The whole point of not using the circle tool was making the eyes not circley.

The whole point of not using the circle tool was making the eyes not circley.

Yeah, the eyes in the 3rd pic seem a little lung shaped to me.

New pic, it was for my character profile in the alternate character profile thread, if you haven't seen it already.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9044/draculavaom9.png

And, a pic of my sigworm with a weapon called the vacuumator 2000, but it looks too similiar to .Jets, so i might have to make it look different.

Achievement unlocked - Having my weapon partially stolen

Achievement unlocked - Having my weapon partially stolen

LOL!

Although i never said that would become one of his weapons.

Achievement unlocked - Having my weapon partially stolen
I was thinking that also.

Well jet just inspired me to do something.:cool:

It will be done some time later.

I'm thinking you should perhaps remove that "I'm leaving" thing from your sig now ;)

I'm thinking you should perhaps remove that "I'm leaving" thing from your sig now ;)

I've done it now.

Also, is animating hard? i'd like to have an avatar like super_frea's, but with me on it, of course, with the eyes moving back and forth.

I might move onto animations soon, which is why i'm asking.

And by soon, i mean 2 months or something.

I've done it now.

Also, is animating hard? i'd like to have an avatar like super_frea's, but with me on it, of course, with the eyes moving back and forth.

I might move onto animations soon, which is why i'm asking.

And by soon, i mean 2 months or something.simple animations like that aren't particularly hard. actual animations would be rather tough, but mostly you'll run into just timing issues with something like what superfrea has.

Well jet just inspired me to do something.:cool:

It will be done some time later.

Yeah. Just a tad bit too much :P

I hope you do change it though.

Or I'll go rage on ya.

.Jhadow :rolleyes:

.Jhadow :rolleyes:

Ehhh....

what?:-/

.Jhadow :rolleyes:

Another lovely input from Poninja XD

Another pic.

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7505/flamingkatanashadbj6.png

Shadowmoon with his flaming katana. I'm bringing back the old weapon, because i quite like it.

I've made the eyes a bit more lungshaped, done a new tail, which i'd like opinions on, and comments on the fire are appreciated as well.

katana looks like its been fossilized in amber...

katana looks like its been fossilized in amber...

What part of it, may i ask?

Do you think it would be better called the flaming sword or katana?

Oh, and also...

I AM DOING REQUESTS!

Oh, by the way the sword is made of tough wood, and the blade is red because of the fire.

I request again :p

What part of it, may i ask?his point was that the fire isn't shaped like fire, just a red and yellow blob. make it more spikey like you see normal cartoon fire is.

his point was that the fire isn't shaped like fire, just a red and yellow blob. make it more spikey like you see normal cartoon fire is.

Okay, i'll create a new one later.

And i'll do super_frea's request too.

I forgot to save that flash file so i can't edit it, because when i copy or paste a bitmap image on and try to edit it my edit just dissapears.

*I REQUEST*

Oh, by the way the sword is made of tough wood, and the blade is red because of the fire.
Right, so your sword is made of a flammable substance. Which is on fire.
How many swords do you go through a day?

*I REQUEST*


Right, so your sword is made of a flammable substance. Which is on fire.
How many swords do you go through a day?

I didn't know wood was flammable.

I'll make it metal in the next picture. I'll also try to get these requests done, but they won't be done so quickly, so be patient if your good at waiting.:)

Oh, and also, can someone please tell me how to adjust the size of an image?

I didn't know wood was flammable.

So how did you make a campfire before that... Dear God...
KELSTER23 used REQUEST!

Qeruest.

Rueqest

Request.

Woah, 5 requests. This is gonna keep me very busy......

(if your wondering where the other request comes from its from McMaster on anothe forum)

Plasma: Whats that hand supposed to do again? is it a robotic hand? i've forgot.

So how did you make a campfire before that... Dear God...

Never been camping in my entire life.

Seriously shadowmoon, you didn't know that wood can burn? How the heck did you think forest fires worked? Or like, why paper burns? Or why wood burns if it isn't flammable!? Or why buildings go up in flames when they have wooden supports?!

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8448/shadflamingkatanapq9.png

Didn't improve the fire because there is not enough room for the fire. I'll maybe improve it tommorow, if i find room, and most requests will be done tommorow, but before i do plasma's i need to find what exactly the hand does.

Also, how do you create backgrounds in flash? Because when i try to colour the whole pic, nothing happens. I'd just like to know so i can create pictures with backgrounds.

And how can i resize images? y'know, make them a different size?

Why's half of your horizontal scrollbar showing in that last pic?

What do you mean "There's not enough room"?

And how can i resize images? y'know, make them a different size?
imageshack or the ''-'' zoom


I CANT MAKE BACKGROUNDS IM GOING TO DIE :eek:

make a square and colour it

shadowmoon if you draw me i will invite you to the secret cool people club

Shapechanging right robotic hand.

Why's half of your horizontal scrollbar showing in that last pic?

Post #242 reveals your answer.

But surely if you take the time to crop the bottom half out, at least take the time to crop the top half. It's only a few more pixels up.

Didn't improve the fire because there is not enough room for the fire. what do you mean there's not enough room? as large as that blob is, you could REMOVE some to make the fire look like fire. and even if you added, there's plenty of room.

I didn't know wood was flammable.really? well here's a list of other obscure facts you may have missed:
-Water is wet
-you breathe air
-the ground is solid
-solid objects hurtling at your face at high speeds cause pain

seriously. how do you not know wood is flammable?! that's not something anyone could possibly miss. most toddlers figure out that wood is flammable. do you live in a bubble to completely avoid social interaction on any level with any other beings?!

really? well here's a list of other obscure facts you may have missed:
-Water is wet
-you breathe air
-the ground is solid
-solid objects hurtling at your face at high speeds cause pain

seriously. how do you not know wood is flammable?! that's not something anyone could possibly miss. most toddlers figure out that wood is flammable. do you live in a bubble to completely avoid social interaction on any level with any other beings?!

Don't forget that Ice is cold.

What do you mean "There's not enough room"?

How do i make room? i can't make the picture any bigger, otherwise it won't fit in prnt screen so i can't copy and paste it into paint.

Flash is great, and i'm pretty good at the mouse, but the only problems i need to know is the resizing and how to create backgrounds....

imageshack or the ''-'' zoom

Imageshack, yeah.... i'll try that, but zoom won't work it might not copy and paste the picture. I try to put a square around it, and it won't fit, and when i do manage to copy and paste it into paint it comes out small!

So i've got to prnt screen it into paint and copy the picture.

make a square and colour it

So you mean that i can't colour the whole picture? y'see, when doing a flash picture you've got to be carefull not to go out in the grey, which is pretty annoying because your brush can do that. And you can't colour the whole picture either, but if there was a way to do that then i'd be thankfull if someone would tell me.

But surely if you take the time to crop the bottom half out, at least take the time to crop the top half. It's only a few more pixels up.

I don't really know what you mean, at all. Its like you expect me to know everything about pictures, while i'm really quite noobish.

what do you mean there's not enough room? as large as that blob is, you could REMOVE some to make the fire look like fire. and even if you added, there's plenty of room.

I can't make it too big. Otherwise, i can't prnt screen and copy and paste it into paint.

seriously. how do you not know wood is flammable?!

I forgot it was.

Anyway, i'll edit the picture now, but if someone could tell me how to do backgrounds and the stuff that i've asked i'd be thankfull.:)

EDIT: http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7990/shadfirekatanazx8.png

And if your wondering why its not very spiky: THERE IS NO ROOM.

And if your wondering why its not very spiky: THERE IS NO ROOM.yes there is. there's plenty of room.

yes there is. there's plenty of room.

Right. Okay, yes there is room. But what i'm trying to say though is that if i scroll up a bit and make it more spiky, i can't prnt screen it then because the whole picture is not in the screen.

Right. Okay, yes there is room. But what i'm trying to say though is that if i scroll up a bit and make it more spiky, i can't prnt screen it then because the whole picture is not in the screen.eh, just make it skinny fire. so it'll be a little stunted on top, it's ok. we understand why you're having the problem.

I've just tried out the resizer on image shack.

