The Wii is coming, so might as well have a thread for it.

Besides, I just wanted to post this.
New Super Smash Bros. Brawl trailer (http://gonintendo.com/?p=7831)

Correct me if Im being stupid here, but since when was Solid Snake a Nintendo character?

Correct me if Im being stupid here, but since when was Solid Snake a Nintendo character?

Well, since now i guess, Pokemon also arent niintendo right?

Snake used to be a nintendo character. Then it got moved to the playstation.
Well, since now i guess, Pokemon also arent niintendo right?
Right.
They are nintendo though.

For the idiots who don't know:

The Wii is released on December 8th
It's £179.99 for just the console.
Also included with the console itself when you buy it is the game Wii sports.
You can pre order the Wii right now if you like.
Type "Wiifind.com" into google.

Most people I know don't know this so i'm posting it.

I bet if you wait till after Christmas the price will plummet.

That title sounds like a lightsabre battle...

Type "Wiifind.com" into google.

Is this just really convoluted and rather stupid advice, or has someone decided that Googlebombing is cheaper than actually registering a domain?

Correct me if Im being stupid here, but since when was Solid Snake a Nintendo character?you......but.......*cries*

http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/metalgear/index.html

Aaah, of course, he was on NES originally.
I assumed he was a playstation only guy.
Duh, he even had a game on the gamecube. Yet again I've posted about a game I know nothing about, and got it embarassingly wrong. I should stop doing that. It doesn't make me look good.

You said it.

Also, there is a new video of the game around there... (smash bros)

They also have fox in it. But I think it looks... weird... I hope they improve it... And show captain falcon soon :D

You said it.

Also, there is a new video of the game around there... (smash bros)

They also have fox in it. But I think it looks... weird... I hope they improve it... And show captain falcon soon :Dwell, they showed a list of characters at the end and capt falcon wasn't in it. you sure he's still in the game?

Aaah, of course, he was on NES originally.
I assumed he was a playstation only guy.
Duh, he even had a game on the gamecube. Yet again I've posted about a game I know nothing about, and got it embarassingly wrong. I should stop doing that. It doesn't make me look good.

No, he was on the MSX originally, as a matter of fact. There was a subpar NES port made.

But back on topic, Brawl looks awesome.

well, they showed a list of characters at the end and capt falcon wasn't in it. you sure he's still in the game?
They're still a year away from release.
Most of the levels we see won't even stay as they are.

And there're also unlockable characters, who won't be in any promo movies.

They're still a year away from release.
Most of the levels we see won't even stay as they are.

And they're also unlockable characters, who won't be in any promo movies.ah, true. you have a good point.

ah, true. you have a good point.

If you notice, the list is:
-Mario
-Link
-Kirby
-Pikachu
-Pit
-Metaknight
-Zero suit Samus
-Wario
-Snake
-Fox

this means: the list is for characters shown in videos :p

Zelda Twilight Princess also comes out at the same time. :)

For the idiots who don't know:

The Wii is released on December 8th
It's £179.99 for just the console.
Also included with the console itself when you buy it is the game Wii sports.
You can pre order the Wii right now if you like.
Type "Wiifind.com" into google.

So, people who don't have access to that information or haven't had a reason to find it out are idiots? Umm... OK.

Most people I know don't know this so i'm posting it.

Most people you know are therefore idiots by your reckoning. Shame, that.


Also, is that Kid Icarus with the wings?

ignorance is not the same as stupidity...

allways have that in mind

well, they showed a list of characters at the end and capt falcon wasn't in it. you sure he's still in the game?

On the box for SSB:M, they only show 14 of about 25 characters. It is only a trailer.

click to determine the wii price in your region, plus more weird stuff (http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?t=30491)

Yes, that is Pit AKA Kid Icarus.

And I thought that your thread was more about the release date of the Wii. This is for the thing AFTER it comes out.
More or less.

www.wiimoveyou.co.uk

;)

Is it just me, or is the "Go Nintendo" website down?

Mario Galaxy looks pretty fun. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuDGvYDW9ys)
Whee. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUnFQIArC_I)

Looks a bit confusing at first, but it's gotta be fun.

Did anyone else watch Gamespot's live feed yesterday?

For Videogame journalists they sure sucked. I got the impresion that none of the people playing had actually played a zelda game before, apart from the guy with the laptop, who's sugestions were largely ignored.

They walked around the opening village, skipped through all the useful dialouge telling them how to, you know, advance the game, then spent half an hour chasing a cat around. when they finally got the fishing rod it took another twenty minutes to actually catch a fish (guess what, they skipped the dialouge instructing them how to use the damn thing), most of which was spent laughing at the fishing lure.

During their confused ramblings one of them uttered the imortal phrase "This is why I play sports games".

It was like watching a monkey trying to put on a hat.:p

Did anyone else watch Gamespot's live feed yesterday?

For Videogame journalists they sure sucked. I got the impresion that none of the people playing had actually played a zelda game before, apart from the guy with the laptop, who's sugestions were largely ignored.

They walked around the opening village, skipped through all the useful dialouge telling them how to, you know, advance the game, then spent half an hour chasing a cat around. when they finally got the fishing rod it took another twenty minutes to actually catch a fish (guess what, they skipped the dialouge instructing them how to use the damn thing), most of which was spent laughing at the fishing lure.

During their confused ramblings one of them uttered the imortal phrase "This is why I play sports games".

It was like watching a monkey trying to put on a hat.:p
I can imagine it.
And great SMG videos Iguana. I'm exited now.

Nintendo knows what people like.
GLOWING THINGS.

So they've made...
GLOWING GIFT CARDS.
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7497/wiitargetgiftcarddu7.jpg
I want to go buy a couple hundred of these now.

Nintendo knows what people like.
GLOWING THINGS.

So they've made...
GLOWING GIFT CARDS.
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7497/wiitargetgiftcarddu7.jpg
I want to go buy a couple hundred of these now.hey awesome! that card matches my computer, keyboard, speakers, monitor, cell phone, and various other tech devices that I have :D

Y IT DOSENT GLOW RED???? :mad:i

Because apparantly blue is a restful colour for eyes.

also because the wii led is the same color blue

Blue LEDs are new and exciting. Red ones are so 20th century.

Blue LEDs are new and exciting.
Newish, yeah. I have a Sega Dreamcast that has a blue light. Further proof that Sega was way ahead of it's time.:(

Newish, yeah. I have a Sega Dreamcast that has a blue light. Further proof that Sega was way ahead of it's time.:(

Too far ahead. They always tried to do things the technology just couldn't take yet. Online play before anyone had broadband. Games on the UMDs before little screens were any good. Colour handhelds before in-built rechargable batteries were commonplace. Sonic games on the Master System.

Y IT DOSENT GLOW RED???? :mad:i
Because a red glow is evil.
Haven't you ever seen Tron?

Because a red glow is evil.
Haven't you ever seen Tron?

But evil is cool:cool:

Excite Truck failed. (http://www.gamespot.com/wii/driving/excitetruck/index.html?tag=topten;_title;0) Not that I expected more from it, though.
Rayman RR (http://wii.ign.com/articles/746/746378p1.html) is apparently more like Wario Ware with a plot than an actual platform game. While it seems fun, I'm still waiting for a proper sequel to Rayman 3.

And apparently the controls in Zelda are pretty crappy (http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/thelegendofzelda/review.html?sid=6161993&page=2). I knew games that weren't originally meant to be released on the Wii aren't going to work that well. I think this would've been much more impressive if it came out on its original launch date, since the visuals seem sort of dated now. Especially since the Wii is above the old Xbox in power, and I doubt many parts of TP wouldn't have been possible on a PS2. The Wii's inbuilt speakers also seem pretty pointless.

Then again, it's Zelda; there's a reason why I always lost sleep just to finish the last dungeon in both Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker. Zelda games have been fantastic since Ocarina, and I enjoyed every bit of each game. I'll probably get the Gamecube one if it comes out in Europe, and if it doesn't, some gimmicky controls won't stop me from experiencing the next big Zelda game.

As for the Wii, I hope this is a 'gimmicky DS launch title' type of thing, and the really good games are going to come out soon enough. I'm still going to wait for Smash Bros to come out, but the fact that the only Wii game I'm really interested in so far doesn't even use the Wiimote is pretty sad.

Edit: God damnit, why must every Wii launch title suck? (http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/redsteel/review.html)

Nintendo knows what people like.
GLOWING THINGS.

So they've made...
GLOWING GIFT CARDS.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7497/wiitargetgiftcarddu7.jpg
I want to go buy a couple hundred of these now. What exact point does a glowing gift card serve? THIS is what is wrong with the world, people. A little something called overkill.

Anyway, lets play match the nintendo characters.
Mario -> Wario
Luigi -> wassnamesoundslikeluigi (Maluigi?)
pikachu -> lol no.
kirby -> evil cool dude with the maske and sword.
What have I missed now?

Some poor ******* playing the Wii for a week straight. (http://www.xanga.com/yoshismadness)
Watch him die of exhsaustion. :)

Too far ahead. They always tried to do things the technology just couldn't take yet. Online play before anyone had broadband. Games on the UMDs before little screens were any good. Colour handhelds before in-built rechargable batteries were commonplace. Sonic games on the Master System.Would the Mega PC fall into that category?

