I know games will keep it very much alive, but I'm talking about the concept of waving the controller around.

How long will it take untill one would rather pick the classic controller instead of the wii controller if the choice is given? I'm asking this since I have the feeling that I will get bored of the whole wii thing after a few weeks, and that's why I am not rushing out to buy it but will wait for it to establish and for me to try it out a bit.

For instance, I bought the Nintendo DS and it took a long time before the good games started to come out. I just bought it for touchscreen with I got tierd of using after playing all the Mario 64 minigames to death.

How the hell are we supposed to know how soon something will get boring if we never used anything like it?

well i'm sure some game you won't have to move the controller around but i really really really dislike the wii since the controller looks like a TV remote..whoever came up with that should get smacked in the face.
Sony is also making their controller the same as the wii (no they didn't copy them, i think it was activision who used that kind of stuff first)
but i'm sure ppl will still have fun and stuf..personally i'm not going to buy either of those and microsoft rushed the Xbox 360, i don't even see anything new about the xbox except the "improved" graphics...games are not all about the graphics. stupid microsoft...........

I'm asking this since I have the feeling that I will get bored of the whole wii thing after a few weeks

Bored? I think you're far more likely to get tired...

The Wii will never bee "cool". The Wii will be great. There's an aching chasm of difference between "cool" and "great".
the whole wii thing
Please don't describe waving a controller around as "the whole Wii thing". The Wii will be great on the back of software titles, not some gimmicky controller.

The Wii will never bee "cool". The Wii will be great. There's an aching chasm of difference between "cool" and "great".

Please don't describe waving a controller around as "the whole Wii thing". The Wii will be great on the back of software titles, not some gimmicky controller.
what's odd is that ppl say that the PS3 will suck even though it is basicly the same as the wii but better....

What kind of a name is Wii anyway? I REFUSE TO CALL IT WII! IT'S CALLED THE REVELOUTION! K?

I am on the verge of agreeing with you (you who are on topic), so I almost did not post this thread.
Actually I was making a poll, but in the process of making it I decided to give up since I knew this thread really wouldn't lead anywhere. Your right, I can't make really know about a future thing.
So I closed the page to give up. Though to my suprise I found the thread alive now and already had 6 posts. lol.

What kind of a name is Wii anyway? I REFUSE TO CALL IT WII! IT'S CALLED THE REVELOUTION! K?A rose by any other name...

what's odd is that ppl say that the PS3 will suck even though it is basicly the same as the wii but better....
well...

in any case it's far more expensive.

The Nintendo Wii will be top until they release the Nintendo Puu.

what's odd is that ppl say that the PS3 will suck even though it is basicly the same as the wii but better....
I'm intruiged as to how you can possibly know that having played neither. Sure, if you look at a bunch of arbitrary specifications the PS3 is better, on paper. But that is because the PS3 is designed almost purely to make itself look good on paper, whereas the Wii is designed to be a good console. Now quit trolling the Wii thread with your "The PS3 Will Be Better Than The Wii For No Stated Reason" gibberish.

I'm intruiged as to how you can possibly know that having played neither. Sure, if you look at a bunch of arbitrary specifications the PS3 is better, on paper. But that is because the PS3 is designed almost purely to make itself look good on paper, whereas the Wii is designed to be a good console. Now quit trolling the Wii thread with your "The PS3 Will Be Better Than The Wii For No Stated Reason" gibberish.
I do have a reason, all they improved on the wii was the "TV remote" but on the PS3, i saw a special presentation and the games will have way more detail and the graphics will be awsome, they also have the same kinda sensetive controller and stuff, AND it can still play DVD's PS1 and PS2 games...

Sony is also making their controller the same as the wii (no they didn't copy them, i think it was activision who used that kind of stuff first)
Yeah, only the PS3's motion sensor is pretty simple compared to the Wii's. It's just a motion sensor attached to a regular PS2 controller, if I remember correctly. And I really doubt many games are going to focus on it, besides a few boring flying simulators. While the Wii's nunchuk design adds loads of possibilities. Just look at some of those launch titles for god's sake.
I do have a reason, all they improved on the wii was the "TV remote" but on the PS3, i saw a special presentation and the games will have way more detail and the graphics will be awsome
Yet earlier you said:
i don't even see anything new about the xbox except the "improved" graphics...games are not all about the graphics. stupid microsoft...........
Intriguing. Also, there's Xbox Arcade (which seems bloody awesome) and a nice selection of online games right now, so the 360 looks much more appealing IMHO. And who knows, the PS3 might get some really good games too. All the three next-gens are great in their own way and you can't deny that. So Wormies, please quit being a fanboy.

Anyway, DS did seem terribly gimmicky at first, but when third parties started swarming it, most people were surprised by the fact that there's still quite a lot of great new stuff the DS can do, from throwing frisbees and arranging manga panels, to controlling a japanese cheerleader group. You just need an open mind, something a certain poster here definetely lacks. Same goes for the Wii, with a bit of creativity, the possibilities are almost endless. Of course it won't appeal to the mainstream crowd such as Wormies, but I'm pretty sure it'll do well, and it'll probably last quite a lot too. Though I'm not all that impressed by Mario Galaxy so far, seeing as it still uses the ten year old Mario 64 star-gathering concept which bores me right now. Knowing Nintendo, it might have some nice twists, though. And third party support looks nice too. Can't wait for that One Piece game, personally.

Just gonna say one more thing about the graphics:

it seems that all microsoft focused on was the graphics, yes i did say that the ps3 will have awsome graphics and that graphics isn't everything but at least sony isn't focusing it all on the graphics and rushing it.

I'm personally more interested in the status of the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray war going on.
If Blu-ray fails, then Sony would be in trouble for making the PS3 expensive to have the blu-ray player. Whereas if it becomes the dominant format, Sony will have an advantage over Microsoft.
And remember that Blu-Ray players cost a fair bit of money, and Sony will take a significant loss on each system sold. If they can't deliver games, then they'd be really messed up.

Yeah, this is pretty off-topic. But the current topic won't really be able to go anywhere, as Xinos said.
I guess this could be another thread. :p

i know this is offtopic but i just gotta ask this:
pigbuster, what on earth is thatdragon doing?
also what exactly is a blu-ray thing?

Read the sig. That should give a hint.

Blu-Ray is an alternative format to the HD DVD.
Blu-Ray is more expensive (Especially the players), but they have a lot more space.
The PS3 has a Blu-Ray player, and that's mostly why it's so expensive. (Blu-Ray players get up to $1000.)
WIKIPEDIA LINK AHH. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray)

Well, if the new controler gets boring, I don't give a sh1t. I mean, I can play EVERY freakin game from the SNES! That's all I need. :D
There wormies, that's one thing your PS3 can't do. Also the PS3 won't have aweosme franchises like Smash Bros and um, Mario and stuff. :p

Oh and the SNES games, did I mention that already?

While we're at it, will this thing actually play VirtualBoy games? That'd be awesome :p

HD DVD vs. Blu-ray war going on.Does the industry never learn? It's VHS vs Betamaz all over again.

I'm personnally not very fond of the idea of waving the controller around, but I expect Nintendo intend to use it to the best of it's ability so I'll wait and see. Since the PS3 and Xbox360 are basically sooped up versions of the originals and the Wii is somehting new and a bit different I know which one I'd rather go for.