I'm waiting for it to load. I've just done a request, but the person who i've done it for is not on this forum, sorry.

What was the point in telling us that then? :p

goddamn resizer!

It won't load at all!:mad:

Requests will be a little delayed, folks.

Change the image attributes in Flash; you can make the size bigger.
Make it like, 800 x 600 or something. Then don't zoom in quite so far.

I forgot it was.

uhm... er...

uhm... er...

NO MORE POSTING ABOUT THE GODDAMN MISTAKE I DID ANY MORE!

I forgot. Kay? end of.

Oh and the requests will be delayed as i am having some problems.

Incidentally, you made a mistake with regards to wood and the flammability thereof. Just a heads up.

Just draw smaller pictures. That way you can fit more in.

NO MORE POSTING ABOUT THE GODDAMN MISTAKE I DID ANY MORE!

I forgot. Kay? end of.

Oh and the requests will be delayed as i am having some problems.

Well you could at least work on the (ash by now) flaming sword.
And I don't think you've been here long enough to pigbuster things.

Well, you can coat wood in an inflammable salt solution.
I know that from a job in pre-assembled house construction I once had.

Revising for exams and doing tons of homework sucks.:mad:

So, the requests might not come in 2 weeks.....

Good news though, Soon, i'm getting a scanner of my very own, (i'm not allowed to use my parents one) and i'm also getting a tablet.

Soon= 2 months or 1 month.

and i'm also getting a tablet.

What you're parents are just going to buy you a tablet? D:
Give it to me please.

What you're parents are just going to buy you a tablet? D:
Give it to me please.

Yeah.

I looked at Amazon and the most expensive tablet i saw as £75.00.

I also saw tablets about £60.00 and £39.99 and about £50.00, and at the moment i can afford the £39.99 one.

I have about £45.00 on my wallet, so i'm going to save up for one thats about £60.00.

And i'm not giving it to you.

And i'm not giving it to you.
You'll come around...

Oh good, because having an expsensive piece of drawing equipment will obviously improve your work and make it not suck.

Oh good, because having an expsensive piece of drawing equipment will obviously improve your work and make it not suck.

My work doesn't suck.....

does it?

Chances are i'll get my scanner sooner than i'll get my tablet, i saw one for about £40.00 in tesco's today so i'm getting that very soon.

What you're parents are just going to buy you a tablet? D:
Give it to me please.
You haven't gotten one yet? C'mon, even I have one, and I barely ever draw!

My work doesn't suck.....

does it?
That is one question that you should NEVER ask!

Yes. Especially if your work sucks.

You haven't gotten one yet? C'mon, even I have one, and I barely ever draw!

I'm poor :(

You haven't gotten one yet? C'mon, even I have one, and I barely ever draw!


That is one question that you should NEVER ask!

Why not? i mean, i'm curious now, because i believe that my art is good, and not bad at all.

McMaster did say to me the other day that i would be better than splapp if i add shading, but i doubt that is right because he's only 11 after all.

Mostly, i've been getting good comments about my art, and now i'm curious.

Mostly I think your art is of rather poor quality, yes.

Mostly I think your art is of rather poor quality, yes.

Why exactly? the shape of the worm is right, the hands are a little hard for me to do, and the only real issue that i think is the main problem now is the hands.

Well, your the first person thats said that to me so far, really.

Also, yes i have taken peoples advice, btw, i've tooken it very good. I've improved my worms a lot since the first picture i ever did, but i believe you said that and knew it was wrong.

I'm talking about you saying i hadn't took any advice in another forum, btw.

He has improved from his initial artwork. It's not amazing or anything, but there has been a noticeable improvement.

He has improved from his initial artwork. It's not amazing or anything, but there has been a noticeable improvement.

I'm perfectly aware that its not amazing, and it maybe would be better if i had fireworks, because then i could create special effects and my pictures would look better.

I might draw up a worm later, and post a pic of it here. And i'll draw it on paper.

I'll have to take a picture of it with my PSP go cam.

opinions will vary, shadowmoon, but your art isn't bad. it's not good, but it's not bad either. it's in the "I have no idea how to draw but I'm working on it" stage.

I'm perfectly aware that its not amazing, and it maybe would be better if i had fireworks, because then i could create special effects and my pictures would look better.incorrect. your art would actually look worse if you used fireworks. you need to first learn to draw the shape of a worm well and then you can move on to coloring well. fireworks would only help with the coloring (and help it does!).

I'm perfectly aware that its not amazing, and it maybe would be better if i had fireworks, because then i could create special effects and my pictures would look better.

Fireworks would by no means make your artwork better.

It's kind of hard to tell you how to improve because you aren't really doing anything wrong (hands aside). It just seems almost as if you don't have much of a sense of your own drawing style. It's hard to explain but if you look at other artists such as Slick or Philby4000, they have very recognisable art styles that are uniquely their own. Something that can't be replicated.

Fireworks would by no means make your artwork better.

It's kind of hard to tell you how to improve because you aren't really doing anything wrong (hands aside). It just seems almost as if you don't have much of a sense of your own drawing style. It's hard to explain but if you look at other artists such as Slick or Philby4000, they have very recognisable art styles that are uniquely their own. Something that can't be replicated.he's going through the same sort of thing I did, I think. he doesn't have really any idea of how to draw just the basic talents required for drawing, which makes for a confusing situation on both ends. he just needs to keep drawing and drawing and looking at other ways of drawing to replicate something the way he wants it drawn. it'll come with experience I think.

Fireworks would by no means make your artwork better.
It's kind of hard to tell you how to improve because you aren't really doing anything wrong (hands aside). It just seems almost as if you don't have much of a sense of your own drawing style. It's hard to explain but if you look at other artists such as Slick or Philby4000, they have very recognisable art styles that are uniquely their own. Something that can't be replicated.

I think it would be very hard to tell what you mean.

Anyway, i can't post a hand drawn pic today because i only have my crappy ink pens, which will smudge the whole picture. Tommorow, i'll get some pencils and tommorow i'll post an uncoloured pencil drawn version of my sigworm.

Also, i think i'll be able to do the hands better with a pencil too.

incorrect. your art would actually look worse if you used fireworks. you need to first learn to draw the shape of a worm well and then you can move on to coloring well. fireworks would only help with the coloring (and help it does!).

Are the heads too square?

or is it the tails?

Are the heads too square?

or is it the tails?if we're talking specifics here the whole thing is too square. even the curves are too square :p the whole thing feels very mechanical rather than living. like it was assembled out of basic tools rather than put together with attention to detail.

which is exactly the case here.

you're using tools to make up for the fact that you haven't quite gotten a handle on drawing for yourself quite yet (which isn't by any means a problem). that makes your worms look generic. the way to fix this is to draw in a style all your own using tools you understand and are completely comfortable with. doing so is impossible at the moment but it's something you should definitely begin to strive towards (you'll improve with time but only if you try, basically). experiment with different shapes using the tools you know how to use. if you like the line tool go look at Oft's art to see how to make an angular worm look good. if you're into curvey worms, look at my style or go back in the archives for HK or Saffya for even better examples. you seem to like the tall style so perhaps you should start by looking at Paul or Munkee's work and see how they did things and then put your own spin on it.

experiment.

What I'm saying is you don't have a style as such. As Aku said your worms look generic and don't really reflect yourself, with regards to the style you seem to be trying to create.

My advice would be to draw some hand drawn ones. Obviously, as you say you can't scan them in. But that would be the best way for you to come to terms with your drawing style. Practice doing that for a bit and look at other artists' work. It helps it really does. Then go on to using flash and such. I'm still doing that because I'm not fully happy with the style that I draw in yet. Only when I am satisfied with my hand drawn worms, then will I move on to using CAD (I need to buy a bloody tablet first of course).

The mistake most people seem to make, as I'm sure you know from Squirminator's thread a while ago is that people tend to go for the big flashy in-your-face programs first rather than starting with the basics and coming to terms with that.

Why not? i mean, i'm curious now, because i believe that my art is good, and not bad at all.
How about I say 'you're wrong' and leave it at that.

