We are planning to release a patch in the coming weeks, mostly to fix the issue with Sudden Death which people have raised. Since we have to patch a number of versions (Euro, Russian, Czech, Trymedia etc) and then test it, it might be a couple of weeks. I will post more news when I have it.

Wow, that's great! Now there won't be quite so many threads complaining about how there's no patch yet. By the way, will it fix the bugs in the online play?

Will there be a patch for the European XBox version, or is it just for the PC version?

If there is an XBox version, will it fix anything else apart from the Sudden Death bug?

Will there be a patch for the European XBox version, or is it just for the PC version?

If there is an XBox version, will it fix anything else apart from the Sudden Death bug?

Dude if you could patch XBox games, I would practically be willing to buy one of those suckers to get updates to buggy console games... (not a jab at Team 17, but rather some of the slips that occur regularly) :)

Dude if you could patch XBox games, I would practically be willing to buy one of those suckers to get updates to buggy console games... (not a jab at Team 17, but rather some of the slips that occur regularly) :)
You can. XBox live allows you do download mods and maps, and patches. :)

Will there be a patch for the European XBox version, or is it just for the PC version?

If there is an XBox version, will it fix anything else apart from the Sudden Death bug?

We aren't allowed to patch Xbox unless Microsoft deem it "critical"

We aren't allowed to patch Xbox unless Microsoft deem it "critical"

:( Not that it would make much difference to me, as I don't know anyone with XBox Live (only XBox Connect - which doesn't offer DLC).

I bet if there was a similar bug to the Sudden Death bug in Halo2, Microsoft would allow the patch :-/

I bet if there was a similar bug to the Sudden Death bug in Halo2, Microsoft would allow the patch :-/
And here we have a classic example of Microsoft.

So Spadge, will it fix online play for us? Pretty please.

We are planning to release a patch in the coming weeks, mostly to fix the issue with Sudden Death which people have raised. Since we have to patch a number of versions (Euro, Russian, Czech, Trymedia etc) and then test it, it might be a couple of weeks. I will post more news when I have it.

A bit late i think, but rather late than never....

Hopefully TryMedia people will be able to play with those who have the other PC version ;)

Hopefully TryMedia people will be able to play with those who have the other PC version ;)

I dont think the network problems are related to trymedia-version. But it makes me a bit nervous, that this network/fortnet problem was not mentioned to be fixed with the patch.

I dont think the network problems are related to trymedia-version. But it makes me a bit nervous, that this network/fortnet problem was not mentioned to be fixed with the patch.


If the fortnet is not fixed in the patch then i have had it with this game cos I have SP complete. oh well

A bit late i think, but rather late than never....
Idunno... the game was only released in late November. It's been less than three months to this announcement.

2 Months is a lot of time, when parts of the game doesnt work. Well, i know everyone wants to protect Team17 here and i know there was christmas and new year and holidays. And they are programming a hell lot of other stuff....bla :p

But other developers try as hard as they can, to fix bugs like this as fast as any possible. I know Singleplayer is ok, but online-gaming simply doesnt work. So there should be no excuses, why they dont and why they cant. They should do something....fast :confused:

2 Months is a lot of time, when parts of the game doesnt work. Well, i know everyone wants to protect Team17 here and i know there was christmas and new year and holidays. And they are programming a hell lot of other stuff....bla :p

But other developers try as hard as they can, to fix bugs like this as fast as any possible. I know Singleplayer is ok, but online-gaming simply doesnt work.
You'll be very disappointed when you eventually get round to reading the first post in this thread and finding out what this patch is actually for.

You'll be very disappointed when you eventually get round to reading the first post in this thread and finding out what this patch is actually for.

Thats why i wrote, it's making me nervous, that this problem was not mentioned. Sudden Death doesnt bother me, but parts of the game doesnt work bothers me...

What is really disappointing, is that Team17 seems to ignore everything that is related to this Network Error. Do they think like: "When we ignore it long enough, people will stop talking and complaining about it."??? ;)

I suspect the truth would be nearer to "no matter what we do people will never stop complaining".

I suspect the truth would be nearer to "no matter what we do people will never stop complaining".

This might be true and sometimes it is ok to think so, when people complain all day like "i want my 2d worms back" or "i cant hit the target, make it easier". But you can't compare complaints like these to a really bad technical problem...

