In the interests of platform equality ;).

Apologies that this list is biased towards games I either own or am thinking of getting ;)

It's also biased towards Worms Open Warfare, since there's going to be quite a correlation between WOW and this forum's DS-owning users :P

(that is to say they're more likely to own WOW in any 'random' selection that they might have in that list)

Bleach DS for me. Great fighting game, made by TREASURE (makers of Gunstar Heroes, Guardian Heroes, Ikaruga, Astro Boy, etc.) with online play, download play, almost 30 characters, and it's Bleach. Sadly, it's Japan only. But it's worth importing.

My favourite NDS Game is Mario Kart DS, because Worms Open Warfare is very awfull, and without interest ... i prefer to play Worms Armageddon :D

Bleach DS for me. Great fighting game, made by TREASURE (makers of Gunstar Heroes, Guardian Heroes, Ikaruga, Astro Boy, etc.) with online play, download play, almost 30 characters, and it's Bleach. Sadly, it's Japan only. But it's worth importing.
The anime's gonna get licensed soon so it's gonna get an US/Europe release, I guess.

Anyway, Advance Wars for me. It's just so bloody addicting. Also I just got Sonic Rush, hardest Sonic game EVER. The music's pretty good though, yet quite WTF-inducing :p

*votes in poll*

I too am going to pick AWDS. Any game where you can clock up 170 hours of play time without getting bored has to be good.

It's also biased towards Worms Open Warfare, since there's going to be quite a correlation between WOW and this forum's DS-owning users :PAnd yet AWDS is winning...

I picked AWDS, Sonic Rush IS fugging amazing but I don't recall fully recharging my DS, playing it for 8 hours, having it run out of batteries, plugging the recharger in and playing it for ANOTHER 8 hours like I did with AWDS. :p Still Sonic Rush is a VERY close second.

And yet AWDS is winning...

That doesn't mean it's not biased towards WOW.

And just because it's biased doesn't garauntee a landslide victory for WOW with not a single vote for any other game ;) You know that as well as I do - you've done statistics.

The anime's gonna get licensed soon so it's gonna get an US/Europe release, I guess.

Sadly, if they want to release the game without spoiling anything big, they'll need to wait until the end of the, say, sixtieth episode. So I don't think it will come out anytime soon.

That doesn't mean it's not biased towards WOW.

And just because it's biased doesn't garauntee a landslide victory for WOW with not a single vote for any other game ;) You know that as well as I do - you've done statistics.I know. Mostly I was making a point about how good AWDS is.

I also like how I thought up nine DS games, and Peersy four PSP ones.

Mine is super mario 64 ds:)

I too am going to pick AWDS. Any game where you can clock up 170 hours of play time without getting bored has to be good.

*goes to see if he beats Paul*
I have 170 too!
...
oh, nope its 107... damn Lizdexia

Well AWDS for me too, New Super Mario Bros is very good too, just beat it the other day, still working on unlocking everything though.

Anyway, Advance Wars for me. It's just so bloody addicting. Also I just got Sonic Rush, hardest Sonic game EVER. The music's pretty good though, yet quite WTF-inducing :p

And it's also bloody hard on the last few missions.

DAMN YOU VOLCANOES.

i picked other my game that i like is metroid prime hunters on the ds it rocks and it has wi fi :) isnt metroid prime out in other countries yet?

i picked other my game that i like is metroid prime hunters on the ds it rocks and it has wi fi :) isnt metroid prime out in other countries yet?

Yeah it is. My friend got it imported from America before it came out in Eurpoe. The DS is region free which is pretty cool ;)

I chose Mario Kart DS. In all fairness i havent played the games listed, but my choice was between MKDS and MPH. I chose MKDS because I love the missions introduced into the game - That was a very nice suprise for me when I found that out, and the play-back ability is great. Ive completed all the cups and all the missions, now i can go back and get Star ratings, beat staff ghosts, Battle my friends on DS>DS and race people world wide :)

i still prefer metroid prime though i wanna team game log on wifi at 6:00 on tuesday and let me add u as rival so we can choose different game modes and also because i dont know how to add as friend:confused:

metroid prime hunters is legend!
its soo kool, still i would like open warfare

i still prefer metroid prime though i wanna team game log on wifi at 6:00 on tuesday and let me add u as rival so we can choose different game modes and also because i dont know how to add as friend:confused:
hello? anyone reading this?

hello? anyone reading this?
obviously not

obviously notWell, don't look at me. I don't own the game, nor do I intend to get it. And I still haven't worked out how to do worldwide thingies on my DS yet.

