Just curious, basically.

I don't know a lot of browsers, but i've tried to add the browsers i know on here, and i also added an other category.

I use IE. I love IE, its fast, and simple. I have tried AOL too, but that can be slow a lot.

So what browser do you use?

EDIT: I put multiple choice vote on because some people use more than one browser.

I use Firefox because it has my bookmarks, and use IE for everything else.

I use Firefox because it has my bookmarks, and use IE for everything else.

What are bookmarks?

Just curious. I've never heard of them.

Bookmarks are the decent browsers' names for "favourites"

OPERA FTW!

i really like the way firefox works, for the most part. i do run into occasional missing plugin, or something like that, that forces me to use ie.

i also sometimes use custom-built browsing programs when i need something non-standard done. fortunately, http protocol is extremely simple, and writing your own code to retrieve pages is easy. that and a simple dom parser gives you a basic browser.

I've used Firefox since it was version 1 and stuff, but over time I've noticed it's actually gotten slower, and that benefit for me from when it first came out is lost nowadays. Opera loads faster, and you can set it to wrap tabs on to multiple lines, or just keep them all on one line with no horizontal scrollbar. It also has a lot of the features I'm interested in, by default, whereas Firefox needs plugins to get the same level of functionality and comfort. Some might argue that the fact Firefox is a little more basic and that such extra features must be installed using plugins makes it more flexible in some way. Thing is, though, Opera uses less memory and still manages to keep its interface and all its options simple.

I like Opera's support for multiple stylesheets, or no stylesheet at all. It's interesting to see how a web site would look without its stylesheet in use, and also how any versions of the site for print, screen and portable devices differ by examning the author-made stylesheet for each platform. It's helpful, from a web design point of view, and switching between them is easy, using the View menu.

Firefox.
Internet Explorer is poo.

used to use firefox then it decided to start hating my computer. I then went and looked up opera. it looked good so I downloaded it. now I know it IS good. I continue to use it even now.

Firefox. Used to use IE, but it was too crappy so I looked for something else.

Heard good things about Opera though, may try that out sometime.

Firefox.
Internet Explorer is poo.

:mad::rolleyes:

But i haven't used any of the other browsers, so i can't say that internet explorer is the best on there. I've used AOL though, and its ridiculously slow.

I'm also very pleased with Opera on my linux machine. Under Windows I use Mozilla Firefox 2. On my old Pentium 2 I've installed Mozilla SeaMonkey and Mozilla Firefox 3 Beta 5. They run pretty smooth under Ubuntu 8.04, although that oldtimer does have only 350 MHz and 256+128 MB RAM.
It's important for me to have browser that run on more than one operating system, so IE is useless for me (beside it's only a bad collection of innovations of better browsers and it ignores many web standards).

Opera at home and IE at work.

apparently, ie8 is being designed to follow the standards. the current version is capable of rendering some compliance tests that ff fails.

:mad::rolleyes:

But i haven't used any of the other browsers, so i can't say that internet explorer is the best on there. I've used AOL though, and its ridiculously slow.AOL uses IE but also uses a ridiculously large amount of other things that do nothing but bog down your computer for no reason. it really is a stupid program.

FF2 all the way.
Well, except for Exchange web mail access of my work e-mail account and my router's web access, where I use IE7 via the IE Tab plugin from within FF2.

At work I'm forced to use IE7, as I can't be bothered to make the admin get FF installed (and kept up-to-date) on every workstation. :-/

Firefox is winning!:eek:

I assumed that Internet Explorer was the best browser, but i must be wrong.

I assumed that Internet Explorer was the best browser, but i must be wrong.
every single windows machine comes with internet explorer, and yet people install alternative browsers. one might venture a guess that there is probably an underlying reason for that.

an underlying reason for that.

Silly hate for everything-microsoft?

Just kidding, even though I bet there's a percentage whose main reason is that.

I've used Opera for a couple of years now, and it goes without saying I find it much better than I ever did IE.

I used Internet Explorer, thought it was crap then downloaded Firefox
Then I got a Macbook and used Safari for a while but didn't like it much so I downloaded Firefox again.

Funny story: The reason why I tried Opera in the first place was because my firefox was completely messing up; in any form on a page, and in the address and search bars, when I typed the pointer remained before the ting I just typed, so if I were to type forum.team17.com it would come out as moc.71maet.murof. It really annoyed me so I tried Opera, and saw the light.

I find Safari better than Firefox tbh.

Guess what i have done!

I have joined the firefox side!

Yes, i've got firefox, and it rocks!

I won't use internet explorer much now....

Firefox really makes you aware of how bad Internet Explorer actually is...

I know most of you will beleive me, but here's proof.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2619/mozillafirefoxproofjj6.png

Firefox really makes you aware of how bad Internet Explorer actually is...

Its certainly much more faster than internet explorer. It looks much better too.

Not saying that internet explorers bad tho, but this new browser totally rocks!

My browser of choice is Firefox, although I occasionally use ABrowse for testing purposes (and for fun).

Also, I can't help but feel that the only reason you started this poll was to see which browser people used the most so you could follow the herd and make the switch. Just try them all out yourself and make a decision based on what you prefer, guy.

Opera > Firefox. Get Opera.

It's subjective. Under the hood, Opera is better than Firefox. But they provide a approximately equal user experience. I prefer to use Firefox because it's just that little bit more user-friendly than Opera is.

Also, I can't help but feel that the only reason you started this poll was to see which browser people used the most so you could follow the herd and make the switch. Just try them all out yourself and make a decision based on what you prefer, guy.

My internet explorer browser has been extremely laggy lately, and slow. So i decided to create this thread to get some info on what people like here, and seen as Mozilla firefox seems to be the best here, i decided to switch to that straight away. And its much faster than my laggy old internet explorer browser.

And i'm not going to try out 10 or so browsers just to find out which one suits me.

