgrounds in Flash.

P.P.P.S. I spent 20 minutes to this.

P.S. I used the tools this time only to correct the eyes and add pupils with highlight.
Hooray, progress!

definitely not bad. I feel the head is a little large for the body. perhaps simply make the body taller or something?

aside from that, the only thing I can say is: RAZOR TAIL!

I think that making the body taller would make your life the picture even worse, somehow.

What's bad with the tail again? :confused:

I'd say make the head narrower. It sticks out a lot.

Make the body slightly wider. NOT taller

What does "narrower" means? :-/

Like Thinner.

Plasma says narrower and tal05 wider.

So what from the two? :confused::confused::confused:

Hmmmm....

i think the body is too thin.

Plasma says make the head narrower and Tal says make the body wider. Do either as they will both get the same results. So which ever's easier really.

Oh, yeah, I forgot that Plasma said about the head.

A new pic for practice.

This took me 10 minutes again, because it is late and I need to sleep in a little.

I think by next week, I will be more free.

Also I added a little surprise to that worm. Take note that I'm not good at drawing fire.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l279/antonism96/NewWorm.jpg

P.S. I forgot the crease. Stupid me.

P.P.S. Requests are now appreciated.

that one looks less disturbingly disproportionate :p

I think you used a bit too thick a line around the eyes or too thin a line around the body. makes the eyes look like he's wearing makeup :p

And when you draw cartoony fire, it looks better if the brighter colours are on the inside and the darker colours are on the outside.

that one looks less disturbingly disproportionate :p

???

I think you used a bit too thick a line around the eyes or too thin a line around the body. makes the eyes look like he's wearing makeup :p

It's because I used zoom to make the body. The brush was the same, but as I said, the zoom was 200%, and in 100% it looks thinner.. ;)

And when you draw cartoony fire, it looks better if the brighter colours are on the inside and the darker colours are on the outside.

I'll try that. :D

P.P.S. Requests are now appreciated.
I request a blueberry Muffaster!

What's a BB? :confused:

A berry that's blue
I request too!
I'm a poet
and I know it!

Also there is no Muffaster, so that request is cancelled.

OK, I'll draw you super_freak.

Please do not flood me with requests.

Draw me as the said blueberry!

Sorry, I only draw worms, not BBs.

Sorry, I only draw worms, not BBs. *face palm*

she's a blue worm.....

But not a berry! :rolleyes:

She would be if you drew her as one.

Wait, just noticed now: didn't she request to be a blueberry in a muffin that's fused with McMaster?

It's a funny old world.

Eeeeerm...

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4328/bbkelstertd1.jpg

i like it :)

Thanks Ponincake. ;)

WHAT THE EF?
b

WHAT THE EF?
b

??? :confused:

My word, that is truly dire. It's an antialiased Bad MSPaint Job.

My word, that is truly dire. It's an antialiased Bad MSPaint Job.

I'd say it's flash.

Other than that, seconded.

:(

I can't even draw a blueberry worm. :(

If I'm so bad I should stop doing art.

Oh that's a blueberry worm. I thought it was some sort of Smurf on steroids.

Protip: a blueberry muffin is a muffin made using blueberries, in the same way a chocolate chip muffin would for chocolate chips. In other words, it's not just a muffin with a blueberry on top.
http://images.google.ie/images?hl=en&q=blueberry%20muffin&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Oh that's a blueberry worm. I thought it was some sort of Smurf on steroids.

Kelster23 requested to draw her as a blueberry on a muffin fused with me.

Protip: a blueberry muffin is a muffin made using blueberries, in the same way a chocolate chip muffin would for chocolate chips. In other words, it's not just a muffin with a blueberry on top.
http://images.google.ie/images?hl=en&q=blueberry%20muffin&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Oh, I thought that Kelster23 meant to draw her as a blueberry on a simple muffin fused with me, not to draw her as blueberries in a muffin fused with me.

WHAT THE EF?
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My thoughts exactly!