Why exactly?
Well, using your last picture (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=650635&postcount=286) as a reference:
1: The entire worm is too square.
2: The tails are too thin.
3: The tails are too short.
4: The tails aren't curved properly.
5: The lines are sketchy.
6: The eyebrows aren't round enough.
7: The head is badly shaped.
8: The T-shirt doesn't have a curved collar
9: The crease at the tail is too big.
10: The overbite is either too thin or too long.
11: The eyes still aren't lung-shaped enough.
12: The hand is too far away from the worm.
13: The blade on the sword is too... un-sword like.
14: The fire is COMPELTELY un-fire like.
15: The hand isn't circular enough.
16: The handle of the sword is far too big.
17: The handle of the sword is far too square too.
18: Oh, and the S on the shirt is badly drawn.

And that's just about everything that needs improvement, I think. I hardly expect you to be able to improve on most of these anytime soon though, mainly because it'd be really hard to do so; but you asked, and I answered.

How about I say 'you're wrong' and leave it at that.


Well, using your last picture (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=650635&postcount=286) as a reference:
1: The entire worm is too square.
2: The tails are too thin.
3: The tails are too short.
4: The tails aren't curved properly.
5: The lines are sketchy.
6: The eyebrows aren't round enough.
7: The head is badly shaped.
8: The T-shirt doesn't have a curved collar
9: The crease at the tail is too big.
10: The overbite is either too thin or too long.
11: The eyes still aren't lung-shaped enough.
12: The hand is too far away from the worm.
13: The blade on the sword is too... un-sword like.
14: The fire is COMPELTELY un-fire like.
15: The hand isn't circular enough.
16: The handle of the sword is far too big.
17: The handle of the sword is far too square too.
18: Oh, and the S on the shirt is badly drawn.

And that's just about everything that needs improvement, I think. I hardly expect you to be able to improve on most of these anytime soon though, mainly because it'd be really hard to do so; but you asked, and I answered.

Right.... kay.....

Now here's what i'll do....

Go and have a look at a load of art threads. And by loads, i mean 20.

I should avoid Agent lukes though, should i?

I should avoid Agent lukes though, should i?
I wouldn't. It's a good example of what not to do.

Now here's what i'll do....

Go and have a look at a load of art threads. And by loads, i mean 20.
Pay attention to threads by Splapp and Slick and the like. Your goal is to make your drawings as high a standard as theirs.

And if your wondering why its not very spiky: THERE IS NO ROOM.

You're making art on a computer. There's no such thing as running out of room.

Though you're exporting pictures in a weird way that makes no sense. That might be your problem.

Also, when i try pasting s_frea's picture, which looks big in flash, it comes out small in paint. Also for some odd reason you can't upload flash documents.

It looks like I've gotta tutorial up the joint. *ahem*


PIGBUSTER'S KAH-RAY-ZAY FLASH IMAGE EXPORTING TUTORIAL

1) Don't pay any mind to the documents initial size. Go crazy! Go outside the boundaries! They can't hold you back! As I said, there's no limit to how much room you can use!


2) Go to File > Export > Export Image...
This is a far better way to export a picture. You shouldn't have to use Paint for this. That's silly.
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2925/tut01uj3.png


3) The save dialogue comes up. Make sure that the format is set to PNG. After that, click "Save".
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3112/tut02zd8.png


4) Oh no! There's more! Now, make sure that your dialogue looks EXACTLY LIKE THE PICTURE BELOW.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9323/tut03oq6.png

• "Include" should be set to "Minimum Image Area". (This crops the image so it contains your entire picture. This is why you need not worry about boundaries.)
• "Colors" should be set to "24 bit", NOT "24 bit with alpha channel". (You WOULD use "with alpha channel" if you want the background to be transparent instead of white.)
• "Filter" should be "None".

Then, hit "OK" and you have a full-sized, cropped picture, without the need for paint at all!

Now, if you want to RESIZE your picture, then... see the "Resolution: [72] dpi" thingy? Well, all you have to do is make that number smaller.
For instance, if you make it [36], then the picture will be half as big, since 36 is half as big as 72.

THERE YA GO.

It's about time somebody said that.

I was getting sick of hearing the too big stuff, but I don't own flash. I knew there was an export button somewhere.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

I'll post a pencil drawn pic today, and improve my sigworm. And maybe get 1 request done.

Just tried it, and it works! thanks a lot, i'll post some requests later now that i've figured that out!

EDIT: Was bored, and drew a pic in the style of Paul.Power.....

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/738/paulpowervsshadowmooneg9.png

I think it came out pretty well! and is the colour of the sword more swordly?

Deviantart link (http://shadowmoon12.deviantart.com/)

I.....III.... need a request

me :)






:(

Ok. So i got 6 requests.....

This is the Que..... i'll decide what order i'll do the requests in.....

1. Poninja- In the works right now

2. Super_frea

3. Plasma

4. Futureworm

5. Kelster23

6. .Jet

.Jet is last because he is the hardest sigworm to do out of all of these.;)

Nice improvements, I do say...
Makes me wish I still had Flash so I could maybe re-open my art thread...

I think it came out pretty well! and is the colour of the sword more swordly?

Deviantart link (http://shadowmoon12.deviantart.com/)

Colour=Fine.

I bet that blood is Paul's with all of that holding a blade business.

EDIT: Was bored, and drew a pic in the style of Paul.Power.....

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/738/paulpowervsshadowmooneg9.png

I think it came out pretty well! and is the colour of the sword more swordly?

Deviantart link (http://shadowmoon12.deviantart.com/)that's actually rather good. you should definitely work off of that style for your own stuff, me thinks.

EDIT: Was bored, and drew a pic in the style of Paul.Power.....

I think it came out pretty well! and is the colour of the sword more swordly?

Deviantart link (http://shadowmoon12.deviantart.com/)
For some reason I really like that. I think the image of yourself is much better than Paul however. Not quite sure why. Maybe because it's like Paul's style but you've put your own twist on it. Good job!

I agree with everyone else, that is pretty good. I think Super is right, you come out better than Paul for some reason.

If I were to quote Strong Bad, I'd use one of his drawings which fits the context entirely; "The S is for Sucks".

However, practice hard enough and you'll get there.

Just don't ever look at my early work, ever. For my sanity's sake.

Colour=Fine.

I bet that blood is Paul's with all of that holding a blade business.

Actually, i keep getting sword mixed up with dagger. He's holding a dagger.

My computer lost internet connection yesterday and i'm typing this from my PSP, and there might not be any pictures for a few days.

I hate internet connection failures.

For some reason I really like that. I think the image of yourself is much better than Paul however. Not quite sure why. Maybe because it's like Paul's style but you've put your own twist on it. Good job!

Probably because paul has a bigger head.

He's supposed to be a professor, and professors have big brains, so that could be why his head is bigger.....

Probably because paul has a bigger head.
No, they seem to have the same sized heads. However, Shadowman's eyes and tail are bigger than Pauls, and look better.

Also, always put a visible handle on blade weapons.

Probably because paul has a bigger head.

He's supposed to be a professor, and professors have big brains, so that could be why his head is bigger.....

No it's not that. Everything is just generally a better shape.
And as Plasma said the tail looks better longer.

If I were to quote Strong Bad, I'd use one of his drawings which fits the context entirely; "The S is for Sucks".

However, practice hard enough and you'll get there.

Just don't ever look at my early work, ever. For my sanity's sake.

heh heh, didn't see this post.

Actually, you'd be better off using agent lukes art, robo.

Or crashes art or wormboys.

I personally think you should create your own style, not rip off Paul's.

Hell, most people rip off the official Team17 style. I say he should go with it. :p

It's not like his style won't change over time (Unless, of course, it doesn't).

I personally think you should create your own style, not rip off Paul's.

well really i was just experimenting. Thats it, really.

I don't know if i'll do a style based on 3D worms or pauls.

I don't know if i'll do a style based on 3D worms or pauls.
Are they your only options?
You should experiment more man!

Hell, most people rip off the official Team17 style. I say he should go with it. :p

It's not like his style won't change over time (Unless, of course, it doesn't).

Well, yeah, but Paul's is pretty original. And has it yet?