Saying that, I thoroughly enjoyed mine, although of course if I'd owned an ordinary Mega Drive I might still actually own it (and be even more of a nostalgic :p)

Anyway, lets play match the nintendo characters.
Mario -> Wario
Luigi -> wassnamesoundslikeluigi (Maluigi?)
pikachu -> lol no.
kirby -> evil cool dude with the maske and sword.
What have I missed now?

Mario-Wario

It was from a game called mario land 2, for the game boy, and it was to make a evil character like mario, but evil.Since then, it had a good catch in the public, and started to have his own games.

Luigi-Waluigi

Totally agree with you. It was not needed to create that monstruosity.

kirby-MetaKnight

MetaKnight comes from Kirby's adventure, for the NES (Well, that's old).
In that game, almost all the characters had that shape: round, and like kirby. It's just one of the "cooler" characters from the game, and again, it had a good catch, but not like wario had.
The fact of being round is just from the same game.

Pikachu-Pichu (for Smash bros melee, as you named it)

It seems like Pichu is the pre-evolution of Pikachu. But I don't think it fitted too well... I prefered that Mewtwo in... (at least, it's more serious than a cute yellow rat, and a pink ballon with huge eyes)



As I may say, overuse? maybe, but learn about them before, then talk. (Come on, you didn't know half of their names...)

Luigi-Waluigi

Totally agree with you. It was not needed to create that monstruosity.And why the heck wasn't he called Gammauigi? :p

WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!! :D

*continues chasing that damned hell-spawn cat on Zelda* :mad:

Mario-Wario

It was from a game called mario land 2, for the game boy, and it was to make a evil character like mario, but evil.Since then, it had a good catch in the public, and started to have his own games.

And let's not forget Eario and 3ario. (Turn the M on the side)
They're coming next.

WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!! :D

*continues chasing that damned hell-spawn cat on Zelda* :mad:
I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE!
Well I don't, but YOU will tell me! GYAAHAHAHA.
And I'm stealing your Wii.
Of course you can save yourself this whole ordeal and just hand it over to me. C'mon, you know you want to!:mad:

As I may say, overuse? maybe, but learn about them before, then talk. (Come on, you didn't know half of their names...)...You want to do research?
eww.

WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!! :D

*continues chasing that damned hell-spawn cat on Zelda* :mad:

Bastage D:<

Out of curiosity, does Wii Sports come with cricket?

(Not that it would be easy. Imagine trying to bowl with a Wiimote - potential lightshade destruction I feel...)

...You want to do research?
eww.

Nope, I just knew it. I prefered nintendo before PS, and when I had a spraint last year, I had too much time to wander, and got some nes roms. Also, I have that Mario Land 2 for the game boy. And wario land, wich rocked.

No research needed. Just good memory.

Out of curiosity, does Wii Sports come with cricket?

And Paul's incredible desire to swing the topic toward cricket strikes again. :p

No, it doesn't.

And Paul's incredible desire to swing the topic toward cricket strikes again. :p

No, it doesn't.The Ashes start tomorrow at midnight (GMT)

I won't be able to talk about anything else until the New Year

You have been warned.

And Paul's incredible desire to swing the topic toward cricket strikes again. :p
Look on the bright side, at least he didn't mention Sonic yet.
Here's some Bleach (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlW0RxTKCME), which I'll probably never get to play. Damn that region lock, damn it to hell.

Nope, I just knew it. I prefered nintendo before PS, and when I had a spraint last year, I had too much time to wander, and got some nes roms. Also, I have that Mario Land 2 for the game boy. And wario land, wich rocked.

No research needed. Just good memory.Oh, dude, sorry. I meant that you were telling ME to do research. I just never managed to type "me" between the word "want" and the word "to". Thus I meant something completely different and have therefore never doubted your faith in nintendo. The world is good again.

your faith in nintendo

Nah, my faith goes for more important things. It's just... another style, and I like it more. Actually, I don't say anything on PlayStation... or Xbox, or anything. They are just very different.

The world is good again

yay!

I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE!
Well I don't, but YOU will tell me! GYAAHAHAHA.
And I'm stealing your Wii.
Of course you can save yourself this whole ordeal and just hand it over to me. C'mon, you know you want to!:mad:actually, I'm QUITE sure I wanna keep a hold on it myself.

Bastage D:<yes, yes I am. but look at it this way, I'm getting ass-raped by battery prices, and you're not :p

Out of curiosity, does Wii Sports come with cricket?

(Not that it would be easy. Imagine trying to bowl with a Wiimote - potential lightshade destruction I feel...)nope, no cricket on wii sports. and as for the lamp shade bowling thing, it's not too bad, but before you load up any of the wii sports games a little warning DOES come up saying to be sure you're in an area with nothing to smack in to. :D

also, believe not the nay-sayers about Twilight Princess. the truth has been revealed and it is good (though the sword slashing should've been kept to a button press rather than a remote waving. it feels rather pointless and starts to hurt the wrists before long.....or maybe that's cause I've been playing for 8 hours at a time....)

feels rather pointless and starts to hurt the wrists before long.....or maybe that's cause I've been playing for 8 hours at a time....)

Surely your wrists are used to that kind of treatment already.





:p

BUUUURRRRRRNNNN!!!
actually, I'm QUITE sure I wanna keep a hold on it myself.
Fine, I'll let you keep it if you give me a PS3. Eh? :D .

Surely your wrists are used to that kind of treatment already.





:pWhy are you not banned yet? Lol.:rolleyes:

yes, yes I am. but look at it this way, I'm getting ass-raped by battery prices, and you're not :pWhy not use rechargeables then?

Why not use rechargeables then?

From what I hear is that your not suppost to. Rechargeable batterys only get charged a certain amount each time they charge, that can lead to some problems such as batterys bursting open and ect. Soo..I think Alkiline batterys only? Not sure.
I'm definatly not getting a Wii untill they get a remote charger or somthing, or maybe a plug in that just goes back to the Wii to get power that way.

Why are you not banned yet? Lol.:rolleyes:
Everyone loves me. :o :) :( :mad:

Surely your wrists are used to that kind of treatment already.





:pOH SNAP!

Everyone loves me. :o :) :( :mad:With an avatar like that, who wouldn't?

(though the sword slashing should've been kept to a button press rather than a remote waving. it feels rather pointless and starts to hurt the wrists before long.....or maybe that's cause I've been playing for 8 hours at a time....)

Ah crap. Well that's me screwed for my GCSE Exams...

Ah crap. Well that's me screwed for my GCSE Exams...

And me for the Leaving Cert, talk about bad timing. I've gotta wait until June to get the Wii unless I want to fail the exams.

Still, at least by that stage games like Guper Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Brothers Brawl will be out.

From what I hear is that your not suppost to. Rechargeable batterys only get charged a certain amount each time they charge, that can lead to some problems such as batterys bursting open and ect. Soo..I think Alkiline batterys only? Not sure.Doubt it, ancient nickel cadmiums might have problems, your modern NiMh rechargeables can be charged for a year and not leak, and have no problems charging and discharging regularily either. They tent to outlast non-rechargables in most electronic items too.

/me dislikes duracell. Non-rechargables are a waste of money and resources.

Ah crap. Well that's me screwed for my GCSE Exams...You can do GCSEs standing on on your head without any revision, don't even bother to worry :P

You can do GCSEs standing on on your head without any revision, don't even bother to worry :P

It's not the revision or work that troubles me. I do however, need to be able to write.

Use the hand you don't write with to play wii games. Problem solved.

Learning to write with both hands also works.

Use the hand you don't write with to play wii games. Problem solved.

I find my left-hand could write significantly better than my right hand normally does when my right hand is out of action. When my right hand is useable though, my left hand goes back to being a lazy thing again.
It got a bit confusing when I had to go through Maths lessons left-handed though...


Also, the idea of ambidexterity really does sound appealing.

I haven't actually had to use any batteries for a while. Everything's going the rechargable route.
And I should really use rechargable batteries more. They're nifty.

I find my left-hand could write significantly better than my right hand normally does when my right hand is out of action. When my right hand is useable though, my left hand goes back to being a lazy thing again.
It got a bit confusing when I had to go through Maths lessons left-handed though...


Also, the idea of ambidexterity really does sound appealing. I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrus.

Just had to say that. So, where were we with wii'ing?

I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrus.

But then you'd only be right on one side, on account of you not having a 2nd side, meaning you couldn't be ambidextrous!

It's safe to ignore this post

What members own a Wii? Just wanna know.

Not me. Only console I have is the good old Dreamcast.:p Oh, and my old Mega Drive.

What members own a Wii? Just wanna know.

I wouldn't imagine that many. It's only been out in the America area for a week.

...I swear we just had this conversation in another wii thread.

Its the forum version of Deja Vu.:-/

Acording to multiple sources, Zelda Twilight Princess is going to be a huge game and absolutely amazing. The oficial British Nintendo magazine said you could VERY ALMOST call it a true sequal to Ocarnia of Time.


...AND, it's the game i've pre-ordered with my Wii so i'm happy.