Resident Evil : Deadly Silence here.


Just something cool about being able to play a game on a handheld that the original took up a full CD for on the PlayStation1........that includes all the content from that said original game.

The only M rated game I got for the system as well out of the 26 games I own for the system.

Enjoying it alot on the system, more-so then the original because I always got the map on display 24/7 on the top-screen (which helps a bucketload since I used to view it non-stop in the original, too many trips to the menu to do so for my liking)....just hope Capcom ports Resident Evil2 to the system now.
(they already done it for the N64, cant see how they couldn't fit a *two* CD game onto a DS cartridge with some compression/downsized-resolution adjustments, especially when those cartridges can hold up to 1Gbit, n64's max was 512Mbit I think)

Kirby's Canvas Curse was pretty cool, the graphics are excellent, the music is fun and the artwork is inspired, oh and it plays pretty well.

I decided to post this here, since starting a whole new thread would've been sort of stupid. But does anyone know a way of importing japanese DS games in Europe, besides Ebay? I've been meaning to get Ouendan, Jump Superstars, Bleach DS and some others.

I chose Sonic Rush from that list as it's the only game I own which is on that list.

It's good. It's like Sonic but with more rushing. I think the title does it much justice.

I really love Electroplankton right now, though. Beatnes for teh win.

Oh, and I really, *reeeaaaally* want them to bring out Mario Paint on the DS. Maybe Team17 could jump the gun with Worms Paint :P

The DS really is great to draw on. If they did something that let you draw on it, save a load to the cartridge, and then WiFi the whole job lot to a PC, I would buy that and use it every day.

I decided to post this here, since starting a whole new thread would've been sort of stupid. But does anyone know a way of importing japanese DS games in Europe, besides Ebay? I've been meaning to get Ouendan, Jump Superstars, Bleach DS and some others.
http://www.lik-sang.com
http://www.play-asia.com


SiN

http://www.lik-sang.com
http://www.play-asia.com


SiN
Too late, I already figured it out and ordered Ouendan off Play Asia five days ago. Thanks a lot, anyway.

Ouendan seems like a fantastic game from what I've seen, I'll post a short review once it gets here.

The DS really is great to draw on. If they did something that let you draw on it, save a load to the cartridge, and then WiFi the whole job lot to a PC, I would buy that and use it every day.

What I would really like (and we're venturing into the realms of absurdity, here) is for Mario Paint to come on a DS cart but also to come with a GBA cart. The GBA cart would act as a sort of external memory unit (this could later be developed for saving profiles from other games on) which would allow you to share images, animations and music from DS to DS much faster than WiFi. The other advantage would be you could have one cart with lots of things made by lots of friends.

Also, it should have TV-out on the GBA memory unit thing so that users can watch their animations etc on the TV without the Mario Paint cart. You could also video it, just like with the SNES.

Did you know that if you plug the mouse into port 2 of the SNES while on the Mario Paint title screen it automatically loads and plays the saved data? Nifty.

edit: Nanostray is a great old skool vertical shmup. Oh, and Andrew, you can't save a load. That would contravene all sorts of standards ;)

Nanostray is a great old skool vertical shmup.
While it lasts, though. The difficulty of the 'hard' level is REALLY annoying. It's sort of like they tried to make it impossible to normal human beings instead of adding more levels. I've alwats sucked at Shmups but Jesus, getting a decent rank in arcade mode, or even Hard mode is almost impossible. The music, however, was pretty good. The volcano level's tune always gets stuck in my head. Also, the touchscreen implementation was downright frustrating.

Oh, and Andrew, you can't save a load. That would contravene all sorts of standards ;)
But you can load a save!:p

*runs*

But you can load a save!:p

*runs*

Hell yeah. I think to comply with most standards you have to word it "Load saved game data" but you can definitely load a save.

Anyway, I think he was saying you can "save a bunch" to the cart so it's a moot point.

Anyway, I think he was saying you can "save a bunch" to the cart so it's a moot point.
Hence why the pun was actually funny.

Indeed.

Just thought I'd clear it up a bit. I thought I might have gone a bit off track with standards mumbo jumbo.

Well reinforced.

Ooooh, and I'm looking forward to Mega Man ZX big time.

I'm surprised more games haven't used the GBA slot.

Think of the potential for expansion packs...