Are they your only options?
You should experiment more man!

its not easy when your connections busted and you have to use your neighbours connection using your PSP..........

its not easy when your connections busted and you have to use your neighbours connection using your PSP..........
Wait, do you mean your connection to an electricity supply, or am I missing something?

Nope I think he means the internet. Which doesn't make sense because that doesn't stop you creating artwork, it just means you won't be able to post it.

Edit: And I didn't mean you have to do it immediately anyway :-/

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7678/dsc00309tg3.jpg

pencil drawn pic of my sigworm.

The pencil smudged it up a bit.

I wish i had a scanner........

EDIT: Image link fixed

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7678/dsc00309tg3.jpg

pencil drawn pic of my sigworm.

The pencil smudged it up a bit.

I wish i had a scanner........

EDIT: Image link fixed
Who's Shad?:p That's nice too anyway.:)

Who's Shad?:p That's nice too anyway.:)

Shad, is a nickname for Shadowmoon.

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5483/shadfirekat2uu7.png

my sig in the style of paul.power.....

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7678/dsc00309tg3.jpg

pencil drawn pic of my sigworm.

The pencil smudged it up a bit.

I wish i had a scanner........

EDIT: Image link fixed

Well, that kinda nulls your theory about pencil drawing being way easier than PC drawing and that it gives much better results.

And btw, fire is yellow inside, red outside. Not the other way around.

Ok a few little things; that hand is positioned wrong it should be the other way round, the right eye should be in front of the left considering the way he is facing and you really need to work on the fire it kind of looks like a clown hairstyle more than anything.

The fire and eye comments also apply to the P.P pic, but I was mainly focusing on the hand drawn one.

Ok a few little things; that hand is positioned wrong it should be the other way round, the right eye should be in front of the left considering the way he is facing and you really need to work on the fire it kind of looks like a clown hairstyle more than anything.

The fire and eye comments also apply to the P.P pic, but I was mainly focusing on the hand drawn one.

Okay. Also, your in the works and so is poninja. I've also invented a new type of tail, which is what i'll stay with.

Well, that kinda nulls your theory about pencil drawing being way easier than PC drawing and that it gives much better results.

And btw, fire is yellow inside, red outside. Not the other way around.

1. I rushed it which was foolish
2. It would look better scanned
3. It was took with my PSP go cam, its not the best of camera's.

And thanks for telling me that. I thought something was wrong with the fire.

2. It would look better scanned
3. It was took with my PSP go cam, its not the best of camera's.
A bad craftsman blames his equipment.
An even worse craftsman blames the equipment that barely has an effect at all.

A bad craftsman blames his equipment.
An even worse craftsman blames the equipment that barely has an effect at all.

Ignore that stupid statement it is stupid.

Also, the PSP camera isn't very good, so its right to blame that.

And the scanner would make it look better.:p

But camera quality only affects quality pictures, with color and detail. I don't see how a sketch can be worse because the camera is bad.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2623/fkshad160gv6.png

And the new type of tail will stay for the time being........

GOOD LORD THAT PICTURE IS MASSIVE!
Can you make it smaller?

GOOD LORD THAT PICTURE IS MASSIVE!
Can you make it smaller?

Maybe he wants us to point out everything so he can improve vastly!:D

But yeah, shrink it.

I have yet to see a real sword with a handler as big as the blade... Even better if it's on fire.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3691/thumbsupsu6.png

a good thumbs up hand?

and i'll put the pic on a link, and make the blade of the previous pic smaller.......

Yes good thumbs up hand! (Y)

I was actually capable of doing a hand like that all along.

I'm just stuck on what a fist or holding something hand would look like.

And the new type of tail will stay for the time being........
...which is a bad thing, considering that it's the worst part of the worm.
Also, you seem to have trouble grasping that the handle of the sword should just about be bigger than the hand.
(no pun intended there)

...which is a bad thing, considering that it's the worst part of the worm.
Also, you seem to have trouble grasping that the handle of the sword should just about be bigger than the hand.
(no pun intended there)

Longer at least.

Hey! You're getting the hang of hands... Now, try an open hand, or some hands in any position on the same picture.

If you feel like it, try it from different points of view.

Practice makes perfect.

That new type of tail is amazingly bad. I'm not usually that to-the-point, but it looks like you're trying to make a rectangle with a head poo* before our very eyes.
What ever happened to looking at other peoples' art and learning from it?
Also, you're still doing that thing with the eyes.

*For lack of a better word.

the shape of the tail is fine but it looks severely deflated. tis too thin, me thinks.

also, katanas don't curve that much. if that's supposed to be a sword rather than a sickle, you've got the shape horribly wrong.

We posted about the same time, Aku.

Also, I made a little doodle of how to draw three types of swords. Yours looks more like an Arabian Scimitar, which is the one on the left. These swords are so you can see a sword's correct proportion, so I must stress that they are only proportional to themselves, not each other. Quite obviously a rapier is smaller than a claymore.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7465/howtodrawafreakingswordul7.png

your rapier's a tad thick :p it's also at much more of an angle than the normal rapier. they tend to be straight. :p

your rapier's a tad thick :p it's also at much more of an angle than the normal rapier. they tend to be straight. :p

Well, considering they took about 2 minutes of looking back and forth at a reference, I don't expect them to be Picasso.

I was really mostly going for the scimitar :p

I was really mostly going for the scimitar :pwhich you curved to be more similar to a Dao as opposed to a Scimitar....:p

which you curved to be more similar to a Dao as opposed to a Scimitar....:p

Well... yeah.

You've got to admit it's better than that deflated dealie majig though.

Okay, i'll try and copy an artists tail, or stick to my old one, the first one i did, which was splapps type of tail.

And i'll make the sword straighter too.

Does anyone like my new avatar? i quite like it.

i bring you, shads hands!

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1079/shadhandscollectionzj0.png

The "Hi" hand looks terrible. Use this instead:
31421

That Shad thing is confusing to me because I made an avatar for a guy named Shad a long time ago and I keep thinking you are him D:

Well... yeah.

You've got to admit it's better than that deflated dealie majig though.yes, yes, I just felt like being a pedantic ******* :p

yes, yes, I just felt like being a pedantic ******* :p

That's why I love you.


Also, ShadowMoon, try drawing a little outline first, using circles as joints, then draw the hand around that.

That's why I love you.*sniff* *sniff* I smell sarcasm

Also, ShadowMoon, try drawing a little outline first, using circles as joints, then draw the hand around that.that's never once worked for me. I tend to need to actually look at my own fingers and just imagine them fat and missing a joint :p

what I can suggest is make sure you're using a sort of circle as your palm. a rounded rectangle would also work, but basing a hand on a well-defined standard shape will ensure you don't get the palm-the-width-of-a-finger thing that you got on that last one, shad.

thats all good stuff, but i got a question. cant u do a drawing in pencil and scan it to the computer and make it look nice and then post it?

thats all good stuff, but i got a question. cant u do a drawing in pencil and scan it to the computer and make it look nice and then post it?obviously not considering he hasn't yet....

Here's (http://www.gooogIe.co.uk/?gid=213682&hl=en&meta=o&q=Shadowmoon%20can%20draw) an interesting thing.

Practice drawing hands gripping objects. Look at you own hand as a reference.

Here's (http://www.gooogIe.co.uk/?gid=213682&hl=en&meta=o&q=Shadowmoon%20can%20draw) an interesting thing.

Practice drawing hands gripping objects. Look at you own hand as a reference.

Hilarious...

Anyway, I entered this thread thinking it was Shadowman's art thread...sorry.....bye

better (http://www.gooogIe.co.uk/?gid=213686&hl=en&meta=o&q=funny%20jokes)

Hilarious...

Anyway, I entered this thread thinking it was Shadowman's art thread...sorry.....bye

Actually, if you look at shadowmans art thread, you'll find that it isn't great either.

And robowurmz you can't draw any better than me. I know it was a joke and all but its also pretty nasty.

Actually, if you look at shadowmans art thread, you'll find that it isn't great either.

And robowurmz you can't draw any better than me. I know it was a joke and all but its also pretty nasty.