Your right, that is why i created this thread. To get some opinions. And i've chosen Firefox, as it seems to be mentioned in other forums as well.

Also out of curiousity, i created this thread.

Might try out opera tho, sooner or later.

Yeah, you don't have to download all the extensions to get the features :)

Remember, most popular <> best, as you can see with the Windows/Linux thing, the IE/FF/Opera, and the charts for games most times.


Dispite most people answering FF, most people on the internet who aren't reasonably elite (eg the average tom, dick or harry) will use IE. Mainly ignorance.

I use IE, Opera, And Firefox at the same time.

No sh*t. :cool:

Yeah, you don't have to download all the extensions to get the features :)
Yes, but it also means I'm not stuck with a bunch of features I have no intention of using.

I use firefox because it has Greasemonkey, an extension which has made my Kingdom of Loathing (http://kingdomofloathing.com/) gameplay experience oh so much nicer. I don't know how I lived without tabbed chat and Mr. Script. (most of you have no idea what I'm talking about, but that's OK)

Opera has User JS which in most cases is compatible with GreaseMonkey

I'm actually gonna try out opera now.

I am a very curious person, and i want to see what its like.

EDIT: Don't like opera.

I also uninstalled firefox, its quite glitchy, which is a shame, because its quite a good browser.

So i've got IE again. It was slow because lots of things were clogging up my computer.

I also uninstalled firefox, its quite glitchy, which is a shame, because its quite a good browser.

What's glitchy about it? :-/

What's glitchy about it? :-/

It just seems to hate my computer.

It keeps crashing when i use it.

IE may be crap, but it is fast.

I've never had any problems with it.
Which Operating System do you have, Vista?

I've never had any problems with it.
Which Operating System do you have, Vista?

XP.

I wouldn't dream of getting vista.

Another thing: My computers been really slow lately, so that might be what caused the error. Maybe when i clean up my computer it will work... but for now, i'm using Internet Explorer until i clean up my computer of useless stuff.

IE is probably why your computer's running slow and crashing...

I trust you've done a spyware/malware and virus scan recently.

I use IE. I love IE, its fast, and simple.

My internet explorer browser has been extremely laggy lately, and slow.

And i'm not going to try out 10 or so browsers just to find out which one suits me.

I'm actually gonna try out opera now.

I also uninstalled firefox, its quite glitchy, ... its quite a good browser.


IE may be crap, but it is fast.

Mind. Blown.

Also, I use IE.

I would rather chop off one of my toes than use IE.

Mind. Blown.

Also, I use IE.

I thought it was the IE browser that was slow.
:p

IE is probably why your computer's running slow and crashing...

I trust you've done a spyware/malware and virus scan recently.

That would also interest me.

XP.

I wouldn't dream of getting vista.it's just as stable as XP. in fact, it's the exact same OS just with shininess. in order to make it not annoying you just disable all the bits that vista added and it becomes a perfectly normal and usable OS. :p

Another thing: My computers been really slow lately, so that might be what caused the error. Maybe when i clean up my computer it will work... but for now, i'm using Internet Explorer until i clean up my computer of useless stuff.IE gets you tons of spyware and trojans and everything else. these things bog down your computer. chances are good it's because of IE that everything's going slow.

and what don't you like about Opera?

IE gets you tons of spyware and trojans and everything else. these things bog down your computer. chances are good it's because of IE that everything's going slow.

Is that right? i'll uninstall it then.

If, i can get it back for free. Can you, or do you pay for it?

And i just don't like opera. Firefox seems more simpler.

I deleted some unwanted progams, and installed Firefox again.

There's no point uninstalling IE, it's not going to do any harm if you hardly use it.
Anyway, there are some sites that don't work without IE, or don't work with Firefox, so I really reccomend not uninstalling it.

Is that right? i'll uninstall it then.

If, i can get it back for free. Can you, or do you pay for it?

And i just don't like opera. Firefox seems more simpler.

I deleted some unwanted progams, and installed Firefox again.just having IE on your computer doesn't get you spyware. the spyware is normally programmed in such a way that it is most malicious towards IE because IE is the most commonly used browser. using IE to go to the same list of sites as you would with firefox will yield more spyware because of this. IE is actually MORE secure than firefox, but because IE is more often targetted it gets more bugs.

think of it like this: you can choose 2 shields. one is a tower shield with a target painted on the front in neon lights, the other is a buckler. the buckler will do a better job since you're not so obviously trying to attract attention but the tower shield would normally do a better job.

There's no point uninstalling IE, it's not going to do any harm if you hardly use it.
Anyway, there are some sites that don't work without IE, or don't work with Firefox, so I really reccomend not uninstalling it.

You can't uninstall IE.


just having IE on your computer doesn't get you spyware. the spyware is normally programmed in such a way that it is most malicious towards IE because IE is the most commonly used browser. using IE to go to the same list of sites as you would with firefox will yield more spyware because of this. IE is actually MORE secure than firefox, but because IE is more often targetted it gets more bugs.

think of it like this: you can choose 2 shields. one is a tower shield with a target painted on the front in neon lights, the other is a buckler. the buckler will do a better job since you're not so obviously trying to attract attention but the tower shield would normally do a better job.

Whence do you know that IE is more secure than Firefox?

Actually the security level of a browser depends on the user, who uses that software. If you click on everything you get your mouse on, you can get sure, you get malware, you don't want.
First option to make your system securer: Get rid of administrator rights. Do everything you do without admin rights. If you want to install software switch your account or run the Windows Explorer with admin rights.
Second option: Turn javascript off. We're getting at a point where Opera and Firefox (and other browsers) are better than IE (I know IE has a zone model, but it's too general).
With NoScript for Firefox you can allow pages, you trust, using JavaScript, it's much more confortable, than switching it on/off for the complete web.
With Opera you can define many other things the page you're surfing on may do/not do.