I'm personnally not very fond of the idea of waving the controller around, but I expect Nintendo intend to use it to the best of it's ability so I'll wait and see. Since the PS3 and Xbox360 are basically sooped up versions of the originals and the Wii is somehting new and a bit different I know which one I'd rather go for.
Well, there's a GameCube style pad as well, and a little plug-in thumbstick, and a D-pad so it's safe to assume it won't be required for all games. Nintendo know better than to use it gratuitously -- as shown by New Mario Brothers' fleeting use of the touchscreen. As long as third parties can remember not to map thumbstick functions onto the motion sensor when porting games to Wii I doubt there'll be a problem. If it's used properly, it'll be an addition to the console, not an annoyance. If it's abused, it'll be annoying. But you can generally solve that problem by not playing those games.

Actually, in a 3D game, the motion sensor could be a good way to control the camera, since you can point it and move it intuitively.

Well, there's a GameCube style pad as well

Is there? Awesome! :)

Now I feel stupid for thinking that Nintendo expected us to play the old SNES games on the Wiimote. :-/

Well, there's a GameCube style pad as well, and a little plug-in thumbstick, and a D-pad so it's safe to assume it won't be required for all games. Nintendo know better than to use it gratuitously -- as shown by New Mario Brothers' fleeting use of the touchscreen. As long as third parties can remember not to map thumbstick functions onto the motion sensor when porting games to Wii I doubt there'll be a problem. If it's used properly, it'll be an addition to the console, not an annoyance. If it's abused, it'll be annoying. But you can generally solve that problem by not playing those games.Ah right. That sounds pretty nifty then.

Is there? Awesome! :)

Now I feel stupid for thinking that Nintendo expected us to play the old SNES games on the Wiimote. :-/
Well, remember that if you turn the Wiimote on its side it's more-or-less just a NES pad with a motion sensor and a couple of extra buttons.

Look here for the classic pad: http://www.wiicentre.com/111/wii-classic-pad/
And here for some examples of alternate "slot-in" controllers that can use the motion sensor/light gun capabilities: http://nintendopassion.bleublog.ch/files/images/2006/5/mob106_1147358135.jpg

Now doesn't that look cheaper than buying a bid ol' steering wheel controller for a PC?

Is there? Awesome! :)

Now I feel stupid for thinking that Nintendo expected us to play the old SNES games on the Wiimote. :-/

Yep. Super Smash Brothers is being made for the classic controller.

Remember N64's "gimmicky" analogue stick? That never faded out, it's now standard on all modern consoles. I don't see which the Wii's controller would be any different, in fact Sony have already nicked it.

I tought Sony had announced motion sensor before Nintendo did.

They nicked it in advance then.

I tought Sony had announced motion sensor before Nintendo did.
Yeah, but IIRC it was always intended as a motion sensor attached to a normal controller, nothing more. There was no "ripping off" involved and I acted like an ignorant Nintendo fanboy for believing it.

But yeah, anything Nintendo makes is considered a "gimmick" at first.

Well, if the new controler gets boring, I don't give a sh1t. I mean, I can play EVERY freakin game from the SNES! That's all I need. :D
There wormies, that's one thing your PS3 can't do. Also the PS3 won't have aweosme franchises like Smash Bros and um, Mario and stuff. :p

Oh and the SNES games, did I mention that already?

While we're at it, will this thing actually play VirtualBoy games? That'd be awesome :p
the mario stuff is ALL the the nintendo has, they don't have anything else but mario,link,metroid and pokemon stuff. I'm more interested in shooting games like Battlefield,Splinter cell,and Metal gear solid.
and oo SNES games....i can play every PS1 game that i got off...well i got it for like 50 cents each back than when it was cool, don't ask. so i have about 180 PS1 games so there is something your wii can't do.

and oo SNES games....i can play every PS1 game that i got off...well i got it for like 50 cents each back than when it was cool, don't ask. so i have about 180 PS1 games so there is something your wii can't do.
And the Wii can play SNES, NES, and possibly more. That is something your PS3 can't do. Obviously...

All systems have their own merits. None of them are truly "better", as it depends on what you like. Some of them, however, are "better" because they appeal more to the majority of the buying population.

The Wii is really cheap, innovative, and has the ability to download games from past systems. However, it is weaker than the competition in the graphics department, and the controller is different, which will take getting used to.

The PS3 is powerful, and is designed to be an entire media center.
They both appeal to different people. YAH.
I'm more interested in shooting games like Battlefield,Splinter cell,and Metal gear solid.
The Wii controller will allow pretty great immersion in those types of games. It could even be greater than the mouse+keyboard control, if done right.

the mario stuff is ALL the the [sic sic] nintendo has, they don't have anything else but mario,link,metroid and pokemon stuff.
Also, Donkey Kong, Starfox, Kirby, F Zero, MarioKart, Smash Brothers, Mario Party, WarioWare, and a damnably impressive array of one-or-two-offs, such as Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Excitebike, Harvest Moon, Tetris Attack, and so on. (I realise I've listed more than one that could be considered "mario stuff", but really, a franchise that's excelled in half a dozen genres and defined a couple more is disserviced by a term like "mario stuff".) And the Wii'll have third party titles as well, you realise.

Prefer whatever console you like, but do at least refrain from slandering the others to justify it.

And Nintendo Wars (the series Advance Wars is a subseries of). And they've got Mega Drive emulation as well, so that gives you Sonic, Toejam and Earl, Columns, Puyo Puyo, Rocket Knight, Kid Chameleon, Ecco, Ristar (alright, I admit I'm starting to scrape the barrel...)

...i can play every PS1 game that i got off...well i got it for like 50 cents each back than when it was cool, don't ask. so i have about 180 PS1 games so there is something your wii can't do.
SNES > PS1

The Wii controller will allow pretty great immersion in those types of games. It could even be greater than the mouse+keyboard control, if done right.

yes it will allow a great immersion in those type of games, but nintendo doesn't bother making those type of games, the only good shooting game i saw on nintendo is metroid, and than again, the camecube controller is really hard getting used to, xbox and PS2 is much easier, so i hope the new wii controller will be easier to control.
oh and about the SNES games and nes games....u can play them on ur computer too you know, no, not just the illegal way, but the llegal way also:
http://www.everyvideogame.com/index.htm
Have fun ;)

yes it will allow a great immersion in those type of games, but nintendo doesn't bother making those type of games,
For crying out loud...

Companies besides Nintendo will release Wii games! The N64 had Goldeneye -- generally agreed to be one of the greatest FPS games ever made, and it was made by a second party company of Nintendo. The Cube had some shooters as well, although none spring to mind, and there's no reason why the Wii won't -- and a damn good reason why it will.
the camecube controller is really hard getting used to
No, it isn't. It's very, very simple. Hell, it's more-or-less the same layout as a PS2 pad. You're just picking a console to hate based apparently on nothing at all, and then actively looking for reasons to hate it. And you've so far found none and already you're scraping the barrel very loudly. Knock it off now, or else you won't even have a barrel left.
oh and about the SNES games and nes games....u can play them on ur computer too you know, no, not just the illegal way, but the llegal way also:
http://www.everyvideogame.com/index.htm
Have fun ;)
There is no legal way to play NES or SNES games on your PC. It just doesn't exist. There are, however, lots of ways to play those games that the people providing would really like you to believe were legal.

