http://www.gamespot.com/news/6151565.html

So if any of our good old European members actually have a smidgen of interest in the PS3, you'd better begin saving up, starting about 5 years ago.

On a somewhat related note, hahahaha (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJElsNaC6yQ&search=sony%20e3%20minute) (longer version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4&search=sony%20e3))

So if any of our good old European members actually have a smidgen of interest in the PS3
Not to worry.

Sony can shove that up their fat аrse, quite frankly.

There's no way they'll do well in the UK with a price like that. I'd rather spend £425 on something(s) much better.

Wait, what part of this thread is news?

I've heard that it's actually going to be cheaper to buy a US version and have it shipped.

I don't quite get how the dollar is in the toilet and Americans still get things cheaper than us...

I don't quite get how the dollar is in the toilet and Americans still get things cheaper than us...
Perhaps the US government promised that they won't invade Japan in the next few years.

Perhaps the US government promised that they won't invade Japan in the next few years.

Why would they do that? Japan is a rich country, the US likes rich countries.

It's not going to come out priced that highly, this always happens. They're probably just testing the water or this has been taken out of context.

Even at $600 USD, they'll still be operating at a loss of $200 per unit. I don't think they're just testing the water, here.

The PS3 is going to cost £1,500 here, if I know Norway correctly.

PS2 was almost £900 at launch for a few days.

I don't quite get how the dollar is in the toilet and Americans still get things cheaper than us...
The dollar is not in the toilet. It has been steadily gaining on the Euro for a couple years now. If you continue to say such things, I will find articles about the gaining strength of the USD.

If you want to talk strengthening currencies, though, the Canadian dollar is where it's at.

Compared with the UK currency it's ****. So is the Euro.

Gotta love the old Turkish currency though.

hahahaha (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJElsNaC6yQ&search=sony%20e3%20minute)
RIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER!

Also, the longer video is even better. "New features, such as... real-time weapon change..."

Why would they do that? Japan is a rich country, the US likes rich countries.
Perhaps because the US are getting poorer and poorer.
And they need more money for the invasion of Iran.

And they need more money for the invasion of Iran.
Boy, it would have been nice if we hadn't invaded Iraq under false pretenses.

The dollar is not in the toilet. It has been steadily gaining on the Euro for a couple years now. If you continue to say such things, I will find articles about the gaining strength of the USD.
Just because it's slowly climbing out of the toilet doesn't mean to say that it's escaped yet.

Wow, what can I say? If I had 599 euros, the last thing I'd do is waste it all on a console. Specially a PS3.
With that kind of money I could probably pimp up my PC into "the most advanced computer entertainment system in the world". Or at least close enough.

Also, "real-time weapon change", wow, how do they do it? :rolleyes:

Also, "real-time weapon change", wow, how do they do it? :rolleyes:
You can use it to attack the crabs' weak points. For massive damage.

Well, I still think console interest lies solely in what games are on it.
So totally ignoring the PS3 because you don't like Sony is a wacko excuse.

That is also why you shouldn't buy a console at launch unless there are lots of games you NEED. For instance, I had no interest in the 360 untill after E3, but I doubt I will get one... unless I get a job first.

So far I need Metal Gear Solid 4. There is no way I am not playing that game.
It just can't happen. ;)

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On a more important note, how long dit it take for DVD players to drop from being an investment to into a regular purchase?

I suspect it will be the same way with blue ray and then the PS3 will drop in price. (Though It probably will untill then aswell)

So totally ignoring the PS3 because you don't like Sony is a wacko excuse.
No it isn't. It's called Voting With Your Feet, and it's an incredibly popular idea. Nestle would probably like the world to take your view on it, but then, that's only because they're the subject of a massive boycot.

I hate Sony and I refuse to give them money. As such I won't be buying any PS3 games and therefore have no use for the console itself. Ditto for Microsoft. As far as I'm concerned, the whole argument is To Wii Or Not To Wii.

As far as I'm concerned, the whole argument is To Wii Or Not To Wii.And you have to Wii at some point...

No it isn't. It's called Voting With Your Feet, and it's an incredibly popular idea. Nestle would probably like the world to take your view on it, but then, that's only because they're the subject of a massive boycot.

