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Other than we're pretty busy with a bunch of things on various platforms.

"Something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue"


Hmmmm

Resurrecting an old game (series), starting a totally new series, maybe doing something like lemmings again, and possibly something to do with water?

What do you think?

Well at first I thought someone was getting married:p

As this forum looks a little barren at the moment, how about we start up four separate threads entitled "Something old", "Something new", "Something borrowed" and "Something blue"?

"Something old", "Something new", "Something borrowed" and "Something blue"
Hmm... Cryptic rhymes.
Maybe the "new" is an awsomely sophisticated rhyme generator.

I was thinking that "something blue" was just thrown in there because it rhymed with "new". We'll see. :p

As this forum looks a little barren at the moment, how about we start up four separate threads entitled "Something old", "Something new", "Something borrowed" and "Something blue"?
I get to be the 'Something blue'!!

I was thinking that "something blue" was just thrown in there because it rhymed with "new". We'll see. :p
It's a common phrase, in the UK anyway. A bride is supposed to wear something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue when she gets married.

A bride is supposed to wear something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue when she gets married.
Married? :eek:
I hope this doesn't that mean T17 have been bought up by Sony.

I get to be the 'Something blue'!!
That team17 are working on?

Could this be something to do with Akuryou's marriage?

Akuryou13 doesn't work at Team17, and I'll be damned if any teamsters checked the threads in the FanArt forum (apart from Sel of course, to delete spam).

*shudders*

Could this be something to do with Akuryou's marriage?if you can come up with a logical reason why they would make ANY kind of reference to me and my fiancee at all you get 2 cookies with teh whipped cream!!

seriously though, I'm fairly certain no one from Team17 even likes me much less enough to make a post about me :p

and on the topic at hand, I'd say the something old would be alien breed (I've been guessing that for a while), something new will likely be unguessable seeing as it suggests something completely new to us (anything they make will be new, obviously, so logically if it's called "new" specifically it must be something entirely new, if you get what I'm saying), the something borrowed may well be something like lemmings, as it came from another company, and something blue must mean a new smurfs RPG game where you enlist the help of your smurfy compatriots to smurf the smurf out of gargamel's smurf!.....it's only logical.

Alien Breed:

It's something old, yet they must be doing something new and different with it. The engine could be borrowed. The aliens are blue... ish (on the cover anyway).

Alien Breed:

It's something old, yet they must be doing something new and different with it. The engine could be borrowed. The aliens are blue... ish (on the cover anyway).
You could say the same about anything really.

Worms is an old idea now, but a new one would be new. The concept was borrowed from Andy Davidson and the water surrounding the maps is blue.

Lemmings is quite old, it could be a new version. The concept was borrowed from whoever did it (not actually sure who came up with it as I never had the game and although I liked the game, I only played it a few times). The lemmings are also blue.

If you put it like that, it could be anything.

You could say the same about anything really.

Worms is an old idea now, but a new one would be new. The concept was borrowed from Andy Davidson and the water surrounding the maps is blue.

By a new I meant it hadn't been done recently.

Blue was a bit hard to come up with though.

By a new I meant it hadn't been done recently.

Blue was a bit hard to come up with though.
I think the something blue is probably the same thing as one of the others, ie, the new thing might also be blue, and they just decided to say it again for the sake of the rhyme.

I think the best guess so far is that Team17 are have been bought up by a larger company. It would make a nice crossword clue.

But why Team17 would be proud of doing that is beyond the absurdity of an exploding sheep.

Blue as in the 'blue ocean' market that Nintendo Wii aims for?

Lemmings is quite old, it could be a new version. The concept was borrowed from whoever did it (not actually sure who came up with it as I never had the game and although I liked the game, I only played it a few times). The lemmings are also blue.
Lemmings were done by PSYGNOSIS and DMA DESIGN, before both companies collapsed under the strain of Sony's buying.
Heck, Team17 have just finished a lemmings game, and there is already another coming out for the PS2! (With eyetoy function 0-o)

AH HA!
TEAM17 old name was OCEAN ENTERTAINMENT. THE LOGO! It was blue!:eek: :eek: :eek:
Maybe they're changing their name, maybe cos the've 'borrowed' more people so there are no longer 17 of them! So the new name's new!
So:
OLD-Old name
NEW-New name?
BORROWED-Team Members
BLUE-Old name.