Acording to multiple sources, Zelda Twilight Princess is going to be a huge game and absolutely amazing. The oficial British Nintendo magazine said you could VERY ALMOST call it a true sequal to Ocarnia of Time.


...AND, it's the game i've pre-ordered with my Wii so i'm happy.

*faints*

Yay!

The oficial British Nintendo magazine said you could VERY ALMOST call it a true sequal to Ocarnia of Time.
Uh, surely it is a true sequel to OoT, what with it being a sequel and all.

OoT has had two sequels already, what make the third one less true?

Also, any games magazine with 'Official' in the ttle is guarenteed to be a biased piece of crap. :p

*faints*

Yay!Surely that would only work in the opposite order?

Surely that would only work in the opposite order?

One would probably think that... Fortunatly, I don't.

Uh, surely it is a true sequel to OoT, what with it being a sequel and all.

Not a Zelda fan, are we?

The Zelda games aren't really a series. The characters are fairly constant, and the items and game mechanics have hardly changed, but the plots and legends and back-stories don't really match up. To be honest, they're matching up better these days, but nobody really cares because they don't expect them to.

Heck, Wind Waker's storyline had nothing much to do with any of the other games at all until the last possible minute, and even then it was barely more than a passing nod, albeit a brilliant one.

Not a Zelda fan, are we?

The Zelda games aren't really a series. The characters are fairly constant, and the items and game mechanics have hardly changed, but the plots and legends and back-stories don't really match up. To be honest, they're matching up better these days, but nobody really cares because they don't expect them to.

Heck, Wind Waker's storyline had nothing much to do with any of the other games at all until the last possible minute, and even then it was barely more than a passing nod, albeit a brilliant one.
Actually, most Zelda fans always try to find a continuity to the series. While each game always references past titles' events somehow, there are tons of apparent plot holes. A Link to the Past is supposed to take place after OoT, even though the seven sages in ALttP are all human, and (correct me if I'm wrong) male, as opposed to the wide variety of races and genders of Ocarina's sages. And let's not forget all the Capcom games that have almost no relation to past titles at all, such as Minish Cap. Minish tribes and Picori blades? What the hell?

I also recall an old interview with the Twilight Princess staff claiming that TP takes place a few years after OoT, which makes no sense and creates one hell of a plot hole. According to Wind Waker's intro, Ganon broke loose of the Seven Sages' seal from OoT and started yet another war for the Triforce, causing the gods to flood all of Hyrule. It also clearly mentions that no descendant of the Hero of Time ever returned, which completely ruins the OOT-TP relation.

However, the main 3D, pre-Twilight Princess Zeldas seem very closely linked to me (pun not intended). Wind Waker's intro is a near perfect synopsis of OoT's plot, and the whole game is filled with references to the Hero of Time, the Kokiri tribe and everything else, not to mention the whole world looks like an evolved version of OoT's universe. The only thing that doesn't add up is the way WW's main character couldn't have been related to the Hero of Time (aka OoT link), since he was trapped in Termina according to Majora's mask, which was obviously a direct sequel to OoT. However, I think the Wind Waker version of Link wasn't really meant to be a direct descendant of the Hero of Time (like Zelda), but more of a spiritual successor. Which is a lot deeper and Zelda-ish. :p

Actually, most Zelda fans always try to find a continuity to the series.
Well, fans will always do that kind of thing. Fans buy Klingon phrasebooks and have all their rings engraved in Elvish. Fans aren't to be trusted.

The fact is that in general there's no coherent continuing story to the Zelda games. They're not an epic saga. They're a dozen or so excellent stand-alone tales, and to try to read anything much more than that into them is futile.

To be honest I think it's for the best. I'd rather each game be as good as possible than have them limited by a story linking them all. If I want a good story I'll read a book.

Not a Zelda fan, are we?
*Cracks knuckles*

Right.

Not counting the even more vauge Gameboy and Fourswords games there are FIVE direct sequels to OoT.

The most obvious being Majora's Mask, which features the same Link.

Twilght Princess, I've yet to play it, but it features a verry similar world to OoT, with a lot of the same locations.

A Link to the Past, the least obvious because it was released before OoT. OoT is a Prequel to ALTTP.

Windwaker. Directly references the events from ALTTP

Phantom Hourglass, sequel to WW.

Iguana, Twilight Princess doesn't neccissarily mess up the story at the start of WW (Which was a legend, and intended to be vauge as hell). It only says that a new link didn't turn up after Gannon came back, and as far as I can tell Gannon isn't in TP (although I could easily be wrong).

The most obvious being Majora's Mask, which features the same Link...

...in a different world with different characters and not one plot crossover, and apparently no memory of the events of OoT. It doesn't continue, or even mention the story. It doesn't advance the characters. It has nothing at all to do with OoT aside from the fact that it has the same character in it. And Wind Waker features an entirely different cast, in another entirely different world.

I would have thought that if Nintendo Magazine have made a point of calling Twilight Princess "almost a true sequel" it would have a bit more connection than that -- say be set soon after and feature the same characters and locations. Which you just said it does. Which was exactly my point. (Although personally I wouldn't trust Nintendo Magazine to tell me the name of Nintendo's next console.)

Wrong.

The main link between OoT and MM is, apropriately enough, Link, but it is by no means the only one. Epona, The skull kid and the occarina of time are directly from OoT.

The Game starts somewhere in the Lost woods, a location from Oot. Link's entire motivation for being there is to look for Navi.

The rest of the game may take place in an entirely different world (I asssume the returning character models are entirely due to Nintendo wanting to speed up game development), but that's besides the point. It doesn't continue the story of OoT because there really is no story left no continue with young link (technically the events in OoT haven't actually happened yet).

It is a True Sequel.

As for Windwaker, the world is very clearly the same one as in OoT, but it has Changed a lot. The Deku tree and the Koroks (or whatever) in WW are descendants of the Deku tree and the Kokori in OoT. The Rito could concievably be descendants of the Zoras in OoT (The zora sage seems to sugest this).

In this case the world is the same, and it continues the Plot of OoT. True sequel.

Iguana, Twilight Princess doesn't neccissarily mess up the story at the start of WW (Which was a legend, and intended to be vauge as hell). It only says that a new link didn't turn up after Gannon came back, and as far as I can tell Gannon isn't in TP (although I could easily be wrong).

The Wikipedia says he is. I think...

Anyway, the legend at the Start of WW seems to be very much based on the events in OoT. It mentions the Hero of Time. It mentions that the Hero travelled across time.

I would say TP comes somewhere between there, and might be a story that was forgotton by the time the WW story starts.


In my view, the only Zelda games that have any real link to each other are: OoT - MM - WW (possibly with TP).

Link to the Past isn't one I played much and don't really see where it fits in there.

I also recall an old interview with the Twilight Princess staff claiming that TP takes place a few years after OoT, which makes no sense and creates one hell of a plot hole. According to Wind Waker's intro, Ganon broke loose of the Seven Sages' seal from OoT and started yet another war for the Triforce, causing the gods to flood all of Hyrule. It also clearly mentions that no descendant the Hero of Time ever returned, which completely ruins the OOT-TP relation.

It says the Hero of Time never returned. However, who are we to say that the TP Link doesnt lead up to him "awakeing" the gods or somthing? I don't really know. :p
As for saying this takes place in a few years after OoT, I would have to say it would be at least a hundred years or somthing. WW is hundreds of years after OoT. It can fit in there.
Also it mentioned in the intro to WW, that the darkness begain filling the land, or taking it over, kind of like the "twilight".

Doesnt 'a true sequel' usually mean 'as good as that other one we still drool over'?
I thought it did?

Doesnt 'a true sequel' usually mean 'as good as that other one we still drool over'?
I thought it did?

No. That's what is called an amazing sequel.

And I thought Sonic continuity was whacked. At least there's only one Sonic. He may have been on several different worlds, but...

Wrong.

[blah blah blah]

It is a True Sequel.

[blah blah blah]

True sequel.

See, now you're just quibbling over semantics. I am saying that the phrase "true sequel" is open to interpretation and that perhaps we should give ONM the benefit of the doubt and assume that when they declared Twilight Princess "almost a true sequel" they meant "true sequel" to mean that it continued the story, with the same characters and locations -- which apparently it does -- and not arbitrarily assume that "true sequel" means "something set in the same general universe with one returning character and set at some indeterminate point after the original" and then deride them for saying something stupid.

I'm not trying to argue this either way, but I think you're missing the point of that.

And for the record, I don't care at all about the continuity between Zelda games.

one thing that annoys me: people talking about repetitive games...

on the excite truck review, the guy said that it gets repetitive...

OK, how about if we check some other games?

-Any well known normal football (soccer) game, like pro evolution. All you do is matches... and all the matches follow the same rules... and the only thing changing is the colour of the guys, and slightly on their speed and that... BUT PEOPLE WON'T SAY IT'S REPETITIVE BECAUSE OF ITS NAME.

-F1 games: Those TRULY are annoying. all you do is the same... OVER 60 LAPS! I tried one, and now I hate them. The friend that used it for the first time on his ps, too. BUT AGAIN, THEY ARE SO WELL KNOWN, THAT NOBODY WILL SAY IT.