So, as a result: Every browser can be secure, if the user uses his brain, addons or built-in features and working without admin rights can help.

Whence do you know that IE is more secure than Firefox?it was some "IE Myths" site. they said they tested it and the security in IE was actually better than FF (but not as good as Opera).

www.firefoxmyths.com

www.firefoxmyths.comah yes, that site.

I use Opera.

Speaking of Opera, I do wish that their Wii browser had support for more recent Flash animations...

That's adobe's fault for not letting non-PC systems to use flash 8 or above.

I use Opera.

I... I Love you

I... I Love you
Now you're reminding me of Liketysplitt.



...can I call you Bob?

OPERA FTW!

Opera is great. Email client, IRC, RSS...everything's embedded. No need for any addons really!

Now you're reminding me of Liketysplitt.



...can I call you Bob?

Sure!.. or...

I don't know... maybe?

And still; Opera browser for the wins.

Surprised how many votes Opera got, I thought Firefox was hype alternative to the mainstream-yet-equally-mainstream. It's begining to stop being cool and original to use Opera :(
Sarcam on a side, everyone should give Opera a try, whilst Firefox might be easier to use, Opera comes with the same features and more without the need to go in depth with it.

Sarcam on a side, everyone should give Opera a try, whilst Firefox might be easier to use, Opera comes with the same features and more without the need to go in depth with it.

It also comes with a bunch of features that I don't use. I'm quite happy with being able to add/remove plug-ins for Firefox as I need them.

It also comes with a bunch of features that I don't use. I'm quite happy with being able to add/remove plug-ins for Firefox as I need them.more a matter of personal taste, I think. I prefer having features I don't use as opposed to not having features that I do use. I'm fine with the extra bits in Opera. besides, is there no way to remove them from Opera? or at least hide them? I believe you can at least do the latter.

Firefox has been stupid.

So i've had to install it, and go back to IE. But since firefox 2 didn't do anything to my computer and it was only Beta 5 that did, i might re-install it later.

As you will find out from the ammount of times changing my profile, installing browser, etc, it takes me looooooooooonnnnnng time to be comfortable.

No wonder you had problems if you were using a Beta version of Firefox.... that's why they're called "Beta" versions - because they're unfinished and not stable code.

No wonder you had problems if you were using a Beta version of Firefox.... that's why they're called "Beta" versions - because they're unfinished and not stable code.

Oh.... well i find that weird... why release a Buggy Beta version, even if they knew it had Bugs.

Yeah, Firefox 2 is doing great. No problems with it yet.

Oh.... well i find that weird... why release a Buggy Beta version, even if they knew it had Bugs.

So that people like you would find and report them.

Oh.... well i find that weird... why release a Buggy Beta version, even if they knew it had Bugs.

Yeah, Firefox 2 is doing great. No problems with it yet.
Because, as Andrew said, it's the only way to efficiently get the bugs detected. It's unfeasible for a developer to test a piece of software on every single possible combination of hardware that exists. So, it's easier to release a Beta version of the software which is relatively stable and have users report the bugs and get them fixed a lot quicker. Pretty much every developer releases beta software before release.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_cycle for more info.

Going to try this Opera thing...
I'll let you guys know how I like it later.

Going to try this Opera thing...
I'll let you guys know how I like it later.

Well? did you like it?

Also, for anyone who has firefox and doesn't know, you can download firefox themes here (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:2)

I've already downloaded quite a few.

For anyone who has Opera and doesn't know, you can download Opera skins here (http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/)

Opera, i find very similiar to firefox.:-/

But with firefox you have to download 10,000 extensions to get the same functionality of opera.

But with firefox you have to download 10,000 extensions to get the same functionality of opera.

Assuming you want each and every one of these 10,000 features when in reality you probably want around 5. :p

Agreed - Opera has a bucketload of features that I've never used. There are some features I liked in Opera, but you can get Firefox plug-ins that perform the same function.

Firefox, really, is a "build it yourself" browser. Personally, I like that - they say that the average person only uses 10% of the features on their mobile phone. Wouldn't you prefer a mobile with features you could pick and choose from?

Well considering I don't use a lot of features, I didn't see a lot of differences. But Opera didn't agree with DeviantART a whole lot when it came to replying to comments in my messages folder... do you need to enable cookies for that?

Agreed - Opera has a bucketload of features that I've never used. There are some features I liked in Opera, but you can get Firefox plug-ins that perform the same function.

Firefox, really, is a "build it yourself" browser. Personally, I like that - they say that the average person only uses 10% of the features on their mobile phone. Wouldn't you prefer a mobile with features you could pick and choose from?if there were a benefit like better battery life or something for having fewer features then hell yeah I would love that. in the case of opera, though, you don't really get any down sides for having the extra features built-in. not to say that my way is better than yours or anything, there just really isn't much difference no matter how you look at it. to me anyway.

Considering this thread is a bit old, i am just pointlessly reviving this to bring a small announcement.

Opera 9.50 is out. It has this slick new interface. It is very awesome looking indeed.

It's just a web browser.

It's just a web browser.which is why he mentioned it in the "which browser do you use?" thread

Is there a bookmarks toolbar for Opera 9.5? is it possible to put the Address bar above the Tab bar? Is there a way to remove/hide the Widgets menu on the menu bar at the top?

These 3 things are the biggest annoyance I have encountered with opera 9.5

I've got an option to hide/show the bookmarks/widgets/download/whatever thing on the left. if that's what you're talking about.

no idea about the rest.