I just wanted to be drawn as the said blueberry, and I don't remember blueberries being quite that big...

I requested to be the Blueberry SF was talking about hahaha.

I request to be drawn as a whistling pigeon with 7 eyes, riding on a poached egg.

I request to be drawn as a whistling pigeon with 7 eyes, riding on a poached egg.

Add me in there as the co-pilot

I'm really confused. :confused:

Also I'll stop art for a while, because my cursor crashes, and until I fix it, I won't do anything.

Add me in there as the co-pilot

With a spoon stapled to your head and playing an oboe.

I found out using Portal that my mouse was causing the problem. I had three mouses in the dust, and I chose to put the newest one, and it worked!

Of course, it messes me up, because it has a ball, and I'm used with the laser.

super_frea, please tell me how exactly you want your request, cuz I'm messed up. :-/

I've told you once boy...

Basically I want you to draw me as a whistling pigeon with seven eyes, riding on a poached egg, with Metal Alex who has a spoon stapled to his head and is playing an Oboe.
:D

Got that?
Gooooood.

I've told you once boy...

Basically I want you to draw me as a pigeon with seven eyes, riding on a poached egg, with Metal Alex who has a spoon stapled to his head and is playing an Oboe.
:D

Got that?
Gooooood.

But everything was so messed up! :mad:

What do poached and stapled mean? :confused:

Basically it looks a bit like this:

31567

Thanks PP. :D

But did SP ask to sing? :confused:

Thanks PP. :D

But did SP ask to sing? :confused:
Yes. "A whistling pigeon".

Basically it looks a bit like this:

31567

HAHA! YES!!
Well done Paul that was exactly what I wanted! :D

So I don't need to do your request!

PP has already done it!

Yes you do.
Chop, chop.

So I don't need to do your request!

PP has already done it!

You don't need to do anyones requests. Its up to you!

Basically it looks a bit like this:

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FANTASTIC!

But did SP ask to sing? :confused:
Who's SP? D:
If that's a typo the F key is pretty far away from the P key.

You don't need to do anyones requests. Its up to you!

QUIET YOU!

Who's SP? D:
If that's a typo the F key is pretty far away from the P key.



QUIET YOU!

What... its true

and plus whatchoo gonna do about it?!

Who's SP? D:
If that's a typo the F key is pretty far away from the p key.

Yeah, that's a typo. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's a typo. :rolleyes:

I'm confused are you being sarcastic, meaning that wasn't a typo?

Whoa? :confused:

Stop your creamy posts. I can't understand that. :rolleyes:
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Whoa? :confused:
Sarcasm is a form of irony in which apparent praise conceals another, scornful meaning. For example, a sarcastic remark directed at a person who consistently arrives fifteen minutes late for appointments might be, “Oh, you've arrived exactly on time!”

Now are you going to do my request or not?

McMaster reckons a color. How does McMaster respond opposite the tour? McMaster prosecutes! McMaster discourages S-2k. S-2k kicks a listening obstruction. S-2k cautions outside her house. Any broke mouse purges over S-2k. When will the fashioned resolve accelerate McMaster? McMaster changes the sunrise. McMaster crashs into S-2k beneath the hack attempt. McMaster spends the fellow. The review parameter fights McMaster throughout the railway. S-2k mends outside each procedure. The precious dragon pretends. McMaster starves next to S-2k. S-2k dresses. Why won't McMaster participate inside S-2k? The clever chemist conforms over a consequent pill. McMaster weighs S-2k. Why can't McMaster frown below S-2k?

If you have some kind of generator for that, GIMME.

If you have some kind of generator for that, GIMME.
NO. I found it it's MINE. >:O

http://watchout4snakes.com/creativitytools/RandomParagraph/RandomParagraph.aspx
Paragraphs are not as long, I just used it like 4-5 times and copypasted everything together.