What I say is that the game isn't worse... it's just that other well known games, claiming to be better, are the same or more repetitive...

Also, they also said that the textures were bad... well, if you go so fast, why you need it to be perfect?

I don't complain about the rest. Just want to show some things I see or think.

Well, all games are repetive. I can't think of any game where gameplay is constantly changing. But what I think he means is that it's repetive in such a way that you don't feel the need to do it all again.

Any MMORPG is very repetive, kill monsters, gain some exp, sell the loot, repeat. But they're still fun enough to keep people hooked.

Well, Conker's Bad Fur Day was very varied, and some FPS games have enough different styles of play to keep them interesting. Or they can have many options, or MarioKart style radically different tracks (Baby park plays nothing like any other course).

Sports sims get away with it because they're supposed to simulate sports. You can't really blame them for intrinsic flaws in the sport, and people who think the sport is tedious would be mad to buy the games.

What about Wario Ware, Baito Hell, Rhythm Tengoku and other minigame collections? Or dare I say it, Mario Party?

There are also some games which are entirely based on using one simple gimmick to create tons of innovative and entertaining experiences. Take Mischief Makers for instance: you can only grab and shake things. Despite that, the levels range from simple platforming, controlling a giant block creature over large groups of enemies, riding various animals while deflecting a boss enemy's projectiles and many others, all in about six hours of gameplay. The Japan-only N64 game Sin and Punishment (also done by Treasure) is another great example of this. I've also heard Sillhouette Mirage and Ikaruga use similar gameplay styles, though I've never played them.

Most of you probably haven't heard of those titles before, but I personally prefer a short yet clever and entertaining game to collecting 120 shiny things or simulating a boring real life sport for 40 hours.

FPS/RPG games like Deus Ex 1 and System Shock 2 have quite some replay value as they provide multiple solutions to problems which can be achieved by many different styles of play.

FPS/RPG games like Deus Ex 1 and System Shock 2 have quite some replay value as they provide multiple solutions to problems which can be achieved by many different styles of play.

Yes, but they're all pre-programmed, aren't they? Really you should be naming a FPS game where you have a pre-programmed environment, rather than a pre-programmed mission. In either of those games you can count the solutions to any given problem on one hand. In real life there could be hundreds of ways to infiltrate a building. But I'll let you off because nobody has programmes duch a game yet (although I think Theif came close, but I haven't played it).

If you think carefully, there are some games in wich you can play as you want. What I think as examples:

-Kirby: there is such a variety of abilities, that you can try redoing anything... and it's quite different from each other. (ok, some powers are not worth that, but fighter and hammer are quite different, for example, and worth using)

-Smash bros: that is quite a lot of variety... 25 characters, (almost) all different... things we did:
---Jiggly nap matches: only using down-B makes you do such a powerful hit, that can knock out, but it's inaccurate, and you get asleep after it... 3 jigglys and a friend trying to survive... worth trying XD
---Kamikaze kirby: I use the red kirby and try to swallow people... and suicide with them in. I don't mind loosing, just taking them with me :D
---Ice party: 4 ice climber couples... chaos...
---Random characters: you get a random character. Do your best.
---Stamina: instead of %, you have HP. It's included, but not very known, but it's quite funny... (Pichu suiciding while attacking is hilarious)

-Mario party: all those minigames make the game have a lot of variety. I mean, each game is different.


If not, you can actually grab any game and make your own "challenges" if you get bored, like ending a level without touching ground, or things like that... But again, this depends on the game.

If not, you can actually grab any game and make your own "challenges" if you get bored, like ending a level without touching ground, or things like that... But again, this depends on the game.
That's it; if a game requires making your own challenges to keep yourself busy, it probably means it's either too easy or needs more variety (such as multiple ways to solve each problem). This doesn't apply to old classics which you've beaten 100% before, though.

Yes, but they're all pre-programmed, aren't they? Really you should be naming a FPS game where you have a pre-programmed environment, rather than a pre-programmed mission. In either of those games you can count the solutions to any given problem on one hand. In real life there could be hundreds of ways to infiltrate a building. But I'll let you off because nobody has programmes duch a game yet (although I think Theif came close, but I haven't played it).
Nah, I have played Thief 1 and 2 and you don't have as much freedom as in Deus Ex 1.
In Deus Ex you had at least 3 major routes you could take to solve a problem in every level, with smaller variations on each. System Shock 2 gives the player less freedom than Deus Ex though.

The only candidate I could think of beating Deus Ex 1 freedom-wise would have been Amen: The Awakening (http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/amen-the-awakening/) by Cavedog Entertainment, but it unfortunately has been cancelled around the year 2000.

Guys guys stop arguing. The british nintendo mag didn't mean very almost sequal as in next part of the story they meant very almost sequal to OOT as in TP being very almost an equal game in quality and good-game-ness (<---Made up phrase) as OOT. Because with OOT being such a popular game when it came out and etc.

That's it; if a game requires making your own challenges to keep yourself busy, it probably means it's either too easy or needs more variety
Why?

If a game allows you to do that, surely that's to its credit?

Nah, I have played Thief 1 and 2 and you don't have as much freedom as in Deus Ex 1.
In Deus Ex you had at least 3 major routes you could take to solve a problem in every level, with smaller variations on each. System Shock 2 gives the player less freedom than Deus Ex though.

What? In Deus Ex you had a mission that you had to complete. Ok, there were a number of ways of doing it. In Theif 1 and 2, you had some objectives and an environment, what you did was up to you.

What? In Deus Ex you had a mission that you had to complete. Ok, there were a number of ways of doing it. In Theif 1 and 2, you had some objectives and an environment, what you did was up to you.
You make it sound like they're the same thing.

You make it sound like they're the same thing.

No, in Deus Ex you were faced with a particular problem to which there were a few ways around it. You had to do it. In Theif 1 and 2, you were often free to ignore that problem and do something different.

If a game allows you to do that, surely that's to its credit?
Sorry if I didn't make my point clearer, but I was refering to things like "3-heart challanges" in games like Wind Waker. If the game had a bit more effort put into it, with harder puzzles, dungeons and enemies, not to mention a larger, more interactive world, chances are people wouldn't need to resort to made up challenges to get more replayability out of it. At least that's my personal opinion.

Sorry if I didn't make my point clearer, but I was refering to things like "3-heart challanges" in games like Wind Waker. If the game had a bit more effort put into it, with harder puzzles, dungeons and enemies, not to mention a larger, more interactive world, chances are people wouldn't need to resort to made up challenges to get more replayability out of it. At least that's my personal opinion.

That sort of thing is inevitable. It would happen with any game, no matter how good in that context.

That sort of thing is inevitable. It would happen with any game, no matter how good in that context.
Thing is, some games are so difficult and have so much unlockable content, making up your own crazy challanges for replayability is both useless and (almost) impossible.

Take the MegaMan Zero series for instance - you're actually rewarded for going through certain challanges (such as playing through the whole game on the highest difficulty setting with only one weapon and no combos), and you're required to go through them if you want to unlock everything in the game.

In a game like Zelda or Final Fantasy, going through the whole thing without using any magic or using any healing items is just a way of making the whole thing needlessly frustrating with no reward at all. It's almost like saying Sneak King is a difficult and well thought out game because you can play it blindfolded, making an advertising title about delivering burgers as the king a harder, more involving experience.

Thing is, some games are so difficult and have so much unlockable content, making up your own crazy challanges for replayability is both useless and (almost) impossible.

Take the MegaMan Zero series for instance - you're actually rewarded for going through certain challanges (such as playing through the whole game on the highest difficulty setting with only one weapon and no combos), and you're required to go through them if you want to unlock everything in the game.

In a game like Zelda or Final Fantasy, going through the whole thing without using any magic or using any healing items is just a way of making the whole thing needlessly frustrating with no reward at all. It's almost like saying Sneak King is a difficult and well thought out game because you can play it blindfolded, making an advertising title about delivering burgers as the king a harder, more involving experience.
It's generally not a good idea to classify all these instances as one section, as it can be both very beneficial, or it can be very tedious, depending on how well it was pulled off.

I played the Wii! It was a huge let down :( In my TOTALLY honest opinion, I gave it a fair chancee and everything!

And dont listen to SB if he tries telling you when I played it and what game it was :)

And dont listen to SB if he tries telling you when I played it and what game it was :)
Ok then, I wont.



Wait, is reading his posts alright with you?

Depends what they say I suppose :)

I played the Wii! It was a huge let down :( In my TOTALLY honest opinion, I gave it a fair chancee and everything!

And dont listen to SB if he tries telling you when I played it and what game it was :)

I don't suppose you could say why?

That's it; if a game requires making your own challenges to keep yourself busy, it probably means it's either too easy or needs more variety (such as multiple ways to solve each problem). This doesn't apply to old classics which you've beaten 100% before, though.

ok, example:

-Worms Armaggedon (OOOooh...): Remember my "Alex Challenges"? well, that.