Stop talking rubbish. Like I said, you're perfectly free to prefer whichever console it best for you, but you if you storm into a thread about the Wii and start spouting off increasingly stupid arguments about why you arbitrarily elected to despise it then you will notice your posts getting (a) a bad reception, and (b) deleted -- it's nothing more or less than trolling, and you're going to stop now.

yes it will allow a great immersion in those type of games, but nintendo doesn't bother making those type of games, the only good shooting game i saw on nintendo is metroid, and than again, the camecube controller is really hard getting used to, xbox and PS2 is much easier, so i hope the new wii controller will be easier to control.
Yes, Nintendo have been stuck to their main franchises lately. But for the love of crap, don't forget third party developers.

That's what annoys me in Nintendo haters, claiming that consoles like DS are crap because Nintendo only re-release their old stuff with new control methods, completely ignoring countless third party developers that can finally use some of their most wild concepts thanks to Nintendo's "gimmicky" hardware. Nintendo themselves aren't the only ones doing games for the Wii, after all. If I remember correctly, Hideo Kojima is planning a Wii-exclusive series. (correct me if I'm wrong) The Wii will likely cover all known genres and maybe start some new ones.
yes it will allow a great immersion in those type of games, but nintendo doesn't bother
oh and about the SNES games and nes games....u can play them on ur computer too you know, no, not just the illegal way, but the llegal way also:
http://www.everyvideogame.com/index.htm
Have fun ;)
I'm pretty sure I'd have more fun playing them with a proper controller, on a proper console and at a proper screen size instead of using a keyboard on a small web-based emulation. And I guess that's as legal as the made-up rule that emulating games is fine as long as you delete them in 24 hours after downloading them.

Edit: Damn, AT was faster.

ok chill, just pointing out the fact that for me, and almost all of my friends, they find the gamecube controller weird and hard to use, i'm not trying to pick out the bad things or try to make u hate nintendo...

Heh, someone should start a thread for discussing each of the nextgens to avoid nonsense like this. And on a completely different note, would you PLEASE stop using 'u' as a word, wormies? I can live with people using it in places like MSN (though I still find it annoying), but you should try to put more effort into posts on an actual message board. Is reaching for the "y" and "o" keys really that hard?

ok chill, just pointing out the fact that for me, and almost all of my friends, they find the gamecube controller weird and hard to use, i'm not trying to pick out the bad things or try to make u hate nintendo...I just read through everything and I agree with andrew so far, you're scraping the barrel because you simply refuse to not hate nintendo and everything about it. look at the gamecube and the ps2 controllers, and tell me the differences between the two without saying anything about the way each individual button is shaped....I don't imagine you'll have much of a list, but I am serious. I want you to list me the differences between the two controllers.

also wormies, you stated that the wii and ps3 controllers are virtually the same....you've obviously not read anything about either. the wii uses signals to tell the console the angle, depth, direction, height, etc of the controller so that however you move the controller the game moves with it. the ps3 uses a gyroscope placed in the controller to detect which angles the controller is being held at. where it's not a bad idea, it'll only really have uses in a few games, and it hardly changes much along the lines of gaming. and yes, sony announced their idea first, but I've heard that they scrapped the idea until the wii controller was announced. basically, where as they didn't STEAL the idea, they did jump on the bandwagon.

but anyway, as for the original topic, I'd say the wii will start off absolutely great, but then die down a little while until everyone gets a hang on how to stop the controller from being gimmicky and instead make it an integral part of their games. once the developers get the hang of the system I figure it'll shoot back up to out-shine the hype at its release. I also foresee the next generation of console gaming being based off of the wii controller design, but I won't say anything bad about microsoft or sony by that point, because changing the way games are played is a huge risk and one that can be potentially disasterous to a company, and if I were the heads of either sony or microsoft, I wouldn't take that risk either until someone else took it for me. to me, it's a perfectly acceptable business strategy.

ok fine i will put more effort into my posts...
anyway i don't hate nintendo, i don't want anyone else to hate it, i just dislike their controllers and the fact that their game are based on mario and his friends....(ppl from the super smash bros game)
aaaanyway i'm off to watch fear factor..old ppl vs young..this should be fun :D

i just dislike their controllers and the fact that their game are based on mario and his friends....(ppl from the super smash bros game)where I don't see WHY you don't like the GC controller, I can accept that you don't as long as you're not saying it sucks and the PS one is better :p

but I do have to ask, how can you say that all their games as based on mario and friends? have you actually looked through the games on the system recently? there's a rather wide variety of things including quite a few off the wall things not seen on other systems (pikmin anyone? that game is weird!)

edit: and don't think I'm saying that no other system has unique games all its own, but nintendo seems to get the majority of the strangeness for whatever reason.

where I don't see WHY you don't like the GC controller, I can accept that you don't as long as you're not saying it sucks and the PS one is better :p

but I do have to ask, how can you say that all their games as based on mario and friends? have you actually looked through the games on the system recently? there's a rather wide variety of things including quite a few off the wall things not seen on other systems (pikmin anyone? that game is weird!)

edit: and don't think I'm saying that no other system has unique games all its own, but nintendo seems to get the majority of the strangeness for whatever reason.
well i think it's because they're games are more cartoon based and made for the younger people. Also there isn't such a big veriaty, any video game store i go to, esepcially EB games, PS2 and Xbox have like 3 huge shelves, while gamecube has only 1 or 2, not saying those games suck or anything, just i like a big variaty. haha i remember a joke about pikmin on VG cats...oh KH! best game for the PS2 EVER! :p

well i think it's because they're games are more cartoon based and made for the younger people. Also there isn't such a big veriaty, any video game store i go to, esepcially EB games, PS2 and Xbox have like 3 huge shelves, while gamecube has only 1 or 2, not saying those games suck or anything, just i like a big variaty. haha i remember a joke about pikmin on VG cats...oh KH! best game for the PS2 EVER! :pwell, I see your point, but I have to bring up my counter argument against the kiddy games thing: have you actually sat down and played those games that look to be absolutely retarded? they're normally quite fun.

and yes, the PS2 and xbox shelves are bigger, but that's typically for 2 reasons:
1. they both have more demand. people typically want to buy and rent PS and xbox stuff more than nintendo stuff because of the opinions you've expressed in this thread.

2. ps and xbox get quite a few more games, but if you actually look through them, a good portion are the exact same game remade over again with new visuals and maybe one or two added features. there are plenty of exceptions to this statement, yes of course (hell, I actually like the PS2 because there are a bunch of good games on it), but if you look through the 2/3 walls worth of games displayed I'd be willing to bet at least one of those walls could be filled with games that are nearly identical.

edit: I'd also like it to be known that another reason why the GC shelf is much smaller is because the system pretty much sucks :p a lot of third party support was withdrawn from it for various reasons, and as such it never really got to be any good. hell, I sold mine ffs. I still own every other nintendo system (virtual boy excluded), but I sold my gamecube....that's saying something!

ture in crappy stores like Walmart and Toys r us...i buy my games in EB games...really hard to choose for me cuz all of their games are different, and forr some reason that is the only store i saw worm games...
And yes I have played those games, Hell i do like the mario games on the gamecube......hm..my birthday is april 19...mario...gamecube....how much will a gamecube cost in april? i really want mario sunshine :p

OK! I HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT!
i love both the PS2 and gamecube, gonna try to get used to the controls once I get one, won't be getting a wii or anything though....
So there, for me both consoles are good and I do like their games like Zelda, Mario and Super smash brothers....
although I hate xbox and I think that microsoft is being greedy and just trying to make some more money out of the billions they already have.