Sarcasm is a form of irony in which apparent praise conceals another, scornful meaning. For example, a sarcastic remark directed at a person who consistently arrives fifteen minutes late for appointments might be, “Oh, you've arrived exactly on time!”

Now are you going to do my request or not?

I know that! But why you talk about that? :confused:

Oh, yes, your request.

I know that! But why you talk about that? :confused:

Oh, yes, your request.

Because I was asking if you were being sarcastic?

*sigh*
Just forget it please D:

I wasn't... :-/

Random Angry Worm kills BB Kelster.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9265/randomangrywormkillsbbkhk7.jpg

I know BBs don't have blood, I added it just for fun.

P.S. My mouse messes me up. :mad:

Firstly: Don't draw one eye and then copy-paste it. It's incredibly noticeable, especially with the variable-thickness lines you're using.

Secondly: Why do your worms have two eyebrows?

Finally: Everything else that's wrong with what you're doing.

1) What's wrong with that? Everyone has different eyes?

2) No, I put let's say the second eyebrows to show the worm's anger.

3) If you know anything more wrong, why don't you report it? :rolleyes:

Instead of adding two eyebrows, you should change the shape of the eye to make it look angrier.

1) What's wrong with that? Everyone has different eyes?
It just looks incredibly noticeable and very, very lazy.

2) No, I put let's say the second eyebrows to show the worm's anger.
As SF has said, change the shape of the eyes.

3) If you know anything more wrong, why don't you report it? :rolleyes:
Because your art is bad.

I for one would like to know why a worm is poking a giant "blueberry muffin" with what I can only presume to be a badly drawn umbrella.

It looks to me like the worm is holding a gun and the blueberry now has a giant beak.

Instead of adding two eyebrows, you should change the shape of the eye to make it look angrier.

How can I do an angry eye?

Because your art is bad.

You don't need to tell me that.

I don't have to, no. But it's fun to say.

I don't have to, no. But it's fun to say.

Why? :rolleyes:

Mostly because your art is terrible.

Mostly because your art is terrible.

Why? :rolleyes:

Because the body of the worm has an outline while everything else doesn't, because the two eyes on the worm are exactly identical, because the worm is badly shaped, because the muffin is HORRIBLY shaped, because blueberries don't have blood no matter how fun it might be to make something to bleed more red stuff than it's original bodyweight, because even the blood is horribly shaped, because the gun still looks like an umbrella, because... okay, look, I could go on for a long long time. There's a lot of reasons your art sucks, so either start trying to improve it or stop complaining.

If a blueberry is bleeding, it should technically be purple-blue.

How can I do an angry eye?
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_0/1089180411JhJPEl.jpg
Google Images is your friend.

If a blueberry is bleeding, it should technically be purple-blue.

Maybe it's a rancid blueberry?

That's not a great example of an angry eye. Firstly, it's a real eye not a cartoon one. Secondly, without seeing the rest of the face the intended emotion isn't overly clear.

GIS is apparently not your friend today.

Indeed. But I'm lazy and that was the first image I found when searching "Angry eye" into Google.
Here is a better example.
http://www.webweaver.nu/clipart/img/people/eyes/angry-eyes.gif

For a simplified explanation, it should be like your worm one only the second eyebrows should be eyelids.

You made 2 sets of eyebrows to make it "show anger"

I just tried to "show anger", but instead, I tried without eyebrows at all. And on paint, I got this result.

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See how much the eye shape helps?

And yes, I'm aware I'm terrible, but at least mine shows anger too :p

And yes, I'm aware I'm terrible, but at least mine shows anger too :pactually, that's fairly good :p you just need to move the line from the bottom lip to the ground a bit more towards the inside of the worm so the overbite looks more like it should.

I'd comment on mcmaster's stuff, but what hasn't already been discussed overly-much is os horrible I can't think where to begin....

I drew it into MSPaint because I was lazy. :p

Ignore the body, because my mouse still messes me up.

