"Oh deary me" I see people think when they read this title. I've looked around the forum and found that the last one was 1 year ago. :eek:
So... for those about to rock with paint: start your mindboggling ideas and let the best painter win! :D

Facts:
Starting date: RIGHT NOW!! :rolleyes:
Ending date: hmm... 15 December?
Rules: Has to have something to do with worms.
Poll will decide who wins :)

Is that paint as in MSPaint, or paint as in watercolours and a brush?

It's MSpaint... you'll be suprised how good some people can use it.
Oh and ehm.. any other program is allowed BUT only use the tools that are available in MS paint. (no blur filters or fading stuff, simply pencil, bucket etc... )

I'm amazed it's been that long, but oh, well.

I'll get on it when I have a moment.

Obviously that includes no anti-aliasing or layering. It would probably be easier to actually Use MSPaint.

You're allowed to use everything that MSPaint can do... doesn't matter what program you're using. Only MSPaint-abilities are allowed to be used.

For non-MS Paint proggies... this will be alot of "undo"-ing ghehehe.

One more thing, once you've finished (or want to save it) save it in PNG format!!
This format garantees the same quality as you have in paint. jpg screws stuff up and gif only allows 256 colors.

how about fake anti-aliasing? like getting the antialias effect by drawing with a 1 pixel brush?
e.g.
left = antialiasd
right = pixel by pixel fake antialiasd
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5836/untitledyj4.png

If you do it by hand, it's allowed. Else it's an effect/filter, thus not allowed. :)

yes but how do you know? someone can say he did it in paint while he used another program...

effects/filters use tons of colors, hand-drawn images usually stop at 3-5 pixels for an effect.
So OTT stuff or highly (superhigh) detailed stuff is usually not hand made... or you outta be a real GOD with paint... or have way too much free time :rolleyes:

The problem wit ha MSpaint compo is that it usually depends greatly on whoever has the most free time.

effects/filters use tons of colors, hand-drawn images usually stop at 3-5 pixels for an effect.
So OTT stuff or highly (superhigh) detailed stuff is usually not hand made... or you outta be a real GOD with paint... or have way too much free time :rolleyes:

The problem wit ha MSpaint compo is that it usually depends greatly on whoever has the most free time.

lol, i got a lotta time *opens isometric pixelworm folder*

The problem wit ha MSpaint compo is that it usually depends greatly on whoever has the most free time.It's not the winning that counts, it's the taking part.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you "Back 2 Paint" No. 5:

The problem wit ha MSpaint compo is that it usually depends greatly on whoever has the most free time.You would think that....
As I remember last time, there was an unfinished entry that was pretty dam good and got a few votes too.
You see, the state in wich a pic is, doesn't matter. If the start is good and is kept up with time, it had a fair chance.
Splapp's entry wasn't finished either, but came close 2nd (or won :o ).

Can it be drawn in MSN?
That's where I end up doing most of my crap anyways. :p

It's not the winning that counts, it's the taking part.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you "Back 2 Paint" No. 5:
Y'know, I really woulda thought that using just the circle and line tools would be enough to draw your worms...

Can it be drawn in MSN?
That's where I end up doing most of my crap anyways. :p Ehmm..
*opens msn drawboard*
*examins detail of drawing*
No, msn uses anti-aliasin' stuff.. msn if not allowed.
Besides... paint has more options than msn:eek:

Y'know, I really woulda thought that using just the circle and line tools would be enough to draw your worms...No. Then they lose all their subtle variation. You've seen all the slating Aku gets for his vector drawing style.

I do use a circle-and-line template in CPP8 and GIMP which I then draw over to ensure a degree of consistency, but that's it.

here is my entry, i used flash to do this one, but i only used the pencil,paint brush, and the paint bucket, i didin't use faded colors or anything,



http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3899/ohyeahwm0.png (http://imageshack.us)

Erm...anti-aliasing?

FAIL

Erm...anti-aliasing?

FAIL

how suprising.. agent_luke failing :rolleyes: :p

here is my entry, i used flash to do this one, but i only used the pencil,paint brush, and the paint bucket, i didin't use faded colors or anything,
Flash isn't allowed- it has that line-smoothing effect.