You can get GBA carts which let you play mp3 and video. http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=246&products_id=8970

I'm wondering if you could stick more RAM and processing power in a GBA cart and boost the hardware of the DS a bit ;)

I'm wondering if you could stick more RAM and processing power in a GBA cart and boost the hardware of the DS a bit ;)
I doubt the GBA slot has the bandwidth to do that. It might, but I'd doubt it.

I command you to apathetically find out. I guess.

I doubt the GBA slot has the bandwidth to do that. It might, but I'd doubt it.
It does. Opera uses the GBA cart for extra web surfing RAM. :)

And besides, the bandwidth of the slot should be pretty large ... remember that for the GBA/DS, all the gamedata is stored in the cart itself and isn't actually loaded into RAM like optical discs have to. Thus the read speed has to be pretty much instantaneous for large amounts of data.


SiN

It does. Opera uses the GBA cart for extra web surfing RAM. :)

And besides, the bandwidth of the slot should be pretty large ... remember that for the GBA/DS, all the gamedata is stored in the cart itself and isn't actually loaded into RAM like optical discs have to. Thus the read speed has to be pretty much instantaneous for large amounts of data.


SiN
Well, you'd need more bandwidth to parallel-process a game than to store data for a web browser, but that's nonetheless a pretty impressive slot. Maybe it could be made to work.

And it has to be said that, brilliant game that AWDS is, Intelligent Systems still keep dropping the ball when it comes to Design Maps mode. Still only three map save slots on the third* game in the series? C'mon guys.

* Okay, excluding Famicom Wars, Super Famicom Wars and Gameboy Wars. Third one released outside of Japan.

Well, you'd need more bandwidth to parallel-process a game than to store data for a web browser, but that's nonetheless a pretty impressive slot. Maybe it could be made to work.
I'm pretty sure it would work. Remember, some crazy **** has been done with cartridges ... as an example, look into Starfox on the SNES if you don't already know about how it worked.

However, the more important issue is the fact that people are even suggesting this. The DS is a wonderful system as it is ... if you think it needs more processing power, you've kinda missed the point of the system. Although I am convinced it would benefit from memory cards (SD cards maybe?), but thats another rant for another time. :)


SiN

... if you think it needs more processing power, you've kinda missed the point of the system.
Well then what IS the point of the system?

...if you think it needs more processing power, you've kinda missed the point of the system.

Sure, it's powerful now but could it be more powerful? I mean, could more polygons be squeezed in? Could bump-mapping be achieved? Y'know, that sort of thing.

Well then what IS the point of the system?
Fun and simple games. Which is why I don't see the point to this ...

Sure, it's powerful now but could it be more powerful? I mean, could more polygons be squeezed in? Could bump-mapping be achieved? Y'know, that sort of thing.
... because if that's what you're into, just get a PSP.


SiN

But the PSP doesn't have a touch screen and doesn't work with DS carts.

I've always enjoyed Mario 64 DS.

But the PSP doesn't have a touch screen and doesn't work with DS carts.
His point was that, if someone cares that much about graphics and thinks the DS needs more power, completely ignoring its other features, they'd be better off with a PSP.

Right now I'm still waiting for my copy of Ouendan to get here. It's been nine days since I ordered it, and I've already spoiled everything with Youtube vids (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0rOlZpXTFU). Oh well...

His point was that, if someone cares that much about graphics and thinks the DS needs more power, completely ignoring its other features, they'd be better off with a PSP.

Oh Glod, this is dull. I know his point. I was saying having the DS's features with more power behind it would be a bit better than having a regular DS. Nobody is saying you'd lose the DS's unique features. You'd still have those but you'd have more power.

Why is that such a crime? Are you all idiots?

Oh Glod, this is dull. I know his point. I was saying having the DS's features with more power behind it would be a bit better than having a regular DS. Nobody is saying you'd lose the DS's unique features. You'd still have those but you'd have more power.

Why is that such a crime? Are you all idiots?
Actually I wasn't trying to enforce his point. Yes, a DS with a bit more power would be nice, but I was just pointing it out. I don't see how that makes me an idiot.

Fair enough.

You'd have to be pretty idiotic or just downright obtuse to not understand that adding more power to a DS wouldn't detract from what it already is.

Since you don't think that, you're clearly not an idiot, or at least if you are it's not for the above reason.

Oh well. Not my loss.