I think that microsoft is being greedyand if nothing else, here is at least one thing in this thread that EVERYONE can agree on! :rolleyes:

oh and about the SNES games and nes games....u can play them on ur computer too you know, no, not just the illegal way, but the llegal way also:
http://www.everyvideogame.com/index.htm
Have fun ;)
Except, the sound is almost allways bugged out, or something looks wrong, the rom isn't complete, or the game just isn't available as a rom.
In any case, I assume snes games on the wii will work as perfectly as they did in the snes, maybe even better, that beats playing it in an emulator.
Plus my snes controler doesn't plug to my pc.

About Nintendo's games being aimed at kids, I think something like GTA or 50 Cent Bulletproof is more fit for the 13-year old crowd than something like Super Smash Bros.

although I hate xbox and I think that microsoft is being greedy and just trying to make some more money out of the billions they already have.
As opposed to Sony and Nintendo who are out to send bottles of champagne to their competitors and give out their games and systems for free, right?

About Nintendo's games being aimed at kids, I think something like GTA or 50 Cent Bulletproof is more fit for the 13-year old crowd than something like Super Smash Bros.ya know? I actually hadn't ever thought of it like that...

Personally, I don't argue about Nintendo appealing to young kids or not because they DO. Their games are generally rated E and they can be played by young kids or by any older person who doesn't overly care about being "mature".

But seriously, appealing to the kids isn't a bad thing. It gets them to like Nintendo early. And Nintendo is also trying to appeal to the older market, now. Brain Age has to be one of the first games my mom has ever bought and played.

Personally, I like Nintendo's games, but I've always felt like they don't have nearly enough plot. Metroid and Zelda are beginning to have some rather interesting timelines and they have some great potential, but Nintendo doesn't seem to be too great at this aspect.
I don't actually care too much about Mario being the whole "save the princess" thing over and over. Mario doesn't need a big storyline, but Zelda and Metroid would only benefit, I feel.

About Nintendo's games being aimed at kids, I think something like GTA or 50 Cent Bulletproof is more fit for the 13-year old crowd than something like Super Smash Bros.
no, but they don't have any games that ARE suited for a 14 year old crowd...13 year old crowd....something like Dark cloud maybe (if you don't know what that is use the google image thing) or maybe some Final Fantasy....OH MAN! SONY SHOULD BRING CRASH BANDICOOT TO THE PS3! THAT WOULD BE AWSOME!

As opposed to Sony and Nintendo who are out to send bottles of champagne to their competitors and give out their games and systems for free, right?
I don't think you got my point.
The way I see it as soon as microsoft heard that someone else is bringing out a new console they quickly pull together an Xbox360, dunno how they though of that name...but anyway they pull out an Xbox360 in like a month, and The way I see it they didn't improve much at all.....
Although nintendo and sony are actually working on their systems for awhile and improving other things rather than graphics.

I don't think you got my point.
The way I see it as soon as microsoft heard that someone else is bringing out a new console they quickly pull together an Xbox360, dunno how they though of that name...but anyway they pull out an Xbox360 in like a month, and The way I see it they didn't improve much at all.....
Although nintendo and sony are actually working on their systems for awhile and improving other things rather than graphics.
Yes; I'm sure the Xbox360 was made in only a month...

Yes; I'm sure the Xbox360 was made in only a month...
-_-
ok, you know what i mean.
maybe not a month but it didn't take them very long at all.

maybe not a month but it didn't take them very long at all.
That's because they didn't need more time. And it was a good idea to try and release their system before the others.

That's because they didn't need more time. And it was a good idea to try and release their system before the others.
DO U EVEN READ MY OTHER POSTS!?
ugh...i just wasted 30 seconds copying my other post.

COPY OF THE OTHER POST:
The way I see it as soon as microsoft heard that someone else is bringing out a new console they quickly pull together an Xbox360, dunno how they though of that name...but anyway they pull out an Xbox360 in like a month, and The way I see it they didn't improve much at all.....
Although nintendo and sony are actually working on their systems for awhile and improving other things rather than graphics.

DO U EVEN READ MY OTHER POSTS!?
ugh...i just wasted 30 seconds copying my other post.

COPY OF THE OTHER POST:
The way I see it as soon as microsoft heard that someone else is bringing out a new console they quickly pull together an Xbox360, dunno how they though of that name...but anyway they pull out an Xbox360 in like a month, and The way I see it they didn't improve much at all.....
Although nintendo and sony are actually working on their systems for awhile and improving other things rather than graphics.
I'm sorry. If time wasn't your concern, then what was the point of that post again?

But they DIDN'T just improve graphics.
They made improvements to the original Xbox.
For instance, the original Xbox was too big and there weren't a lot of good games for it.
They can't really change the "good games" bit, since that's up to the publishers, but they improved the rest.

Sure it's not too original, but an improved Xbox isn't really that bad.
And really, I'm somewhat glad that they're there. Competition is good for the consumer.

For instance, the original Xbox was too big and there weren't a lot of good games for it.
They can't really change the "good games" bit, since that's up to the publishers, but they improved the rest.
So, they made it smaller? Gosh, well done, chaps.

Edit: I know, I know. I'm being facetious.
As opposed to Sony and Nintendo who are out to send bottles of champagne to their competitors and give out their games and systems for free, right?
There is a difference, you know, between simply making money by selling products and being greedy. Nintendo don't just make money for some kind of greedy lust for cash -- they do it because they have to. A lot of people rely on them for their livelihoods. This is true of all companies, of course, but Microsoft and Sony are much more prone to stoop to a much lower level -- stealing, vandalism, abusing monopolies, and so on -- in order to make money on top of the already ludicrous profits they reap just by selling their existing tat. There is a difference there.

Yes, Nintendo sometimes price things highly, or package things inconsiderately, but I don't recall them breaking the law.

finally someone who understand me!!!! :D :D :D
true, very true.

no, but they don't have any games that ARE suited for a 14 year old crowd...13 year old crowd....something like Dark cloud maybe (if you don't know what that is use the google image thing) or maybe some Final Fantasy....OH MAN! SONY SHOULD BRING CRASH BANDICOOT TO THE PS3! THAT WOULD BE AWSOME!
DS has Resident Evil and a remake of FF3 which seemed pretty dark, Xenosaga which is riddled with countless philosophical and religious commentary which a 10 year old wouldn't get, and Wii has quite a lot of FPS games and a survival horror thing.

Also Nintendo aren't nice little angels either. Remember the way they used all those annoying business practices to keep the Gamecube and suspiciously dark GBA alive? (http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=1223) (warning: article contains some swearing). Not that I fully agree with that article, since all major companies do that.