Flash isn't allowed- it has that line-smoothing effect.

called anti-aliasing

well whatever, thats for Apocalypse to decide.PS:STFU wormthingy!

well whatever, thats for Apocalypse to decide.PS:STFU wormthingy!

he already diceded.. flash antialiasses stuff,which is not allowed in this competition, and i dont think there's a way to turn it off, you could draw it again in paint.
what did i do? i was just joking, and theres no need for using the F you can just ask me politely...

Oh, that's what STFU stands for.

I always read it as shorthand for "stuff you".

It also means "Same Thing For U".

This is why I despise internet acronyms.

It also means "Same Thing For U".

This is why I despise internet acronyms.

yeah, sometimes theyre like ftw.. erm wait

ISTR ("I seem to remember/recall") is easily my favourite. I'm not sure why. It may be because the acronym starts with a one-letter word anyway, or that "remember" has three syllables.

Oh, that's what STFU stands for.

I always read it as shorthand for "stuff you".
I used to think that for a good while too. But that was over a year ago.

Ironically the best picture Luke has ever posted in this very forum was misplaced and uncalled for... :rolleyes:

Even though he pretty much fails at art, i feel compelled to say he brings endless joy and mocking material to this forum. Ok... maybe not endless, but surely a whole lot of them... :)

What would we be without Agent Luke? :p

All done in MSpaint with the brush, the bucket and the lasso:

http://vader.wurmz.net/images/worms/worm-zombie2.png

edit: why aren't the image tags working?

edit2: oh, they are.

edit3: FINE. Link.

FORBlDDEN.

Fixed (I think).

I'm a bit miffed it isn't working in an img tag... any ideas?

Probably because it's still forbidden.

I'm a bit miffed
Miff-a-biff-biff, three men in a skiff.

No, that had no point. It just plopped in the head and I wanted to share it with the world.

[EDIT]And I just realized that what I just said could be interpreted as a poo joke.
That makes 2 things that just came out of no where in this single post. WORLD RECORD.

Well I didn't forbid it and it's on my webspace.

I've attached a smaller version. I like the bigger version. :(

edit: OK, so if you click the link it is forbidden but if you press go on the browser it will show... or selected the address bar and hit enter... I need to fiddle with my htaccess file, it seems.

Was that really made in paint?
Or did it just get anti-aliasing from the resize? <MAH BET'S ON THAT ONE.

AA from the resize... see my post edit to see the full size one.

Well here is what I ended up doing so far. This is just a preveiw. However I doubt if I finish it.

Just felt like entering, that's all.
I know about the tails, but meh. :p

and so slick wins.. again..

Don't jump to conclusions...
Some people still want to enter (I hope) and there's plenty of time left to finish drawing.
@ Slick: read the first few posts -_- it says save in png format..
OR, did you do that on purpose to people cant copy the preview? (as if we would dare :rolleyes:)

awesome job there, vader. it's almost questionable about if that was, in fact, done entirely in paint. I do, however, recognise the tell-tale paint signs available in the larger view of that image. so good show! very nice!

and slick, I hate you. I hate you for all that you have ever been. that image is set to be the most detailed and unbelievable paint image ever......go die somewhere :p

I was thinking of entering, but with the absolutely amazing picturs people have made ALREADY, I don't think I'll bother. It'll be like a child's drawing in comparison.

It also means "Same Thing For U".

This is why I despise internet acronyms.

Nobody in the history of the world has ever uttered the phrase "same thing for you". Why on Earth would we need an acronym (or more accurately, an initialism) for it?

isnt that a bit offtopic?

Well here is what I ended up doing so far. This is just a preveiw. However I doubt if I finish it.

...f*** :p

*thinks about entering* :)
*remembers what happened last time* :(
*thinks of all the fun he had* :o
*decides to screw everyone and enter* :rolleyes:

Preview :O

it's almost questionable about if that was, in fact, done entirely in paint.

That is perhaps the biggest compliment I could receive for my image.

I do, however, recognise the tell-tale paint signs available in the larger view of that image. so good show! very nice!

Thank you very much.