Please comment on the eyes.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8853/angrywormyeyesrl0.th.png (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angrywormyeyesrl0.png)

He looks like a flat fish.
EDIT FOR GIANT IMAGE
http://www.lessonplanspage.com/graphics/SciencePEArtLAMDFlatfishMovementActivityGraphic.JP G

He looks like a flat fish.
EDIT FOR GIANT IMAGE
http://www.lessonplanspage.com/graphics/SciencePEArtLAMDFlatfishMovementActivityGraphic.JP G

I told you not to comment on the body! :mad:

I told you not to comment on the body! :mad:

Is there anything we are allowed to comment on?:p

Also, you tried to draw my eyes didn't you?

Click me or die in hell (http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Shad13_album/Shadinactioncorrected2.png)

If you didn't try to draw my eyes, then you might want to try my eyes, because they will make the worm look angry.

The eyes look incredibly wrong.

Also, when it comes to worms, there's nothing to comment about but body. That's all there is to them.

Oh, forgot to comment on the pic.

I'm sorry but that is the worst pic you've posted so far. The eyes don't look angry at all, they actually look like confused. And the head just looks weird, and the lines are terribly sloppy.

Use flash, or try the line tools in paint.

I told you that I made this example to show how I make the angry eyes!

I told everyone not to comment on the body for this picture!

P.S. I have also said in two posts (including the one with the picture) that my mouse messes me up. Wait to get better art until I get a good mouse.

Say it with me now, people: "A poor workman always blames his..."

If you weren't happy with the image, why did you post it? The eyes look off-center.

Say it with me now, people: "A poor workman always blames his..."

If you weren't happy with the image, why did you post it? The eyes look off-center.

You have already posted that. :rolleyes:

Also if the tools are crap, then I'm right I blame them! :rolleyes:

I wasn't happy with the body, not with the eyes, because I was expecting comments on the eyes. :rolleyes:

You have already posted that. :rolleyes:
Largely because in most cases it's accurate. On this forum, at least - someone posts bad art and they blame MSPaint, or their mouse, or their computer. Or the moon.

Also if the tools are crap, then I'm right I blame them! :rolleyes:
Yes, but to be fair your art is pretty dire in most cases. I could buy you a Wacom tablet (http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Intuos3-9X12-USB-Tablet/dp/B0003009AI/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1214507444&sr=8-2) and you'd probably blame that for your bad art as well.

I wasn't happy with the body, not with the eyes, because I was expecting comments on the eyes. :rolleyes:
Well we've commented on the eyes - they suck.

Largely because in most cases it's accurate. On this forum, at least - someone posts bad art and they blame MSPaint, or their mouse, or their computer. Or the moon.

MSPaint is just too difficult. It is for experienced people like you. :mad:

Yes, but to be fair your art is pretty dire in most cases. I could buy you a Wacom tablet (http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Intuos3-9X12-USB-Tablet/dp/B0003009AI/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1214507444&sr=8-2) and you'd probably blame that for your bad art as well.

How can I blame it? I doubt that you could buy me that. :rolleyes:

Well we've commented on the eyes - they suck.

Yeah, but I won't call them "eyes comments" if they include body and head comments.

MSPaint is just too difficult. It is for experienced people like you. :mad:
Hahahaha!!

How can I blame it? I doubt that you could buy me that. :rolleyes:
I could, but I'm not going to. You don't reward a bad artist by giving them something that allows them to draw that bad art more easily and so increasing their output.

Yeah, but I won't call them "eyes comments" if they include body and head comments.
HAHAHAHA!!!!

Yeah, but I won't call them "eyes comments" if they include body and head comments.
Really? I sure would.

Hahahaha!!

Imgoingtokillyouandallthecakeisgoneyoudontevencare .

Doyouthisisyourlastchance.


I could, but I'm not going to. You don't reward a bad artist by giving them something that allows them to draw that bad art more easily and so increasing their output.

But you said that. :rolleyes:

HAHAHAHA!!!!

Your evil laugh is worse than Ellen McLain's. :p

Imgoingtokillyouandallthecakeisgoneyoudontevencare .

