Now, as much as I love the 2D games, I can't help but wonder if team17 and/or THQ are neglecting the 3D series. I mean, the last game they had was W4M and that was way back in '05. Do you think they're working on something secret and will spring it out at us about five days from release date?

i hope they will because the next worms game is called 'a space oddity' for the wii and its 2D

Yeah, I sort of know that, I was the one who created the confirmed weapons thread :p

If they do, I hope they do it right.

2D worms will always be of higher quality, IMO.

I enjoy more worms games if it's 2d It rocks!

i like 3D WAAAY more

Also 3D but 3D has more room that 2D so i might have to go with 3D

I'm also hopping for a new 3D game. it just doesn't make sense to neglect them.

Also 3D but 3D has more room that 2D so i might have to go with 3D

I believe that the updated W:A can have much larger landscapes than any 3d worms game can. :p

That's true.

However, I also would like to see a new 3D one, it would be cool to see one with better graphics, and released on PC, 360, and PS3.

I mean, I do prefer the 2D games, bu it would be a shame to neglect the version that the majority of casual gamers enjoy? (Rather than us hardcore nerds)

I don't have access to the sales, but hardcore or casual, WA is still the most played game online, out of the worms series.

Online. Online. Most people who are too casual even to play online prefer the 3D series.

Oh, so now we're playing the assumptioms are facts game?

Oh, so now we're playing the assumptioms are facts game?

Possibly he's using the results of a survey with too small a sample size to mean much, but I doubt Muzer's making any large assumptions.

Great, I see we're still playing.

Here's my counter assumption: you're talking crap. Both of you.

you're talking crap. Both of you.Bit rich :p

Bit rich :p

No it isn't.
Muzer made a claim that casual gamers prefer the 3D games. My response to that claim, was that WA is most played online, he replied that online activity has no absolute connection with the amount of times a games is played. He didn't seem to realize that even if the number of online players doesn't prove anything it still proves more than his assumption. Of course, you had to come by to assume that he wasn't assuming, and that he might have based his argument on a survey.

Let me assume further, an online survey? Because last time I checked, in order to make an accurate survey based on casual players you'd need to present it as an active survey, that is, contacting the people directly, because otherwise, making a passive survey, that is, asking in a forum or hosting a poll would give very misleading results, as those voting are already doing an effort of doing so, therefore are most likely part of a community or cared enough to register in a forum or likewise to vote, which would mean that the results of said survey are completely irrelevant as those people wouldn't be casual, at all.


I also understand that you both talking crap doesn't prove I ain't, so let me elaborate. Casual players are those who pick up a game from time to time to have a bit of fun and never care too much in getting good at it, there is no ultimate casual genre, or dimension, not even a sales price, however there is a pattern that the majority of casual games follow. For the most part, they're free, and for the most part, 2D, as people who play casual games mostly do not have powerful computers for the most part, this is not very important nowadays because computers are stronger and cheaper, and more people buy them. The 2D games, while they have more depth and are harder to master they're just as easy to pick up and mess around with than the 3D games, there's very few people that are somewhat interested in games and haven't heard of W1 ,W2, WA or WWP, however, and this is purely based on experience, there's a bunch of people that ignored the fact that worms made the jump to 3D with the Worms3D title, needless to say, the people I talk based on experience are people of my age group and that share my interests, I'm pretty sure people born in 1995 and after might have heard about the 3D series before the 2D, seeing as when they met their gaming age the 3D games came out and the 2D ones were out of the shelves.


Now, the natural evolution of a gamer would be from casual to hardcore in a particular game, going through whatever levels you might want to add in between, so the amount of people online, statistically, is a good indication of how many people actually play the game, even if there is no proof, if you're born in a farm there's a big chance you'll become a farmer, although nothing stops you from becoming the new president of the United States, bonus points if you're black. Yes, the more casual gamers a game has the higher percentage a few of those will venture into the online mode, shocking I know.


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Sadly I cannot read people's mind, so there's virtually no way I could have assumed what he meant, specially considering he was selling it as a fact as opposed to a humble opinion with little to no relevance other than sharing his views.

I merely meant he probably based what he said off what he's seen his mates play (only asking mates = tiny survey size = slightly pointless results). I've spent a whole day revising for a statistics exam, hence the statsy talk.

My own experience is that it seems to be fairly split between 3D and 2D as to which the casual gamers, those that don't play games too much, seem to play 3D on the consoles, 2D on the PC. Probably because the most recent worms game on the console was 3D, with the recent exception of Worms on the Xbox arcade thing, so I thought it was fairly reasonably that Muzer just went by what he'd seen.

Plus your post was just too much for me to pass by and ignore, I'm not very good at doing that.

There might be a reason why team17 are neglecting 3D worms. Possibly because it doesnt sell as well as 2D worms? I'm just speculating, however. :p

I thought there would be some news about a new Worms for PC in December 2007, but no. :(

Ok, WA is great, but we need another 3D Worms game. There have been so many 2D Worms released on various consoles, and they really didn't bring anything new. WA has probably reached the limit of improvements that can be given to a 2D Worms game, because none of the recent 2D Worms have really new features (ok, there are new weapons in WOW2, and events) and improved gameplay.
What I mean, is Worms Armageddon (with its current updates) is the final version of "Worms 2D". I don't see any other possible improvements for the game engine, it's already perfect. The updates fixed most of its bugs, and any other addition (larger maps...) are nothing else than addons.

On the other hand, "Worms 3D" (I'm talking about the whole 3D series) is unfinished. Worms 4 has been a great step, because the camera has been improved a lot, new models, etc... But it's unfinished. Many things have to be improved there. I mean... seriously... why can't you drop a grenade from a ninja rope, while you can drop a dynamite ? That's a simple limit that ruins any possibility of a shoppa-like game. And not the only one. There are so many things to be done. So many people playing the beta versions, and desperately hoping for the final version which will feature the perfect Worms 3D gameplay.


That's my point. Feel free to say it's crap, I really don't care at all.

When you think about it, Team17 have a lose-lose situation here. Once Worms 4 was out, everybody was like, NEW 2D ONE OMG IT WAS BETTER THAN THIS!!one!

And now, we're almost doing the reverse.

I couldn't have felt less excited when W:ASO was out for Wii. I doubt I'm even going to buy it.

I want brand new 3D Worms for the consoles and PC. It feels like that's the only thing that could get me excited about Worms again at the moment.

I think Worms Mayhem is wonderful, It's true you need more practice to manage all the stuff in the 3D version, but it's better, I've been playing worms since it appeared on PC in the nineties. Worms 3d (Mayhem) is definitely more difficult and better then the others, I wonder why they never made an expansion for it, for example something that makes the story going on or similar. I had a very great time playing Mayhem story mode and I'm still having in multiplayer mode with my friends.

I would love a revival of the 3D series:D they may or may not be working on it, nobody knows, except the guys at the Team 17 company.:cool: I like 3D more than 2D. I think we cannot expect Team 17 to bring one out this year though. After worms a space oddity, a new PC worms game will probably be announced. I think there will be a worms 5 next year.

We turned 17 years old this month. There was quite a celebration. Thanks to everyone who's contributed in some way, however big or small.

We've been very busy with stuff and we'll have a few things to announce soon enough. Some good stuff on the way.

Have a good christmas/holiday.

17 years... this is not a random event. I am sure they are preparing something. Let's hope. :p

Well, some good stuff on the way shouts out to me that there very very busy. I expect the next worms game will be announced after WASO is released. I hope its a 3D worms game, but i think it may be a 2D pc game.