Although nintendo and sony are actually working on their systems for awhile and improving other things rather than graphics.sorry, but I missed something here. with what we know of the PS3, what, other than graphics, has been improved a notable amount? to my knowledge nothing but the controller was improved, and the improvement there is one that, as seems to be widely common opinion among gamers, won't be used for anything worth mentioning. the improvements to the 360 are equal to the improvements to the PS3 except that the PS3 took longer to come out, and keep in mind that just because something takes longer doesn't mean it'll be better.

also, I don't see why your main argument against the 360 seems to be that it was released early. it was a sound marketing strategy that's been done before by sony with the PS2. also, you said you don't know how they got the name 360, but does it matter? people are still gunna buy the wii despite the fact that the name is ridiculous. and lastly, you said that M$ jumped on the next generation thing because others were releasing new consoles.....well of COURSE they were! ffs dude, think about that statement for a second. if you were the head of a television production company and another company just announced plans to release a TV that's twice as large, twice as clear and twice as appealing than yours, are you gunna sit back and watch the entire market shift over to their side or are you gunna release something as a counter to their product?

And the Wii can play SNES, NES, and possibly more. That is something your PS3 can't do. Obviously....

Not until somebody makes an emulator, no.

sorry, but I missed something here. with what we know of the PS3, what, other than graphics, has been improved a notable amount? to my knowledge nothing but the controller was improved, and the improvement there is one that, as seems to be widely common opinion among gamers, won't be used for anything worth mentioning. the improvements to the 360 are equal to the improvements to the PS3 except that the PS3 took longer to come out, and keep in mind that just because something takes longer doesn't mean it'll be better.

also, I don't see why your main argument against the 360 seems to be that it was released early. it was a sound marketing strategy that's been done before by sony with the PS2. also, you said you don't know how they got the name 360, but does it matter? people are still gunna buy the wii despite the fact that the name is ridiculous. and lastly, you said that M$ jumped on the next generation thing because others were releasing new consoles.....well of COURSE they were! ffs dude, think about that statement for a second. if you were the head of a television production company and another company just announced plans to release a TV that's twice as large, twice as clear and twice as appealing than yours, are you gunna sit back and watch the entire market shift over to their side or are you gunna release something as a counter to their product?

oh really? havn't improved anything but the graphics?
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html
read the whole thing.
and before stating something make sure it's correct.
(sorry if that was abit too harsh :p )

oh really? havn't improved anything but the graphics?
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html
read the whole thing.
and before stating something make sure it's correct.
(sorry if that was abit too harsh :p )
So it's capable of online camera, and the ability to play blu-ray discs, which was Sony's idea to bring out anyway.

Am I missing something here?

The Cell processor. :p

So it's capable of online camera, and the ability to play blu-ray discs, which was Sony's idea to bring out anyway.

Am I missing something here?
did u even read the whole thing? cuz i'm not gonna bother to explain all that to you, also watch the video.

the ability to play blu-ray discs, which was Sony's idea to bring out anyway.
This is true. The PS3 can play blu-ray discs for one reason only, and that is to give blu-ray a foothold in the market, because Sony want their system to win. It means an enormous bag of money for them if it does.
Also Nintendo aren't nice little angels either. Remember the way they used all those annoying business practices to keep the Gamecube and suspiciously dark GBA alive? (http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=1223) (warning: article contains some swearing). Not that I fully agree with that article, since all major companies do that.
Well, no. We've had this discussion many times. But that's nothing like as bad -- at least, in my opinion (and that of the law) -- as openly flouting the law like Sony do, or driving out competitors completely like Microsoft do.

Cue that Simpsons episode where Bill Gates "buys" Homer's "internet" "bussiness". :p

Hehehehe, Now THAT was funny.

About lack of "mature" games on the Wii...
Shut up Wormies. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgyxA-nzJCU)
Seems pretty nice though the voice acting and lip sync are terrible.

Well, there's always the chance that the voices in an early trailer aren't the ones chosen for the final game.
We can only hope. That stuff is 4Kids quality. :p

About lack of "mature" games on the Wii...
Shut up Wormies. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgyxA-nzJCU)
Seems pretty nice though the voice acting and lip sync are terrible.
lol so u post one game and that means that now the wii has a whole collection of shooters? :rolleyes:
PS3 games- shut up Iguana (http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=games&platform=1028)
also, looks like a new rayman game is coming out!! ( on both systems)
Wii games - shut up again Iguana (http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=games&platform=1031)
now compare em.
EDIT: HOLY ****ZA! HALF LIFE 2 IS COMING OUT FOR THE PS3!!!!

Aw, man. It looks like Free Radical is only making their next game for PS3/Xbox360...
Suck.

What I hate most about Sony is that they won't put the rumble feature in the controller. "It screws up the motion sensor". WELL DON'T USE BOTH FUNCTIONS IN THE SAME GAME! The sollution is simple as hell. Gah!

What I hate most about Sony is that they won't put the rumble feature in the controller. "It screws up the motion sensor". WELL DON'T USE BOTH FUNCTIONS IN THE SAME GAME! The sollution is simple as hell. Gah!
The solution is even simpler than that: Don't have a motion sensor.

Seriously. The Wii has a proper one, and I'm expecting great things from it because it's actually three motion sensors. It detects tilt, position, and motion. Sony's is a tilt sensor, last I heard. I've played games with a tilt sensitive pad (built by Microsoft) before and it was hell. You have to keep the pad dead level (and different players have different ideas about where dead level is, exactly, so generally it felt unnatural and made your arms ache after too long) if you don't want to find yourself running around like a loony. Ended up turning the tile off and using the D-pad. I'm sure it'd be better in games designed for a tilt pad, but the fact that the PS3's doesn't even work properly at the moment isn't exactly encouraging either.

if you don't want to find yourself running around like a loony.I run around like a loony in most FPSs anyway.

Well, that's not quite true. I sort of alternate between the two extremes of loony and camper. It's notable that my most successful first-person performances have been on Ghost Recon, playing co-op with Jack and his brothers.

oh really? havn't improved anything but the graphics?
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html
read the whole thing.
and before stating something make sure it's correct.
(sorry if that was abit too harsh :p )that sounds factual, not harsh....at least to me.

but anyway, that page you posted is from E3 a year ago, all the info is outdated, and even then, it shows NOTHING that changes anything except the power of the system. that is, quite literally, the ONLY things mentioned in the article you posted. if you can't come up with a decent argument that isn't "ZOMG SONY R TEH WIN!!111 NINTENDO SUXXXX!11111!:mad: :mad: " then you need to stop trying to argue and go back to your sony shrine. :p

seriously though, your argument at this moment is that sony is doing more than microsoft to make games better than just making them look better, and the article YOU pick out among all the articles you could pick out speaks about the hardware present in the PS3 to make things look pretty and the third party consumers that will be carrying the system this time around (yes, carrying, because you can only back a company that's putting forth some form of effort of their own).

it's time you need to face the facts, wormies. the PS3 is a system built to be the most powerful system that they can build today. sony themselves make no claims otherwise (ok, well they try to make it sound better than it is, but it's just fancy words that mean nothing) and the main thing they promote is that they're building a system so many times more powerful than others on the market. the closest thing to innovation that they have is a gyroscope in their controller, and regardless of whether or not it will be used the technology used there-in is nothing new and was actually present in a GAMEBOY game of all places, so there's nothing to brag about if you can manage to squeeze it into something over 4 times the size. other than the gyro in the controller, the only difference between the PS2 and the PS3 are the hardware specs and the disc drives, and the PS3 disc drive is a gamble that may or may not be rewarding to sony, but no matter what won't really change anything about gaming as a whole, just the way games are packaged.

if you can come up with a sensible argument that sony is putting forth effort into making gaming better in any way other than visually I'll accept your opinions as worthy of consideration, but until you manage to do that (which it's impossible) your opinion that sony is better than nintendo simply because they are and we should accept that carries about as much weight to me as a wet paper towel with knife wounds.

lol so u post one game and that means that now the wii has a whole collection of shooters? :rolleyes:
PS3 games- shut up Iguana (http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=games&platform=1028)
Sony consoles always get a load of third party support at first, being the most "mainstream" of the lot. And most really good looking FPSs I've seen so far will probably come out for PC later. Also there are other Wii shooters coming out.