Edit: SiN, I'm sure you agree it would be awesome to have carts with special chip, like the SNES and the SuperFX chip. Obviously the DS can handle scaling and polygons and stuff like that anyway, but something to give, say, Nintendogs realistic fur or something. Y'know...

You'd have to be pretty idiotic or just downright obtuse to not understand that adding more power to a DS wouldn't detract from what it already is.
That's quite the assumption to make. Are you sure of that?

Adding more power to the DS would detract from what it is:
The DS would be a more expensive system.
It would have a shorter battery life.
Probably be a bit bigger too.
Most importantly, with more power comes the need for developers to use that power. Which means the games focus more on the graphics/technology than gameplay, and also means more expensive games. I dunno about you, but I really didn't like spending $50 on the PSP games I've bought.

However, I understand what you're saying. If DS=great, then DS+more power=greater. Examples from history though (gameboy vs. gamegear) teach us otherwise.

Edit: SiN, I'm sure you agree it would be awesome to have carts with special chip, like the SNES and the SuperFX chip. Obviously the DS can handle scaling and polygons and stuff like that anyway, but something to give, say, Nintendogs realistic fur or something. Y'know...
I totally see what you're saying and all, but for me it's just the old graphics vs. gameplay debate ... I don't think realistic fur would add anything to the gameplay of Nintendogs ... it'd just look nicer. I don't really care about how nice the game looks, as long as it plays well I'm satisfied.


SiN

Oh totally, don't get me wrong I'm all about gameplay, but that's only a part of the experience.

You can't tell me graphics make no difference to a game. Would Worms Armageddon still be as much fun with the original Worms graphics? I don't think so. I think it would play just as well but be much less enjoyable.

Also, the DS wouldn't need to cost more or be larger in size. The "upgrades" would come on the cart, like StarWing, Super Mario World, Mega Man X, etc.

Similarly, the developers are already in a situation where the hardware often forces certain design decisions. The mic, touchscreen, wi-fi, all of these things are imposed on the devs.

I'm not saying the DS should be boosted as a whole, I'm saying it would be cool if some games came with extra power on a GBA cart or something along those lines.

For example, if Nintendo released a GBA cart add-on for Nintendogs which gave them real fur, this could allow you (should you so desire) to give your dog a mohican. Even if you didn't want to style your dog's hair, the user immersion resulting from an extra level of interaction (ruffling your dog's fur, running your fingers through it, etc) could be enough to warrant the power increase.

Oh, finally, DS+more != PSP.

That's quite the assumption to make. Are you sure of that?

Adding more power to the DS would detract from what it is:
The DS would be a more expensive system.
It would have a shorter battery life.
Probably be a bit bigger too.
Most importantly, with more power comes the need for developers to use that power. Which means the games focus more on the graphics/technology than gameplay, and also means more expensive games. I dunno about you, but I really didn't like spending $50 on the PSP games I've bought.

However, I understand what you're saying. If DS=great, then DS+more power=greater. Examples from history though (gameboy vs. gamegear) teach us otherwise.
Well here's a thought:

The biggest difference between an Xbox360 and a Gameboy is the power (although there are also smaller things like more controls and larger screen, but that's a very small concern)

Now, would you prefer to have a Gameboy than an Xbox360?

Now, would you prefer to have a Gameboy than an Xbox360?

Yes.

That's not because of the difference in power. It's because of the difference in game quality. If the Xbox360's games were as fun as the GameBoy's games then the 360 would be more entertaining.

The question you need to ask is closer to "Would you rather have a DS or a DS Lite?". The DS Lite has improvements but it is still the same thing. The games are more fun to play because you have a more wieldy stylus and spend less time worrying about screen glare.

Oh totally, don't get me wrong I'm all about gameplay, but that's only a part of the experience.

You can't tell me graphics make no difference to a game. Would Worms Armageddon still be as much fun with the original Worms graphics? I don't think so. I think it would play just as well but be much less enjoyable.

Again, to me it doesn't really matter. Hell, I remember back in '98 when I got my new PC with a shiny new RivaTNT 3D card (one of the first 3D cards) ... I had Hidden & Dangerous all ready to play, but instead I played Monkey Island 1 for a week! :)


Also, the DS wouldn't need to cost more or be larger in size. The "upgrades" would come on the cart, like StarWing, Super Mario World, Mega Man X, etc.

Yeah, but I imagine those games would cost more.


