Okay, first of all, if you find out the answer don't spoil it for others, pm me or something.

Here is a question for anyone that can be assed to investigate:

A tower of 10 worms, one on top of the other.

Is it possible for the last worm (the one on top) to be moved to the first spot (the worm on the bottom of the tower) without destroying the whole tower?

The question is not a riddle.

edit: You only have one turn.

top worm walks down then the next one on top walks on top of that worm then the next top one walks on top of that worm etc. till you got a new bottom guy =] simple.

No, then you'd have another tower...
The tower has to remain the same.

no, you would have the same tower with its contents in a different order and in a different position on the terrain.

no, you would have the same tower with its contents in a different order and in a different position on the terrain.

Why are we arguing? I said that answer is not correct.

How about just making the bottom worm walk out from underneath. The tower will remain intact and he can then walk onto the top of the tower.

Repeat with the other worms. The top worm will make it to the bottom eventually.

Heh, that's technically correct. Forgot to mention you only have one turn though :)

edit: That's right, and no select worm.

And no select worm, I figure. ;)

Heh, that's technically correct. Forgot to mention you only have one turn though :)

edit: That's right, and no select worm.
Combine Melon's idea with 8 worm selects.

edit: oops, didn't see that.

read the edit that you quoted >.>

I think I know how it can be done.

must the bottom worm remain as part of the tower?

must the bottom worm remain as part of the tower?

yes



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Hmm...
I know how to do it if it were Worms4, does that count for anything?

Wait; I know how. Well, I know how just as long as the worms and location can be set up as I desire.

Ditto, but with Worms Open Warfare

Ok, the worm at the bottom is slightly offset (not central). That way, another worm can fit next to him and still be beneath the other worms.
The top worm moves down, goes next to the bottom worm and prods him away.

Oh wait, he must stay as part of the tower...

You'll Never Find Out Wmwhahwhahaw.

How??? Can you PM me plzplzplz kthxbai

Nah dude, won't do, I remember you asking me to die or something via PM.

You can continue trying though.

By the way, the tower is of 10 worms, doens't mean you can't use extra worms to do "something"...

I shall squeeze my brain to try it.

EDIT:

Got it: do a tower of 10 worms over another worm... not part of the tower, being the tower over that worm, but on the side, with space to a worm to stand below. Then, start the given turn with the top one, and smack the bottom one's head open with the bat. The tower should fall on you.

Is it?

I've done it using 6 worms, but most of the tower was destroyed.

Still, nothing says the entire tower must be standing, just that it cant all be destroyed.

Alex, the original bottom worm moved must still be part of the tower.


Ok, the worm at the bottom is slightly offset (not central). That way, another worm can fit next to him and still be beneath the other worms.
The top worm moves down, goes next to the bottom worm and prods him away.

Oh wait, he must stay as part of the tower...

You're all undertanding the challenge as if the question has a trick or is a riddle...

It isn't!

Also the tower must remain, it can't be partially destroyed, sorry if that wasn't clear.

Start the tower with all but the top worm frozen, and all on a girdir(sp?). Then get the top worm to go down below the girdir, directly below the tower and shoot upwards.

And AK, what Alex did is ok. He had the tower of ten worms on top of an additional worm, which was not a part of the tower itself. Yakuza did say that was allowed.

I was meaning a tower of 11 worms... only the bottom one is not part of it :p

so it makes 10, when the process is done.

Thing is, if the worm is part of the tower he is part of the tower, that's how it works. You can use other worms but they must be irrelevant to the tower.

Another idea.
Make a map in such a way that an earthquake will make all the worms fall through a chute to keep the tower just the way it was, but with the top worm having already moved to the bottom.

Start the tower with all but the top worm frozen, and all on a girdir(sp?). Then get the top worm to go down below the girdir, directly below the tower and shoot upwards.

you could do that with a shotgun and wouldn't even have to use any freezes

is that the way yakuza?

Another idea.
Make a map in such a way that an earthquake will make all the worms fall through a chute to keep the tower just the way it was, but with the top worm having already moved to the bottom.

lol. wouldn't work, the worms would merge with each other and become indistinguishable (does this mean they're bosons?)