You're also telling excuses and by the end you will probably tell me to sell my worms. But I like the game and all i want is to make sure, this problem will be fixed.

But you can't compare complaints like these to a really bad technical problem...I'll be honest with you: I've never tried to play Forts online. For all I know it's fine. For all I know it's unplayable. I remember playing Worms3D online and while it wasn't terribly reliable, it was nowhere near as bad as people made out. Possibly this was because our system was set up properly; I know when I tried it later with a router installed that I hadn't bothered to configure at all it was very bad.

We don't actually know (well, I don't know - I haven't been following the WFUS Online bugs that closely) that the online problems with WFUS are Team17's fault - it may be a problem at Gamespy's end, which is completely out of Team17's control and would not be fixed with a patch.

We don't actually know (well, I don't know - I haven't been following the WFUS Online bugs that closely) that the online problems with WFUS are Team17's fault - it may be a problem at Gamespy's end, which is completely out of Team17's control and would not be fixed with a patch.

Ok, its possible that it's a problem caused by gamespy. but team17 teamed up with gamespy (or whatever) for online play, so they should contact gamespy and try to find out whats wrong.

I seem to try finding out gamespys technical support e-mail and do something on my own.

Ok, its possible that it's a problem caused by gamespy. but team17 teamed up with gamespy (or whatever) for online play, so they should contact gamespy and try to find out whats wrong.

I seem to try finding out gamespys technical support e-mail and do something on my own.

I'm totally agree with you BeAtFREAk!!! I can't understand the Fornet problem is still here!!! Me and my freinds bought this game to play together online... we are still waiting... next time, i'll not buy a worms game before being absolutely sure it is working good. You know the problem with cracked games is (despite it's not legal and bad for developpers) you can't play online. Here i bought a game and i can't play online.
Sorry to say this but this bug really **** me off.

I hope the patch fixes the problem I have with WF. I can't play it anymore because I get an error that says the display driver stopped responding and it then screws up the display. Then I got the stop error screen. And I tried WF again but it still crashes.

Tried updating/changing graphics drivers? sicne that doesn't actually sound like the fault of WF

Nope. How can I do that?

Nope. How can I do that?
lsee what graphics card you got and look for drivers online. download and istall them.


I hope the patch makes it possible to skip the god animation in sudden death. It's just annoying. especially if most of the map is so high, that the flood doesn't even have effect.

the god animation in sudden death. It's just annoying. especially if most of the map is so high, that the flood doesn't even have effect.
He did say to fix the issue with sudden death, so I rather assume so

He did say to fix the issue with sudden death, so I rather assume so
oh, well sorry. Then everything's fine

I'm gutted to hear that an Xbox update is unlikely (because MS may not deem it "critical") - this means that WF:US on the Xbox is for me dead - there's no point playing any kind of multiplayer online with sudden death as it currently stands.

Spadge (or anyone at T17 reading) : is there any way to convince MS that this patch is critical to gameplay, and the Worms brand? I wonder how many Xbox gamers who bought WFUS would risk buying W4:Mayhem given that any bugs/undesirable gameplay that make it into a release are permanent fixtures...

I'm also a little disappointed that it has taken approx 2 months to announce this. Two months is a very long time in terms of gameplay and excitement....you really shouldn't leave it 2 months to announce fixes to games that people have bought and raised issues about, because there are other games out there that people spend their time on, and if Worms doesn't cut it then people choose to spend their gaming time and money elsewhere. Two months later means that the excitement has gone and the potential community is far smaller than it could have been.

What I don't understand is that the Sudden Death feature in particular is SUCH an easy fix, why isn't it out there right now?

N

We are planning to release a patch in the coming weeks, mostly to fix the issue with Sudden Death which people have raised. Since we have to patch a number of versions (Euro, Russian, Czech, Trymedia etc) and then test it, it might be a couple of weeks. I will post more news when I have it.


Any word on how the patch is coming along, will it be out this soon? I want to play online, it will fix that wont it?

Many thanks, zebie

PS I upgrading im connection to 2mb on friday :D

EDIT: I referred to your above quote cos it started the thread and it was dated 1 feb.

I have had a problem about victory locations. I have found that sometimes in multiplayer, the computer can build certain buildings without the nessecary victory lcations. This is expecially annoying when they build a wonder really early on and i can't destroy it because I can only buid keeps. Will the patch fix this?