I edited my last post to make it a bit clearer. Also, this theme is pretty groovy :)

Colission-1.0

Is there a bookmarks toolbar for Opera 9.5?
Yeah. It's called the personal toolbar. Activate it in tools --> appearance. You can drag buttons from the bookmarks panel (the thing that opens on the left when you click the picture of tools), icons in address bars or tabs to it, but not from the bookmarks menu.
is it possible to put the Address bar above the Tab bar?
If you use a simple workaround, yes. Show the main bar and hide the address bar. Then, right click on the main bar and click customize, and remove all the buttons on the main bar and replace them with the ones that would be on the address bar. Hey presto. There might be a custom menu someone has made with this already set up. Also, select "images only" for the Style in the toolbar tab
Is there a way to remove/hide the Widgets menu on the menu bar at the top?
Yes. Open your standard_menu.ini (IIRC it's in the dir you installed Opera). Ctrl+F for "[Browser menu bar]" (including the square brackets but not the quotes). In that section, comment out the line "Submenu, M_WIDGET_MENU, Browser Widgets Menu" by putting a semicolon (;) and a space before it



Also, I have updated QuickQuote+ to work with 9.5 (it worked already but if you didn't already have it you couldn't actually install it), look at the thread.

It's just a web browser.Yet we get dozens of threads whenever something happens with Firefox. :rolleyes:

Yet we get dozens of threads whenever something happens with Firefox. :rolleyes:
"Dozens" implies that there is more than one dozen at minimum. Therefore, you are 23 threads off.

Yeah. It's called the personal toolbar. Activate it in tools --> appearance. You can drag buttons from the bookmarks panel (the thing that opens on the left when you click the picture of tools), icons in address bars or tabs to it, but not from the bookmarks menu.

If you use a simple workaround, yes. Show the main bar and hide the address bar. Then, right click on the main bar and click customize, and remove all the buttons on the main bar and replace them with the ones that would be on the address bar. Hey presto. There might be a custom menu someone has made with this already set up. Also, select "images only" for the Style in the toolbar tab

Yes. Open your standard_menu.ini (IIRC it's in the dir you installed Opera). Ctrl+F for "[Browser menu bar]" (including the square brackets but not the quotes). In that section, comment out the line "Submenu, M_WIDGET_MENU, Browser Widgets Menu" by putting a semicolon (;) and a space before it



Also, I have updated QuickQuote+ to work with 9.5 (it worked already but if you didn't already have it you couldn't actually install it), look at the thread.

Thanks a crap load, if there was rep, id give ya some!

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h133/franpa/untitled-14.png [Picture of my browser]


EDIT: is there a way to disable/hide the Open In New Tab when you right click a link? How do you change what Search Engine it uses for it's Browse By Name function? it currently uses some retarded one >.> or, when i type Virtuanes, it takes me to www.Virtuanes.com instead of http://virtuanes.s1.xrea.com/

is there a way to disable/hide the Open In New Tab when you right click a link?
I posted that in the other thread (the one about FF3 being out)
How do you change what Search Engine it uses for it's Browse By Name function? it currently uses some retarded one >.> or, when i type Virtuanes, it takes me to www.Virtuanes.com (http://www.virtuanes.com/) instead of http://virtuanes.s1.xrea.com/
That one is quite difficult, as Opera's current behaviour is "if not found, stick a www.*.com to it". There is however a way for you to type, for example, "l virtuanes.com" (or any other letter apart from ones already in use such as w, g, e or d) by adding this to your search.ini (you can also do it via the GUI, but I prefer doing it this way):
[Search Engine 1]
ID=1000000
Name=I'm Feeling Lucky
Verbtext=0
URL=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=iso-8859-1&q=%s&sourceid=opera&btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky
Query=
Key=l
Is post=0
Has endseparator=0
Encoding=utf-8
Search Type=0
Position=-1
Nameid=0
Deleted=0


If you have any other search engines in your search.ini, replace "[Search Engine 1]" with the correct number. After this, just type "l virtuanes" for example to I'm Feeling Lucky for Virtuanes. (the l being an el, since the font on the forum is hard to distinguish)

Franpa, where is QuickQuote+ in that screenshot you did? :p

Franpa, where is QuickQuote+ in that screenshot you did?It's not there but it is now next to the Home button :P

That one is quite difficult, as Opera's current behaviour is "if not found, stick a www.*.com to it". There is however a way for you to type, for example, "l virtuanes.com" (or any other letter apart from ones already in use such as w, g, e or d) by adding this to your search.ini (you can also do it via the GUI, but I prefer doing it this way):How is that easier than right-clicking the search box and selecting Create Search?

You can also change your default search engine quickly by right-clicking the search box in the Speed Dial and selecting Manage Search Engines.

Muzer, 1 more thing. Is there a list or INI something i can download to by default, block tons of advertisments? I kinda miss adblock+ >.>

EDIT:I posted that in the other thread (the one about FF3 being out)http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=36544
This does not contain it, I can't seem to find where you said you posted it. (about removing the open in new tab)

It's called urlfilter.ini and is located in *:\Documents and preferences\*user*\Applicationdata\Opera\Opera 9.5 beta\profile\... [Windows (could be a different path, due to translation)] or /home/*user*/.opera/... [Linux].
You might add parts of my urlfilter.ini to yours. Just copy and past the addresses into the [exclude] section.

%APPDATA%\Opera\Opera\profile\urlfilter.ini

I grab my list from here (http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/index.php). And if you wanna block something yourself just right-click the page and select Block Content...

just right-click the page and select Block Content...Thanks, I know of this already and it does not work that well, images will be blocked for a second on some sites then they simply reload o_O so yea, there are flaws in this system. (yea it probably is directly linked to the urlfilter.ini >.>)I grab my list from here (http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/index.php).Thanks, i'll take a look.%APPDATA%\Opera\Opera\profile\urlfilter.iniTh anks.


EDIT: It's A improvement, but it is still no where near as good as adblock+ :(



Don't you just love Nvidia Ntune? I had to system restore to yesterday to get everything working again, uninstalling Ntune had no effect on the damage it had caused. This screwed up the opera theme and so I reinstalled opera :( as well as my video drivers (just for the sake of it)

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=656620&postcount=25

I pledged, and downloaded it. Doesn't look different (but that can be changed with skins)

Firefox 2 > Firefox 3

Fx 3 fails to load pages, fails to render pages correctly, fails to maintain connections, renders forums in a bad way... (makes everything jitter around till it is all loaded), is overall a terrible browser.