Start the tower with all but the top worm frozen, and all on a girdir(sp?). Then get the top worm to go down below the girdir, directly below the tower and shoot upwards.

It works.

Took me a while to set up, but it definitly works.


The worms have to be frozen, otherwise they would all fall to the ground and merge. When frozen, they become solid and stack.

The worms have to be frozen, otherwise they would all fall to the ground and merge. When frozen, they become solid and stack.

not true ->

Ack, version error.

Providing you manually placed the worms on that tower that's still two turns to freeze and the tower moves it's location therefore it's not the same tower.

Note it has to be possible in one turn.

run: it's not with a shotgun :)

My solution (I s'pose it's not correct though)

Nah dude, won't do, I remember you asking me to die or something via PM.

You can continue trying though.

By the way, the tower is of 10 worms, doens't mean you can't use extra worms to do "something"...

Ah yes. Now I remember. It's because you got the best thread on the forum closed. On that note:

I H8 U :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Ack, version error.

Oh. well, assume i'm right http://www.nanacide.com/images/Emoticons/colbert.gif

I have a stupid (probably alternate) solution:

IMPORTANT: it starts at 10:00, aprox, when Lombriz's turn starts, the worm in top, and soon, the worm below.

Providing you manually placed the worms on that tower that's still two turns to freeze and the tower moves it's location therefore it's not the same tower.

The tower has to be in the same position? So 9 worms have to travel up somehow? well i'm stumped

The tower has to be in the same position? So 9 worms have to travel up somehow? well i'm stumped

Hehe, yes and no accordingly.

My solution (I s'pose it's not correct though)

Incorrect, the worm doesn't take the first spot, he takes the um, -1 spot :P

I have a stupid (probably alternate) solution:

IMPORTANT: it starts at 10:00, aprox, when Lombriz's turn starts, the worm in top, and soon, the worm below.

The tower moves its position :( Not correct


Oh and muzer: please keep idiotic inaccurate accusations to yourself thank you.

The tower moves its position :( Not correct

Incorrect, the worm doesn't take the first spot, he takes the um, -1 spot :P

Those two statementes contradict themselves.

No they don't. But you're free to elaborate so I can see were it is you're getting confused.

Also, watch the replays before making assumptions, it make help you understand.

No they don't. But you're free to elaborate so I can see were it is you're getting confused.

Also, watch the replays before making assumptions, it make help you understand.

I did, in one, the tower didn't move, and it's wrong, and in the other, since it moved, it's wrong

You didn't actually do it, the worms fell down. I think he wants the tower to stay in the same place and not move.

So? Moving the tower is not the only way to mess up.

Yours is wrong because the tower moved.

Face's is wrong because the top worm doesn't take the bottom worm spot, it takes a lower spot.

That's like saying, hey teacher, my friend copied in the exam and he got a zero, but I didn't copy and also got a zero, surely one of us deserves a 10?

There's a pixel in between.

yes, but that was not the reason he said :p

instead, he said that place -1 didn't work.

yes, but that was not the reason he said :p

instead, he said that place -1 didn't work.

Please stop this debate, you got confused because you didn't understand something that is clear to most people. So next time ask me via PM so I can explain it more carefully for you to understand.

Is it possible for the last worm (the one on top) to be moved to the first spot (the worm on the bottom of the tower)

face's worm doesn't move to the first spot, where the first worm of the tower is, instead he moves to a place LOWER than that, hence the -1. Clear in my eyes.

Sorry for posting while you were doing :p

My answer to the question is: nope, can't be done :p

Wrong answer :)

Wrong answer :)

I guessed :p

And "excuse me" if I got after "too much" details over that fact: I just spent about half an hour trying to do that recording to realise it was a waste :p

Hehe, well, here's a tip, with my way, you can do it in 10 seconds..

How about just making the bottom worm walk out from underneath. The tower will remain intact and he can then walk onto the top of the tower.

Repeat with the other worms. The top worm will make it to the bottom eventually.

Heh, that's technically correct. Forgot to mention you only have one turn though :)

edit: That's right, and no select worm.

Well this appears to be the closest anybody's got according to Yakuza's replies.