Either way, spectacular job on that pic Vader.

Nobody in the history of the world has ever uttered the phrase "same thing for you".

I've heard of it as the worst comeback possible. i.e., "You suck." "Yeah? Well, same thing for you!"

If that bad comeback doesn't actually exist, then I'd be surprised, as it means that my brain has completely fabricated memories of hearing it.
Not that that's impossible. The mind is crazy like that.

And I prefer to think of it that way rather than Shut The Frack Up, as I interpret it as a bad comeback, so whoever says STFU looks like a fool to me.

Alternatively...

That joke is absolutely punishing.

Vader, your full-size image link really likes to be forbidden.

Also, I'm not gonna go into this one. GIMP has spoiled me. I can't live without layers.

I'd like to create something since I draw most everything in paint, not sure if I have time :(

my progressions
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9722/screenshotkq1.png

Vader, your full-size image link really likes to be forbidden.

Yes, I know.

As I said in my post, until I work out why my htaccess file is forbidding team17.com from hotlinking my images you'll have to do one of the following:

1 - Click the link.
2 - When the link hs loaded and you are shown the forbidden page, press the "Go" button on your browser's address bar.

or

1 - Click the link.
2 - Highlight the URL in the address bar.
3 - Press the Enter button on your keyboard.

or

1 - Copy the link location.
2 - Paste it into the address bar.
3 - Press Enter.

Me for the win!

Not!

updateage..
gonna be huge :)
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/724/wormpixelhr4.png

WOA! WT FTW!

I'm out

I got bored.

WOA! WT FTW!

I'm out

youve seen nothing yet
its a max payne worm :p

Nice WT, I just dont like the expression, but the Art is great.

the expression cant be worse than the ingame expression
begining of the game --> http://www.3drealms.com/max/images/contest/action/action2.jpg
later on --> http://www.abbyy.ua/img/onec/multimedia/max_payne1.jpg
near the end --> http://www.3dnews.ru/documents/2387/finalscene1_pic2.jpg
(this only counts for max payne 1.. max payne 2 is far better when it comes to the face textures.. (http://www.mortens1.no/images/The%20Game%20Cube/0904-04/Max%20Payne%202%20bilde%201.jpg) )

Vader, your full-size image link really likes to be forbidden.

Also, I'm not gonna go into this one. GIMP has spoiled me. I can't live without layers.do what I do. draw the image in multiple Paint files and combine them later. just be sure to keep the original files seperate so that you can go back and edit if needed. it's not the same but it works.

It also means "Same Thing For U".

This is why I despise internet acronyms.

wtf i always thought it meant Stop Throwing Frozen Underpants:p
STFU! lol

btw i may enter, a paint compo sounds easy enough for me to do.
meh im soo lazy.

ONOES I LOSE

Oh well, I'll enter. :p

It's cloudy. Yes.

I don't like how the sky ended up...and shading was a whore.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4555/VirusMan/Klap2.png

:thumbsdown:

I'm slightly confused as to how the rocky outcrop is far more heavily shaded than the worm.

But still, thumbs up for detail.

Slick... I think you win.

Slick... I think you win.I dunno, it's not as amazing as all that. it's a good entry, yes. a VERY good one, but it's hardly an instant win. :p

I'm slightly confused as to how the rocky outcrop is far more heavily shaded than the worm.


Aye, that is because when I made it I drew everything in black. Then I went in and added colors to make it look the way it did. Now, everything I did to the worm to make it look shaded like that just didn't work. So after hours of figureing out how to shade the worm at all, that's what I got.
I could of added more colors to the land thing but meh.

Certain parts of that look really odd. (The shine on the water isn't perfect.)

It's pretty, though, yah.

I dunno, it's not as amazing as all that. it's a good entry, yes. a VERY good one, but it's hardly an instant win. :p

I agree. The dithering is horrible but it's a nice image.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/43029651/ My entry.
I tried. :(

I tried. :(not very hard. the image is almost entirely blank, and the worm isn't even proportional and was very obviously added in as an afterthought.

I cannae see Slicks D:

I cannae see Slicks D:

You areth withteth Internetz exploiter gilde?