Doyouthisisyourlastchance.
This means nothing to me. Ah, Vienna.
But you said that. :rolleyes:
I said I could. I never said I would.

Your evil laugh is worse than Ellen McLain's. :p
I love how you can't even hear my evil laugh.

I made a few edits on McMasters pic, i made the eyebrows rectangle because its just an example.

The eyebrows should be like that, (but of course in the proper shape)

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/Shad13_album/Angryeyesm.png

Which worm is more angrier, yours or mine.

yours is more angry but i prefer Mcmaster one :P

as much as it pains me to say so, shadowmoon's drawing is FAR better...

and just so you'll ignore my entire post: the body of that worms sucks.

It still looks like a flatfish.

And I was commenting on the eyes the whole time.

I was just making an edit on the eyes.

I didn't intend to edit the worm shape itself?

For the last time, I was talking about the position of the eyes.

Pay attention.

For the last time, I was talking about the position of the eyes.

Pay attention.

Oh, so you mean the "flatfish" comment actually was at the eyes?

I seem to have misunderstood, sorry.

I did the image again, and I tried using Shadowmoon's angry eyez style.

I used mostly the tools on the body, because my mouse still messes me up.

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6347/angryeyezne6.th.png (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angryeyezne6.png)

Thanks to my mouse, my 7 attempts died in the hell.

better but the ayebrows are sad

better but the ayebrows are sad

Sad? What do you mean with that?

because the gun still looks like an umbrella

Just noticed this.

The gun looks like an umbrella???

You're definitely kidding.

when you are sad your eyebrows are up and when you are angry are down

check the worm please

The eyebrows need to be angled downwards to the centre of the face.

when you are sad your eyebrows are up and when you are angry are down

I saw that, and the dead part in my brain had the urge to do this.

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It means nothing, I have no idea why I'm posting it, forgive me.

Just noticed this.

The gun looks like an umbrella???

You're definitely kidding.no, he wasn't. that gun looks like an umbrella. in fact, it looks more like an umbrella than it does a gun.

also, that worm is a marginal improvement, but you did nothing to fix the body, and it still looks horrendous.

The gun looks like an umbrella. Why? because you got the gunfire wrong.

The new pic: Better, but the eyebrows are wrong, and it still doesn't look angry.

Also, you really need to work on the body. The body shape still looks bad.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/186/gunnotanumbrellaxk5.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunnotanumbrellaxk5.jpg)

Now tell me the gun I circled in red looks like an umbrella.

You all need to check your eyes.

The body in my new angry eyes picture was bad because my mouse messes me up and I had to use the tools.

convert the gun into a sword Tad ah!!

Yes, it does look like an umbrella.

We don't need to check our eyes at all- you do.

Mouse=semi excuse. Granted, it just takes some getting used to, but just look at all Splapp's stuff from January (I believe that's when he got his tablet?) and past.
Mouses just take a little bit of getting used to, is all.

Now tell me the gun I circled in red looks like an umbrella.

You all need to check your eyes.
Congratulations on finding the best way to get as many people as possible to tell you exactly that :p

Also, if you can't work with the mouse (I certainly can't), don't do it at all rather than doing it and using it as an excuse later.

McMaster, why don't you post a hand-drawn pic?

I'm curious to see one, to see if it is any better.

McMaster, why don't you post a hand-drawn pic?

I'm curious to see one, to see if it is any better.

Seconded :P

THE PENCIL IS MIGHTIER THAN THE MOUSE!
B*tch

Don't be an idiot, McMaster. The people who said that it looks like an umbrella were talking about the gun+what is apparently supposed to be gunfire, not just the item circled in red.
EDIT: Someone posted this before I did.
Anyway, you need an outline around the hand. And you need to add fingers, otherwise the hand looks like a blob that a weapon is sticking out of, rather than a hand holding a weapon.

Yeah, the circled gun doesn't look like an umbrella.