So somehow, we need to move a worm from out of the bottom, and somehow swaps places with the top worm.

It's not got anything to do with wkMagic, in that you can sink worms and so automatically teleport them back onto a pile on top of each other, has it? If that makes sense. What you could do is have the bottom one stand on a pixel and have the tower arranged so when the bottom one moves, they all fall into the water bar the top one, who lands on the pixel, and the rest then teleport on top of him. But I don't know if this would work.

You don't need any external applications other than worms :)

I think I've got it.

You battle axe the worm at the top, and only the one at the top. He falls through all of the other worms and ends up at the bottom.

So you move the one at the bottom out of the side of the tower, then fly up and hit him with an axe (use a girder to get the right height), then jump back onto the top of the tower. The worm at the top is now at the bottom.

If you can do that with an axe then I guess you have succeeded.
Post a replay if you get it I'm curious.

Hmmm... well technically you get two worms sharing the bottom space, so I don't think it's quite correct.

-EDIT- Make that 3 worms.

Hm, even though I think it could potentially work, in that replay it doesn't work as your axed worm does hit a worm and makes him fall also, so there's 3 worms on the bottom spot unless my eyes are lying to me.

edit: he does hit the worm on the bottom and therefore the whole tower goes down :)

edit2: However yes, it is possible with your way, congrats :)

Yeah, I edited my post just before you replied.

Oh well, back to the drawing board. I assume that wasn't your solution, and that you have a replay showing how it CAN be done for when we all give up.

Hehe, my way is exactly the same as your but with the baseball bat, aiming downards.

Alright! What do I win?

Well you win being acknowledged of winning a challenge in a 8 year old game! Which is a very important merit!

Huh. So all the hidden conditions were:
1: Only one turn allowed.
2: The worm select may be used.
3: No effects on the worms before positioning them.
4: The worm at the top has to go in the exact place where the worm at the bottom was.
5: The tower can't end in a different position than when it started.

That would have been a lot more enjoyable if you had actually posted all the rules at the start.

pfff... I tried it too... but since the tower was not even the same, I though I didn't pass it...

Try to make it more clear the next time...

EDIT: I can't understand something...

1. The tower moved while the first turn. Yes, solved if used an external worm.

2. The tower would anyways be shorter... isn't that like modifying the tower?

Huh. So all the hidden conditions were:
1: Only one turn allowed.
2: The worm select may be used.
3: No effects on the worms before positioning them.
4: The worm at the top has to go in the exact place where the worm at the bottom was.
5: The tower can't end in a different position than when it started.

That would have been a lot more enjoyable if you had actually posted all the rules at the start.

Yes you're right, because reading 2 or 3 extra posts with extra rules is a bit too much for you? Also, I don't get number 2, is that a hidden condition? Think please. I also don't get 3. Number 5 was quickly explained and 4 was explained on the first thread.

Don't be bitter you didn't get it my friend. You're always focusing on the bad things.

pfff... I tried it too... but since the tower was not even the same, I though I didn't pass it...

Try to make it more clear the next time...

EDIT: I can't understand something...

1. The tower moved while the first turn. Yes, solved if used an external worm.

2. The tower would anyways be shorter... isn't that like modifying the tower?

Number 1 I don't get it I think it's irrelevant anyway.

Number 2, well, the question was, how to get the top worm to the bottom, so of course the tower will end up being one worm shorter but in essence it doesn't move at all, the only worm that moves is the top one, as intended and explained.

Well, when Run asked, he told that 9 worms should go up. And you just said that, "no".

Well, I though it was clearly not moving those, but the other one should be below all the others.

Anyways, this is not a problem of everyone understanding it: It was a problem of not explaining it accurate enough the first time.

No, I just answered a simple question with a correct answer without giving a tip on how it was supposed to be done.

It almost seems as if you guys are trying to blame your failure on the way I explained things. Melon got it right shortly after, so surely you're exagerating?

It almost seems as if you guys are trying to blame your failure on the way I explained things. Melon got it right shortly after, so surely you're exagerating?

You may prefer to question yourself why the rest though it the other way.

Even Melon though it was not quite correct.

He's in Spain, English clearly isn't his first language. He could have done a lot worse.