Then again, did anyone notice it was in quotation marks? So it's just an old saying? Who knows. (Maybe the angular wooden girraffe knows!:p )

AH HA!
TEAM17 old name was OCEAN ENTERTAINMENT.
Ocean published some T17 games, which is why their logo appears in some old Worms games, but it's a completly separate company.

AH HA!
TEAM17 old name was OCEAN ENTERTAINMENT

Not it wasn't. 17-bit Software was their old name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team17

Maybe they're changing their name, maybe cos the've 'borrowed' more people so there are no longer 17 of them! So the new name's new!the number of employees was never related to the name, it was the fact that everyone else was 16-bit, so T17 had to one-up them.

it was the fact that everyone else was 16-bit, so T17 had to one-up them.
They were a bit better than the 16-bit games producing companies. ;)

Ocean - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Software

It's a shame they aren't really.

something old... alien breed or superfrog? :p
something new... well, something new O_o
something borrowed... like working for other companies like nint... WAIT!! can Boogy B. be in Smash bros!!!??? probably not :p
and something blue... well... lemmings wear blue :p


Or maybe, we should ask Spadge :p

Or maybe, we should ask Spadge
I'm sure Spadge will tease us with more titbits of information over the coming months...


Bonz: The reason for T17 being called 17-bit software is because they were: "That bit better than the rest" ;)

I'm sure Spadge will tease us with more titbits of information over the coming months...

But that's better than nothing ;)

Bonz: The reason for T17 being called 17-bit software is because they were: "That bit better than the rest" ;)
I was to lazy to look up the correct tag line.

Annnnyway, what does it matter what Spadge's announcement was anyway?
I mean, it's only a saying.
Duh.

Annnnyway, what does it matter what Spadge's announcement was anyway?
I mean, it's only a saying.
Duh.this is Team17, they have a way of adding seemingly-innocent phrases to their announcements in order to lead us to conclusions about something actually relevant.

this is Team17, they have a way of adding seemingly-innocent phrases to their announcements in order to lead us to conclusions about something actually relevant.
Well, I'm increasingly of the opinion that they just threw that saying in without it actually having much relevance to what they are doing, and we've just assumed that they meant it literally and actually are doing something old/new/borrowed/blue.

Something Blue = Worms Blast 2?:p

Heck, even that rhymes. That must be it. The game title must rhyme with the hint!

*tried to think of a Team17 title they could revive that rhymes with 'old'*

*fails*

So much for that.

Well, I'm increasingly of the opinion that they just threw that saying in without it actually having much relevance to what they are doing, and we've just assumed that they meant it literally and actually are doing something old/new/borrowed/blue. They had a bet running to wether us forumers would be stupid enough to make five threads discussing a thoroughly random quote. Spadge won.

They had a bet running to wether us forumers would be stupid enough to make five threads discussing a thoroughly random quote. Spadge won.
It wouldn't suprise me if they're laughing at us because we've taken this entire thing the wrong way.

I bet my confidence that they are laughing at us.

They had a bet running to wether us forumers would be stupid enough to make five threads discussing a thoroughly random quote. Spadge won.
Yes. Spadge won.
He has won a keg of beer.

He has won a keg of beer.

They can have all the beer they want... He doesn't mind about that bit

Something Old...
...could be the revival of any number of old franchises from their Amiga days. The preferred titles would be Alien Breed (of which we are already aware there is a new game in the works) and SuperFrog (which Team17 have been threatening to do for some time), although there's always the possibility of follow-ups to loads of older titles: Speris Legacy, Body Blows, StuntGP, etc.

Something new...
...is, obviously, something brand new. This could be anything, really. Spadge has said that Team17 are working on something for the DS - this may be it.

Something borrowed...
...is Army Men.

Something blue...
Hmm, no idea. Plenty of possibilities here but I can't think of anything in particular.

Something borrowed...
...is Army Men.

Well, on the plus side, they couldn't make it any worse. And it's still a very good concept.

I never played Army Men. Is it that bad?

You can close this thread. I know what the answer to all of this is.




42.

42.
That's not the answer to everything, you know.

Well, on the plus side, they couldn't make it any worse. And it's still a very good concept.I agree, it IS a good concept....to bad it can't be implemented in a way that makes it interesting.

42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything; considering that the ratio is 1:1:1, the answer to everything is 19.