Firefox 2 works perfectly and will even work fine along side my download accelerators and so does Opera!

I noticed these problems in all the beta's and release candidates of Fx 3 and it still is not fixed.

Thats odd, because firefox 3 actually works for me.

Franpa, are you sure you're not using an old beta of FF3? Or that you haven't tried to install FF3 on your dresser drawer again?

Yea after i uninstalled it i deleted all traces of all beta's/RC's of firefox 3 and cleaned out its registry entries before installing the final build.

/me follows guides at www.tweakguides.com >.>

Well then I'm stumped. I don't know anyone else who's having such problems with FF3.

And are you sure you just didn't format and re-install Windows again, Franpa?

When I installed FF3 it updated FF2. After seeing that barely any of the addons were compatible, I decided to uninstall it.

Afterwrds FF2 had lost all my cookies.
In addition whenever an addon gets updated and FF2 requires to restart, all my cookies get deleted too.

I need my addons. :(

Your meant to do a fresh install with Firefox 3 :P or else it aint a proper install of FF3 and well, uninstalling it will leave you with a crippled FF2 too. so maybe reinstall FF2. oh and I'm sure, plasma.

Firefox 2 > Firefox 3

Fx 3 fails to load pages, fails to render pages correctly, fails to maintain connections, renders forums in a bad way... (makes everything jitter around till it is all loaded), is overall a terrible browser.

Firefox 2 works perfectly and will even work fine along side my download accelerators and so does Opera!

I noticed these problems in all the beta's and release candidates of Fx 3 and it still is not fixed.

Apparently you're the only one with this problem. I'm on FF3 right now, and it ain't given me any problems.

Firefox 3.1 beta 1 is out now =) no I don't know where to post this, I did not feel this needed a new thread.

Is it any good?

The Windows Firefox hasn't worked properly for me for a long time (aforementioned focus issues). I've switched to Google Chrome, which is mahvelous.

The Windows Firefox hasn't worked properly for me for a long time (aforementioned focus issues). I've switched to Google Chrome, which is mahvelous.
What does Chrome have that Opera doesn't, apart from using each tab as a separate process (which is not usually very useful)

I've heard some pretty funny/bad things about Google Chrome. :rolleyes:

What does Chrome have that Opera doesn't, apart from using each tab as a separate process (which is not usually very useful)
Because, y'know, if a website somehow crashes your browser you want it to bring down everything you were looking at in one go, as opposed to just the tab that caused the problem. Youc an also drag a tab out of the window and it'll pop out in its own window. Sort of thing.

Chrome, for me, offers a nice middle-ground between Firefox and Opera. Opera came loaded with a ton of features I'm never going to use, but was nice and stable. Firefox allowed expansion and plugins and was generally more aesthetically pleasing than Opera, but had trouble handling simple things such as which window is currently in focus. Chrome is nice, stable, expandable, and user-friendly. I've also noticed that websites seem to load a lot quicker in Chrome. I've tested it against IE7, Firefox and Safari (but not Opera, as I no longer have it installed on any of my boxes) and pages load a Hell of a lot faster.

Google's reasoning behind the development of the browser is that most modern browsers were originally built in the 90s when the web was a very different beast. Google say they've built Chrome based on the web as it is now. I'm not sure how much of that I'm prepared to accept, but it seems a reasonable logic.

Also: You're very Militant when it comes to Opera. it;s a web browser.

I've heard some pretty funny/bad things about Google Chrome. :rolleyes:

Such as ?

Youc an also drag a tab out of the window and it'll pop out in its own window. Sort of thing.
You can do that in Opera
Because, y'know, if a website somehow crashes your browser you want it to bring down everything you were looking at in one go, as opposed to just the tab that caused the problem.
If you're going onto sites that crash your browser, you should reconsider which sites you go on.
I've also noticed that websites seem to load a lot quicker in Chrome. I've tested it against IE7, Firefox and Safari (but not Opera, as I no longer have it installed on any of my boxes) and pages load a Hell of a lot faster.
Opera loads pages faster, apparently
Also: You're very Militant when it comes to Opera. it;s a web browser.
A very good one.

Chrome is considerably faster at running javascript than any other browser - except FF 3.1 (presuming the beta has the planned javascript improvements).

As Squirminator said, it's much harder to crash Chrome than most other browsers, and one JS heavy webpage in a tab won't slow down the whole browser. There were a few very large bugs in the first version, and there are still bugs in the current version's canvas implementation, which is kinda daft considering it's aiming at web apps.

Unfortunately, Chrome lacks a few things firefox has which I use a lot, like middle clicking the back-forward buttons to open them in a new tab. If it had them I'd switch to it as my main browser. Until then I'll have to see if FF 3.1 lives up to Chrome's speed.

If you're going onto sites that crash your browser, you should reconsider which sites you go on.
The more and more javascript that's used, the higher the chances of a javascript-related crash.

Also, Opera is proprietary, and I (and I suspect others too) would much rather support an OS browser like Chrome or FF.

You can do that in Opera
Alright then.

If you're going onto sites that crash your browser, you should reconsider which sites you go on.
Sometimes it's unavoidable. not everyone is a great web designer and occasionally, occasionally, a perfectly reasonably-coded website will crash your browser. Sometimes YouTube can crash your browser. Sometimes a Java Applet will cause a problem and force the browser to close. It's all well and good to say "just don't visit siets that will make your browser crash" but that's like saying "computers don't make mistakes, people do" which we all know si emphatically wrong.

Opera loads pages faster, apparently
Alright then.