I hate Sony and I refuse to give them money. As such I won't be buying any PS3 games and therefore have no use for the console itself. Ditto for Microsoft. As far as I'm concerned, the whole argument is To Wii Or Not To Wii.

Your loss dude...

Your loss dude...
That's kind of the point. You can't effectively protest someone's business practices by sitting around moaning. I bet you think Fair Trade produce is a waste of money as well, don't you?

Although to be honest, I wouldn't have bought this particular Sony product anyway, as I can play derivative sequels on my PC. I don't need to buy a big expensive slab of brushed metal to do that.

While I think the price for the PS3 is fantastically appaling, I will inevitably be paying that. Most likely for the second box package, with all the nifty little extra features that the base machine doesn't have. I have always maintained that the PS3 will blow the living ****e out of 360 when it will be released, and I still think it will. I also think the possibilities of the psp in relation to the PS3 will soon be endless.

I wonder if they'll have anti-aliasing this time.

Just because it's slowly climbing out of the toilet doesn't mean to say that it's escaped yet.
Especially not if there is someone (http://photo.itc.nps.gov/storage/images/officials/Officials-ImageF.00001.jpeg) sitting on it, constantly flushing down all the shıt.

Point is, Sony can only afford to charge so much for the PS3 because, unlike any other console, it's got a Blu-Ray player. Other than that it's no better than any other console or even a PC. Blu-Ray is expensive, PS3 is expensive. Blu-Ray gets cheaper, PS3 gets... well the longer they keep the price up, the more people will find it a waste of money.

Some petitioners have a sense of humour, it seems. (http://www.petitiononline.com/rdgeracr/petition.html)

What's really great is that they've got a decent number of signatures on there, and steadily growing.

Some petitioners have a sense of humour, it seems. (http://www.petitiononline.com/rdgeracr/petition.html)

What's really great is that they've got a decent number of signatures on there, and steadily growing.
I would pay for a modded PS3 BIOS with Kaz Hirai saying "RIIIIIIIDGE RACERRRRRR!"
Point is, Sony can only afford to charge so much for the PS3 because, unlike any other console, it's got a Blu-Ray player. Other than that it's no better than any other console or even a PC.
They also have Riiiiiiiiiiiidge Racerrrrrrr and the Cell processor.

Do petitions ever work? I think boycotting the PS3 will be more effektive.

Your loss dude...
Is it though? Personally I think it's beneficial to buy the console which is best value for money. From what I've heard, the PS3 seems pretty much the same compared to the Wii and Xbox360. The only thing I need on this pc to make it run practically any game for the next few years is a top of the range graphics card. I could buy one for far less than the price of the PS3.

Whether or not you think the PS3 is better or not, that is your view and I don't want to open that can of worms. Personally, I need money for other things. As I'll be off to uni in September with the new god-awful top up fees, I'll need all the money I can get and paying £425 for a console is not my idea of a good buy, it is not that much better, if at all than the Xbox 360 or Wii. I wouldn't buy any of the consoles because I have my PC but if I had to I'd probably go for the Wii because it's the cheapest and seems just as capable as the other 2.

Too me it's all about the games, and all games are not released for PC. Neither do I think games intended for consoles are as fun to play on a PC.

Too me it's all about the games, and all games are not released for PC.That's a bit of a daft thing to say. Not all games are released for PS3, either.

If you continue to say such things, I will find articles about the gaining strength of the USD.Go on then, I like documented evidence.

That's a bit of a daft thing to say. Not all games are released for PS3, either.

That is true. I would like a 360 aswell, but I figure the majority of games I want to play will be on PS3, plus I 360's multiplayer costs money.

I am getting a WII too. I never said I will get the PS3 on launch though, I don't have that kind of money :x

The main emphasis on VG platform evolution is on graphics and capabilities. If there are good games to play on an existing platform then the main attractions of upgrading are trend, and to satisfy one's technical or series continuation desire. The price of the PS3, regardless of its features, is off-putting even to someone who falls in to the latter of the above-mentioned categories.

The solution? Dig out the Amiga from the crap in the attic and fire up the old greats.