(It may be that it's just my game because i had the "great statesman" speechbank before i even unlocked it and instead, I wasn't able to use the "american news reader" speechbank.)

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Also, can you give us an estimate date for the release of the patch?

Also, can you give us an estimate date for the release of the patch?
A couple of weeks according to Spadge.
Where in Galway are you from?

A couple of weeks according to Spadge.
Where in Galway are you from?

Im from Barna, near Furbo and between Spiddle and Galway City, but next time use private messages for things not associated with the thread!

I have had a problem about victory locations. I have found that sometimes in multiplayer, the computer can build certain buildings without the nessecary victory lcations.
It could just be that the CPU picked up a building crate. I think you can turn off Wonders in crates on the options menu if that is the case.

If not, well done for getting the hang of PMs so fast!

Are you really from Team 17 Spadge?

It could just be that the CPU picked up a building crate. I think you can turn off Wonders in crates on the options menu if that is the case.

If not, well done for getting the hang of PMs so fast!

We got 1 wonder in our starting weapons but he had only captured 2 victory locations. :mad:

We got 1 wonder in our starting weapons
That doesn't preclude the possibility there was one in a crate, though.
Are you really from Team 17 Spadge?
There's a list of Team17 staff members' accounts here: http://forum.team17.co.uk/showgroups.php? (at the bottom of that page -- ie, the list without me on it). Look out for people using names similar to theirs (there are a few). Spadge is real, though.

So? You still need 5 victory locations to build a wonder, right? Besides, he didn't collect any crate at all

So? You still need 5 victory locations to build a wonder, right?
You can build things you find in crates without any victory locations at all, no matter what they are.
Besides, he didn't collect any crate at all
Well then that's simply not possible unless there's a bug. But I've never seen that happen.

Well then I think it was a bug! Thats why I put it in the patch section. Never mind, my comp has done weirder things when playing WF:US.

Well then I think it was a bug! Thats why I put it in the patch section. Never mind, my comp has done weirder things when playing WF:US.

In the fortpot you can select raining crates or something.
That happens to me a lot, but just because AI worm collected a crate.
And you can select no wonders from crates/no wonders at all. I don´t think that´s a bug. I can be wrong, though.

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Fix the bazooka bug! When i fire it on enemy worms, it goes trough them. And shots go trough land too.

I have sometimes some odd black squares in my lower right part of screen, specially when Team17- and Sega-logos come to screen. Sometimes in game cursor flickers in screen when I aim. Graphics gard is Radeon 9600 XT, so should work without problems?
And, make you able to chance your worms colors, I don't want to be red, I want to be yellow, and my brother watns to be green, but we can't. And make you able to make teams.

I have sometimes some odd black squares in my lower right part of screen, specially when Team17- and Sega-logos come to screen. Sometimes in game cursor flickers in screen when I aim. Graphics gard is Radeon 9600 XT, so should work without problems?
And, make you able to chance your worms colors, I don't want to be red, I want to be yellow, and my brother watns to be green, but we can't. And make you able to make teams.

I agree with ringlessi! You should be able to change your team colours like in the old worms games. Also have it so that if two people want to be allys, they just have to choose the same team colours. This would make the game a lot better, especially when I play with newbies that want a fun game. (I'm too good against them)

Also, I have heard a lot of complaints about that the Radeon 9600 when playing WF:US. Try fix some of those problems.

I agree with ringlessi! You should be able to change your team colours like in the old worms games. Also have it so that if two people want to be allys, they just have to choose the same team colours. This would make the game a lot better, especially when I play with newbies that want a fun game. (I'm too good against them)

Also, I have heard a lot of complaints about that the Radeon 9600 when playing WF:US. Try fix some of those problems.

i have Radeon 9600 and yes, i have the same problems!
The cursor shows up in movies and sometimes while playing.
And i want to be yellow too :cool: , not red :mad:

I, also, want to be yellow. :)

They should add in the ability to change colours, as it's a very easy thing to do. I'll be suprised if they don'tadd it in, unless either they didn't read this post or they're not going to add anything else to the patch.

no patch today oh well, guess i'll wait to next friday and see what comes then

Hope this patch will fix the fortnet problem so we can play on line.. :) :)

Hope this patch will fix the fortnet problem so we can play on line.. :) :)


it really will look very bad on team17 if they dont manage to fix fortnet. I just dont understand why they arent willing to accept hte fact they have a responsibility to get it fixed (Whether they do it themselves or via gamespy).