EDIT: HOLY ****ZA! HALF LIFE 2 IS COMING OUT FOR THE PS3!!!!
The PC one is probably going to be a whole lot better, with all the mods and stuff (yes, including Gmod).
Intelligent things
Agreed.

if you can't come up with a decent argument that isn't "ZOMG SONY R TEH WIN!!111 NINTENDO SUXXXX!11111!:mad: :mad: " then you need to stop trying to argue and go back to your sony shrine. :p


what the hell are you talking about? just a few posts ago i said that i like both systems and i might buy a gamecube! but ppl like you are trying to make sony look like crap, and it isn't so i'm just trying to back it up, cuz all of you are like:
"ZOMG NINTENDO R TEH WIN!!111 SONY SUXXXX!11111!:mad: :mad: "

"ZOMG NINTENDO R TEH WIN!!111 SONY SUXXXX!11111!:mad: :mad: "
Actually, I don't recall ANY posts even mentioning the PS3 or any of the next gens being better before you came in.

ture in crappy stores like Walmart and Toys r us...i buy my games in EB games...really hard to choose for me cuz all of their games are different, and forr some reason that is the only store i saw worm games...
And yes I have played those games, Hell i do like the mario games on the gamecube......hm..my birthday is april 19...mario...gamecube....how much will a gamecube cost in april? i really want mario sunshine :p

OK! I HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT!
i love both the PS2 and gamecube, gonna try to get used to the controls once I get one, won't be getting a wii or anything though....
So there, for me both consoles are good and I do like their games like Zelda, Mario and Super smash brothers....
although I hate xbox and I think that microsoft is being greedy and just trying to make some more money out of the billions they already have.

there you made me quote myself, happy now?

Not untill you stop using U as a word. :p

Not untill you stop using U as a word. :p
HAPPY NOW!/!?!?!??!?!?!!!1111?////!?!?!

what the hell are you talking about? just a few posts ago i said that i like both systems and i might buy a gamecube! but ppl like you are trying to make sony look like crap, and it isn't so i'm just trying to back it up, cuz all of you are like:
"ZOMG NINTENDO R TEH WIN!!111 SONY SUXXXX!11111!:mad: :mad: "who's trying to make sony look like crap? I'm just going with what they've done. you're trying to make them look better than they are, I'm saying that you're wrong in your statements. and even then, the things we're all saying are backed up with facts and thought out statements, so regardless of what's being said we're hardly saying "ZOMG NINTENDO R TEH WIN!!111 SONY SUXXXX!11111!:mad: :mad: ". we're arguing a point with facts, you're just saying sony roxx.

C'mon, guys.
Where is the love?
Where is the love
Where is the love
Where is the love
The love, the love.

=
There is no legal way to play NES or SNES games on your PC. It just doesn't exist. There are, however, lots of ways to play those games that the people providing would really like you to believe were legal.
www.gametap.com :p

About lack of "mature" games on the Wii...
Shut up Wormies. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgyxA-nzJCU)
Seems pretty nice though the voice acting and lip sync are terrible.
For the first half of that video I was sure that was a woman. Then...I was like "LOZL WERZ HER B()()BZ" And then she talked like a man. Curse you Japan with you style of men that LOOK just like girls. :mad:

But yeah, I don't see how one could get bored. I can see overweight or lazy people hateing to play games because you have to tilt you're wrist a little bit...but as AT said, there are diffrent control options.
I'd say the wii is the best choice for fun games.

[off-topic]
I would only get the XBox360 for the free XBox live, and this one Sonic game thats coming out only on XBox and PS3. PS3 is too expensive and that is where I can see them dying out unless they change that. The majority of the world is poor, and it would be rediculous to see people makeing payments on consols like people make car payments. It also seems that the PSP is starting to die. I'm sure it will be around for a little bit though. [/off-topic]

And Wormies, stop smoking pot.

www.gametap.com :p
I hadn't heard of that before, but I'm afraid so say I win on a technicality -- there are no NES or SNES games on GameTap.

Sorry.

I hadn't heard of that before, but I'm afraid so say I win on a technicality -- there are no NES or SNES games on GameTap.

Sorry.
I was pointing out that you can play games on you PC legally.

:p

He did say
There is no legal way to play NES or SNES games on your PC. It just doesn't exist. There are, however, lots of ways to play those games that the people providing would really like you to believe were legal.

It says "NES or SNES"

there are no NES or SNES games on GameTap.
There

there are no NES or SNES games on GameTap.there aren't!? I always thought there was.....oh well.

EDIT: HOLY ****ZA! HALF LIFE 2 IS COMING OUT FOR THE PS3!!!!
You are aware that that game runs just fine on the original X-Box, right?

there aren't!? I always thought there was.....oh well.
I had a flip through the list and couldn't see any. It's not inconceivable I might have missed one, but I'd think if there was one there'd be a lot more. There are probably games that were also released on the SNES there.

And Wormies, stop smoking pot.

pot is good for you...

and so what if half life runs on an Xbox, that's cuz xbox is from microsoft, and half life was first on the pc...

and so what if half life runs on an Xbox, that's cuz xbox is from microsoft, and half life was first on the pc...
Are you trying to say that you hate to play HalfLife2 on a Microsoft system?

Are you trying to say that you hate to play HalfLife2 on a Microsoft system?
No, he's saying that PC games are very easily ported to X Box systems and nobody should be impressed by that.

No, he's saying that PC games are very easily ported to X Box systems and nobody should be impressed by that.
is that true? :rolleyes:
(sirious question)

is that true? :rolleyes:
(sirious question)
1: Yes; PC games are very easily ported to X Box systems
2: No; you were obviously not trying to say that.

pot is good for you...
Yeah, it especially improves your grammar and spelling and makes you a mature, intelligent poster.

...oh, wait. :p

Holy crap, you can play Zoombini games on Gametap.

You are aware that that game runs just fine on the original X-Box, right?
But it'll look much nicer on the PS3 I bet. :p

But it'll look much nicer on the PS3 I bet. :pand even better on a computer :p

But it'll look much nicer on the PS3 I bet. :pPresumably it would look rather nicer on an XBox 360 as well.

But it'll look much nicer on the PS3 I bet. :p
I fail to see the point in geting excited about a port of an existing game simply because the graphics will be improved. Especialy in a game that isn't exactly lacking in that department in the first place.

Because not everyone has a nice enough computer to run it at great detail, and most people prefer buying a console than a whole new computer or updating their computer. (Yes, even if the console is stupidly over-priced)
Not that I agree with the tought, just that there are people like that.

There's also people that worship Barbie. And people who worship Jesus! How crazy is that?