It looks like an umbrella handle.

I... You're... *sigh* What's the point? McMaster will ignore my criticism and assume I'm Trolling. But it's bad. Really bad. Your art doesn't seem to be growing at all. I'm beginning to wonder who's worse - you, or Tal05.

Yeah, the circled gun doesn't look like an umbrella.

It looks like an umbrella handle.

Everyone talked about only the gun, not the gunfire and the blood.

Everyone who said that should have been more clear.

If the worm's hand wasn't there, it wouldn't look like an umbrella handle.

McMaster, why don't you listen to people and take their advice on board?

You said you really wanted to be a good artist on yauhui's forum.

Everyone talked about only the gun, not the gunfire and the blood.

Alright. The gunfire is what makes the gun look like an umbrella, and the blood splattering looks like you just went crazy with the Paintbrush tool and drew a bunch of... scribbles.

Who cares about what wording they used? It's bad enough that any association similar to that can even be made.

Don't get all offensive on people, it just makes you look stupid.

Everyone talked about only the gun, not the gunfire and the blood.
Wait, that orange and black thing was gunfire?
I... I don't even know how you managed to get such a horribly wrong impression of what a line of bullets looks like!
Or how, when I said 'poking', you took it to mean 'shooting at'

If the worm's hand wasn't there, it wouldn't look like an umbrella handle.
Yes it would.

I'm beginning to wonder who's worse - you, or Tal05.
Tal05 takes some constructive criticism in.

If the worm's hand wasn't there, it wouldn't look like an umbrella handle.
If anything that would make it look MORE like an umbrella handle...

Might as well just copypasta a gun then.

Everyone talked about only the gun, not the gunfire and the blood.

Everyone who said that should have been more clear.

If the worm's hand wasn't there, it wouldn't look like an umbrella handle.if you honestly couldn't tell what we were talking about, then you're beyond all hope of being helped....seriously, it was abundantly clear.

If you don't know what you drew you've really got to listen to what we've got to say.

I used got twice in that sentence just because I didn't wanna hit back space...

I used got twice in that sentence just because I didn't wanna hit back space...

Didn't typing this sentence exert more energy than going back and slightly rewording your sentence?

Also, I hereby put forth a request to change the title of this thread to McMaster's "Art".

Didn't typing this sentence exert more energy than going back and slightly rewording your sentence?

He never mentioned the cause, though, and yes, if you need very clear instructions to notice that your gun is actually an umbrella, I think you are a bit dense. It's the kind of thing you need to know if your life depends on it.

"One's a gun, the other's an umbrella. BUT WHICH???"

He never mentioned the cause, though, and yes, if you need very clear instructions to notice that your gun is actually an umbrella, I think you are a bit dense. It's the kind of thing you need to know if your life depends on it.

"One's a gun, the other's an umbrella. BUT WHICH???"

"One of these things is not like the other!"

Isn't that one of the lyrics from "The Pretender" by the Foo Fighters?

Isn't that one of the lyrics from "The Pretender" by the Foo Fighters?

I'm pretty sure it's Seasame street.

I could swear that you people are trying to get this thread locked. In fact, you probably are. Bah.


McMaster, you shouldn't just draw a single worm and post it here. It won't really get you anything in return except for shallow criticism and outright flames.

I mean, you should be able to criticize your own work. You should be able to look at your picture and think "okay then, what would make this better?" You don't need us to look at it. I drew a ton of worms before I actually posted my first picture, which happened to be this (http://img108.exs.cx/img108/515/TT01.jpg).
I've never posted a picture of a single boring worm with no background, as far as I know. Those are sketches, and you should be making those for no reason other than to improve yourself. If you make a lot of sketches you should get a lot better.
Right now you're sketching a single worm and posting it here and waiting for criticism, and you'll never improve at that rate.