I remember reading a review for an Army Men game that got 6 or 7 out of ten. And the opening para was something like "Ho hum, a new Army Men game. But what's this? This one's actually... good???"

Who knows.. could even be a worms dating sim.. Get married and stuff.

Who knows.. could even be a worms dating sim.. Get married and stuff.

That would be the end of Team17. :p

That would be the end of Team17. :p...by my hands...

I am, at the moment, counting down the days to Team17 being bought out by Sony, or Infogrames, or EA, or Codemasters, or even Microsoft. It happened to most of the greats of the day - Gremlin Graphics, Sensible Software, Psygnosis, Ocean... the clock, she is a-tickin'.

TBH, I have not taken the news that Team17 are now working with non-original IP well, but I do understand the reasons why (i.e. the "needs" videogames market, which, at the moment, is pretty much built on genre-straddling sequels, rather than nurturing originality). In a semi-perfect world, Team17 would be part-owned by Nintendo, and their originality and innovation would again be allowed to flourish. As much as I love Team17, I do think it is only a matter of time before they are eaten by a larger entity and all but vanish into the ether.

I don't think their over-reliance on the Worms brand has helped, either.

While we're at it, I can confidently predict that the new Alien Breed game in development is going to be an FPS, because this is what the market likes. This is why AB2K4 didn't get picked up by a publisher.

Team17 being bought out by Sony, or Infogrames, or EA, or Codemasters, or even Microsoft. It happened to most of the greats of the day - Gremlin Graphics, Sensible Software, Psygnosis, Ocean...
That's sad, but highly likely.
I can confidently predict that the new Alien Breed game in development is going to be an FPS, because this is what the market likes. This is why AB2K4 didn't get picked up by a publisher.
Reasonable.
I do like games from a first person perspective more, as I think that you can really think you are the protagonist, instead of watching some character name Jack, John or James over the shoulder.

And since Sierra/Fox haven't released Aliens vs. Predator 3 yet, this could become quite a good game.

Yeah, no doubt the new Alien Breed is the game T17 liscensed the Unreal engine for.

TBH, I have not taken the news that Team17 are now working with non-original IP well, but I do understand the reasons why (i.e. the "needs" videogames market, which, at the moment, is pretty much built on genre-straddling sequels, rather than nurturing originality).
That's the price they pay for being independent though. I know T17 are proud of their independence and all, but what's the use if they're not really doing anything original? I mean, the point of being indy is that no publisher can tell you what to do, and you can go off and try making some innovative games. But this is exactly what T17 *can't* do because being independent means they have to be bringing in some sort of money to survive.

TBH, I give 'em huge kudos for outlasting Lionhead ... didn't think T17 would be the last major indy developer in the UK. Speaking of LH though ...

In a semi-perfect world, Team17 would be part-owned by Nintendo, and their originality and innovation would again be allowed to flourish. As much as I love Team17, I do think it is only a matter of time before they are eaten by a larger entity and all but vanish into the ether.
... it seems to me Microsoft Games is treating their developers very well. Look at, for example, Ensemble and Bungie. Both putting out great games, being allowed to work on what they want, in the timeframe of their choosing. It makes sense for MS to have a solid first-party line-up, since consoles, lets not forget, are all about the games. Honestly, if you're going to be bought out by someone, MS is probably the best choice ... essentially unlimited funding, great hardware to work on, flexible timeframes and a genuine need for great games, not just great selling games. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what Lionhead can produce at Microsoft.


But yeah, back on topic then, the fact is that I don't see T17 or any other indy developer being able to get out of this downward spiral of making uninspired games and getting diminishing returns on them. I think when T17 do eventually get bought out, they'll probably start producing better games than they are in their current "independent" state.


SiN

I am, at the moment, counting down the days to Team17 being bought out by Sony, or Infogrames, or EA, or Codemasters, or even Microsoft. It happened to most of the greats of the day - Gremlin Graphics, Sensible Software, Psygnosis, Ocean... the clock, she is a-tickin'.

TBH, I have not taken the news that Team17 are now working with non-original IP well, but I do understand the reasons why (i.e. the "needs" videogames market, which, at the moment, is pretty much built on genre-straddling sequels, rather than nurturing originality). In a semi-perfect world, Team17 would be part-owned by Nintendo, and their originality and innovation would again be allowed to flourish. As much as I love Team17, I do think it is only a matter of time before they are eaten by a larger entity and all but vanish into the ether.

