http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=31704&video_id=313&quality=high



How sad.

what an ****. how could u punch down such a harmless old lady

There are some seriously messed up people in this world.

What a ****ing ******. How can people live with themselves.

It makes you consider the death penalty doesn't it.

IMO, that's worse than that video of animals being skinned alive. I mean in terms of evilness, not gruesomeness.

IMO, that's worse than that video of animals being skinned alive. I mean in terms of evilness, not gruesomeness.

Not sure on that one.

Why on earth did that guy punch and kick the elderly woman? That's just not on.

He's a sick freak, I say.

I did that, but replace old lady with young kids in Year 1. Who annoyed me, so i annoyed them back. :)

That's cruel, whatever happened to that guy? I hope he got a death sentence, or something that would serve as justice.

I did that, but replace old lady with young kids in Year 1. Who annoyed me, so i annoyed them back. :)
What? Beat the living crap out of them? Well thats something to be proud of. :p

I did that, but replace old lady with young kids in Year 1. Who annoyed me, so i annoyed them back. :)

And how old were you at the time?

He said they were younger than him, so does it matter?

He said they were younger than him, so does it matter?
no he said they where young, he could be young too :P But still... why would you beat the crap out of someone? :-/

no he said they where young, he could be young too :P But still... why would you beat the crap out of someone? :-/
For fun.:-/
Although there are also many more logical reasons.

I hope he got a death sentence, or something that would serve as justice.
So you're saying that beating someone up is a terrible thing to do, but killing someone is a just and righteous thing...

So you're saying that beating someone up is a terrible thing to do, but killing someone is a just and righteous thing...

Beating someone up who did the same thing to you = Good.
but beating up an harmless old lady that did nothing to you = Terrible.
Kill someone = Bad.

I agree with Kelster he diserves to die.

Kill someone = Bad.

I agree with Kelster he diserves to die.
I'm getting mixed messages now...

For fun.:-/
Although there are also many more logical reasons.


So you're saying that beating someone up is a terrible thing to do, but killing someone is a just and righteous thing...
Killing someone can be the right thing to do. Give someone a life sentence and they'll probably be out in a few years. People like that have the potential to kill several people. It's better to kill that one person than risk him killing others. However I think a death penalty is a slippery slope, what with technology these days. You could create CCTV footage and sound of someone etc. My point is the death penalty is bad because no matter how hard the courts can try, there will be the odd verdict that they get wrong, which would be disastrous.

But still... why would you beat the crap out of someone? :-/

There are many reasons. Do I really need to go through them?

no he said they where young, he could be young too :P But still... why would you beat the crap out of someone? :-/
Ah, but he implied they were younger than him.

There are many reasons. Do I really need to go through them?I think there a very few good reasons for beating the crap aout of someone on the scale that that man did, especialy considering how much weaker than him she would have been.

I also agree with the death penalty...for murder and possibly rape, but that was just assault. However uterly despicable it was, thats all it was, if you were to go hanging everyone who commited GBH then the hangmen would be kept very busy.


That's not to say he doesn't deserve to die.
My point is the death penalty is bad because no matter how hard the courts can try, there will be the odd verdict that they get wrong, which would be disastrous.
I did a speech on this for school a while ago, and I was all for hanging murderers. According to research I did it is estimated that for every execution anything from three to eighteen lives are saved, depending on the different reports that I read. Yet executing a wrong person is very rare. So in balance I think it's a case of 'the ends justifies the means'.

According to research I did it is estimated that for every execution anything from three to eighteen lives are saved, depending on the different reports that I read.
And what do you base that on?

Ah, but he implied they were younger than him.And younger kids tend to deserve what they get. Before I passed my driving test I had to go on the bus with all the little annoying kids, at least 2 years younger. One of them was humorously described by a teacher as "one of those children who need to be taken to the toilet after you tell them off". Most of the time the deserve everything they get if they annoy people older and stronger than them. Anyway, one of my friends flipped one day, picked him up by the neck and pushed him in a blackberry bush. They never annoyed us again.

I think there a very few good reasons for beating the crap aout of someone on the scale that that man did, especialy considering how much weaker than him she would have been.


Not on that scale. I agree with you there.

And younger kids tend to deserve what they get. Before I passed my driving test I had to go on the bus with all the little annoying kids, at least 2 years younger. One of them was humorously described by a teacher as "one of those children who need to be taken to the toilet after you tell them off". Most of the time the deserve everything they get if they annoy people older and stronger than them. Anyway, one of my friends flipped one day, picked him up by the neck and pushed him in a blackberry bush. They never annoyed us again.They normally deserve a good whacking, but Bolton said he did the same thing as that man, just to year 1s, which will allways be massively out of proportion.

I'm guessing he exagurated a bit though.

And what do you base that on?
That's not my working, that's what was in the reports I read.

I can't find that report atm, and I can't be bothered to google any more, but here is an extract from a page citing the results from two of the people I quoted.

A study by Isaac Ehrlich which found that the murder rate responded to changes in the likelihood of execution. He concluded that 7 or 8 murders were prevented by each execution from 1933 to 1967. 10,11
A study by Kenneth Wolpin which showed that each execution, on average, reduced the number of murders in England by 4. 12. Other articles and books are: 13,14,15

http://ilex.cc.kcl.ac.uk/year1/2003/couch/Capital%20punishment%20-%20the%20death%20penalty%202.txt

http://ilex.cc.kcl.ac.uk/year1/2003/couch/Capital%20punishment%20-%20the%20death%20penalty%202.txt
Note that it is the only part in the "Does the death penalty deter homicides?" section that states that the death penalty reduces murders.
It also doesn't explain the bases on those surveys.