Anyway, I am going to make the following statements:

Sony Consoles are for people who just never get bored of all the old kinds of games
Nintendo consoles (at least, the DS and Wii) are for people who are bored of the old types of games and want something new and innovative (eg touch screen, motion sensor capabilities)

Anyway, I am going to make the following statements:

Sony Consoles are for people who just never get bored of all the old kinds of games
Nintendo consoles (at least, the DS and Wii) are for people who are bored of the old types of games and want something new and innovative (eg touch screen, motion sensor capabilities)

err...

If you say so :)



To the thread question - about 3 days? 5 tops :p
Seriously though, it's like waving a little magic wand around, could you LOOK any gayer??

Seriously though, it's like waving a little magic wand around, could you LOOK any gayer??seriously, you can play sports the same way as if you had left your house. you can have sword fights with everything but the blades. you can aim a shot on a game like an actual gun. if you're so afraid to look retarded that you won't enjoy yourself I truly, truly pity you.

Seriously though, it's like waving a little magic wand around, could you LOOK any gayer??
Yes, you could look a LOT gayer. For example -
http://www.islandentertainmentsonline.com/acatalog/manfairy3.jpg
:p

Plus, it's more like miming actions. And mimes are scary. And a lot of people think scary stuff is cool. GO MY LOGIC! :p

My philosophy is: if you don't look like an idiot you can't possibly be having enough fun.

Edit: This goes for all of life, not just consoles.

seriously, you can play sports the same way as if you had left your house. you can have sword fights with everything but the blades. you can aim a shot on a game like an actual gun. if you're so afraid to look retarded that you won't enjoy yourself I truly, truly pity you.
Im not worrying about looking retarded, that wasnt quite what I meant. What I meant was that it doesnt look as if it would even be fun to control. I meant it would feel retarded, more than look it.

Also, I want to play games, not pretend Im doing something outside the house. 'The outside' is seriously overated. If I wanted to do sports, I'd go and do them, not pay £300 to pretend to do them.
Similiarly, when i want to play games, I WANT TO PLAY GAMES! Why pretend to be doing something else if you clearly dont want to be doing it really.

Obviously you cant shoot people in real life (well you can, but y'know...) but if you are THAT desperate to 'aim like an actual gun', just get a lightgun-peripheral-thing. There cheaper than the Wii and 'slightly' more realistic :)


On the other hand, the phrase 'Sword fights with everything but the blades' is a perfect sum up of all things Wii :)


EDIT: woah, 2 more posts already, well as i said, I didnt really mean looking gay, problem would be more like feeling gay, although thats still not quite what I mean. Curse my sludge-brain :-\

I
but if you are THAT desperate to 'aim like an actual gun', just get a lightgun-peripheral-thing. There cheaper than the Wii and 'slightly' more realistic :)
http://www.buzzpatrol.com/news/images/wii-gun.jpg :p
Also, the sword thing is going to be fun. I am definitely getting Red Steel. I just hope that they make it so the guy actually gets cut :p

http://www.buzzpatrol.com/news/images/wii-gun.jpg :p
Also, the sword thing is going to be fun. I am definitely getting Red Steel. I just hope that they make it so the guy actually gets cut :p
o_O they bent one of their controlers, tut tut ninty...

Im not worrying about looking retarded, that wasnt quite what I meant. What I meant was that it doesnt look as if it would even be fun to control. I meant it would feel retarded, more than look it.

Also, I want to play games, not pretend Im doing something outside the house. 'The outside' is seriously overated. If I wanted to do sports, I'd go and do them, not pay £300 to pretend to do them.
Similiarly, when i want to play games, I WANT TO PLAY GAMES! Why pretend to be doing something else if you clearly dont want to be doing it really.

Obviously you cant shoot people in real life (well you can, but y'know...) but if you are THAT desperate to 'aim like an actual gun', just get a lightgun-peripheral-thing. There cheaper than the Wii and 'slightly' more realistic :)


On the other hand, the phrase 'Sword fights with everything but the blades' is a perfect sum up of all things Wii :)


EDIT: woah, 2 more posts already, well as i said, I didnt really mean looking gay, problem would be more like feeling gay, although thats still not quite what I mean. Curse my sludge-brain :-\uh....no offense, but that post makes it sound like you know literally nothing about the system. the lightgun would be a horribly cheap immitation of the wiimote, for one, and thinking it would be an upgrade shows obvious ignorance of the truth (don't take it like an insult, it's an adjetive. look it up if you have to :p). you can play games on the wii just as well as on anything else, there are gunna be peripherals that allow you to play in tons of different ways, including a normal-style controller for the traditionalists.

and btw, the phrase 'Sword fights with everything but the blades' is only a perfect sum up of all things wii if you have next to no idea what the games on the wii are like or what the controller is capable of. seriously, have some imagination man! :p oh and while having that imagination, keep in mind the peripheral to look like a standard controller. not everything will be played using the new motion detection thing....if everything WERE played with motion sensing, the system would start to suck really quick.

uh....no offense, but that post makes it sound like you know literally nothing about the system.
Oh bummer, did it really show? :p

the lightgun would be a horribly cheap immitation of the wiimote, for one, and thinking it would be an upgrade shows obvious ignorance of the truth
I didnt mean an upgrade, I meant you wouldnt have to BUY a Wii, as personally there is nothing on it (that i have seen so far, haha :rolleyes: ) that looks g00d
(don't take it like an insult, it's an adjetive. look it up if you have to).

Very funny :)
you can play games on the wii just as well as on anything else, there are gunna be peripherals that allow you to play in tons of different ways, including a normal-style controller for the traditionalists.

Again, this shows just HOW little I know about it :p

and btw, the phrase 'Sword fights with everything but the blades' is only a perfect sum up of all things wii if you have next to no idea what the games on the wii are like or what the controller is capable of. seriously, have some imagination man! oh and while having that imagination, keep in mind the peripheral to look like a standard controller. not everything will be played using the new motion detection thing....if everything WERE played with motion sensing, the system would start to suck really quick.
Welll at least we agree on one thing :p



Im not saying it's going to suck, nintendo know what they are doing and have been doing it longer than anyone, I am simply saying that personally, the Wii has nothing that excites me, simple as that


Also: In case you havent noticed, I tend to exaggerate and estimate hugely in arguments :P

Similiarly, when i want to play games, I WANT TO PLAY GAMES!
What you're doing there is essentially defining "videogames" as "something you play on a conventional console with a conventional controller" -- it's narrow minded and, as Akuryou said, severely lacking in imagination.

The Wii won't be to everyone's tastes, no. It's not supposed to be. If you want a standard, common-or-garden, straight-down-the-line console like you already own, get yourself a PS3; that's what it's for. If you want to do something you've never done before, go bungee jumping or get a Wii.

It's your call, but if you'd really rather play the same games again only prettier, then you're probably missing out on a lot more in life than computer games.
just get a lightgun-peripheral-thing. There cheaper than the Wii and 'slightly' more realistic :)
...But they don't exist.