Is there a kind of "new version" planned for PS2, XBOX and co? I borrowed the game from a store and I wouldn´t spend a second of buying the game if there will be release where sudden death can be disabled. For accelerating the game it´s quite cool, but especially when playing with more people it´s really annoying.

When the patch is ready?!?!? I´ve been waiting for many weeks, and it´s still not released!

The patch will be ready when you see a news post stating that it has been uploaded to the WF site. I wouldn't really expect a major advanced announcement if I were you...

When is the patch coming out??? :mad: I've been waiting weeks! ( not to sound ungrateful or anything, sorry if it does) ;)

When is the patch coming out??? :mad: I've been waiting weeks! ( not to sound ungrateful or anything, sorry if it does) ;)

me2, i hope it´s released soon...

I have made a list of what the patch should fix/add:
Fix-----------
Sudden Death-IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE TURNED OFF
ONLINE PLAY/Fortnet
When you use the bazooka, the next turn you have that starts with that worm, when he puts up his bazooka ITS INVISIBLE!!!!!!!
IF you have time.....the Camera angles!
-----------------------------
Add---------------
TEAMS on Multiplayer
Ability to change team color
UNLIMITED ROUND TIME

Thats all I can think of right now.....add to if if u think of anything else

TEAM 17 PLEASE ADDRESS THESE ISSUES!!!!!

THANKS!

We are planning to release a patch in the coming weeks, mostly to fix the issue with Sudden Death which people have raised. Since we have to patch a number of versions (Euro, Russian, Czech, Trymedia etc) and then test it, it might be a couple of weeks. I will post more news when I have it.


I have problems with the online feature, i join the games online and when they start i get kicked, will this problem be fixed aswell

Twp things:
1: The patch is not going to fix any problems with the fortnet
2:Whats thevpoint on having unlimited time when you could turn sudden death off?

Twp things:
1: The patch is not going to fix any problems with the fortnet
2:Whats thevpoint on having unlimited time when you could turn sudden death off?

True about the unlimited round time, but if they dont fix online play, AKA Fortnet, then that really gay. It is the biggest problem in tho whole game!

Still no patch on yet another friday hahahahahaha team 17 are a joke.worms mayhem will be out before this patch is out.

Still no patch on yet another friday hahahahahaha team 17 are a joke.worms mayhem will be out before this patch is out.
Just be patient! What do you want? A patch that causes more bugs than it fixes? Because that is what would happen if Team17 rushed the patch. Just sit back and wait, then, once Team17 have decided that it's ready, it will appear.

Actually, I'm sure I read a post from Spadge somewhere that said the actual patch took next to no time to make, but it's all the testing on localized versions, and trymedia etc. that's taking so long.

Personally I dont mind that this is taking a while. At least we are getting a patch. Thanks to Team17 for your efforts :cool:

i'm italian.... quando uscirà questa pah cosi potro giocare online? :)

Team17 isn't the first company and WF isn't the first game to have multiple versions on many different platforms and regions. And if the patch is made, all they'd have to do is release the ones that have been confirmed tested and ready.
I know quite a few people in the industry, myself included, and I'm sorry to say but it's pretty disgraceful that a company would take this long for something like patching a product that they release.

^^^^ indeed. its bad that it needed a patch on release. damn fools

Team17 isn't the first company and WF isn't the first game to have multiple versions on many different platforms and regions. And if the patch is made, all they'd have to do is release the ones that have been confirmed tested and ready.
I know quite a few people in the industry, myself included, and I'm sorry to say but it's pretty disgraceful that a company would take this long for something like patching a product that they release.
I reinterate what I said above. However "disgraceful" it might be, wouldn't you rather they took longer and got it right, rather than rush it, and introduce more bugs? I know I would.

What, you mean like the H.E.K.? :rolleyes:

Team17 isn't the first company and WF isn't the first game to have multiple versions on many different platforms and regions. And if the patch is made, all they'd have to do is release the ones that have been confirmed tested and ready.
I know quite a few people in the industry, myself included, and I'm sorry to say but it's pretty disgraceful that a company would take this long for something like patching a product that they release.
I would also like to reiterate like I did in the W3d thread that Spadge is currently out of town. If you're that concerned about it, well, nevermind, he should pop in with news as soon as he gets back.