I don't think their over-reliance on the Worms brand has helped, either.

While we're at it, I can confidently predict that the new Alien Breed game in development is going to be an FPS, because this is what the market likes. This is why AB2K4 didn't get picked up by a publisher.

Wrong on all points actually!

But yeah, back on topic then, the fact is that I don't see T17 or any other indy developer being able to get out of this downward spiral of making uninspired games and getting diminishing returns on them. I think when T17 do eventually get bought out, they'll probably start producing better games than they are in their current "independent" state.I know they're not quite in the same leage as T17, but Introversion (Darwinia + Uplink) seem to be doing pretty well now. But then they weren't as bothered about surving in the same way because they had no studio.

Wrong on all points actually!That's good isn't it?

Ah... Apocryphal announcements, random speculation, and no agreement.

Now I remember why I came back here.

That, and I got an e-mail saying "X has replied to your post in thread Y."

For what it's worth, I think that the Something Old is, most probably, Alien Breed. I never played the original, though. Might be an RTS or another TBS.

Something New... meh. It's probably something new. ;)

Something Borrowed: T17 bought Army Men? Interesting... Might be an RTS. Or a Worms-alike.

Finally, Something Blue... Got me. Could be something we don't expect. Like Addiction Pinball 2. Or Worms 5: This Time We Mean Business. Or something.

That's good isn't it?
Or they are going to get bought up by a company not listed in S2K's post.
:D

Wrong on all points actually!
Well, I stand corrected, then. Of course, asking for more information at this point is a futile affair. We never get anything more than cryptic messages from you guys, do we? ;) And the last time Dream17 got an "exclusive!!11!1" regarding a Team17 game, it was about the GBA port of Qwak (which isn't, technically speaking, a Team17 game, and has nothing to do with Team17 at all in its current state - unless I'm wrong again).

I am glad the next Alien Breed isn't going to be an FPS, though.

Or they are going to get bought up by a company not listed in S2K's post.
:D

You're a pessimist. Or think of every alternative.

I don't think T17 are gonna be bought up anytime soon.

Hopefully, and especially not by EA.

*shudder*

I don't think T17 are gonna be bought up anytime soon.
Yeah, because potential buyers fear that the regular T17 forum user's will switch over to their forums and flood spam it with running gags about drinking beer.
Hopefully, and especially not by EA.
Ha!
You're not really an optimist either. :)

I view myself as an "Optimistic Pessimist."

I see the worst of a good situation, and vice-versa.

Woe betide us if I can't do that.

Well, I stand corrected, then. Of course, asking for more information at this point is a futile affair. We never get anything more than cryptic messages from you guys, do we? ;) And the last time Dream17 got an "exclusive!!11!1" regarding a Team17 game, it was about the GBA port of Qwak (which isn't, technically speaking, a Team17 game, and has nothing to do with Team17 at all in its current state - unless I'm wrong again).

I am glad the next Alien Breed isn't going to be an FPS, though.

What next Alien Breed game? There isn't one in production.

We can only be cryptic until we are allowed to release information by our publishing partners.

Well that's interesting.

And totally contradictory, too. Didn't you say, if not on the forum then in an email a fair while back, that there was something Alien breed in pre-production?

edit: Ah, yes. My mistake - looking back at my records, Spadge only mentioned that there was interest in the franchise. He said a new game "maybe in the works", but he didn't specifically state that one would definitely begin development.

I think they're making Arcade Pool III.

I dunno. Stunt GP 2 might have some merit.

I think they're making Arcade Pool III.
Hmmm, a pool game on Unreal. That'd be interesting.

My bet is on Project X 3. Or X3 or however they'd call it.

Or maybe they're making the next flawed racing game! :rolleyes:

Full Contact II

If they make X3, it'll just be confusing.

X3 vs. X3: The Reunion vs. X-Men 3.

Ouch, my head.

EDIT:

I just found this:

http://worms.team17.com/

I remember that site. Doesn't have W4 listed.

What next Alien Breed game? There isn't one in production.

We can only be cryptic until we are allowed to release information by our publishing partners.
Right then...
What games did you make before, but are not currently working on a sequel?

Right then...
What games did you make before, but are not currently working on a sequel?
Hehe! :D
Nice try.