A very good one.
But it's still just a web browser.

Exactly, www.theclash.org.uk won't ever be a good website regardless of whether it's run in Opera or Firefox.

Web browsers are just whoever sells you your Burger King (the best fast food retailer ever) meal before you have the luxury of eating. Or waiters, if the website's really fancy.
Internet Explorer is an old man. He's a bit slow, and coughs a lot.
Firefox is a woman. She's Russian, but still pretty. Sometimes she doesn't hear your request in your thick English accent, and so gives you the wrong thing because she's trying to be polite.
Opera is English, however, so you'll get it all right to the pudding. She is ginger, if that stirs you away, though.
Chrome has a large chest. Ugly face, too. Specialises in serving appetisers.
Safari is the cook's daughter.

Such as ?
His mom found out that one of his top ten visited sites was a porn site. It was displaying his top ten visited sites when it was opened :P

Exactly, www.theclash.org.uk won't ever be a good website regardless of whether it's run in Opera or Firefox.

Web browsers are just whoever sells you your Burger King (the best fast food retailer ever) meal before you have the luxury of eating. Or waiters, if the website's really fancy.
Internet Explorer is an old man. He's a bit slow, and coughs a lot.
Firefox is a woman. She's Russian, but still pretty. Sometimes she doesn't hear your request in your thick English accent, and so gives you the wrong thing because she's trying to be polite.
Opera is English, however, so you'll get it all right to the pudding. She is ginger, if that stirs you away, though.
Chrome has a large chest. Ugly face, too. Specialises in serving appetisers.
Safari is the cook's daughter.

I like that :D

His mom found out that one of his top ten visited sites was a porn site. It was displaying his top ten visited sites when it was opened :P

That's what Incognito windows are for.

Or so I've been told.

Edit: Who's "h"?

That's what Incognito windows are for.

Or so I've been told.

Edit: Who's "h"?

Plasma! :eek: :D

I do believe I'm going to play around with chrome now that I'm aware of it. see if I like it. are there any skins for it right now? or some way to change teh color away from the horrible blue :p

no, Chrome is still in very early beta stages. anyways, Firefox 3.1 beta 1 works just as good as 3.0 (except ctrl+refresh results in the current page being duplicated in a new tab) it also features the new scripting engine, but you have to enable it manually in about:config.

Plasma! :eek: :D
*sigh* No, Angelus.

i use,firefox mainly,but i use opera to get onto vgdc.

I do believe I'm going to play around with chrome now that I'm aware of it. see if I like it. are there any skins for it right now? or some way to change teh color away from the horrible blue :pyeesh. chrome is nigh useless with the complete lack of options and capabilities in it right now. maybe eventually...

yeesh. chrome is nigh useless with the complete lack of options and capabilities in it right now. maybe eventually...That's its whole point, to be the fastest browser it can be.

That's its whole point, to be the fastest browser it can be.oh that's awesome, then! I've always wanted a car that skips out on the cup holders, the door locks, the radio, the air bags and the anti-lock break system in order to be faster! now I can get it in browser form! woo.

oh that's awesome, then! I've always wanted a car that skips out on the cup holders, the door locks, the radio, the air bags and the anti-lock break system in order to be faster! now I can get it in browser form! woo.

Yeah, your right... I couldnt live without cup-holders either... :(

Fight fire with fire!

That's its whole point, to be the fastest browser it can be.
Uh, no. The rason there are no plugins etc. for it yet is because there hasn't been a single stable official release yet! betas are subject to change at any time, so why make something if it will soon become broken in a later revision of the browser?

Uh, no. The rason there are no plugins etc. for it yet is because there hasn't been a single stable official release yet! betas are subject to change at any time, so why make something if it will soon become broken in a later revision of the browser?because nearly every program that gets modded also recieves official updates that will screw with the mods? world of warcraft is a pointlessly mod-heavy game that gets updated every week and nearly every one of those updates breaks nearly every mod on the game. people just update them every week to compensate. why would they not do the same for a browser? I'm sure those mods are simpler.

oh that's awesome, then! I've always wanted a car that skips out on the cup holders, the door locks, the radio, the air bags and the anti-lock break system in order to be faster! now I can get it in browser form! woo.
You should get this car then: www.ktm-x-bow.com :D

Finest Austrian quality. That's the first car made by KTM. They only made motorbikes before.

just the physical design of that car makes me want to vomit :p

edit: lol and I love how they give you all sorts of options as to how you want ot build the car but half of them are required or not allowed :p

because nearly every program that gets modded also recieves official updates that will screw with the mods? world of warcraft is a pointlessly mod-heavy game that gets updated every week and nearly every one of those updates breaks nearly every mod on the game. people just update them every week to compensate. why would they not do the same for a browser? I'm sure those mods are simpler.
There was a baseline for WoW, every update since v1.0 probably only broke some small things with mods. With Chrome, there is no baseline, there is a greater chance for changes that will require modders to recode from the ground up etc.

Uh, no. The rason there are no plugins etc. for it yet is because there hasn't been a single stable official release yet! betas are subject to change at any time, so why make something if it will soon become broken in a later revision of the browser?Everything Google makes spends years in "betas".

Either way I doubt the way to make an alternative browser is to copy every other browser's feature and chunk it up full of plugins.

Using a modular design for plugins and stuff is the only way to keep everyone happy, eveyone can have what they want then (pretty much).

Google Chrome hasn't even got reliable data that it is the fastest browser; I've tried clean installs of them both on the same box and I can honsestly say that for boot-up times, Opera is not quite as fast but only by about half a second, and that in actual loading of pages, Opera is definitely faster. Maybe it's just that machine, but if all Google Chrome can claim about being faster on that box is 0.5s better boot-up time and slower browsing than Opera, I'm not switching to it.

are you using the latest nightly snapshot?