You may prefer to question yourself why the rest though it the other way.

Even Melon though it was not quite correct.

I only see you and Plasma complaining, others asked question which were answered, you're more like whoreing.

If you want to think that had I explained things better you would have guessed it then so be it.

I did think I'd got it wrong because it wasn't the same tower, as it wasn't the same height. Using your baseball bat method might have made it 9 worms high, but mine made it about 8 high.

Similarly, I could probably argue the same that you could take the bottom worm and vertical jump until theiy're all in a pile, then stand that one on the top. I'll now have a 2 high tower with the worm originally at the top in the bottom space. Of course, due to the nature of how it is solved and what the solution is, you can't really tell us too much without giving too much away. If you'd mentioned that the tower doesn't have to be the same height at the end, there'd have been all sorts of alternative solutions and we'd have spent longer getting nowhere.

However it was originally mentioned for the tower to be 10 worms high, and we had to assume that it meant it will end up as 10 high. But I guess we assumed wrong. Didn't think outside the box enough. Didn't play enough of The Impossible Quiz.

I think it's fair to say you're all jealous because I won. ;)

I only see you and Plasma complaining, others asked question which were answered, you're more like whoreing.

If you want to think that had I explained things better you would have guessed it then so be it.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, but if you want to make good challenges, make them clear. If you made this one clear, it would have been great. Writing something as simple as "Take the top worm to the exact same place of the bottom one in one turn" could make people understand easier. And the rest may be not complaining because they are offline :p What annoys me is to spend time on something that I could have NEVER guessed because you explained it not good enough.



And, Melon, I'm not jelous, yet nothing, I actually though of that, but I didn't consider it as an answer.

So we agree you're blaming it on my explanation as the reason why you couldn't make it.

Surely Melon making it proves you are the one who has a problem here? Also compare the bold part to my first post and shut up for once and accept defeat.

Look, I answered all your questions and attempts, and explained every time why you were wrong, so you can hardly say I didn't explain things properly.

I strongly believe its more of a problem of your understanding, as you've made a couple of really stupid questions in this thread already.

So we agree you're blaming it on my explanation as the reason why you couldn't make it.
Yeah

Surely Melon making it proves you are the one who has a problem here?
What? Out of all the possible things your meaning haad this was a remote possibility. Instead of challenge, it should have been actually a riddle, not like you said.

Also compare the bold part to my first post
Yes, I read it, and I tried to find the meaning again, and that bold thing is what I though could be better.

and shut up for once and accept defeat.
So this is what it is about?

I strongly believe its more of a problem of your understanding, as you've made a couple of really stupid questions in this thread already.

Those two questions came out of frustration, and I already apologised, if you "understood" me :p

Look, you're giving me crap on how bad my explanation was and how its my fault you didn't win, if you used all this energy and time to try and figure out my apparently non understandable explanation I'm sure you would have understood it, however I very much doubt you would have gotten the right answer even if my explanation was totally fitting to you judging by your posts.

Stop this nonsense, someone guessed it shortly after it was posted should be enough proof that I was clear enough.

*leaves this loophole*

1: Only one turn allowed.
2: The worm select may be used.
3: No effects on the worms before positioning them.
4: The worm at the top has to go in the exact place where the worm at the bottom was.
5: The tower can't end in a different position than when it started.
iirc yakuza said you can't use worm select.

? baseball bat the top worm puts him with the worm at the bottom? (lol i think the 3rd page makes this make sense :P )

using girders ends your turn thus you cant do it in one turn... ?

oO ? ?

why are people making replays and crap? just say yes or no since its a yes/no question :P

And, Melon, I'm not jelous, yet nothing, I actually though of that, but I didn't consider it as an answer.

I know, the winking smilie indicated it was a joke.

Anyway, this seems to have escalated out of control.
No more of this dumb argument please.

how do you get above a worm to bat straight down in a single turn?

Rope, jetpack, low gravity.

C'mon franpa. That's a pretty dumb question.

My point no. 2 was a typo. Now let us never speak of it again...

Surely Melon making it proves you are the one who has a problem here?
See, it's not a matter of the problem being impossible, it's a matter of answers that should have been right, for obeying the rules, being completely wrong because of a rule we didn't know about.

