I know pretty much everyone used FF now, personnaly I use both and which one i use tends to depend on which icon is nearsest the mouse (I'm lazy like that). Tha asside I've just downloaded IE7 and a interested to know what people think.

It clearly now has much improved PNG support, I've not teted all PNG types but all ok so far.

Not sure what to make of their new size options. hey now have it so that everythig is re-sized,images and all. Great for sites which are strict on tables sizes etc, and when enlarged works ok.... but when shrinking stuff even the text pixelates like an image.

All the text is anti-alias. Looks nice but.... well.... sometimes I dont want anti-alias...

And most importantly they've broken one of the rules set in stone when it comes to GUI's..... where the hell is the task bar thing?! You cannot have a window wit out a file, edit... etc.. It maes people hav to re-learn the interface which is a big no-no.

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oh yeah, and of course tabbed browsing is always nice :)
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I'm hoping that most of these are customisable but I havent time to check now, instead im going to see how it andles all my sites..

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Incredible, it has managed to break pretty much all of them... good work micosoft... I will try taking out the IE hacks used to make it behave previously... but then it wont work under IE6..... sigh

At least IE7 will never see a Mac operating system, since Microsoft stopped developing IE for mac last year, at around version 5.2.something.

Does IE7 now follow the W3C guidelines, like every other modern browser on this planet?

It still has many many CSS1 bugs, next to no CSS2 support, doesn't support XHTML, and the DOM is still not W3C compliant. I'll stick to Firefox thanks.

Regardless the ****ing idiots at MS dictate more about standards than the W3C because we have to painstake over our sites to make them work for the mainstream. I don't want to upgrade to IE7 because IE6 is still more widely-used, but I'm going to have to upgrade at some point. Shame there isn't a way of having both.

I noticed MS is using words like 'open', 'rss' and 'phishing' now. Since when did they start using proper words? ;)

I dont know, but it is being realy realy annoying with tryin to get divs and tables to a hight of 100%.... what a supprise...

It also seems to be having problems keeping up with my typing speed... Keeps missing out letters....

Regardless the ****ing idiots at MS dictate more about standards than the W3C because we have to painstake over our sites to make them work for the mainstream.
I'd say that Firefox is mainstream enough these days that you can make a site optimized for it and just tell IE users to bugger off or get a better browser. It's one of the things that led me to get FF myself, and I've used it by far the most ever since. :p

I'd say that Firefox is mainstream enough these days that you can make a site optimized for it and just tell IE users to bugger off or get a better browser. It's one of the things that led me to get FF myself, and I've used it by far the most ever since. :p
The trouble comes when you're designing websites for people who only use IE....

Since I've mostly been browsing the internet from public terminals this term, I've had to get used to IE6 all over again.

MY GOD THE PAIN

Since I've mostly been browsing the internet from public terminals this term, I've had to get used to IE6 all over again.

MY GOD THE PAIN

Stop fooling youself, you know it's the exact same thing as using FireFox.

I tried installing IE7 long ago, just to see what it's like, but due to my computer's weird condition, I couldn't. Nice to see it still doesn't hold a candle to other browsers. :p

Also, for some reason, my dad has Firefox in his computer yet he still uses IE. Go figure.

much like me then... other than my amazing laziness.... or perhaps because of it I tend to use IE because it opens that slight bit faster... probably because its essentually already running. I am using FF now though because IE7 is realy ****ing me off with its inability to keep reading from the keyboard while i'm typing.

Stop fooling youself, you know it's the exact same thing as using FireFox.
One of these days I'll just click "find all posts by this user" and just delete them all.

One of these days.

Don't bother giving him a second chance by removing his posts, just keep them and ban him so everyone who reads them understands why. This is from the book of worMatty regarding administrating forums.

Only joking, Xinos ;)

Couldn't ban him if I wanted to. Not from here, anyway.

Just read my signature.

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Hey I got an idea. Let's do some actuall sience.
This is your chance to shut me up. ;)

List all sites that you know that...

... don't work in Internet Explorer
... work in Internet Explorer, but Firefox is better at displaying.

Hey I got an idea. Let's do some actuall sience.
This is your chance to shut me up. ;)
No, let's not do that. Let's patiently explain to you that there is an actual rule set laid down by the W3C to which all browsers should conform. Any browser which does not (and all of them fail to some extent) is displaying the page wrongly. Internet Explorer not only is the poorest browser at conforming to these standards, it is also the only one which does this by design. It's a cynical ploy on Microsoft's part: they bundle it with Windows so that most people never realise there is an alternative or that it is doing anything wrong, and then they deliberately make it non-standard to force websites to work to their rules and not to those of the W3C. It's essentially bullying the internet into working to Microsoft's rules. And then Microsoft make all the little quirks in IE proprietary so nobody else can make a compatible browser. And then they refuse to release their browser on Macs or Linux. Do you see what they're doing there? They're abusing one monopoly (OSes) to create a second (Browsers), and then abusing that one to reinforce the first, so that they can abuse it some more later for bif profits. So if it's all the same to you, I'll stick to using software written by people with some ethics, thanks. Microsoft don't deserve my custom, even when it's free software.