-New Super Mario Bros: There is a level in which you have to use a lift that goes to the right or left when you step on its right or left, that starts to go up when you first step on it. There are lots of winged turtles (paratroopas) to avoid...
the challenge? enter as mini mario, who falls slower, but one hit and dead, and cannot kill them on a direct jump. Ok, now go to the end, WITHOUT the lift. HARD, but done once.

-Half life 2: Some people had the idea of trying to get to the end, using the gravity gun only... didn't try that one, though.


Well, they aren't bad games, actually...

as for Philby and AT's discussion on TP being a true sequel or not, it most truly is. Wind Waker was held in the same world hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years later when the world has changed quite a bit (covered in water). TP takes place quite a few years later but only in that the same world is older than it was before. the place you start off turns out to be the old Hyrule Castle town from OoT. it's now fallen apart and there are very few traces of the old castle town. so few in fact that I'm something like 75% done and I just now found enough traces to make my conclusion. the rest of the game is held north of the old castle's location. kakariko village has changed but is still there. the zora domain is around as well, but these two locales are in areas that, unless mountains move by themselves, don't make much sense.

as far as the story of TP goes, it reveals a large amount of information about the lore. TP takes place after the sages have place the final seal on ganon after one of his last crusades to take over the world. unfortunately he's not been quietted even from there and as such he finds a way to reak havoc in another form, but I'll save that for you to find out on your own (whereas some of that plot may be obvious, other parts aren't so much). based on events so far (mainly one major plot twist involving zelda) it seems that TP will be the last as far as the continuity goes. As for the point raised about the sages being all human rather than the many races from OoT, the next election must have resulted in a power loss by the zora and goron races, because now the sages are once again all human. in fact, they're the same sages from ALTTP as is evidenced in the presence of the bombos medallion being present in a few places (I haven't actually looked for the other medallions, but I will assume they're there), as well as a few new medallions not present before, such as one that appears to be of the Zoras.

in the end, the continuity is VERY connected to the old games, making it a true sequel to the main continuity found in OoT, ALTTP, and others along that line of history.

as far as the gameplay goes, OoT can kiss my ass, TP owns face. alright, so I'm not going to THAT extreme, but TP is definitely as fun as if not moreso than OoT was and is full of enough nostalgia that you'll definitely feel you're playing the same game. the induction of new tricks on old weapons (such as the magnetic pads that play with the iron boots, the new wind control on the boomerang, and the added functionality of the hookshot), as well as entirely new weapons (such as a ball and chain as off the guards in ALTTP, or the entire series of moves available to the wolf), as well as the new sword techniques that you can learn from the skull knight seen in many screens, makes for a really interesting new gameplay experience. the musical elements from OoT are still around, though the ocarina sounded infinitely better than the wolf's howling does now.

in the end, Twilight Princess is DEFINITELY the next greatest zelda game, and is an amazingly good representation of what Zelda is truly about.

based on events so far (mainly one major plot twist involving zelda) it seems that TP will be the last as far as the continuity goes.
Actually, the DS one is sort of a sequel to Wind Waker, since it takes place a few months after that game's ending and features the same cast of characters.

But anyway, now I feel like resisting the urge to sell my Gamecube, get a PS2 at a low price and enjoy all the past classics I've missed on for being a Nintendo fanboy. While I'm not getting a Wii just yet, I'll probably have to get the Gamecube Zelda TP this holiday season; I sort of feel like playing it more than Kingdom Hearts, Katamari and Disgaea right now. Damn Nintendo's mind control. :p

And dont listen to SB if he tries telling you when I played it and what game it was :)

You mean Wii Sports in bloody GAME? :p

You mean Wii Sports in bloody GAME? :p
GAHAH!
I recall playing a PS2 with NFS2 in a terrible demo station here. I hated the game itself and the controls. Does that mean PS2 is a bad console? Hell no; I still regret picking a Gamecube over it.

Hell no; I still regret picking a Gamecube over it.

HETHEN!

I actually don't care. Don't devolop this.

HETHEN!

I actually don't care. Don't devolop this.
Starting arguments over pieces of hardware is always stupid. Plus, I've also had tons of fun with a GC if that makes you 'tendo fanboys happy. I can't be arsed to check my full SSBM gameplay time, but it's pretty damn high. :p

I actually don't care. Don't devolop this.

:rolleyes:

Actually, the DS one is sort of a sequel to Wind Waker, since it takes place a few months after that game's ending and features the same cast of characters. well, I've found out I was wrong about the zelda thing, but either way your statement was pointless :p

But anyway, now I feel like resisting the urge to sell my Gamecube, get a PS2 at a low price and enjoy all the past classics I've missed on for being a Nintendo fanboy. While I'm not getting a Wii just yet, I'll probably have to get the Gamecube Zelda TP this holiday season; I sort of feel like playing it more than Kingdom Hearts, Katamari and Disgaea right now. Damn Nintendo's mind control. :pby getting TP on the GC, you'll actually come out better. swinging the wiimote to slash the sword is completely pointless. the aiming the hookshot, bow, and everything else is QUITE fun with the wiimote, but using a GC controller wouldn't take away much.

anyway, I've just beaten Twilight Princess and I have just one thing to say: THAT'S what I call a boss battle! WOOO!!!!:D

anyway, I've just beaten Twilight Princess and I have just one thing to say: THAT'S what I call a boss battle! WOOO!!!!:D

Dammit! I still need to wait for a bit...

anyway, I've just beaten Twilight Princess and I have just one thing to say: THAT'S what I call a boss battle! WOOO!!!!:D

...?

OH I GET IT! The Wii is already out in america is it? Dang i'm so jealous. We comes out this friday (December 8th) in britain and my Wii should arive that day (Because I've pre-ordered it) but I can't play it till christmas because it's a christmas present. :(

by getting TP on the GC, you'll actually come out better. swinging the wiimote to slash the sword is completely pointless. the aiming the hookshot, bow, and everything else is QUITE fun with the wiimote, but using a GC controller wouldn't take away much.
o_O You have confirmed my greatest fears and my mind is finally made! *votes PS3*

by getting TP on the GC, you'll actually come out better. swinging the wiimote to slash the sword is completely pointless. the aiming the hookshot, bow, and everything else is QUITE fun with the wiimote, but using a GC controller wouldn't take away much.

Being the fanboy I am, I may get both :p

o_O You have confirmed my greatest fears and my mind is finally made! *votes PS3*what the hell? because zelda's control scheme on this version was tacked on as an after thought you're resigning the wii to be crap and going with the PS3 instead?? that makes absolutely NO sense. TP was a port of a gamecube game, and with the wiimote it's pretty hard to do a direct port like that without it feeling kinda lame. what's the big deal? it's not like TP is a bad game because of it, it just doesnt' gain anything from being on the Wii.

besides, getting a PS3 right now is stupid. honestly, unless someone just couldn't wait for resistence, anyone with a PS3 right now is a complete and utter moron. I give the resistence fans their credit, as I probably would've bought it now for the game and then just waited for more good games to come out as well. everyone else, however, has spent $600 on a peice of hardware that is completely useless right now. the launch titles were horrendous.

so question: why discount the wii because zelda was a half-decent job at porting the game over to the new system? and why get a PS3 when it's a waste of money right now? :confused:

Im not completely disregarding the Wii on what you said alone. I was still only just considering it, and as there are NO games on the Wii i am really looking forward to (except smash brothers (1 game!) and zelda WOULD be good but i could get it on the far cheaper gamecube) whereas PS3 has many. (Just looking at sequels, nevermind the original stuff like [that crowded middle ages game thing].

Also, by the time I get the PS3 (it isnt even out over here till MARCH and im not paying £500 :)) there will be PLENTY of games I cant WAIT to play :)

and zelda WOULD be good but i could get it on the far cheaper gamecube
DO you have a gamecube?

DO you have a gamecube?
No :p But Im sure I could get it second hand for under £50
Dont like many of the games though, except smash brothers :D

Also, by the time I get the PS3 (it isnt even out over here till MARCH and im not paying £500 :)) there will be PLENTY of games I cant WAIT to play :)
What does the PS3's supposed superiority have to do with a thread about the Wii?
I agree though, the Wii's launch titles aren't all that good. I suppose it'll take a year to get the truly innovative and non-gimmicky things to come out, just like the DS.

No :p
Then I think I can say that no, you wouldn't go out and get it for the gamecube.
I'm saying this safetly because I'm comfident that you don't have that money to burn. Hence why you aren't gettting bout a PS3 and a Wii.

What does the PS3's supposed superiority have to do with a thread about the Wii?
I agree though, the Wii's launch titles aren't all that good. I suppose it'll take a year to get the truly innovative and non-gimmicky things to come out, just like the DS.
I was answering a query by Aku iirc, maybe countering something he said I dunno

Then I think I can say that no, you wouldn't go out and get it for the gamecube.
I'm saying this safetly because I'm comfident that you don't have that money to burn. Hence why you aren't gettting bout a PS3 and a Wii.
Eh?

"'Too flimsy'

Many blogs have reported that the Wiimote strap is too flimsy and there are accounts of the remote flying out of hands and crashing into TV screens.


Nintendo has warned people to be careful

Nintendo has sent an e-mail to customers with further advice on how to use the console's controller after reports of customers accidentally throwing the remote into television screens.