Google Chrome hasn't even got reliable data that it is the fastest browser; I've tried clean installs of them both on the same box and I can honsestly say that for boot-up times, Opera is not quite as fast but only by about half a second, and that in actual loading of pages, Opera is definitely faster. Maybe it's just that machine, but if all Google Chrome can claim about being faster on that box is 0.5s better boot-up time and slower browsing than Opera, I'm not switching to it.
As far as I was aware, it was mostly just JavaScript Chrome claimed to be quick at (and it really is), which is what's needed for web-apps.

In my desktop I have IE6, and in my laptop IE7 and Google Chrome.

I think Chrome loads pages a bit faster, but not that much compared to IE7.

the one good thing I can say about chrome is that it loads instantaction.com, which opera doesn't (at least for me). that means I no longer have to use IE (I haven't downloaded firefox on this computer) for that site.

aside from that, I got nothin :p

Chrome doesn't support some Adobe plugins, so some websites cannot be viewed correctly. When I try to install them, they don't even start installing.

Back to IE7 now.

Flash works fine, what other plugins are there that any decent site needs?

Shockwave and Acrobat.

Although I can't remember if the latter is a plug-in or a stand-alone.

It's both.

adobe fails in opera :( but works fine everywhere else.

adobe fails in opera http://forum.team17.co.uk/images/newsmilies/sad.gif but works fine everywhere else.
I'm sure I had that installed at one point, I think it works but you have to manually copy the files from firefox.

adobe fails in opera
Adobe.... Adobe is the name of a company with many, many (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Adobe_software) products. You might want to specify what one you're talking about.

oh sorry, I meant Adobe Acrobat reader.

oh sorry, I meant Adobe Acrobat reader.really? that one seems ot work fine in my opera.

Flash works fine, what other plugins are there that any decent site needs?

HTML, CSS, maybe a splash of Javascript. That's enough for almost any website. You'll need Flash to do video, at least until the W3C video standards are sorted, but that's it. Plugins are bad and should be avoided wherever possible.

Acrobat works for me too, and I was using Opera 9.5.
Or, at least it did work on my older computer. Didn't try it on this one yet.

oh that's awesome, then! I've always wanted a car that skips out on the cup holders, the door locks, the radio, the air bags and the anti-lock break system in order to be faster! now I can get it in browser form! woo.I remember Bill Bryson once being entirely puzzled about a 7 seater car with 17 cupholders, and I don't blame him.

TBH, I think you need one, maybe two if you've got someone navigating. That or have it in a bottle and screw the lid down properly. Everyone else can hold their own damn drinks.

I'd prefer to have three. Cup-holders are very useful for holding odd bits and bobs too. And better that it can be used as a cup if empty than have just a rectangular holder.

Edit: damnit Paul, you got me off in a tangent now.

Edit again: actually, it's more like a tangent of a tangent of a tangent.

Excellent, my plan is working.

But yeah, the cupholder I have the most vivid memories of (the pop-out one on my driving instructor's car) wouldn't have been able to hold other items because it was basically a ring with rubber grips.

EDIT: Admittedly "most vivid memories" is a relative term in regards to cupholders.

I like how your avatar relates to what you're saying. All it needs is a train :p

Ehh cupholders, I don't even have a car yet, partially because I still have my L.

Google Chrome hasn't even got reliable data that it is the fastest browser...

Oh, do shut up, will you? We all know you like Opera. A lot. Like, more than friends. But it's only a sodding web browser. It is probably the least important thing in the world to get an Elitist attitude over. Some people like Firefox, some like Opera, some like Safari, some like Chrome, and there are people out there who actually like IE. Accept it and move on.

Alternatively, continue moaning and whining and stomping your fat little feet and see how far that gets you.

I got a free umbrella from Opera Software on Friday, after hearing their talk on web standards.

However, they ran out of cake :(

However, they ran out of cake :(eh. it was probably just false advertising anyway.

:cool:

The people in front of us in the cake queue got cake :p

However, they ran out of cake http://forum.team17.co.uk/images/newsmilies/sad.gif
The cake is a lie!

I like how your avatar relates to what you're saying.Given that this avatar was inspired by that post, I'd be worried if it didn't.

The cake is a lie!I already did that joke. I just did it better :p

Given that this avatar was inspired by that post, I'd be worried if it didn't.
Wait a second; isn't 'going off-topic' just talking about a different topic, and not having no topic altogether?

Your plan is foiled once again, Professor Power, thanks to the heroic acts of Oxford English Dictionary!

Wait a second; isn't 'going off-topic' just talking about a different topic, and not having no topic altogether?You have much to learn about the subtle arts of topic disruption.

For example, none of the six posts before this were on topic, but nor were they specifically on any other topic barring inevitable Portal references.

It's not just about doing off-topic posts, it's about creating the impression that the thread is losing its topic and the next post could be about any old thing. Like, well, the art of thread derailment.

I already did that joke. I just did it better :p

Jokes you need to explain are not better jokes.

It didnt need explaining. It also wasn't the billionth time it had been said in its entirety, and was therefore better

Jokes you need to explain are not better jokes.

It didnt need explaining. It also wasn't the billionth time it had been said in its entirety, and was therefore betterfor once. splinter's right :p if I had to explain my joke to anyone I pity them. seriously. it was obvious.

for once. splinter's right :p if I had to explain my joke to anyone I pity them. seriously. it was obvious.

Well, Muzer made the joke obvious and then you said you already did that joke so that kind of accounts for explaining it.

Portal jokes, after all, are only a tool to create bounds between people, you see, no one finds them funny yet they all jerk off to them for group affection.

Well, Muzer made the joke obvious and then you said you already did that joke so that kind of accounts for explaining it.