Team17 isn't the first company and WF isn't the first game to have multiple versions on many different platforms and regions. And if the patch is made, all they'd have to do is release the ones that have been confirmed tested and ready.
I know quite a few people in the industry, myself included, and I'm sorry to say but it's pretty disgraceful that a company would take this long for something like patching a product that they release.

You also have to remember, that compared to the likes of EA and other very large games companies, Team17 are a very, very small company who have less than 100 (it might be closer to 40 - 50 - i'm not sure) staff working for them.

Also, wouldn't releasing one version of the patch at a time, for a certain localised version of the game cause more problems than it would solve? You'd get no end of people moaning that the patch doesn't work, simply because they didn't bother to read that it didn't work on their version. You'd also get another load of people moaning that it's unfair that a certain version should be patched first.

Team17 (and probably most other games companies) are in a lose-lose situation: if they rush the patch, it will probably end up buggy so they'd have to release another one, which would cause most of the fans to moan constantly at them; and if they perfect the patch and eliminate every possible bug in the game, but take 2 years over it, most of the fans moan at them because it's taking far too long.

but when exit?

Hi there,

So i dont want to read the whole thread.
I´ve just one question.
Whats about playing online?Is there anything planed to fix the problem?

Hi there,

So i dont want to read the whole thread.
I´ve just one question.
Whats about playing online?Is there anything planed to fix the problem?
Yup. This patch will fix the online problem. Maybe it would aid you to read the whole thread.

si ma quando esce sta pach?

should i uninstall the game or wait for the patch?

i need a pach for play online T_T

Il est vrai que le patch est attendu avec impatience par tous les mordus de worms, (myself include ;) ) et au vu des quelques messages que j'ai pu lire, j'encourage les créateurs du jeu pour le travail qu'ils ont déjà effectué. The game is easy and very fun to play. May the force be with u :cool:

should i uninstall the game or wait for the patch?
I advise that you leave the game installed, as you will need it installed to apply the patch.

It's just economical to release finished patches for whatever version they have.

Companies know they get complaints, but to be honest, they disregard 99% of them, and choose to acknowledge the 1% that are constructive criticism and may actually help.

Also, anticipating a release of a patch to bring about more complaints about things not working is only a sign of an incompetent team and staff. They've had a long while to at least have one version patched and ready to go by this time, and to release one now, as I said before, is a financially wise decision. Why? Because why wait longer just because you're afraid of "complaints" from little kids, when you're losing customers every day because of the issues on the PC version or other versions.
I don't mean to take the passion and art away from the game industry, but this industry is grossing almost as much as Hollywood's annual earnings, and it really is a business. They want to do what's profitable, and delaying things and having less potential buyers and more potential lost players, is just a poor decision.

Actually, it is not financially good for them in the long run, especially since they aren't collecting any money from the user when releasing the patch. If anything, it'd end up being disasterous in the short term. The more patches they are forced to make, the bigger the chance of screwing up overall.
Taking a long time for a patch doesn't mean an incompetant staff. Has everyone forgotten the old adage, "Good things come to those who wait."? Really, by now you should be amazed at getting a patch for anything that doesn't have a complete focus on the online department of the game.
Finally, if you pay any attention AT ALL to the forums, you'd see that Team17 do take complaints and ideas seriously, as long as they are voiced in a reasonable, comprehensible manner.

Now its allmost 5 month since release of the game, to face the facts again and still no patch for the fortnet error, so i still cant play online.

This is just poor. Can't say anything else

Now its allmost 5 month since release of the game, to face the facts again and still no patch for the fortnet error, so i still cant play online.

This is just poor. Can't say anything else
Seriously, I'm tired of the *****ing around here. Get over yourselves. Waawaawaa, they didn't give me my patch, so they suck. Big friggen deal. How many other games have there been that needed fixes and weren't patched?

These posts are just getting craptacular :rolleyes: .

Seriously, I'm tired of the *****ing around here. Get over yourselves. Waawaawaa, they didn't give me my patch, so they suck. Big friggen deal. How many other games have there been that needed fixes and weren't patched?