"Hold the remote securely and avoid excessive motion during game play. If your hands become moist, stop and dry your hands," the company recommended.

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata said of the problems: "We are investigating."

He added: "Some people are getting a lot more excited than we'd expected.

"We need to better communicate to people how to deal with Wii as a new form of entertainment."

Nintendo also cautioned players to stay at least three feet away from the TV and to make sure people and objects were safely outside their range of motion. "

From The BBC news page. Lol.

"'Too flimsy'
*BLAH*
Don't fondle snails or go jello wrestling before using a Wii.

My arm hurts :confused:

My arm hurts :confused:play 2 hours of wii sports boxing, then come talk to me

play 2 hours of wii sports boxing, then come talk to me

Pah! Try fencing for half the day when you already suffer from RSI.

"'Too flimsy'

Many blogs have reported that the Wiimote strap is too flimsy and there are accounts of the remote flying out of hands and crashing into TV screens.


Nintendo has warned people to be careful

Nintendo has sent an e-mail to customers with further advice on how to use the console's controller after reports of customers accidentally throwing the remote into television screens.

"Hold the remote securely and avoid excessive motion during game play. If your hands become moist, stop and dry your hands," the company recommended.

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata said of the problems: "We are investigating."

He added: "Some people are getting a lot more excited than we'd expected.

"We need to better communicate to people how to deal with Wii as a new form of entertainment."

Nintendo also cautioned players to stay at least three feet away from the TV and to make sure people and objects were safely outside their range of motion. "

From The BBC news page. Lol.

Well there was always going to be some sort of problem people have alot with the Wii.

You really can't escape it with stuff like this I guess.


Nothing in the world can be perfect. That's why I hate it.
The above sentence is almost becoming my motto nowadays

It is a simple problem to get around though. If you are somone who uses the remote with extreme movements, create a simple strap for yourself that will aid in keeping it in your hand. Of course, it would be easier to control yourself.

I think this may be curious...

Think about the first controllers: if people started to press the buttons with too much strength, they would break them... or the first joystick being pulled to the extreme, breaking it with overuse...

Just think that, like the same way people had to get used to this, they have to get used to the wiimote... because it's TOTALLY different...

It will certainly be more of an arm workout than with any other console. People are already complaining of Wii related pains.

It will certainly be more of an arm workout than with any other console. People are already complaining of Wii related pains.

Only those that accidently hit the small table with the vase on top :).

I just think that people are a little to enthusiastic with the controller. It would take some getting used to though.

I think this may be curious...

Think about the first controllers: if people started to press the buttons with too much strength, they would break them... or the first joystick being pulled to the extreme, breaking it with overuse...

Just think that, like the same way people had to get used to this, they have to get used to the wiimote... because it's TOTALLY different...

you're right there.

mind, it's similar to a tv remote... exept you don't swipe one of those in the same way.

mind, it's similar to a tv remote... exept you don't swipe one of those in the same way.

Really? Somehow I see myself holding it like a sword... then cursing as I hit my table next to me.

Really? Somehow I see myself holding it like a sword... then cursing as I hit my table next to me.you'll end up holding it according to what you're playing, actually.

you'll end up holding it according to what you're playing, actually.

Or I'll damage my wrists :).

What is it like to use? Especially after several hours.

What is it like to use? Especially after several hours.that depends, I'm not one of the stupid people who flail their arms around fully extended with all the strength they have just to smack a tennis ball. I use as small a movement as I can to play the wii and I've yet to have a problem. Wii sports does require you to use larger motions than zelda or rayman (my only other games) require, but regardless of the game it shouldn't wear you out all that quickly unless it's specifically meant to do so (there's a workout set of games on rayman, and wii sports boxing is meant to be tiring). basically, as long as you're not swinging your arm around at full speed trying to look like a fool and destroy all your house-hold appliances you should be fine as far as stamina and as far as the solidness of your stuff.

Sounds good. My wrists and arms should be able to survive that and my coursework.

How far is it best to stand/sit from the screen?

Sounds good. My wrists and arms should be able to survive that and my coursework.

How far is it best to stand/sit from the screen?within 5 feet seems to make things a bit oversensitive and twitchy. I sit about 6 or 7 feet from the sensor bar and it's perfect to me. sitting that distance, I also have enough room to stand up and play wii sports from there, so I don't know exactly how far you should sit, but try to give yourself more than about 5 feet or so.

edit: safe TV viewing is done from about the same distance, so as long as you're not a fan of burning your eyes out you should be fine to play the wii.

I have Twilight Princess.
No Wii, however.
And I know that I could've gotten it for the gamecube, but that's no fun.

Im not completely disregarding the Wii on what you said alone. I was still only just considering it, and as there are NO games on the Wii i am really looking forward to (except smash brothers (1 game!) and zelda WOULD be good but i could get it on the far cheaper gamecube) whereas PS3 has many. (Just looking at sequels, nevermind the original stuff like [that crowded middle ages game thing].

Also, by the time I get the PS3 (it isnt even out over here till MARCH and im not paying £500 :)) there will be PLENTY of games I cant WAIT to play :)

Odd. I'm the complete opposite. There are plenty of games I want to play that are coming for the Wii, whereas the PS3 doesn't have anything I want. Not even any games in the future look interesting.
Some of the ones I'm interested in are Elebits, Super Mario Galaxy, Sonic Wildfire (I won't call it secret rings) and others I don't remember right now.
I'm desperately hoping the Wii sonic will be good.

Assasin's Creed, MGS4, DMC4, MotorStorm, Team Fortress 2(I think I heard it was comming out for PS3 too, don't remember... :P), Resistance: Fall of Man...
Well, that's for me anyways. :p

Well since I'm babbling about stuff unrelated to this thread, I might as well point out that I had my first encounter with an Xbox 360, and I got it to crash :P Yay me!

Now, more related, how hard is it to find the Wii in the US for the standard price(that means, not overpriced)? Everywhere here they sell it over $400 and that's quite annoying, so I'm planning on having someone bring it to me from US.

within 5 feet seems to make things a bit oversensitive and twitchy. I sit about 6 or 7 feet from the sensor bar and it's perfect to me. sitting that distance, I also have enough room to stand up and play wii sports from there, so I don't know exactly how far you should sit, but try to give yourself more than about 5 feet or so.

Could be a bit awkward as my TV is only something like 13". 2-3' is optimum for me to watch anything or play anything on it.

I gues I'll have to experiment for a bit.

Now, more related, how hard is it to find the Wii in the US for the standard price(that means, not overpriced)? Everywhere here they sell it over $400 and that's quite annoying, so I'm planning on having someone bring it to me from US.they're not overpricing it here at all. I don't know how hard it is to get one, but I do know we've had a second shipment after the launch shipment.

Could be a bit awkward as my TV is only something like 13". 2-3' is optimum for me to watch anything or play anything on it.

I gues I'll have to experiment for a bit.ugh, that's horrible. why is your TV so friggin small?!

ugh, that's horrible. why is your TV so friggin small?!

Because I can't fit a larger one on my desk.

You're putting your tv on your desk???

You're putting your tv on your desk???exactly my question...

Better than, say, the floor surely?

Better than, say, the floor surely?I can a large number of places to put a TV that are more than 13" wide.

You're putting your tv on your desk???

Why the Hell would I put a small TV screen on the floor? Where else is it going to go?

You mentioned that the only reason you got a small TV was that a large TV wouldnt fit on your desktop. I would be quite suprised if the only place you could put a TV was on a desk that could only hold something small like that.

EDIT: Yet, i dont think this is worth talking about in a wii thread :p

You mentioned that the only reason you got a small TV was that a large TV wouldnt fit on your desktop. I would be quite suprised if the only place you could put a TV was on a desk that could only hold something small like that.

EDIT: Yet, i dont think this is worth talking about in a wii thread :p

True .

I appear to be very good at Wii bowling.

(That's the bowling bit of Wii Sports; I haven't tried throwing Wiis at skittles.)

I scored 232 today, including 5 consecutive strikes.

I appear to be very good at Wii bowling.

(That's the bowling bit of Wii Sports; I haven't tried throwing Wiis at skittles.)

I scored 232 today, including 5 consecutive strikes.jeez! you should try your shot at real bowling cause so far the people I've seen play wii bowling are scoring around what they do in real bowling with maybe a little bit extra on the wii version.

I'm actually pretty poor at bowling usuallly. Perhaps I should get some games in on my own to experiment sometime. Or try a ball that weighs the same as a Wiimote.

I'm actually pretty poor at bowling usuallly. Perhaps I should get some games in on my own to experiment sometime. Or try a ball that weighs the same as a Wiimote.that'd be what? a 2 pound ball?

that'd be what? a 2 pound ball?

Is the Wii remote really that heavy?

2lb = 1kg? :confused:

Surely not.

Is the Wii remote really that heavy?

Bowling balls only come in even numbers. And I really don't think there is a zero. It would travel at lightspeed and probably pass through the pins.

wii bowling is alot easier than normal bowling...

and i only have a 14" desk-fitting TV too.. although my monitor is 20" and I use thjat for most things

I'm actually pretty poor at bowling usuallly.I can confirm this :P. My highest on Wii Sports Bowling is 156 though, so you are doing better than me. One thing i don't get is it seems to be impossible to curve the ball to the right, i can only send it straight or to the left, no matter how i move the Wiimote whilst bowling.