Quite aside from that, it's one of the least secure programmes ever written, and it's CPU intensive and it's slow and rather cumbersome and very, very lacking in features. It's a horrid programme and it needs stamping out.

That is how I intend to shut you up. I have no interest in doing little surveys or whatever passes for science in your little world because I honestly don't see what it could possibly prove. Either many, many sites work in Firefox and not IE, which would prove that IE is rubbish, or many sites work in IE and not Firefox, which would play right into what I just said. Or, both, which would prove that IE is rubbish and play into what I just said.

I have downloaded it and have to say my first impressions are very poor. The tab bit is all screwed up and any text on a website is made all fuzzy/weird. I can see pink colours around blue hyperlinks and it's irritating.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5305/wowugly4oc.png

It can't even display text correctly, therefore I deem it worse tham IE6.

There are some people at at some orginisation that have a rule they claim people must follow.

Oh forgive me then. I didn't realise they have fancy stuff like standards and rules.
Too me you are just like some irrational vegiterian. "You can't eat meat because PETA says so".

Star Worms: Thoose tabs look messed up yes. Have you tried any other visual styles for XP?
I wonder if they will only look good with the official XP graphic style..
Microsoft screwed that up by letting XP styles manipulate how IE draws out, they should have forced it to stay within the programs graphics.

Star Worms: Thoose tabs look messed up yes. Have you tried any other visual styles for XP?
I wonder if they will only look good with the official XP graphic style..
Yes, and I like this one. If IE doesn't work with it then IE loses.

the forced anti-alias is annoying but not fatal. The fact that typing in IE7 is practiacally impossible... urrrgh.

Its actually pushed me to making FF my default browser. Suppose some good comes from it all then...

the forced anti-alias is annoying but not fatal.
It is for me. That's exactly how text used to look on my old crappy CRT monitor that used to give me migranes. There's no need for antialiasing on small text, infact it makes it worse.

Isn't there an option to turn it off? Surely there must be. Mind, it's beta. TELL THEM and they WILL LISTEN, they say on their site.

Andrew, alternatively whoever makes IE could be utterly stupid.

I TRIED to tell them, but for some unknown reason the site dedicated to it didn't work... hahahahhahhha... oh dear.

Oh forgive me then. I didn't realise they have fancy stuff like standards and rules.
Too me you are just like some irrational vegiterian. "You can't eat meat because PETA says so".
Believe me, you should not have gone there.

Oh forgive me then. I didn't realise they have fancy stuff like standards and rules.
Too me you are just like some irrational vegiterian. "You can't eat meat because PETA says so".
That's lunatic. Obviously it isn't practical to have four browsers operating to four different rulesets, is it? People would justpoint blank refuse to make websites anymore. Everything would be flash, plain text, and downloadable EXEs. So we need a standard, and for that there are two choices. We can ask an independant body to come up with it, or we can allow the most evil corporation on the internet to do do whatever it wants and declare that the de facto standard simply because their software is the one bundled with their OS.

PETA are a campaign group with a stated agenda. You can't expect them to give out useful, unbiased advice, unless of course you are an idiot. The W3C is an independent group who exist for the sole purpose of defining, updating and maintaining a single standard in the hope that some day all browsers will display the same HTML file in the same way, to whit, the way in which the webmaster (assuming he's written it correctly) designed it to look.

If you think it's OK for Microsoft to control this standard and riddle it with proprietary features then I must assume you also think it's OK for them to add to Windows Update a programme to stop people using any word processor but theirs, or for fast food companies to put addictive substances in their food to guarantee future custom, or for anyone to basically do anything they like on some kind of insane "all's fair in love and war" argument. No monopolies commission, no anti-trust lawsuits, nothing. Just companies doing whatever they can to spin a profit, even when it's hopelessly evil.

Microsoft have no right to control the internet and they shouldn't be allowed to.

I have downloaded it and have to say my first impressions are very poor. The tab bit is all screwed up and any text on a website is made all fuzzy/weird. I can see pink colours around blue hyperlinks and it's irritating.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5305/wowugly4oc.png

It can't even display text correctly, therefore I deem it worse tham IE6.IE7 was designed with Vista's look, which makes it hideously clash with XP's look.

Also, here's a list of CSS stuff which IE just ****s up: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html

Okay Andrew I get your point, but calling Microsoft evil just makes me laugh and it's hard to take you seriously.

Okay Andrew I get your point, but calling Microsoft evil just makes me laugh and it's hard to take you seriously.
Well, no, I'm sure they're not actually evil, in the same way that cold objects aren't below absolute zero. They don't wish any particular ill on the world; they just don't have any ethics at all. It looks a lot like evil from the outside, though.

And most importantly they've broken one of the rules set in stone when it comes to GUI's..... where the hell is the task bar thing?! You cannot have a window wit out a file, edit... etc.. It maes people hav to re-learn the interface which is a big no-no.
It's horrible but at least the people who will use it can have a better level of CSS support.

but be unable to type without having half of their words missing :D