I didn't say it was greater, I was only searching for his art thread
If I'd only check the great threads I would find myself looking at 2 threads for day. And I wouldn't be able to enter in my own thread too

That Shad thing is confusing to me because I made an avatar for a guy named Shad a long time ago and I keep thinking you are him D:

Its a nickname that i quite like been called.

only a few people call me that.

Anyway,

more pics coming soon. Not so soon though because of school.

Its a nickname that i quite like been called.

only a few people call me that.

I've never seen anyone calling you that.

I've never seen anyone calling you that.

Basti@n, McMaster, Pieman, Hackerman, yauhui, and many others on other forums.

I prefer it to shadowmoon, for some reason. I have been called a lot of nicknames, y'know.

I've noticed you change your signature a lot too.
I do that as well. MAYBE IT'S A SIGN!

Edit: Sorry for spamming your thread up...

I've noticed you change your signature a lot too.
I do that as well. MAYBE IT'S A SIGN!

Edit: Sorry for spamming your thread up...

Maybe you guys are soulmates

I've noticed you change your signature a lot too.
I do that as well. MAYBE IT'S A SIGN!

Edit: Sorry for spamming your thread up...

You should know by now that i don't stick to a decision i make. I'm more likely to change my mind later.

I'll break the record for the member who changes his avatar and sig the most sooner or later.

Also, does anyone like my new avvy? is it better than the other flash sigworm avatar i had?

Actually, if you look at shadowmans art thread, you'll find that it isn't great either.

And robowurmz you can't draw any better than me. I know it was a joke and all but its also pretty nasty.

Hey, I resent that.

Though I didn't really respect the seniors when I was eleven, I went from THIS
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/5559/attachment7a3515dfix6.png
to THIS with their help and sometimes blatant insults.
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2561/image7a36d755vm1.png

Maybe you should start paying attention to other people's criticism and attempt to get better instead of insulting someone that has been trying for years.

I have. I've tooken a lot of it actually.

It took you a long time to get a big improvement. It took me FEW months to get a big improvement.

Nope, i'm not showing off here, just telling you.

I've got a way to improve yet, but so have you.

Looks like you're on top of a giant Pyramid Worm :confused:

And yeah, Shadowguy said everything. You ask if people like your art and stuf but most of the times someone say they don't you go mad and start to give excuses for the errors or say that the art of the critic is not that better. So what's the point in asking other people opinion then?

How i draw how i draw?

Practice. Pure practice. Not even a single piece of constructive criticism. Yes, i will say and pretend that i have never got any criticism. In fact, if i did, i never listened. I just drew. In fact, i have been drawing roughly every single day since around the age 5 to the age 14, now. When i started, it might not have been on so regular a basis. But since i drew so much, i became better and better. The only thing i'm good at in my life, and i mean only, is drawing.

Just wanted to say that. I actually envy you, seeing as you can improve so vastly, and i can only become good in 9 years.

Here, have a piece of art. (Working)

I draw since 4 and still suck :(

I have. I've tooken a lot of it actually.

It took you a long time to get a big improvement. It took me FEW months to get a big improvement.

Nope, i'm not showing off here, just telling you.

I've got a way to improve yet, but so have you.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to get critical here. Shadowman has made a massive improvement from his original artwork. I had no idea that his artwork was that bad to begin with (no offense :p) which makes the improvement all the more remarkable. He's found his style and knows his own capabilities something that you are yet to grasp. You haven't even found your own style yet pal, so don't get all up yourself. It's a noticeable improvement, as is every improvement. But it's not a massive one.

I draw since 4 and still suck :(

But constantly, and regularly like me? As i practiced, i only made sure that i got some certain techniques and stuff, how to do this and that.

i'm going to say it for the last time now. I HAVE made big improvement.

the person who really helped me, is...... yauhui. He showed me splapps tutorial in the first place, which really helped me.

i really owe him a big thank you.

In fact, i owe all of you a big thanks. Now when robowurmz showed me that link, i was ****ed off honestly.

Although i'd highly appreciate it if you wouldn't talk about my overreactions in MY art thread. Thanks, and have a good day.

i'm going to say it for the last time now. I HAVE made big improvement.

That is a prime example of what annoys me most about you. YOU DON'T FRIGGIN' LISTEN! You have made a improvement yes that is indubitable. But I really don't think you're in a position to say how big that improvement is. I think you need a bit of head deflation.

But constantly, and regularly like me? As i practiced, i only made sure that i got some certain techniques and stuff, how to do this and that.
Yes, I draw all the time. In fact I'm drawing right now for about 6 hours...
I don't think my art is bad but I kindda don't like it too much :p


i'm going to say it for the last time now. I HAVE made big improvement.

the person who really helped me, is...... yauhui. He showed me splapps tutorial in the first place, which really helped me.

i really owe him a big thank you.

Now when robowurmz showed me that link, i was ****ed off honestly.

Although i'd highly appreciate it if you wouldn't talk about my overreactions in MY art thread. Thanks, and have a good day.
OK, do as you like champ...
Kirby supports you to the end! d('-'d)

Yes, I draw all the time. In fact I'm drawing right now for about 6 hours...
I don't think my art is bad but I kindda don't like it too much :p

I don't think it's bad. I think it's pretty good though, after seeing pyramid's slaughterhouse. But there's this thing about the sketchyness of flash, and to be honest i don't think it suits you well. You should get a scanner and scribble on some paper :P

For shad! Because i support him, actually. Also, the outline on the worm is bad. I tried out line tool. (http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4163/forshadmw5.png)

I don't think it's bad. I think it's pretty good though, after seeing pyramid's slaughterhouse. But there's this thing about the sketchyness of flash, and to be honest i don't think it suits you well. You should get a scanner and scribble on some paper :P

For shad! Because i support him, actually. Also, the outline on the worm is bad. I tried out line tool. (http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4163/forshadmw5.png)

Yeah, I hate drawing on pc since my mouse is not that great and I enjoy drawing on paper...the thing is, my scanner is f****d up so even that I do alot of worms fanart (and I do) I can't post in here...
But, soon as I get this piece of crap fixed I'll be finally able to post some paper draw
It will be like a dream that becomes true!

I will look forward to it.

Just clicked what aku said.

Kay, maybe i'm not great at making people laugh, and i don't think i will be considering i don't have a good sense of humour, as i've been told.

@ Pyramid: Your lifes dream is to scan a worms picture and post it here?

Anyway, i'll stop moaning and listen to you more. And i'll check out the jetsters link now.

cool pic! this week, i'm going to try out worms in some members style, requests will be put on hold also, because i need to get my own style.

Yes it is...
My life is boring and grey

Just clicked what aku said.

Kay, maybe i'm not great at making people laugh, and i don't think i will be considering i don't have a good sense of humour, as i've been told.you misunderstood the jibe. I was making fun of robowurmz for his HORRIBLE attempt at being funny. I mean, I'm all for making fun of people, but his "insult" was about as lame as they get.

i'm going to say it for the last time now. I HAVE made big improvement.3 things wrong with this statement:

1. if you have to inform others of how big an improvement you've made, you've not made that big an improvement.

2. you've not made that big an improvement.

3. if you're so into yourself you're going to tell others how great you are, it doesn't matter how big an improvement you've made, you'll always be an ass hat. lose the attitude and accept criticisms and we might actually get somewhere in this thread.

i'm going to say it for the last time now. I HAVE made big improvement.
I say that every June... then I look at last June's work and say "heh...heh... I sucked..."

I assumed you were aiming that at me, because of what i did a while ago that got me BW.

OFFTOPIC: Remember McMaster? i advised him to come back to T17 official, and he's improved since his last pic. He's my friend from another forum who is coming back soon.

And i'll lose the attitude. Also, i do improve fast, which i find really weird.

Looking at a pic of poninjas, i've figured out how to do the fire.

Is that because of Flash?

Also I've just returned. :eek:

Shadowmoon, as I have told you, you improved a lot. Don't believe the others who say you didn't. You did a great job, compared to your first pic with Basti@n...

Anyway, this first pic that you drew with Basti@n made me laugh... :D

Hey McMaster! good to see you!

poninjas fire had bits sticking out everywhere. Its in the pic he drew that i requested.