Portal jokes, after all, are only a tool to create bounds between people, you see, no one finds them funny yet they all jerk off to them for group affection.why thank you once again for proving to us all how awesome you are while explaining why we're all retarded.

in reality, though, portal jokes are in the "that's so over done you make the joke just BECAUSE it's not funny" sort of like rick rolling, or the "why did the chicken cross the road" joke.

why thank you once again for proving to us all how awesome you are while explaining why we're all retarded.

in reality, though, portal jokes are in the "that's so over done you make the joke just BECAUSE it's not funny" sort of like rick rolling, or the "why did the chicken cross the road" joke.

Oh I see, all your base are belong to us visit this great link http://goatse.cx amidoindisrite?

Not really, no. More of the conventional done-to-death joke jokingly retold way.

Hey! Why isn't Lynx up there?

:D

I prefer links.

*clicks stopwatch*

14 consecutive off-topic posts. Not bad, not bad at all.

I prefer links

Links: The Challenge of Browsing the Web? :p

Links: The Challenge of Browsing the Web? http://forum.team17.co.uk/images/newsmilies/tongue.gif
To lynx I mean. Not as a general browser.

Well, Muzer made the joke obvious and then you said you already did that joke so that kind of accounts for explaining it.

Portal jokes, after all, are only a tool to create bounds between people, you see, no one finds them funny yet they all jerk off to them for group affection.
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He didnt say he never explained it, he said he shouldn't have needed to explain it. Presumably because he forgot he was on the internet...

I understood what he meant.

Oh, do shut up, will you? We all know you like Opera. A lot. Like, more than friends. But it's only a sodding web browser. It is probably the least important thing in the world to get an Elitist attitude over. Some people like Firefox, some like Opera, some like Safari, some like Chrome, and there are people out there who actually like IE. Accept it and move on.

Alternatively, continue moaning and whining and stomping your fat little feet and see how far that gets you.

But hey, at list elitist Opera users have reasons, unlikes those damn Firefox and Macintosh hippys.

But hey, at list elitist Opera users have reasons, unlikes those damn Firefox and Macintosh hippys.
*Bans yakuza* Don't call mods hippies. :p

And Safari isn't just available for OSX - you can get it for Windows as well.

Nothing wrong with being a hippy.

As I'm sure I've said before, I have a pretty massive inertia when it comes to switching to a different application brand. It took me long enough to switch from IE to Firefox, don't expect me to switch from Firefox any time soon.

Nothing can beat the customizability via extensions in Firefox.

And Safari isn't just available for OSX - you can get it for Windows as well.
It's filled with bugs though, please don't use it - it causes hell for fancy ajax.

It's filled with bugs though, please don't use it - it causes hell for fancy ajax.
I'd have thought Safari on Windows and Safari on Mac would render pages the same, since they use the same engine. And I don't have any problems with AJAX on Safari 3 on my Mac

Or Apple are just doing the same as Microsoft did with IE for Mac, and not bothering to really develop the Windows version :p

Or Apple are just doing the same as Microsoft did with IE for Mac, and not bothering to really develop the Windows version :p

Pretty much. Safari mostly is quite good, but occasionally has some very weird glitches, mostly specific to the Windows version.

I remember Safari for Windows.

*opens bookmarks*

*crash*

Fun times.

Or Apple are just doing the same as Microsoft did with IE for Mac, and not bothering to really develop the Windows version :p

safari was only ever developed for the PC so that PC users could develop web apps for the iphone. now that the app store exists, web apps are ~~a thing of the past~~

Yay! Opera 9.61! With almost no differences! (http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/linux/961/)

thats old news.

I have discovered some new features on Chrome, and it fixes a IE7 colour bug on Kremlin Gifts.

It looks like I'll use more often Chrome. If only it had a better and more comfortable look.

I just hate tabs being a part of the window bar along the top... cant double click to open a new tab anymore!

Hey is there a theme for Firefox 3 that makes it look like Firefox 2 on XP? Firefox 2, Reloaded does not look like in the 2nd sample picture :(

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6898 (this IS Firefox reloaded)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/images/t/22206/1213940324 (visit the site above for a large preview.)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h133/franpa/Untitled-29.png (This is what it actually looks like)

Switch back to Opera :p

Out of interest, why did you switch to FF in the first place?

Since moving to Vista, web browsing issue's have disappeared from Firefox. I like the plugins that firefox offer, like adblock+ which is leaps and bounds easier to use then the adblocking thing that Opera uses... Opera fails sometimes and you have to manually edit the Ini file to add a black listed advertisement.

Well you can modify the HOSTS file.

Also, you can download Firefox 2 if you want. I have it on my WillHostForFood directory here (http://willhostforfood.com/access.php?fileid=35475). Because I knew that FF3 wasn't any better than FF2.

Auto updates > Manual updates... hence why adblock+ is infinitely better then the HOSTS method.

I know I can install Firefox 2, but then I loose support for the newest extensions :/

HOSTS is fool-proof, and it blocks Windows Live Messenger and Internet Explorer ads too.

And since Windows Explorer is basically Internet Explorer, viruses and adware can't pop up ads since the ads are blocked via HOSTS.

HOSTS is fool-proof, and it blocks Windows Live Messenger and Internet Explorer ads too.

And since Windows Explorer is basically Internet Explorer, viruses and adware can't pop up ads since the ads are blocked via HOSTS.nothing is fool proof. nothing. ever.

you lose 1 internets.

The HOSTs method involves too much work on my part for very little gain, I don't run spyware on my computer regularly like you might, so theres no real need to use the hosts file. I just like advertising blocked on web pages and that is most easily achieved through adblock+.

Editing a text file is too much work? :confused:

He's on Vista, Vista make it hard work to modify any system files.

Google it if you don't believe me.

In conclusion: Fail Microsoft, uber fail.

Because modifying system files is such a bright idea. :rolleyes:

Anyways, Windows doesn't really give a crap about the "hosts" file, you can delete it and it'll still work.

Where can I find a place that lists just as many things to block via the HOST file as Adblock+?

Google.com