Oh, and i missed my screen by about 2 inches with the Wiimote earlier, bounced it off a wall, and almost caught it on the rebound. Those things don't half bounce when the strap breaks :/. I did throw it quite hard though, and the Wiimote survived without any further damage, so at least it appears only the straps are flimsy.

Anyone finished Zelda yet? I'm about to go into the water temple to get the last dark shape thingy.

Anyone finished Zelda yet? I'm about to go into the water temple to get the last dark shape thingy.

anyway, I've just beaten Twilight Princess and I have just one thing to say: THAT'S what I call a boss battle! WOOO!!!!:D

Ding ding ding.

Anyone finished Zelda yet? I'm about to go into the water temple to get the last dark shape thingy.water temple? pffft, you're not about to beat it, don't worry about that one :p I'd say you're about 1/4 or 1/3 of the way through if I remember right. could be wrong though.

I figured i had a while to go yet, as i have 6 hearts of health and there are usually 20. So assuming i don't find all the pieces and get 17 hearts like i did on OoT, that's about 1/3 :D.

Assasin's Creed, MGS4, DMC4, MotorStorm, Team Fortress 2(I think I heard it was comming out for PS3 too, don't remember... :P), Resistance: Fall of Man...

None of those interest me, so... yeah.
Assasin's Creed seems somewhat interesting, but I know next to nothing about it because I don't bother looking for it.
To each his own, I guess. :p

I don't do much research, but I saw this on Youtuve:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdwiMSKRg4M
I think this is the video, not sure beacuse youtube is being an ass right now... anyway, PARKOUR! Need I say more?:cool: :p :cool:

I figured i had a while to go yet, as i have 6 hearts of health and there are usually 20. So assuming i don't find all the pieces and get 17 hearts like i did on OoT, that's about 1/3 :D.actually, if you're only getting the hearts from dungeons you'll probably end up with about 13 or so. I have 15 or 16 and I've collected quite a few heart peices.

I have 1 full heart from pieces so far.

I played my friends wii pretty frequently, he only had zelda and wii sports. We already have had one controller broken from swinging the wii remote backwards and hitting a table on the baseball game for wii sports. The only other thing I have to complain about the wii is the virtual console needs more games. The only 2 I got was mario 64 and golden axe, and its not really worth the amount of points it cost.

Visual console adds games monthy. It's all good.

And why do people feel the need to acting out the games so much they break the controller? The bigger question is accually why they break to controller from acting like idiots and then blame Nintendo. :p

water temple? pffft, you're not about to beat it, don't worry about that one :p I'd say you're about 1/4 or 1/3 of the way through if I remember right. could be wrong though.Do you constantly play video games in your spare time? I don't see how people can complete things just like that *click*

Do you constantly play video games in your spare time? I don't see how people can complete things just like that *click*yes, I do, but what's teh big deal? I beat it last week and I've had it for almost a month now.

How good is Twilight Princess? I heard it was a brilliant game.

Well I'd say that its by far my favorite Zelda game ever. The over all quaity put into that game, it is WELL worth the buy. I'm about to start my last Temple before the ending. It only took me 32 hours to get there @_@, and I got this 4 days ago. Do the math. I'm addicted. I havent had this much fun with a game in a long time.

So yeah, go get it. You wont regret it.

Does it surpass Ocarina of Time in terms of nice story line and gameplay?

And of course, in terms of sheer niceness?

Does it surpass Ocarina of Time in terms of nice story line and gameplay?

And of course, in terms of sheer niceness?

Very much, yes.
Of course you can nitpick at this game, it's not perfect. But still I love playing it.

Does it surpass Ocarina of Time in terms of nice story line and gameplay?

And of course, in terms of sheer niceness?as slick said, there's plenty to nit-pick and as such websites give it a lower rating than OoT got, but in the end TP has loads of new features never seen in a zelda game and just a general feeling of newness to the series while still keeping to the old formulas. there's just enough new to the game that it makes it REALLY fun to play with (mounted combat, for instance). the game is definitely on par with or beyond what Ocarina of Time was.

I am afraid I have to disagree. I really did like the game, but I dont think its quite better than OoT. It really is worth the buy though. Great graphics, fun way of using your sword and stuff. I like the fact that you spin the nunchuck around for the spin attack. I would just sit there for hours on end spinning the sucker around and watching link do all sorts of twists and turns. Oh and yes that was an exageration. It was actually about a minute that I spent doing that.

It seems I may be getting a Wii for my birthday (April) now :).

My younger brothers are trying to get a wii for christmas. They didnt seem to realise how hard it would be to get a new next gen game system on the holiday season. So they will be nicely suprised with gameboys each instead.

It seems I may be getting a Wii for my birthday (April) now :).

Strange... I was thinking on that too...

I was originally going to buy a Wii, but in favour of my arm, I think I'll save up for 360. (Army of Two = Win.)

Why does introducing a bit of movement to gaming cause people to complain so much? The DS's stylus controls have been pretty damn fun so far and definitely beat normal controls if they're used properly. In fact, there happens to be a really revolutionary and successful game that's ENTIRELY based on doing more than moving your fingers around on a controller from the confort of your couch, surrounded by Red Bull cans. It's known as "DDR", and I'm pretty sure most of you have heard of it... :p And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember anyone's body blowing up after having played it for large amounts of time.

Why does introducing a bit of movement to gaming cause people to complain so much?

Because RSI hurts.

I can't see it being too much of a problem though, the remote isn't exactly heavy. It's not like swinging a real tennis racquet all day.

Having strain injuries in your fingers is one thing though, having it in your entire arm and hand is another.

Because RSI hurts.
The Wii willgive you far less RSI than other consoles. The fingers aren't designed for typing or playing games; they're designed for gripping rocks and spears and for holding fruit. What we use them for damages them.

The arms are designed for swinging about like the Wii makes you. You'll get no RSI from that. You'll get only the same injuries you will from a light workout a the gym. If that injures you then either you're doing it wrong or you're horrendously out of shape.

We already have had one controller broken from swinging the wii remote backwards and hitting a table on the baseball game for wii sports.
Can I just ask, are you only four feet tall, or do you have giant tables, or are you just awful at baseball? I can't work out how you managed this feat at all. You shouldn't be swinging it backwards in baseball anyway. Not at speed.

If my parents will ever let me buy a console, especially a very expensive one, I think it's gonna be a Wii. My dad's very concerned about us getting RSI (he has it, in light form) and doesn't want us to be gaming for long times.
I wonder how they made the controller system work... I mean IR light, maybe, but how do you make sure where the system knows where the controller is? And how about spinning around: IR doesn't go throught your body that far to reach the system...
Radar perhaps :eek: ??

If my parents will ever let me buy a console, especially a very expensive one, I think it's gonna be a Wii. My dad's very concerned about us getting RSI (he has it, in light form) and doesn't want us to be gaming for long times.
I wonder how they made the controller system work... I mean IR light, maybe, but how do you make sure where the system knows where the controller is? And how about spinning around: IR doesn't go throught your body that far to reach the system...
Radar perhaps :eek: ??

The controller doesn't send out IR; it recieves it from the sensor bar. IR is only used for the pointer. The motion sensors are accelerometers and they communicate with the Wii more like WiFi or Bluetooth than IR. I don't know the specifics, but the controller doesn't have to point at the screen to work (except when you're using it as a light gun, obviously).

The controller doesn't send out IR; it recieves it from the sensor bar. IR is only used for the pointer. The motion sensors are accelerometers and they communicate with the Wii more like WiFi or Bluetooth than IR. I don't know the specifics, but the controller doesn't have to point at the screen to work (except when you're using it as a light gun, obviously).Ok, so the system tracks the controller, rather than the controller broadcasting its position..
Then another thing just popped up to me when I saw the tv-spot again:
How does the zoom work? I mean "if you hold the controller closer to the screen/console, it zooms in."
I can (now) understand how the positioning works, but how about the closeness? Is the system tracking two dots on the controller?
So the closer the dots are, the further the controller is from the console and the further the dots are, the closer the controller..?
please hit me if I'm annoying you with these questions

I can (now) understand how the positioning works, but how about the closeness? Is the system tracking two dots on the controller?
So the closer the dots are, the further the controller is from the console and the further the dots are, the closer the controller..?

Yes, except that the system tracks nothing. The controller tracks two dots in the Sensor Bar and relays this information back to the Wii. the Sensor Bar itself does nothing two well-placed candles can't emulate.

the Sensor Bar itself does nothing two well-placed candles can't emulate.

Which is why the manual tells you that the Wii won't work too well if the bar is right next to the Christmas tree, I presume.