I believe i have improved a lot, just like you and Bas and yauhui have said.

Also, everytime i see the basti@n pic, i think it sucks.

Yes, it's tail was weird in your first pic, but at least it made me laugh. :p

I say that every June... then I look at last June's work and say "heh...heh... I sucked..."

Here's my 2005 work:

http://forum.team17.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=20510&stc=1&d=1112706077
(GOOD LORD HE'S UGLY)
In comparison to now. See it still needs improvements. I tend to look at my art and think "what's wrong with this picture?" rather than "THIS PICTR IS AMAZING BOW DOWN TO ME!" That way I can improve.
http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs8/300W/i/2005/354/8/a/Psyke_AGAIN_by_SuperFrea.png

It is an inevitability that we all improve. But Shadowmoon you shouldn't be the one telling yourself that, because that makes you irritating as hell. You should wait for others like McMaster to say it. Otherwise it seems like you've got your head shoved so far up your own ass you can bite your own tonsils.

And i'll lose the attitude. Also, i do improve fast, which i find really weird.

You just don't listen, do you?

Oh, also Shadowmoon, I forgot to tell you that in your last picture, you made the eyebrows a little too big.

But still quite good. ;)

Oh, also Shadowmoon, I forgot to tell you that in your last picture, you made the eyebrows a little too big.

But still quite good. ;)

Thanks.

You just don't listen, do you?

I'm sorry, but i don't understand the message in this post.:-/

Remember that people have their own opinions though.

Yes, it's tail was weird in your first pic, but at least it made me laugh

I can't believe i drew that.

The shock shaped worms made me laugh too.:D

You should wait for others like McMaster to say it.

McMaster said it in another forum. He's one of my friends from this forum and another.

Basti@n and yauhui think the same too.

McMaster said it in another forum. He's one of my friends from this forum and another.

Basti@n and yauhui think the same too.
Exactly.
You don't need to say it yourself then because you sound, in the words of Aku, like an 'Ass Hat'.

Well at least i have proof that he said it.:)

The next picture will be a plain worm, with the usual parts. I'm testing for new styles here.

the fat 2004 (R not in here) worms ar ugly and pink that drew

the idiot-shaped 2008 look horrible

I'm sorry, but i don't understand the message in this post.:-/

Remember that people have their own opinions though.the point was that in the sentence he quoted you said you'd improve yourself by losing the attitude just before saying that you still think we're all wrong. basically you said you'd listen to us in the same sentence that you showed us that you weren't listening at all.

McMaster said it in another forum. He's one of my friends from this forum and another.

Basti@n and yauhui think the same too.ok, so one friend says that your art is really good while about 10 others say it's not that great. friends are biased towards you and will often make something sound nicer than what they really feel in order to make you feel better. I'm sure mcmaster likes your art about as much as the rest of us do, he's just being nicer than we are because you're his friend.

and basti@n and yauhui are hardly good examples of people from which you want to get critiques :p

Well at least i have proof that he said it.:)that's irrelevant. we don't care whether he actually said it or not, we care that you're tooting your own horn, making yourself sound like an egotistical ass hat :p

the fat 2004 (R not in here) worms ar ugly and pink that drew

the idiot-shaped 2008 look horribleyes, and the crow that flies in the custard of life has sporked the cheese fat before apotheosis. AGREEMENT!

Judge how much you've improved once a year.
Then laugh at yourself for doing it. :(
Hanging them up on the wall is an excellent reminder...

I believe that my art has improved a lot. Look at this post and tell me i'm an asshead. Go on. It will be very abysmal, i'm telling you. People can have their own opinions, surely? if i think my art has improved a lot i can think that, there is no reason that i can't. McMaster may be saying it to be nice, but i believe he's honest.

I believe that my art has improved a lot. Look at this post and tell me i'm an asshead. Go on. It will be very abysmal, i'm telling you. People can have their own opinions, surely? if i think my art has improved a lot i can think that, there is no reason that i can't. McMaster may be saying it to be nice, but i believe he's honest.
No what I'm saying is that you shouldn't be saying how much you've improved. Because it makes you sound like a pedantic ass hat. Which is how you are coming across. Nobody likes a show-off my friend.

My art is the best in the world. And i am the best artist in the forum.

Thats a show off.

saying: My art has improved a lot, is not been a show off. Its nowhere near a show off. If you think that then your defenition of show off is highly innaccurate, i'm afraid

No it isn't. Saying "I've made a big improvement" is showing off. There's no two ways about it.


I'm afraid...

No it isn't. Saying "I've made a big improvement" is showing off. There's no two ways about it.


I'm afraid...

well i have a different definition of show off.

Aku said: how do you think your doing? your the artist here.

All i did was tell people what i thought.

Maybe you should start paying attention to other people's criticism and attempt to get better instead of insulting someone that has been trying for years.

And yeah, Shadowguy said everything. You ask if people like your art and stuf but most of the times someone say they don't you go mad and start to give excuses for the errors or say that the art of the critic is not that better. So what's the point in asking other people opinion then?
I'm afraid I'm going to have to get critical here. Shadowman has made a massive improvement from his original artwork. I had no idea that his artwork was that bad to begin with (no offense :p) which makes the improvement all the more remarkable. He's found his style and knows his own capabilities something that you are yet to grasp. You haven't even found your own style yet pal, so don't get all up yourself. It's a noticeable improvement, as is every improvement. But it's not a massive one.
That is a prime example of what annoys me most about you. YOU DON'T FRIGGIN' LISTEN! You have made a improvement yes that is indubitable. But I really don't think you're in a position to say how big that improvement is. I think you need a bit of head deflation.

1. if you have to inform others of how big an improvement you've made, you've not made that big an improvement.

2. you've not made that big an improvement.

3. if you're so into yourself you're going to tell others how great you are, it doesn't matter how big an improvement you've made, you'll always be an ass hat. lose the attitude and accept criticisms and we might actually get somewhere in this thread.

It is an inevitability that we all improve. But Shadowmoon you shouldn't be the one telling yourself that, because that makes you irritating as hell. You should wait for others like McMaster to say it. Otherwise it seems like you've got your head shoved so far up your own ass you can bite your own tonsils.
You just don't listen, do you?
the point was that in the sentence he quoted you said you'd improve yourself by losing the attitude just before saying that you still think we're all wrong. basically you said you'd listen to us in the same sentence that you showed us that you weren't listening at all.

ok, so one friend says that your art is really good while about 10 others say it's not that great. friends are biased towards you and will often make something sound nicer than what they really feel in order to make you feel better. I'm sure mcmaster likes your art about as much as the rest of us do, he's just being nicer than we are because you're his friend.

and basti@n and yauhui are hardly good examples of people from which you want to get critiques :p

that's irrelevant. we don't care whether he actually said it or not, we care that you're tooting your own horn, making yourself sound like an egotistical ass hat :p

I love it when you listen ^_^

And i did. I've listened. All i did was tell people what i thought......

sheeesh you can't have your own opinions here can you.....

And i did. I've listened. All i did was tell people what i thought......

sheeesh you can't have your own opinions here can you.....that's not the point. we don't care whether or not you think you've improved. I've thought my art was awesome from the beginning but I didn't spread it around because I knew I was likely wrong. looking back on it now, I was DEFINITELY wrong. I think my art right now is great too, but I won't say it for the same reason. I'm sure in a year I'll look back and say "wow, that was horrible!"

the point is that shameless self promotion is really annoying. it makes you look like an egotistical ass hat. how many times do I have to say exactly this same statement before it sinks in?

Shadowmoon, what I say now has no bearing on what I think of you as a person and is entirely relating to your art:

Your art is awful. You're under the mistaken impression that you are somehow improving, but the only thing that has changed if that your art is antialiased... and that's not even something you've done. That's to do with the software you're using. I would recommend practicing a lot... a lot... and then coming back to the FanArt Forum when your art has improved. Posting art here isn't going to improve you because people are not interested in posting serious, genuine criticism. They are too interested in patting each other on the back for their shoddy MSPaint work.