I'll probably end up with a wii and a PS3.

I'll get the PS3 a good few years after it's launch, That way it'll be cheaper, I'll get model with the ineviatable launch-day bugs ironed out and there'll be a nice big back catalogue of decent games that I can buy for cheap.:p

launch-day bugs
Maybe they'll at least one-up Microsoft by not producing any units that catch fire.

Pricing for the PS3 will be odd for this reason, PS3 is expensive because of the Blu-ray, however, as time passes technologies become cheaper, (only Blu-Ray in this case)r. You can get DVD players for $20 in the US now.

What this means is that as Blu-ray gets cheaper, the PS3 will not be able to justify the cost and will likely have to half in value to justify people buying it. How would PS2 have sold (and been priced) if it arrived when DVD players just emerged on the market? But what do I know, I only have an MBA.

The trouble with It's Expensive Because It Has Blu Ray is that there's no option to buy a cheaper version without Blu Ray. It's Expensive Because whatever you like, but it's still expensive.

I have no intention of buying a Blu Ray player, because frankly I think DVDs are quite good enough. Maybe when it gets to be very cheap and if it's backwards compatible, then yes, fair enough, but the fact that the PS3 can play them won't enter into my buying decision at all, and I doubt it will enter into many other people's.

Yep, and that will be Sony's main problem to overcome... How can you justify high costs for a product (Blu-Ray), when the product is of little significance to consumers?

I have no intention of buying a Blu Ray player, because frankly I think DVDs are quite good enough. Maybe when it gets to be very cheap and if it's backwards compatible, then yes, fair enough, but the fact that the PS3 can play them won't enter into my buying decision at all, and I doubt it will enter into many other people's.

That won't work too long though. It's like people saying they will stay with casettes when cd's come along. The standards will move on, and you can't keep buying DVD movies for long.

Blu-Ray is probably backwards-compatible like all the other players. I mean, the PS3 says it supports CDs, DVDs and BRs and I doubt it has 3 players. :p

And I also agree, Blu-Ray isn't much of a selling point for a console. Just because a game can be much huger than before doesn't mean it'll be much better than before. The only thing I'll want Blu-Ray for is backups.

That won't work too long though. It's like people saying they will stay with casettes when cd's come along. The standards will move on, and you can't keep buying DVD movies for long.But the point is, a console making use of Blu-Ray when it hasn't even become widespread isn't a good selling point. Even when DVD became widespread, it was much more used for movies at first than games.

But this is one of the first BR-playing devices on the market, which also is a games console. A lot of people are getting HD-ready TVs, so with this they can start buying high-def BR movies as soon as they come out. So if you subtract the cost of buying a BR player separately then the rest of the cost is on the console bit, which ain't as bad.

But this is one of the first BR-playing devices on the market, which also is a games console. A lot of people are getting HD-ready TVs, so with this they can start buying high-def BR movies as soon as they come out. So if you subtract the cost of buying a BR player separately then the rest of the cost is on the console bit, which ain't as bad.
If you subtract the cost of buying a BR player separately, you make $400.

It costs much more to buy a multi-core CPU PC complete with components and operating system.

Latest development: not 100% confirmed, but it seems that Sony will make it illegal for PS3 games to be sold second-hand. It's basically taking the "you don't buy your copy of the game, just the right to play it" license agreement a step further and making it illegal to play one particular copy of a game on any PS3 other than your own. Meaning it would also be illegal to, say, take it to a friend's house and play it on their system.

It's speculated that they may even go so far as to stick something on the PS3 disks that basically makes them imprint on the first system they're played on, and refuse to work on anything else. So what happens when your $800 high-definition toaster-oven-slash-blender spontaneously combusts after a couple years and you need to get a new one?

Jesus Christ, are they TRYING to make the worst marketing moves humanly imaginable?

Wow.

That makes me want to go over to SCE head office and have an informal chat with them.

An informal chat with HAMMERS.

Pears Hammers is quite a reasonable bloke.

I know. I wouldn't want to have a chat with an unreasonablr bloke like that John HALFBRICK-IN-A-SOCK.