The motion sensors are accelerometers and they communicate with the Wii more like WiFi or Bluetooth than IRjust for the record here, the controller does in fact use Bluetooth to accomplish the communication between the two devices.

as for the candles, it works perfectly. they played Zelda on AOTS with 2 candles in place of the sensor bar.

as for apoc's question: the controller reads two points of IR light being emitted and understands that the controller is X distance from and at X angle to the 2 lights. which means that you can open a window and not have problems with the controller, but if you were to start a seanse you'd have to put down the wiimote :p

Well my brother has a Wii, and he has Zelda: Twilight Princess, Wii Sports and Wii Play, we also have a guide for Twilight Princess but it makes it look like a chore. :D

Just wanted to add that I have Zelda, Rayman and Elebits. They're all great games, and well worth the money. I'm about 25 hours into Zelda, not quite halfway through yet. Also played Rayman at my friend's for 4 hours or so, and about 6 hours into Elebits. And God knows how much time I've spent on WiiSports!!!

Worms 2D should come to Wii with online play. That is all.

I played Zelda for 5 days straight and am about to take on the boss finale :p

Since I won't be getting a Wii anytime soon (probably on June, if ever this year since Romanian shops never get non-Sony products and I can't find a place to order them) I decided to spoil the final bosses and watch everything on Youtube. Kind of funny how easily the dialogue can be taken out of context, especially the bit after the [spoiler]*** Ganon-posessed Zelda boss fight ***[/end spoiler]. :p

Huge boar Ganon was pretty badass though; can't wait to get this game.

OMFG!!! I was lucky to close my eyes and put the hand on the screen...

BUT REMOVE IT DAMN YOU

OMFG!!! I was lucky to close my eyes and put the hand on the screen...

BUT REMOVE IT DAMN YOU
Nah. Just brightened it up. :p

Nah. Just brightened it up. :p

good enough :D

Nah. Just brightened it up. :p
Doesn't work on the Retro Purple style tho.:p

I don't consider it makes a lot of odds when the first sentence after "[/end spoiler]" is another spoiler.

Well, I've been playing my Wii since Christmas, and it's better than I ever thought it was going to be. Wii Sports is just amazing - everybody that's visited my house has played it and loved it, which shows the pick-up-and-play-ability of it. However, I've had one slight snag. The Skultalla spider things in Zelda are spoiling the game for me (thing with spiders, don't ask :p). Without giving away too much, how many of these are there in the game? How much will I miss if I 'skip' the first dungeon by downloading someone else's save? (Speaking of that, can this be done by linking the Wii to the internet with a wireless router then downloading?). Anyway, what I've seen of Zelda so far is brilliant.

Also, I bought Wii Play, mostly just for the extra controller, but it's a better game than you might think. With that price, it's definately worth a look (more so with multiplayer).

Any one here played super monkey ball for the wii? very good party game. Lots of fun mini games in it.

I haven't but I hear (from a Cube MonkeyBall fan I know) it's not up to much.

I haven't but I hear (from a Cube MonkeyBall fan I know) it's not up to much.
oh, well thats a shame. I enjoyed it, but I can see it getting old quickly I guess. I havnt really played single player too much but I will see how that goes.

I don't know. I've had a look through the list of games on Wikipedia and most of them seem pretty uninspired, although that still leaves a lot to go at. If I get chance before he sells it or something I'll have a go on it, but I suppose it depends which bits of the original you liked.

Well, I've been playing my Wii since Christmas, and it's better than I ever thought it was going to be. Wii Sports is just amazing - everybody that's visited my house has played it and loved it, which shows the pick-up-and-play-ability of it. However, I've had one slight snag. The Skultalla spider things in Zelda are spoiling the game for me (thing with spiders, don't ask :p). Without giving away too much, how many of these are there in the game? How much will I miss if I 'skip' the first dungeon by downloading someone else's save? (Speaking of that, can this be done by linking the Wii to the internet with a wireless router then downloading?). Anyway, what I've seen of Zelda so far is brilliant.

Also, I bought Wii Play, mostly just for the extra controller, but it's a better game than you might think. With that price, it's definately worth a look (more so with multiplayer).

They don't play such a big role after the first dungeon...I think they only reappear in the cave of thingies, but EVERY enemy appears there. But yes, they are bloody scary :p

They are also nonexistant, fictional piles of polygons.
...
Oh snap. :(

They are also nonexistant, fictional piles of polygons.
...
Oh snap. :(

It's just the legs creep me out and make me shiver :p

the spiders are easy - at least you can kill them this time - in ocarina they were pure evil!

Eh, I fail to see what's so hard about waiting for them to reveal their weak spot and slashing them. However, I did hate the way they jumped in at seemingly random locations. :p

The Skultulas were easy. Apart from the wall ones, they were a bit irritating until you got the bow. Although you didn't meet them much.

Now the Stalfos, they were a nuisance...

the spiders are easy - at least you can kill them this time - in ocarina they were pure evil!they really weren't any worse in ocarina. they're not that hard to kill.

I've just got an Email from GAME saying that I should recieve my Wii within the next seven days!

Le'me hear you say OH YEAH!!!

It takes one electrician to screw in a lightbulb.

It takes one electrician to screw in a lightbulb. Why do you even need an electrician?

Why do you even need an electrician?
He has to do somthing, so why not put him to use?

He has to do somthing, so why not put him to use?

Yes, but they do need paying. Much cheaper to screw in your own bulb.

Now I see what Aku meant about my bright messages encouraging spam. That's why I've stopped writing them.

Between 1-5 days until I get my Wii and Zelda:TP with it.
*Is about to explode*

Between 1-5 days until I get my Wii and Zelda:TP with it.
*Is about to explode*welcome to the darkest hour before dawn :p

enjoy the wii when ya get it. the system is awesome :)

I don't thing I'll be getting a wii until the end of this year.

I'm getting a PS3 first, though. just because I need to catch up on a few games.

I'm getting a PS3 first, though. just because I need to catch up on a few games.what, might I ask? I wasn't aware the PS3 had anything anyone would be interested in catching up on quite yet.

You can buy 3 Wiis for the price of a PS3 too.

what, might I ask? I wasn't aware the PS3 had anything anyone would be interested in catching up on quite yet.
Perhaps he never had a PS2 and wants to catch up on PS2 games on the PS3? :p

just do what I did, get a PS2 at a low price.

Well, you might as well do that, but the PS3 also gives you support for PS3 games, and there are a couple of those that aren't that bad, and hopefully several of those that will be good.

It's like, buying a gamecube now, no matter how cheap you'll be better off buying a wii.

$600, 'nuff said.
I usually wait a year before picking my nextgen of choice, anyway. And the PS2 still has some support right now (some Japanese RPGs being developed).

Perhaps he never had a PS2 and wants to catch up on PS2 games on the PS3? :pbut I was under the impression that the backwards compatibility wasn't working.....

but I was under the impression that the backwards compatibility wasn't working.....
I was under the impression that it works on most titles, and that they make firmware updates every now and then to fix issues with some titles. The thing I did hear was that the games look slightly bad on the PS3, but I don't know if that's been fixed or if it's ever gonna be fixed.

The thing I did hear was that the games look slightly bad on the PS3

Sounds like it's emulating the PS2 pretty well, then.

Sorry.

Just to know... This brings me a question:
I have a GameCube... Does the Wii have those problems? I would like to sell my GameCube... or at least play the games on the Wii :p

As far as I know, the Wii can perfectly play all gamecube titles, but I don't quite have a Wii so I don't know.
Also, good luck selling your Gamecube :p

Here, taken from wikipedia:

Backward compatibility

The Wii console is backward compatible with all Nintendo GameCube software and most GameCube peripherals. This backwards compatibility is achieved with the help of the slot-loading drive being able to accept GameCube discs, and a set of four GameCube controller ports and two Memory Card slots, concealed by flip-open panels.[1] A GameCube controller is required to play GameCube games, as neither the Wii Remote nor the Classic Controller functions in this capacity. A GameCube memory card is also necessary if you want to save, as the Wii internal flash memory will not save GameCube games. Nintendo has stated that the console is not compatible with the GameCube modem adapter, broadband adapter, Game Boy Player, AV cable, or AC adaptor.

Post recieved today that my Wii has been dispatched.
*Has exploded and been revived five times already*

Also, good luck selling your Gamecube :p

yeah, I know, but I can always give it to someone ;) (without controllers, though XD)

I have tried some GC games on the Wii and they work PERFECTLY. :D

I was under the impression that it works on most titles, and that they make firmware updates every now and then to fix issues with some titles. The thing I did hear was that the games look slightly bad on the PS3, but I don't know if that's been fixed or if it's ever gonna be fixed.ah ok. I don't actually check on that. I'm not much interested in the PS3. good to know that they're fixing the problem, though.

I have tried some GC games on the Wii and they work PERFECTLY. :D

Yes. I've only tried playing first party Cube games on a Wii, but I've not seen so much as a graphical glitch.

In Twilight Princess, my brother has discovered something where you hit the bell in Kakiriko Villiage with a bomb arrow and you get a silver ruppee, when he tried it again, it didn't appear and he started having a whinge. Can you give me some advice to collect the silver ruppee? (He wants the magic armor)

In Twilight Princess, my brother has discovered something where you hit the bell in Kakiriko Villiage with a bomb arrow and you get a silver ruppee, when he tried it again, it didn't appear and he started having a whinge. Can you give me some advice to collect the silver ruppee?don't bother to? you don't exactly start hurting for money at any given point in the game...