Drawing and improving should be fun for you first and foremost. Remember that.
Posting stuff on this forum will only get you bull**** about umbrellas with absolutely NO ONE telling you what the actual problem is (You made the bullet trail look really weird with the thick orange outline. A google image search for "Pistol muzzle flash" gives this example (http://www.mjknightsmilitaryeffects.co.uk/tv%20armourer%20firing%20pistol.jpg). Bullets don't leave trails, really. The presence of a gun makes it clear that something is getting shot at. This parenthesis is way too long).

I do wish this forum could give better advice than "It's all terrible! Change everything!", but that's not really going to happen.

Isn't that one of the lyrics from "The Pretender" by the Foo Fighters?

I think that would be "What if I say I'm not like the others?"

I could swear that you people are trying to get this thread locked. In fact, you probably are. Bah.

I do wish this forum could give better advice than "It's all terrible! Change everything!", but that's not really going to happen.that's easy to say when you've not been posting here the whole time. we HAVE tried to help. on multiple occassions. this is just from page 5:

Instead of adding two eyebrows, you should change the shape of the eye to make it look angrier.
Because the body of the worm has an outline while everything else doesn't, because the two eyes on the worm are exactly identical, because the worm is badly shaped, because the muffin is HORRIBLY shaped, because blueberries don't have blood no matter how fun it might be to make something to bleed more red stuff than it's original bodyweight, because even the blood is horribly shaped, because the gun still looks like an umbrella, because... okay, look, I could go on for a long long time. There's a lot of reasons your art sucks, so either start trying to improve it or stop complaining.
Indeed. But I'm lazy and that was the first image I found when searching "Angry eye" into Google.
Here is a better example.
http://www.webweaver.nu/clipart/img/people/eyes/angry-eyes.gif
You made 2 sets of eyebrows to make it "show anger"

I just tried to "show anger", but instead, I tried without eyebrows at all. And on paint, I got this result.

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See how much the eye shape helps?

And yes, I'm aware I'm terrible, but at least mine shows anger too :p

and all of that was completely ignored or responded with intentional ignorance:
I told you that I made this example to show how I make the angry eyes!

I told everyone not to comment on the body for this picture!

P.S. I have also said in two posts (including the one with the picture) that my mouse messes me up. Wait to get better art until I get a good mouse.
You have already posted that. :rolleyes:

Also if the tools are crap, then I'm right I blame them! :rolleyes:

I wasn't happy with the body, not with the eyes, because I was expecting comments on the eyes. :rolleyes:

there's no point in trying to help if someone refuses to listen.

It was like, 3 in the morning when I wrote that. You know how I am. :p

I still stand by some of it, at least. Mostly the "don't post sketches" thing.

It was like, 3 in the morning when I wrote that. You know how I am. :pyou really need to stop posting late at night :p

Or maybe everyone else needs to do it.

That would be, like... the worst forum ever. :p

Oh yes, and I HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN A WHILE, SO BEAR WITH ME! TOO MUCH SPAM ALL UP IN HERE, SO ANY POSTS HERE ON OUT THAT ARE OFFTOPIC SHALL BE DEEMED SILLY/REPORTED!

Indeed.

Anyway, McMaster, you aren't going to get better at art if you pretend not to understand people's negative criticisms of your artwork or make excuses as to why it's not good. You need to accept constructive negative criticism and learn from it.

Come on McMaster, show us what you've learned from this!

OK, here's a new picture.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5193/environmenttestta5.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=environmenttestta5.jpg)

I added shading to my sigworm and environment.

The expression is good.:D

Why is the sun in front of that cloud?

Why is the sun in front of that cloud?

Sunset, thats why.

So the sun travels from the centre of our solar system shrinks to like 1/1,000,000,000,000 of it's actual size and positions itself in front of clouds during the sunset does it?

Why is the sun in front of that cloud?

So the sun travels from the centre of our solar system shrinks to like 1/1,000,000,000,000 of it's actual size and positions itself in front of clouds during the sunset does it?

Whoops, stupid me, I'll edit the picture.

The background doesn't matter much right now anyway- the worms do.