The biggest difference between an Xbox360 and a Gameboy is the power (although there are also smaller things like more controls and larger screen, but that's a very small concern)

Now, would you prefer to have a Gameboy than an Xbox360?
I think we all know the answer to that question...
Errr, no ... the biggest difference between the 360 and gameboy is that one is portable and the other isnt. I'd take the 360, but not because it was more powerful, but because I already have 2 handheld systems! :)

More power != better system ... by your logic I'd be picking the gamegear over the gameboy. :)


SiN

I am a PlayStation2 man. I find the games more suited to my tastes despite the inferior power behind the console. If the console suddenly got an upgrade and could handle anti-aliasing, better lighting, bump-mapping, all the bells and whistles of an Xbox, it wouldn't really improve the console. If that upgrade also allowed the PS2 to handle better AI, better physics and more options for developers then it would be a definite improvement. The games would improve and I'd still find the controller more comfortable than the Wave Bird or Xbox controller (small or otherwise).

You're right about the difference between a 360 and a GameBoy but that difference wasn't really relelvant to the discussion. He was comparing their power. Power doesn't just mean higher graphical detail.

Let's say you have a handheld console. Let's say some games on that console had available add-ons (much like they do for PC games) which added content but also power. How is that at all harmful to the console in question? It might dent your wallet a bit but the add-ons would be optional.

It sounds to me a bit like what you're saying is that things like the SuperFX chip didn't make any improvements and actually gave reason for buying a different console altogether. That's a bit extreme, isn't it?

The PSP comes with a browser. Do you think people with a DS should refrain from buying the Opera cart? Do you think they should just buy a PSP instead? Would you?

hmmm this is going way off topic anyway i cant wait for legend of zelda phantom hourglass that will be good but the starfox for ds looks kinda crap

The whole strategy element doesn't really fit Starfox, IMHO. Not that I don't like strategy, some RTS games are damn fun, but I Starfox was always a pick-up-and-play style game if you ever feel like blowing stuff up. Also, Phantom Hourglass is going to own. I really missed Wind Waker's graphics, and it seems like WW without all the flaws and some nice DS features. Sailing also seems much better now, definetely looking forward to it.

I've only played 3 DS games:

New Super Mario Bros
Mario Kart DS
Super Mario 64 DS


Out of these games my fav was SM64. I'm currently waiting for Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.

My two favourites are "Animal Crossing:Wild World" and "New Super Mario Bros" so i voted other.

but if the ds had more power it would cost alot more for £100 the graphs are good now if the ds was the same price as the psp then it would be crap graphs but if the ds was more powerful then it would be the price of the psp or more :eek:

but if the ds had more power it would cost alot more for £100 the graphs are good now if the ds was the same price as the psp then it would be crap graphs but if the ds was more powerful then it would be the price of the psp or more :eek:
What? Can you speak english please?

M&L arrived today. I have been playing it and it is GREAT! It only cost me £19.99!

but if the ds had more power it would cost alot more for £100 the graphs are good now if the ds was the same price as the psp then it would be crap graphs but if the ds was more powerful then it would be the price of the psp or more :eek:

Also, the DS wouldn't need to cost more or be larger in size. The "upgrades" would come on the cart, like StarWing, Super Mario World, Mega Man X, etc.

So, um, yeah. We covered the price stuff.

What? Can you speak english please?
basically if it was more powerful it would cost more and i aint paying more:mad:

That'd be fine.

If you didn't want to buy the expansion pack/add-on/game with extra power on the cart, you wouldn't have to.

The DS and DS Lite would both still be exactly the same. Same power, same size, same price, same aesthetics, everything. It is only the games which might cost a fraction more.

It would not be mandatory. That's the point of optional stuff.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=optional

I would pay a few quid more for a cart with some extra beef if the game was good enough to warrant it. You wouldn't.

For example, I would buy Mario Paint DS if it came with an extra GBA cart to store saves on or even if the cart had extra oomph to make polygon modelling better. You wouldn't and that's your loss.

I bloody hate Mario sports but jesus, BLACK MAGE. (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/ab3j/character/character02.html) Damn, yet another DS must-have. If they get axed out the european version, it's import time. (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9g-49-en-70-1fi9.html)

Mario Basketball does look pretty cool.

It looks like NBA Jam + power-ups (and I don't mean colourful shoes).

I went with Meteos. Original, a good challenge & pretty varied.

Unfortunately, Worms is way down the list for me. The DS version is just too messy :-( I expected more.

FuZion.