Go away, practice elsewhere, come back when you have actually improved. There are a ton of places online where you can pick up tips to improve your art, but there is no tip better than "Practice Makes Perfect".

I'm sorry, but my art is not awful at all.

McMaster has already told you to stop posting bam hammer creamy posts. I know my art isn't amazing, but it certainly aint awfull.

Then McMaster is backseat-modding, and that's not his place. I'm telling you right now that your art is diabolical. It's truly bad. You need a lot of practice.

S2K, please STOP THIS CRAP! Give your REAL rating to Shadowmoon, DON'T downgrade it because you hate him!

OK, his art is not the best, but it is definitely NOT awful.

Or either you downgrade his rating because you hate him, or you are blind. If you are not, then LOOK at those instructions:

1. Check Shadowmoon's first pic. (it is posted in the first post of this thread)

2. Check newer and newer pics, up to his last one.

3. FREAKIN' UNDERSTAND HE HAS IMPROVED!

If you're giving fake ratings, please just stop commenting to his art.

(the word "diabolical" made me laugh :p)

Right fine think that then.

I honestly believe your saying that because you don't like me, as i'm perfectly aware. If you did like me, would you change your opinion?

just curious.

I'm sorry, but my art is not awful at all.ok, screw the niceness. you're not listening.

yes, it is. your art is complete and total ****. you have no concept of even where to begin in drawing, much less drawing worms. you can't even get the basic jobs of perspective, shading or shape right much less actually getting the areas of detail correct even in the slightest. half the time you put the hands on backwards and the other half the thumb is on the wrong side. the eyes are shaped and sized like some sort of mutant fish...thing....seriously, it's pretty damn sad when you're so completely lacking in talent you can't even draw a flame. that's unbearably pathetic. most 5 year olds have a better concept of drawing fire than the spikey blob you tried to pass off as legitimate art. the swords.....god.....the swords are damn near bad enough to make my eyes actually hurt to look at them. seriously. you draw them (and nearly everything else) like an inept 5 year old. have you ever even SEEN a friggin sword? seriously? ever?

and as for your "friends" who continuously kiss your ass? they're either full of **** or just flat out lying. your art isn't good. hell, it's not even decent. you draw slightly better than poninja and most of that is because you don't use gradients. yauhui and basti@n have the collective artist ability of the average sponge and equal ability to express themselves coherently. now, mcmaster seems to be sensible enough with what little I've seen him posting since his return, but before he left he was just as bad, so I don't know what to think on that end. if youthink you're so awesome, go to an art forum. from what I've seen ConceptArt.org seems like a pretty good place though I've not spent much time looking at their forum. if you think your art is so good go talk to any given person over there and see what they say. maybe even try getting mcmaster to join you so your professional art critic can tell them all how wrong their opinions are.

in closing, if you're going to keep posting this eye-bleeding horse manure you're passing off as art then start opening your ears and stop pretending to be god's gift to artistic talent when you have none. if you're going to be mr rebellious teen and tell us all how cool you are and how much you know then let us know at least so that we can all unsubscribe to and ignore this waste of time. I'm sure you'll be happier with all the other neanderthal nit-wits telling you how awesome you are.

edit: and before you whine about how we don't like you, blah blah blah: I don't mind you. I'm neutral to you in all ways. you have your irritating personality quirks, but I can definitely see potential in you to become a good person and an enjoyable forumer here. unfortunately, your head is shoved so far up your own ass right now you could give yourself a root canal. until you learn to quit being an overbearing egotistical jack ass to everyone other than yourself and the clone herd you carry around to boost your fragile self esteem then you're going to MAKE everyone hate you. you say you're getting picked on in school? welll this is why. you're an insufferable jack ass who is impossible to like no matter how hard everyone tries. the only people who are going to like you are those who are either too stupid to understand the difference or too stupid to make their own opinions about life. you want to change that? you want to stop being picked on? you want to actually make friends in whom you can place trust? then listen to people when they try to help you for no reason other than to help you improve yourself. if you can't do that then go hide in a closet somewhere and cut yourself until the world stops being mean.

Now, that was a good post! :D

S2K, please STOP THIS CRAP! Give your REAL rating to Shadowmoon, DON'T downgrade it because you hate him!
Alright.

OK, his art is not the best, but it is definitely NOT awful.
It most definitely is.

Or either you downgrade his rating because you hate him, or you are blind. If you are not, then LOOK at those instructions:

1. Check Shadowmoon's first pic. (it is posted in the first post of this thread)
It's awful.

2. Check newer and newer pics, up to his last one.
These are also awful.

3. FREAKIN' UNDERSTAND HE HAS IMPROVED!
He has made a very, very marginal improvement, this is true. But he's still awful. Even if you teach Jamie Kennedy to act and reshoot the entire film, Son Of The Mask would still be a terrible movie.

If you're giving fake ratings, please just stop commenting to his art.
I assure you I am being nothing but honest with my assessment - his art is terrible. Evil, as though it were excreted by some foul Art Demon. I'm not saying he shouldn't draw at all (even if it would ultimately benefit the Team17 Forum Community, the Art Community, Shadowmoon's local community, an society in general), I'm just suggesting he go away and practice a little more so he is making actual improvement.

(the word "diabolical" made me laugh :p)
I aim to please.

Edit: Shadowmoon, If I liked you I'd still have the same opinion, but I'd probably be more delicate with my delivery.

I entirely disagree with your post. My art is okay, and thats it, really.

Ahhh, screw this. I'm out. I'll keep how i draw worms, and draw them elsewhere than here.

maybe one day i'll return, but for now, i'm out of the arts.

I'll practice somewhere else..... and come back when i think it improved a lot.

S2K, please STOP THIS CRAP! Give your REAL rating to Shadowmoon, DON'T downgrade it because you hate him!

Did you even read the first line of S2K's post? I quote it here for your reference, with appropriate emphasis added.
Shadowmoon, what I say now has no bearing on what I think of you as a person and is entirely relating to your art:


I'm sorry, but my art is not awful at all.


Unfortunately, as the artist you're not really in a position to judge whether or not your work is awful or not - that's for your intended audience to do. Granted if you do think it's awful you don't release it to said audience.

If I were to make a movie and go to Universal or Fox or one of the big production companies and say "I think this is the best movie in the world because I made it" (yes I realise there is a touch of hyperbole compared to this scenario, but it reinforces my point), they would laugh at me. They would then laugh at me even more when they watched it and realised it wasn't the best movie in the world and that it was actually pretty bad.

So in summary, as the creator you can't accurately judge the quality of your work.

Do you want me to post a truly ****ing bad picture? do you?

Because i'll post it right now.posting something worse isn't going to prove anything. we KNOW what's worse, there's plenty of worse around here. trust me, we can all go find it. that's why we're here trying to help, we SEE you can be a good artist. we SEE you can get better. we're TRYING to help you for no reason other than we want to see you succeed, but we can't because all you do is tell us how awesome you are and whine about how mean we all are.

i entirely disagree with your post. My art is okay, and thats it, really.of COURSE you do. you're a self-centered egotistical little *****. that tends to happen with kids with your attitude. you're right we're wrong and no matter what it'll stay that way.

Ahhh, screw this. I'm out. I'll keep how i draw worms, and draw them elsewhere than here.

maybe one day i'll return, but for now, i'm out of the arts.good. go hide in a hole until the world gets better. go lock yourself away in a corner somewhere until the personality fairy comes by and makes everyone like you. that always works SO well.

call us when you can see daylight again.

Posting a bad picture will not make your actual ones look better, you know...
Improve doesn't mean that now your art is good
Is like, if you were on -10 and eleveted to -6. Yes, it's an improvement, but it's still bad... Try to put that on your head
You're so full of yourself that you don't actually want to hear how bad you are. You want people to only repare on the improve since your latest picture but to ignore all the errors and mistakes in the draw...

Now, I don't know if you draw this shapes (bodies and objects like the swords) so twisted and awfull because it's made on computer, but since you don't post draw on paper I can only pressume that you can't do better than that

You still have a long way to go so your art is "not bad" like you say
Now put that on your head for Bunchie's sake

Well... it's improved, but not nearly enough as it needs to. It'd improve a lot more if you took people's comments more seriously though.