And in theory, there will always be an increase of murders by 1 for every criminal executed instead of being given a life sentence.

Note that it is the only part in the "Does the death penalty deter homicides?" section that states that the death penalty reduces murders.
It also doesn't explain the bases on those surveys.


And in theory, there will always be an increase of murders by 1 for every criminal executed instead of being given a life sentence.
Yes, I realise that that may not have been the best site to refer to for my argument, as most of it is anti-capital punishment, but all the pro-capital punishment sites than stated those figures were either legnthy PDFs or only reffered to America.

Also that site doesn't mention that murder rates, both in Britain and America, rose dramatically after the death penalty was abolished, compared to a steady decline previously, and that the levels began to decline again in America when it was reintroduced.

Oh, and a muder is defined as an unlawful killing, so if the country allows execution, it's not murder. (also, if those statistics about murders being deterred are true, it means more lives are being saved overall)

Yes, I know my views wouldn't be popular at a human rights convention, lets not dwell on this for much longer.

... speechless ...

Justice really isn't the best nowadays... some guy was caught making child pornography, and posting it on the internet. His jail sentance (god, I can't always spell!) was only two weeks. He got out, and I can't remember if he still had his computer.

Urrr guys... Do you even realise that she died because of the beating-up thing? You guys are only talking about death penalties n stuff. He beat up, and KILLED the elderly woman. So he deserves to die too. It's like this: Kill someone, get killed...

i agree... man... like the maffia :P capish?

That is just sick and wrong... I hope he dies.
I don't know what else to say.

So he deserves to die too. It's like this: Kill someone, get killed...
If that were true, then noone would be an executioner...

She died, oh, in that case I do think he should be hung.

If that were true, then noone would be an executioner...Or in the armed forces.

Or in the armed forces.
Hey, that would actually be pretty sweet.
...
Except for when someone steps on a baby, and the entire population of the world gets destroyed!

Excuse me, don't you see any need for the armed forces?

The world's a violent place.

Urrr guys... Do you even realise that she died because of the beating-up thing?
Err...no she didn't.

The woman, who works as a street vendor, selling hats, T-shirts and umbrellas was listed in stable condition with a broken cheekbone and nose. She released a statement thanking everyone for their love and support and stated she wants to get back to selling t-shirts as soon as possible.The man captured on videotape appears to be in his late twenties or early thirties, of medium build, with a backpack slung over his shoulder.

She died, oh, in that case I do think he should be hung.

Unless he's in Canada... there's no capital punishment at all. In some states there is... what about where the rest of you live? Is there capital punishment there? Hanging was banned here awhile ago.

I'm actully am a nice guy, i do get the idea to pick on younger students but i resist that, although i feel that bombs beat terrorism, not negotiantion

Unless he's in Canada... there's no capital punishment at all. In some states there is... what about where the rest of you live? Is there capital punishment there? Hanging was banned here awhile ago.
Well there's none over here in the UK, but I still think he should be executed.

Unless he's in Canada... there's no capital punishment at all. In some states there is... what about where the rest of you live? Is there capital punishment there? Hanging was banned here awhile ago.
None in Ireland, thankfully!

Does anybody know why he beat up the lady?
The sick freak deserves to be tortured with rusty knives for two hours before he slowly and painfully dies!

Oh, now I see. He robbed her, but luckily she survived with a broken nose and cheekbone.

Nasty.
If you're really stooping down to beating up an old lady just to steal some of her stuff... simply pathetic. And this stuff goes on EVERY day. I just don't get why the media focuses on "Your kid's next MySpace entry could be his last!" rather than people like this that wander the streets mugging old people.

kill someone, get killed huh...

well, who is going to kill that man then?:p
i dont think he deserves to die, at least not by the elctric chair or hanging.
they could put him in a cel, until he is so very sorry and eaten away by the feeling of guilt that he can barely take it. then he should be freed and be watched over for at least a year. if he doesnt commit a single crime in that time and truly regrets it, freedom. if not, back to jail and try it all over again.

kill someone, get killed huh...

well, who is going to kill that man then?:p
i dont think he deserves to die, at least not by the elctric chair or hanging.
they could put him in a cel, until he is so very sorry and eaten away by the feeling of guilt that he can barely take it. then he should be freed and be watched over for at least a year. if he doesnt commit a single crime in that time and truly regrets it, freedom. if not, back to jail and try it all over again.
Y'know, you should be in charge of our justice system over here.

Being as kind as possible doesn't work, the pont is not just to make sure they never commit a crime again, but that others are put off crime.

Y'know, you should be in charge of our justice system over here.

Being as kind as possible doesn't work, the pont is not just to make sure they never commit a crime again, but that others are put off crime.
ok, skip the freeing part, and it will be way more painfull then a sudden blow of electricity. hit them as hard as you can in a mental way, not physically. physical wounds heal... mental wounds can chase them forever :p
im thinking, visiting a very evil psychiatrist. who will make him believe he is worthless, make him suffer and let him ki-

im thinking, visiting a very evil psychiatrist. who will make him believe he is worthless, make him suffer and let him ki-
That's WORSE than killing him outright.
Unless that's what you intended. In which case, dont come back until you've fully read the new testament.

Which would you fear more? Death, or imprisonment?

I know which one would hurt more, but I also know which one is the worse punishment.

An your pysciatrist idea is just stupid, I can't even be bothered to explain why, and I shouldn't have to.