You areth withteth Internetz exploiter gilde?

Erm...I beeth useth ye Fox of ye fireth

I be robbed of my ideaethets! Cursed!

Is it me, or does Mozilla Firefox sound like the name of an RPG character?

Is it me, or does Mozilla Firefox sound like the name of an RPG character?

"ye Fox of ye fireth" hm, you're right! Anyway [/stoptehspam]

[/stoptehspam]

Wait, that's the end of you stopping the spam?:-/

Wait, that's the end of you stopping the spam?:-/

uh no it's, uh, GET OFF ME MANSACKS!

Is it me, or does Mozilla Firefox sound like the name of an RPG character?
I think it sounds more like a rapper, myself.

Mozilla Firefox in da' hiz-owse! Hyt hyt hyt!

I see I've been beaten to it. Oh well, good luck to all that enter. :)

Beaten to what?

I cannae see Slicks D:Im with him in that point.. can't see slick's :eek: :(

Beaten to what?"Traditionally", ScotWorm hosts the MS Paint competition.

Well, the bazooka has an odd shape, but I did that quickly, sorry. :p

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6726/wormsxh9.png

"Traditionally", ScotWorm hosts the MS Paint competition.

Ah, I thought that may be the case.

I see I've been beaten to it. Oh well, good luck to all that enter. :)Well.. sorry scot, but I really felt like organizing one. Yu can start the poll at the end :p

:(
Click the retarded one! (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43157850/)

Well.. sorry scot, but I really felt like organizing one. Yu can start the poll at the end :p

I didn't mean to imply (s/p?) anything, so sorry if it came across like that. I wasn't planning on hosting one anyway, I thought it was too soon after the previous ones. But thanks for the offer anyway.

And that's a "No, I won't be hosting the poll", btw :p

wtf i always thought it meant Stop Throwing Frozen Underpants:p
STFU! lol
I always thought it meant:Shut the **** up
Well...*checks wikipedia*
EDIT:Yes,it did...

I didn't mean to imply (s/p?) anythingI know what you meant, that's why i used the ":p" hehe

Btw, is evreyone getting good ideas for the entries? I got mine all fixed for spacious (s/p?) objects :D

Here's a paint picture. But I have no energy to use colors or anything.

It's simple, it's clean... i like it... :)

Well, the bazooka has an odd shape, but I did that quickly, sorry. :p

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6726/wormsxh9.png

He he, I like. Nice job.

Finally a comment. Thanks. :)

Well, the bazooka has an odd shape, but I did that quickly, sorry. :p

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6726/wormsxh9.pngYou should add shading so the zook looks more like a pipe, than a block..

almost done mine.. slowly getting serious injuries..

I made another. This one's been shrunk to fit the forum. Click it to see the original (be warned, it's pretty massive and my website seems to be going veerrry slowly at the moment :( ).

http://vader.wurmz.net/images/worms/worm-chillax.png (http://vader.wurmz.net/images/worms/worm-chillax-big.png)

Dude... this' on the friggin wrong thread... you pretty much won the FoTM compo with this one... :eek:

Dude... this' on the friggin wrong thread... you pretty much won the FoTM compo with this one... :eek:

AGREED! rofl! That one rocks!

Nehehehe that's a funny one :o
Made me laugh out loud too :D

--edit--
Slick, please repost your picture, i still can't see it... (not even a link o_O )

What would we be without Agent Luke? :p

Do I need to answer that?

I think I'll enter this.

I think I'll enter this.Good luck to you then.

I recently looked at the older paint compos and I'm still scared by the level of detail put into those pictures.. I'm amazed what paint can do :eek:

I redo my entry....
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43566217/
CHING!

*enters*
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9561/paintpreviewdv7.png (http://imageshack.us)
<enter evil scheming words here>
*leaves*

Polymascotfoamalate...

Sorry, that song is stuck in my head.
Nice volcano leaking into sea evaporating water.

He he i saw that one earlier!
it was one of those things that reminds you of the day you were left in a field.
Not really!
I might enter this myself once i get a proper style and settle on it.