I think he went through every rule, just not in the first post.

To be fair to yakuza, I don't think he imagined some of the crazy ideas we came up with. If he did, he'd have no doubt put rules in place to rule them out. When we came up with an idea that wasn't the one he thought of, it may have been a way of getting the top worm to the bottom, but it wasn't the way he was thinking of, so he says "now try it again without moving the tower".

I personally don't think there was anything wrong with the way he approached it, and I'm not just saying that because I won.

But yeah, this argument is still going on longer that it should do.

Could anyone just post a replay of the solution please? :rolleyes:

I tried doing it with the baseball bat and found it impossible and when I used the battle axe, more than one worm went down and the whole tower moved.

how do you make a tower so that the top worm starts? it requires multiple goes if your gonna have everyone walk on top of each other so that the last to walk on top bats downwards.

Basically, you build your tower. Then, you either skip goes or use a select worm to get the worm at the top. Then, you use one move to do the challenge.

how do you make a tower so that the top worm starts? it requires multiple goes if your gonna have everyone walk on top of each other so that the last to walk on top bats downwards.

You can't make a tower where the worm on the top starts. You can, however, move the bottom one out from underneath then move him to the top. Unfortunately, you cant drop him directly on top of the tower from a rope because it tries to rope knock everyone, so you will need somewhere to stand and then jump onto the tower.

I can't seem to get the baseball bat glitch to work. Was it fixed in one of the beta updates?

but worm selects arnt allowed and waiting wastes turns when you only have 1 turn to do anything.

oh lol, thanks melon.

here you go guys =)

edit: this replay IS wrong. to do it right you need to use a worm that is NOT part of the tower instead of the one on the bottom

The baseball bat glitch does work, but you need to have no girders, it's better if you only have baseball bat in the f7 row...

Franpa, even if people use more turns to get it right I only said it had to be possible in 1 turn, which it is, draw a map with a hill, put your first worm over the hill, then build the tower under the hill so the last worm is a high as the first worm you placed on the hill, all this with manual placements. Then on your first turn, select the shotgun, aim downards, move to the top worm, press f7 then space tada.

Plasma: I went over all the incorrect answers and explained why they where wrong, you can continue blaming it on my explanation if that makes you happy.

here you go guys =)

edit: this replay IS wrong. to do it right you need to use a worm that is NOT part of the tower instead of the one on the bottom

Please read the first post, I never mentioned you had to use the worm in the bottom, you got confused because people kept trying to do it with that worm and maybe you supposed that was in the rules.

In fact, in the first page, post #19 I make it clear you can use a worm out of the tower.

See, if you guys instead of complaining so much actually read the posts maybe you would have gotten it right.

did you watch my replay with the baseball bat? the 1st guy batted down #12.

here is a replay of it being done, note that i missed with the bat on purpose =]

Really? Did you really miss on purpose, or can you just not do it? I myself, cannot seem to exploit that glitch with the baseball bat. It may have been fixed.

i did miss, but yea not on purpose, i walked too far...

choose zook, aim down, walk, (during walking) press F7 then spacebar very quickly.

You don't need to be quickly, you just need to continue walking... Franpa, missing on purpose? I guess you need to know that you can't bat someone from the top of him, even if the bat aims down the contact is still on the side, as a normal non glitched aim bat would hit, so you need to stand as you would when batting him normall (to a side) the bat won't appear to hit in your eyes since you're next to the worm and you hit down, but it will.

fine then, here you go, a tower of 10 with the top being batted down by the a worm not part of the pile.

(iscrewed up on the 1st worm teleport, but i had 12 worms so meh, the tower was still the size of 10 worms.)

i missed with the bat on purpose =]

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screw you *******, go cry to your mommy that you can't post in the thread of your life long obsession.

screw you *******, go cry to your mommy that you can't post in the thread of your life long obsession.

What is that supposed to accomplish?

screw you *******, go cry to your mommy that you can't post in the thread of your life long obsession.
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i agree with the low and severe rating, but guarded? not at all...

screw you *******, go cry to your mommy that you can't post in the thread of your life long obsession.

hahhahahahaha

this thread has redeemed itself