You do know i'll not leave this forum, i'll just stop doing arts and practice?

Also, Aku, i think you've activated your temper button.

I over reacted in my post and edited it.

Now, I don't know if you draw this shapes (bodies and objects like the swords) so twisted and awfull because it's made on computer, but since you don't post draw on paper I can only pressume that you can't do better than thathttp://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7678/dsc00309tg3.jpg

he's posted that one so far. it's pretty much exactly the same as the computer drawing. most of his issues don't seem to be with the actual drawing with his preferred medium, but rather in knowing HOW to draw. as stated many times in the past I pretty much have the same issue right now, which is why I've been trying to help so much. he just doesn't want to hear it.

You do know i'll not leave this forum, i'll just stop doing arts and practice?WHY?! really, we don't want that. if you can't tell we've been trying our damndest to get you to draw MORE and practice MORE. we want you to continue trying. the talent is there somewhere under the absolute lack of any form of knowledge. we're trying to give you the knowledge you need.

and yeah, the last post was a bit tempered, but I'll not edit it as I stand by my statements 100% even the flames and insults.

I'm not able to draw any more pictures because there is a problem.

Okay, i'll still post pictures, but now, can you leave this thread alone for a bit, it won't be left for long, btw.

when i get back to my computer, which someone has borrowed, i'll post more pics.

And when the pic is posted, i want you to blurt it out. Don't hide the criticism away.

I will try to react more positively. I can often over react.

I over reacted in my post and edited it.

STOP DOING THIS. It's bad forum etiquette to go back and edit your post because someone has since posted new information or told you that you're wrong. Editing typos is fine, but if you post "Cows are hats!" and someone else follows up with "Cows are animals!" going back to edit your post to say "Cows are animals and I know this!" is Bad Form. Very Bad Form.

I just want to put the following into this conversation.

363 posts ago (blimey, this thread has become that large?!) I posted this:

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=646437&postcount=84

Here I stressed how important is was that the best and quickest way to improve is not to draw more worms, or to get better programs, but to learn how to draw EVERYTHING well. If you know how to draw in general, all of your art will improve regardless of what you draw.

Please please please take notice of this. Yeah, it might put back the things that you want to draw now, but you have no idea how much good it will do. Stop trying to draw worms for now. Start trying to draw other things. Get a book that teaches you how to draw and use it.

That is all.

I've already made the decision to continue, though.

I will look into a book when i get the chance.

Don't you see? He's made the decisionp. There's no going back now!

I think you should all stop for a second and take into consideration that he's just a kid who seems to take this all forum life style very seriously and what you say here can have very negative consequences.

As for you Shadowmoon, I suggest you start practicing offline, for a couple of years.

I think you should all stop for a second and take into consideration that he's just a kid who seems to take this all forum life style very seriously and what you say here can have very negative consequences.

As for you Shadowmoon, I suggest you start practicing offline, for a couple of years.

What's your point anyway? Survival?

I think yakuza should consider been quiet if he's going to bring the argument back.

also no i won't do that. Its unnecessary.

Erm. I was actually defending you here...
You know, never mind, it seems truth didn't hit hard enough.

Don't believe me? Here, I'll put you on:

http://forum.team17.co.uk/image.php?u=24491&dateline=1203363214

That's you! That's how dumb you sound!

You're not smart! You're not assignast! You're not a doctor! You're not even a full time employee! Why did your life go so wrong?

Oh, so I'm a stupid non assignast (?) unemployed idiot who happens not to be a doctor because I asked people not to be so harsh on a subsceptible young man.

I also discovered my avatar sounds dumb.

How old are you again?

Erm. I was actually defending you here...
You know, never mind, it seems truth didn't hit hard enough.

I know, but your also continuing an argue that i don't want continued.

McMaster- That made me laugh so hard. Seriously.

And McMaster is 11.

also no i won't do that. Its unnecessary.
No.
No it's actually a very good idea.

And McMaster is 11.
Are 11 year olds not allowed to be funny?

No.
No it's actually a very good idea.

Are 11 year olds not allowed to be funny?

Well, yakuza asked how old he was, so i told him.

I know, but your also continuing an argue that i don't want continued.

McMaster- That made me laugh so hard. Seriously.

And McMaster is 11.


What argument? I wasn't aware there was one. I only noticed people trying to hit some sense into your head...

You know what. Forget it. The internet makes it very hard to differenciate beteween people capable of understanding and little kids I wouldn't even try having a discussion with.

What argument? I wasn't aware there was one. I only noticed people trying to hit some sense into your head... That and a 11 year old backing you because he, like you, feel identified with each other - both kids, both crap at art and both deluded.

You mean we act EXACTLY like each other?

i was just trying to prevent a flame war.

WTF
I didn't knew there was some many kids on the forum :confused:
Now I feel like I souldn't argue with them anymore :(

I'm too mean... :(

These words are from GLaDOS in her final fight.

If you want Shadowmoon, I can send you the sound files where GLaDOS says those things.

These words are from GLaDOS in her final fight.
Thread successfully unserious'd! Congratulations!

These words are from GLaDOS in her final fight.

If you want Shadowmoon, I can send you the sound files where GLaDOS says those things.

yup, i'd love to be evil and annoy you all.....

jk.

Oh the irony.

This thread is borderline being locked.


That is all.

As for you Shadowmoon, I suggest you start practicing offline, for a couple of years.

This is actually a very reasonable idea. Keep drawing on paper, lots of drawings. Do experiments with new styles or techniques till you have something that does look good. Don't worry about imitating other people's artwork. This is actually what you should do. Take other people's drawing, and attempt to redraw them. Do it, and do it again and again, until you understand how the style works. Then, use this style to draw worms in various poses.
Once it's done, add your own stuff in, and make your style different. Keep drawing until it stabilizes and you think you finally have your own style.

And then come back and post.

This will take a long time, eventually a year or two. Be patient. Dig out some old threads here from some good fanartists, and try to understand how their style works.

the talent is there somewhere under the absolute lack of any form of knowledge.

no it's not

Go dig up my first thread. Look how terrible I was. :) I'm still terrible compared to other people.
I think that when you start making money off of it it's good to an extent :cool:

This thread is borderline being locked.


That is all.

Why?

More art will come, when it comes. For now, talk about anything.

And i'm not going to follow yakuza's idea.

Why?

More art will come, when it comes. For now, talk about anything.

And i'm not going to follow yakuza's idea.

It's the talking about anything that's going to get this thread locked, y'know...

It's the talking about anything that's going to get this thread locked, y'know...

Why? there's a good chance no art will come for a few weeks, also it is my thread.

Why? there's a good chance no art will come for a few weeks, also it is my thread.

If it was anything about your art I don't imagine they'd mind.

Why?

More art will come, when it comes. For now, talk about anything.

And i'm not going to follow yakuza's idea.

Why? there's a good chance no art will come for a few weeks, also it is my thread.

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=33405

Talking about anything = spam = strictly against fanart forum rules. This is a forum for art not mindless spam.

Can you point out the SPAM in this thread? i see no spam.

OMFG i got ****ing infracted for spamming in my own thread. ****ing hell.

Can you point out the SPAM in this thread? i see no spam.

Anything not directly related to your artwork, is and will forever be spam.


OMFG i got ****ing infracted for spamming in my own thread. ****ing hell.

By complaining you're only going to make it worse.

My personal opinion is that this thread should be closed because the majority of people here believe that you should go a way for at least a year and practice drawing in general. That way when you do finally make a return to the ARTZ, it will have drastically improved. If you continue to post art that is essentially the same as what you've already posted, all that is going to happen is that this thread is going to turn into another "flame" war in which everyone tells you that you haven't improved over and over. It's a vicious cycle I'm afraid.

Can you point out the SPAM in this thread? i see no spam.

OMFG i got ****ing infracted for spamming in my own thread. ****ing hell.

Right, in that case:

*Thread closed*


(I also agree with super_frea)

Just because it's your own thread doesn't mean you're magically exempt from the rules. And 13 year old's shouldn't be using language like that :p