He's a terrible conversationalist.

Latest development: not 100% confirmed, but it seems that Sony will make it illegal for PS3 games to be sold second-hand.
That will be an impressive coup, given that US law specifically protects this right for all copyrighted materials. Something about "First Sale", I believe. I've not looked into it but I think that's the rule.

Several key points people need to be aware of:

Sony can charge whatever they want. Unfortunately the WWESmackdown-playing, EASports-loving, NeedForSpeed-appreciating maroons in the Universe would buy a steaming pile of crap for $599 if Sony marketted it well enough. Consider how rubbish the PSP is as a system, with its many, many faults. Yet people bought it. I bought two. 'Nuff said.
At the same time, Sony are effectively selling the same console again, just with better graphics. Again, cretins will lap this up. It has more gigs, and rams.
The Wii is going to cost £133. Therefore, Nintendo win by default.


Remember, SCE's Marketting department is a being of pure, undiluted evil. They could sell any old rubbish, and they have done on at least three counts so far.

Then that makes them good at their job.

It's marketing BTW.

The Wii is going to cost £133.
Source, please.
I know. I wouldn't want to have a chat with an unreasonablr bloke like that John HALFBRICK-IN-A-SOCK.

He's a terrible conversationalist.
I have similar sentiments about Paul Leadpipe.

Source, please.
Actually, the Wii does not have an official price point yet, but everyone and everything is saying and indicating $200-$250 USD. I can't see Nintendo charging more than that for a console anyway. Not yet.

That will be an impressive coup, given that US law specifically protects this right for all copyrighted materials. Something about "First Sale", I believe. I've not looked into it but I think that's the rule.It's a weird one, that. Means you can't buy second-hand textbooks in America (or sell ones you no longer need any more). Also means I had to buy the "International Edition" of Carroll and Ostlie.

Means you can't buy second-hand textbooks in America
I thought it meant you specifically could do that. I thought that was the point. Is Wikipedia lying to me?

That will be an impressive coup, given that US law specifically protects this right for all copyrighted materials. Something about "First Sale", I believe. I've not looked into it but I think that's the rule.Well, if the president can break the law, why can't Sony? :rolleyes:

It's a weird one, that. Means you can't buy second-hand textbooks in America (or sell ones you no longer need any more). Also means I had to buy the "International Edition" of Carroll and Ostlie.
Apparently, every college bookstore ever hasn't heard about that one. I think you're getting it backwards.
Well, if the president can break the law, why can't Sony?
Cheap shot. :p

Well, if the president can break the law, why can't Sony? :rolleyes:
Ahahahahaha!
***D!

Apparently, every college bookstore ever hasn't heard about that one. I think you're getting it backwards.Carroll and Ostlie? An Introduction to Modern Astrophysics?

Carroll and Ostlie? An Introduction to Modern Astrophysics?
I am confused as to what you are talking about.

The textbook An Introduction to Modern Astrophysics, written by Carroll and Ostlie.

I am confused as to what you are talking about.I'll explain:
Apparently, every college bookstore ever hasn't heard about that one. I think you're getting it backwards.
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Carroll and Ostlie? An Introduction to Modern Astrophysics?
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Apparently, every college bookstore ever hasn't heard about Carroll and Ostlie? An Introduction to Modern Astrophysics?

I'm still confused.

I'm still confused.
Yo también.

*sigh*

It's a weird one, that. Means you can't buy second-hand textbooks in America (or sell ones you no longer need any more). Also means I had to buy the "International Edition" of Carroll and Ostlie.
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Apparently, every college bookstore ever hasn't heard about that one. I think you're getting it backwards.

I think I've just worked out what's wrong.

Source, please.
[BBC News: Nintendo sets price limit on Wii (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5016838.stm)]

Sorry about the bookstore thing. I'm really slow today.

*sigh*


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Well excuse me for not having read Paul's post previous to Futureworm's :p

That is absolute crap.
I thought that I would get a PS3 maybe a few years after it comes out, like what happened with my PS2. (Just in time for Katamari.)
But I might never get a PS3 at all now. I can't imagine that price ever going lower, and that " no borrowing" thing is ridiculous.