I too am going to pick AWDS. Any game where you can clock up 170 hours of play time without getting bored has to be good.Crud on fire, and I thought I was going a bit overboard for pushing 30 hours on Burnout 3... :p

I don't really know how valid a vote of mine would be, since I've only played two, and I hate choosing. I've been hooked on Animal Crossing as of late, but MKDS really is great...

Also, the DS wouldn't need to cost more or be larger in size. The "upgrades" would come on the cart, like StarWing, Super Mario World, Mega Man X, etc.
you can expand memory fairly easily, but anything else would increase the cost of the cart dramatically. for instance, if you want to put a graphics chip that would outperform the one installed on ds, that would make the cart cost as much as the system itself. it doesn't sound too bad if you only had to do this once, but if you want to have two different games that do that, you have to pay for this "upgrade" twice. at this point, you should at least start wondering if it would not be more cost efficient for both developers and the consummers to have the game on the more powerful handheld.

there is an alternative of having a cart that comes between the game cart and ds and contains all the upgrades. however, you are running into a tonn of problems here. the short of it is that you basically duplicate the entire system, and the ds becomes simply an i/o system for the cart's system. now consider added costs and the drain on the battery. wouldn't it be easier to release a separate system?

Yeah, point taken but I still don't think minor upgrades which "bolt on" to the current DS hardware (rather than simply out-performing it) would be excessive in price.

I'm not too well educated on the costs of these things, though, so I may be wrong.

I must say I like metroid prime best. The single player was rather short, but if you have friends to play with its lots of fun to play multiplayer and over wifi its pretty good too.

I got Nintendo Touch Golf: Birdie Challenge not so long ago.

It starts off very easy and builds up to being Touch Screen-stabbingly frustrating. I've lost count of the number of times I've almost thrown my DS against the wall as a result.

It's acecakes.

Yeah, point taken but I still don't think minor upgrades which "bolt on" to the current DS hardware (rather than simply out-performing it) would be excessive in price.
i just can't think of anything that would really 'bolt on', as you put it, to the ds. except for memory, which you can allways use more of, everything else, pretty much, the ds does allready, so it's about outperforming one component or another. maybe you could do something like texture filtering on the cart, or some other image processing, but that would only marginally improve the graphics quality and have no impact on gameplay.

I'm glad to see that polarium hasn't got any votes.

I picked it up for a tenner a while back. I took it back. Nice concept, but so damn boring.

Anyone else here played Pheonix Wright: Ace Attourney?

Yeah, I like Pheonix Wright. I'm waiting for Nintendo to localize the others already.

a great game that everone with a ds must own ---> nintendogs! yes thats right. i said it.

Metroid Prime Pinball. Brilliant pinball game, difficult and great boards. And you get the rumble pack with it.

Just been playing Under the Knife and oh boy, is that a good game. I got as far as the aneurisms and failed 3 times in a row. At this point I with any other game I would have thrown my DS at Miyamoto (I don't like losing) but with UTK I felt satisfied.

Metroid Prime Pinball. Brilliant pinball game, difficult and great boards. And you get the rumble pack with it.
my 2nd favorite pinball game. Very challenging and looks great, also has good metroid music and sounds. 1st favorite of course is addiction pinball. I cant get enough of the rally fever table.

Just been playing Under the Knife and oh boy, is that a good game. I got as far as the aneurisms and failed 3 times in a row. At this point I with any other game I would have thrown my DS at Miyamoto (I don't like losing) but with UTK I felt satisfied.

I hated that level. Somehow, my friend managed to beat it for me. But it's a lot of fun, and really difficult.

Heh, my girlfriend did it before me but not for me. She has a separate profile.

my 2nd favorite pinball game. Very challenging and looks great, also has good metroid music and sounds. 1st favorite of course is addiction pinball. I cant get enough of the rally fever table.

Ha I never knew T17 made a pinball game! It looks good.

Sorry to bump this thread, but I just had to recommend Jump Ultimate Stars. It's probably one of the most fun DS games I've played so far, and the closest thing to SSB DS we'll ever get. Even if you hate anime/manga, the gameplay is still really worth it, so you owe yourself to try and import it (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9g-49-en-70-1d3q.html). I've only been playing it for a while, and it already feels perfect; great and challenging gameplay, good visuals for a DS game and a great soundtrack. The only bit of criticism I can think of are the levels, which lack in variety except for a few changes (such as destructible cannons in the One Piece world and stuff like that).

Overall, great game.