Seriously, the last at-home, hand-held light gun that had any mainstream games released for it was the NES Zapper. And you could hit every time with that by aiming at a light bulb.
o_O they bent one of their controlers, tut tut ninty...
What on Earth are you talking about?
(don't take it like an insult, it's an adjetive. look it up if you have to :p)
If you'd taken your own advice you'd know it is in fact a noun. :p

If you'd taken your own advice you'd know it is in fact a noun. :pok ok ok, so I'm an idiot and I know almost nothing about grammar. so sue me. :p

the Wii has nothing that excites me, simple as thatwell, I DO suggest that you look into the capabilities of the system a bit more as you might then find something you'll like, but as AT said, the system isn't for everyone. if you like it that's fine, though I'm personally the type to say that you should try something before forming an opinion about it in most cases. but, if you don't, that's your loss, so you just do whatever you feel like doing

Seriously though, it's like waving a little magic wand around, could you LOOK any gayer??
Yes. (http://forum.team17.co.uk/member.php?u=47338) : )
the Wii has nothing that excites me, simple as that.
Then don't post here if you don't know anything about the console and aren't interested in it at all. Easy as that.

Seriously though, it's like waving a little magic wand around, could you LOOK any gayer??
wii
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZCDZuxvyQ&mode=related&search=
vs
ps3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUInUB3Iqc&mode=related&search= ( i had the worng link at first but its fixed now... wrong one is still pretty cool > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58hfb9ZxzK8&mode=related&search= )

you decide whats more 'gay':p

wrong one is still pretty cool > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58hfb9ZxzK8&mode=related&search= )

you decide whats more 'gay':p

"It doesn't even say anything about it being eye toy or ps3..."
:rolleyes:

What you're doing there is essentially defining "videogames" as "something you play on a conventional console with a conventional controller" -- it's narrow minded and, as Akuryou said, severely lacking in imagination.Here's a thought: you could simulate board games by using the Wiimote as a dice-roller cup and as a counter!

... okay, it's a bit daft, but still - they're a type of game.

Sometimes I have no idea who's side you're on. I'm beginning to suspect you just like to feel like you're joining in.

Sometimes I have no idea who's side you're on. I'm beginning to suspect you just like to feel like you're joining in.Probably something like that, yeah.

I don't really have a side, TBH. I'm supporting the Wii on principle, but I don't know if I'll get one (if I bought a next-gen console, it would be the Wii, but I have no real plans to buy a next-gen console) because I'm a PC-and-handheld gamer at heart (I don't have a TV in my room, either. I used to have one, but I wasn't particularly fussed about it as I only used it to play my PSOne, and then I got one of those little flip-down screens for it [because I didn't want to have to pay a TV license if I took it to university]. And the downstairs telly already has three boxes underneath it... and something inside it has broken, so the picture now takes on a gently hyperbolic shape, much to the chargin of my parents).

just out of curiosity, there was talk a long time ago of the wii having a port for use with a computer monitor. has there ever been anything declaring that to be false?

u can't compare those 2 vids....
U're comparing a controller to a camera....
but damn that tennis game looks cool...
find some vids of the PS3 controller though

Why?
It looks almost exactly the same.

Unless you're talking about the tilt function thing.
I have WarioWare: Twisted! to tell me how that would work. (This is assuming that it detects rotation and not some other tilt direction.)

u can't compare those 2 vids....
U're comparing a controller to a camera....
but damn that tennis game looks cool...
find some vids of the PS3 controller thoughonly thing to show for that one is a few games that would require a joystick or something, as that's basically what gyros are used for. aside from that showing a PS3 controller video wouldn't really show much.

"It doesn't even say anything about it being eye toy or ps3..."
:rolleyes:

i found this vid when looking for eyetoy vids, and i thought "mm.. TUNA!!11"


u can't compare those 2 vids....
U're comparing a controller to a camera....
but damn that tennis game looks cool...
find some vids of the PS3 controller though
it was for comparing wich is more gay, waving a stick around or waving yourself around.
(ps3 controller > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mhp_R27YFg )

i found this vid when looking for eyetoy vids, and i thought "mm.. TUNA!!11"


it was for comparing wich is more gay, waving a tick around or waving yourself around.
(ps3 controller > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mhp_R27YFg )

I hope you are suggesting that the Wii controller is the one that waves the whole you around and not the PS3 controller. I mean, just look at them playing tennis on the Wii.

(ps3 controller > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mhp_R27YFg )
Hey, another vid on that shows that the PS3 contrroller would be able to have vibrations.

Perhaps they could have rumble wristbands or something =P

I hope you are suggesting that the Wii controller is the one that waves the whole you around and not the PS3 controller. I mean, just look at them playing tennis on the Wii.

He probably meant using the eyetoy on the PS3, not the controller.

repeat after me: "OOPS!"

...kicked off with a demonstration of Wii Sports: Tennis. The demo was supposed to show just how intuitive and easy to pick up the Wii's controller is. What followed was quite the opposite, as the cast of a grandmother, a young man, and a 7-year-old girl that Nintendo had assembled failed to complete a rally of more than two or three shots in as many games. Memorable quotes from the players that were translated into English included: "I don't know who I am," "I only played for the first time this morning," and "Did I win?" Fakesch hastily brought the demonstration to an end after a few minutes, stating, "That was almost as good as Wimbledon!"

that's what you get for relying on any average person to demo your games :p I think they should stick to gamers :p

Oh my.
I think the guy they had play the Wii for the first time did a good job, but he was probably a gamer already.

...kicked off with a demonstration of Wii Sports: Tennis. The demo was supposed to show just how intuitive and easy to pick up the Wii's controller is. What followed was quite the opposite, as the cast of a grandmother, a young man, and a 7-year-old girl that Nintendo had assembled failed to complete a rally of more than two or three shots in as many games. Memorable quotes from the players that were translated into English included: "I don't know who I am," "I only played for the first time this morning," and "Did I win?" Fakesch hastily brought the demonstration to an end after a few minutes, stating, "That was almost as good as Wimbledon!"

In fairness, I'd like to see how at least the first and last of those would fair in a real tennis match...

I think I'd be hopeless at Wii Sports: Tennis, too, but that's because my tennis repertoire has three shots: the complete miss, the whang off the frame that goes in an entirely unexpected direction and the SMASH that clears the back fence and goes rolling into some trees... (Clearing that back fence is a far more entertaining game than tennis, mind...)

If they made a cricket game, though, I'd like to try that out, even though I'd probably do just as poorly (and probably have the exact same repertoire of shots...).

I think they're going overboard with the "anyone can pick up and play" thing. sure, it's EASY to pick up, but you can hardly expect someone to pick up a controller and be a great player. perhaps they should've brought in tennis players who didn't play video games rather than random old ladies and kids.

I couldn't care less about inviting new people too the whole gaming thing. I'm getting sick of this user friendly world that we are turning into. Is the Wii a good consol for us gaming veterans or is it just an introduction device to newbies?

Nintendo probably want it to be both.

Is the Wii a good consol for us gaming veterans or is it just an introduction device to newbies?
Why do you think there's a difference?

I couldn't care less about inviting new people too the whole gaming thing. I'm getting sick of this user friendly world that we are turning into. Is the Wii a good consol for us gaming veterans or is it just an introduction device to newbies?

What would you say the NES was? Because there were games for it that were very difficult.

It isn't the console that's an introduction, it's the games.

I generally take the view that the best way to learn gaming is to just play anything. When you first play Online multiplayer for any game you're thrown into the deep end of the game instantly. I've never seen any game that I would label "Introduction to Gaming".

Is the Wii a good consol for us gaming veterans or is it just an introduction device to newbies?Yes.

(I'm growing to love the Mathematician's Answer...)