12 days left people :)
I can't be bothered to improve my entry..it's been hell to get the <censored> to look good everywhere. shading's been hard too, I even <censored> some places.

Hope I won't be the only person entering.. although.. I'd win :eek:

Hope I won't be the only person entering.

You already know you're not, surely.

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1563/paintcomprd7.png

Booya.

*misses Ali G show*

You already know you're not, surely.Ok ok, more than one person is entering..
Should have said that I hope i wasn't going to be the only one with a competitive entry...

oof! forgot to post this one
pleeeeaaase ignore the stuff thats not worms.. it was doodled in... (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43323524/?qo=4&q=by%3Awormthingy&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps)

I MIGHT still enter, but I'm trying to move into a new house right now with mah fiancee, so I'm kinda busy...we'll see how things work out though, I may still enter.

Ok ok, more than one person is entering..
Should have said that I hope i wasn't going to be the only one with a competitive entry...

Are you saying my picture was no good?

:Killburn's picture comment:
If I got hit by a bazooka shell, the least of my worries would be falling too the ground.

:Killburn's picture comment:
If I got hit by a bazooka shell, the least of my worries would be falling too the ground.There must have been an awful lot of sidespin on that shell to get him to land over there...

Are you saying my picture was no good?Doh!
*slaps himself*
Sorry, Vader, but I don't think your picture is no good. Forgive me for making you think that :(

Doh!
*slaps himself*
Sorry, Vader, but I don't think your picture is no good. Forgive me for making you think that :(

;)

I was just displaying my competitive side.

http://i11.tinypic.com/29vnk83.jpg
ok its not like i tried or anything, just couldnt think of muich else to do... :p

and no that is not a finger, tis a thumb!

It's not like I'm gonna work on it anymore, and so close to the closing date of this compo, I hereby show my entry to you guys :D
Eat your heart out (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/44647478/)!

if those two things with the hearts are worms then I guess that pic technically counts, but it looks like they were just kinda tacked on as an afterthought.

That picture must have taken far too long to make. Top marks for persistence.
I was going to enter this competition, but never had the patience in the end.

if those two things with the hearts are worms then I guess that pic technically counts, but it looks like they were just kinda tacked on as an afterthought.I fitted those in at version 8, that's 6 days after I started out. At that time there were a bunch of meteors and the breaking dam.
I had to edit the shades on that alot ><

--edit--
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paintcompo2006animtr3.gif
version history 50% of the original size. it's around 300kb..

That picture must have taken far too long to make. Top marks for persistence.
I was going to enter this competition, but never had the patience in the end.
Yes, but not that long, Apoc copy-pasted the meteors, buildings and other stuff, but it's impressive, nonetheless. :p

Yes, but not that long, Apoc copy-pasted the meteors, buildings and other stuff, but it's impressive, nonetheless. :pI didn't copy-paste the entire meteor! just the core and the tail, because the glow is background dependant.

I fitted those in at version 8, that's 6 days after I started out. At that time there were a bunch of meteors and the breaking dam.
I had to edit the shades on that alot ><either way they look kinda tacked on as an afterthought.

Maybe I'll add some wormy things today.. just to make it really worms-related and not just added-in :p

Ok guys, time's up, show us what you've got!:D

Ok guys, time's up, show us what you've got!:Dtoo late, the contest is over. they don't have any more time to show us what they've got :p

too late, the contest is over. they don't have any more time to show us what they've got :pSo you suggest that I just select the entries posted in the thread and make a poll out of those?
And I still can't see Slick's new version... just the pre-made thingy...
Post your entries! or you will not be able to get into the poll!!!

Can the competition holder enter?

Isn't that cheating? ;)

Can the competition holder enter?

Isn't that cheating? ;)Poll decides.. not me :)
I like to keep things fair you know.. (please guys, post >< )

Poll decides.. not me :)
I like to keep things fair you know.. (please guys, post >< )so what's the new ending date?

Ehm.. let's say... if you don't post your entry before... the 22nd of december, you won't get into the poll.
And 22nd of december ends at 23:59:59 (GMT-8) of the 22nd of december, meaning that around my time, it would be morning the 23rd, and I'll post "NO MORE ENTRIES" and I'll start the poll :)

Can't it end at the end of the Year? Besides, the 22nd is my Birthday.

Ehm.. let's say... if you don't post your entry before... the 22nd of december, you won't get into the poll.
And 22nd of december ends at 23:59:59 (GMT+8) of the 22nd of december, meaning that around my time, it would be evening and I'll post "NO MORE ENTRIES" and I'll start the poll :)

Uhm, 23:59:59 (GMT+8) = 16:49:49 (GMT+1 (Netherlands))... Thats not evening yet.

Uhm, 23:59:59 (GMT+8) = 16:49:49 (GMT+1 (Netherlands))... Thats not evening yet.I mean GMT-8 XD (that should be around the west-American time)
I'll edit it..

Was there a prize for winning this?
If so, I might do another one. Oddly enough the finished copy that I had, I saved over, then photobucket went retarded and you can't veiw it anymore. :-/ oh well.

Was there a prize for winning this?You get to call yourself Mr(s). Paint 2006 :)

I'm changing my entry to this (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43632784/). Done last month. :)

END OF STORY!!!
I found two people who have more than one entry (I skipped earlier versions of pictures)
Paul and Vader, please select your real entry :)
How many items are allowed in a poll?

E-102 Worm - http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43632784/
Vader - http://vader.wurmz.net/images/worms/worm-zombie2.png
Paul Power - http://forum.team17.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=28894&stc=1&d=1163100136
Apocalypse - http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/44647478/
zshowski - http://i11.tinypic.com/29vnk83.jpg
wormthingy - http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43323524/
shadowman - http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1563/paintcomprd7.png
robowurmz - http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43566217/
Xinos - http://forum.team17.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=28934&stc=1&d=1163866876
Kelster23 - http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43157850/
SupSuper - http://forum.team17.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=28906&stc=1&d=1163260067
_Kilburn - http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6726/wormsxh9.png
Gardy Looo - http://www.deviantart.com/view/43029651/
Slick - http://forum.team17.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=28896&stc=1&d=1163124341 (all I found here.. where's the big one??)

My entry is the one that's actually an entry, and not a reissued MAPP strip :rolleyes:.

How many items are allowed in a poll?
IIRC, ten.

That leaves Vader to choose his entry (either the gore of the comic one)
And that would make 4 entries too many for a poll..:(
Dang I hate to choose 4 to remove >_<

I'd like to enter my gore pic.

It's actually one of my favourite pieces of fanart I've drawn, despite it being done in Paint. :)

Edit: Seeing as how I'm not holding this competition I'm not sure how much my opinion is worth but I'd axe the following:

Slick's (it's not a finished piece).
Gardy Looo's (it's only just a valid entry anyway; the worm was an afterthought).

I was going to pick 4 for you but I can't.

How about knockout rounds? It would take a few threads but you could do E-102 Worm vs me and then the winner vs Paul, etc.

slicks finished one is on imageshack/photobucket IIRC

Couldn't there be 2 voting threads just like there were two in some of the previous fanartist of the month compo's?

(either the gore of the comic one)
OR, not "of".. you dutch!

slicks finished one is on imageshack/photobucket IIRClink please? I can't find it...OR, not "of".. you dutch!hoor wie t zegt... typo man XD

[qu*ote=Apoc](either the gore of the comic one)[/qoute]
OR, not "of".. you dutch!


quote, not "qoute" you dutch!

sorry, couldn't resist

quote, not "qoute" you dutch!

sorry, couldn't resistehm.. a 'q' is ALWAYS folowed by a 'u'... nothing to do with being dutch.
What he mentioned was that 'of' in Dutch means 'or' in English... I made a typo, making him think I typed Dutch instead of English.

Anyway, if anyone thinks he doesn't need to enter the poll, please post, because I really, REALLY hate to kick 4 entries out.. :(

How about two polls, each with seven contestants; the top five of each goes to the final poll and the winner wins.

Make 2 polls. Each with half of the entries. Each poll lasting only one day.

When you get the best of each, you make the final poll with the, i don't know, 5 most voted entries.

Four threads for one competition... wow... Ok, I'll be making arrangements for the polls :)