These posts are just getting craptacular :rolleyes: .


And i'm tired of ****ing excuses like these. Worms is a cult game with a cult following. Thats all and i know it. Any other developer would never be forgiven for being so slow and ignorant. The thing is, that i never bought a game before, with a crititcal error like this, that weren't fixed within a few weeks or a month. So please dont bother me with your lame excuses for what team17 is doing. Well i know they give a **** about what i think.

I'm like so far to say, that someone should accuse team17 for cheating the customers. So they at least have to put a big fat red button on the game-box like "SORRY, WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO FIX THE NETWORK-BUG. SO YOU CANT PLAY THIS GAME ONLINE (NEVER) !!!!!" :D

Just wait for Spadge to get back. I would tell you where he is but I don't know if I'm really allowed to. If staff wants to comment though...

I know Spadge is trying to help people out with most problems, but he never sayed one word in any thread related to the network-bug, allthough many named this error. He could at least say a few words about it or something else to get more information from the players about it. But when he dont says something about it, i get the idea team17 ignore it for some reason or they dont know really what to do about it. That is what bothers me...

What now? Will i be banned, for saying something critical? That'd be a good idea, to make people quiet, that dont shout "hooray" all the time. But do not wonder then, when worms4 will not be bought by anyone...

Or Team17 decides to release the game only for next-gen-consoles. "Stupid complaining pc users and so much trouble all the time. We dont want this anymore" :D

I know Spadge is trying to help people out with most problems, but he never sayed one word in any thread related to the network-bug, allthough many named this error. He could at least say a few words about it or something else to get more information from the players about it. But when he dont says something about it, i get the idea team17 ignore it for some reason or they dont know really what to do about it. That is what bothers me...

I think Spadge may have mentioned in an IRC chat recently that the network play would be fixed. I can't find the log though.... (see below!)

What now? Will i be banned, for saying something critical? That'd be a good idea, to make people quiet, that dont shout "hooray" all the time. But do not wonder then, when worms4 will not be bought by anyone...

I see no reason for you to be banned. Your comments are constructive criticisms, rather than just mindless flames (like some of the posts in this thread)


I imagine it is quite likely that the patch has been held up in QA and testing, seeing as all the publishers for all the different regions/versions have to test the patch.


Edit:

I've found the IRC Chatlog from quite recently, from the #worms4 channel. the chatlog is available here: http://www.fried-comic.com/dream17/softography_worms4_xtra_chatlog.html

[21:47] Kevin_Street_AKA_Cyclaws: Will the WFUS patch fix WFUS online play? Its totally ubplayable at the moment.
[21:47] Spadge: cyclaws yeah
[21:47] Squirminator2k: Is it?
[21:47] Kevin_Street_AKA_Cyclaws: Good!
[21:47] Kevin_Street_AKA_Cyclaws: Wahoo!
[21:47] Spadge: thats the plan

I suspect the truth would be nearer to "no matter what we do people will never stop complaining".

Regardless, is there a patch available yet? What will fill the void that is Wormnet

when were those post made 15th March -_-

when were those post made 15th March -_-

Sorry, I overlooked this. The patch is still in QA and needs further attention.

how many weeks until the patch is ready?

Hi !

The first thing i would like to have in the next patch is to turn off the sudden death - but i think this has been discussed here before.

The second thing is : I would like to enter a free value for the time, that each player has for his turn. I'm an experienced player (played worms for the first time on my amiga). But when i play with beginners, they need more time than the max. allowed 90 seconds. First they take an overview, then decide to raise a building, select a place for the building, then choose an action (weapon), aim and shoot. Beginners need much more time than 90 seconds ! So i think it would be better if i could enter a free value (e.g. 150 seconds) for each move. Even better: for each player a different time depending on how experienced he is ...

One thing about sudden death: the electrical storm and the armageddon doesn't work in the set with the cave !

Bye

Michael

By the time the patch comes out it looks like worms 4 will be out and a lot of interest will be lost in WFUS because of that.

By the time the patch comes out it looks like worms 4 will be out and a lot of interest will be lost in WFUS because of that.

i don´t think that it takes so long time to make a patch for wfus.

Sorry, I overlooked this. The patch is still in QA and needs further attention.

YOU REPLIED!! :eek: :)

i don´t think that it takes so long time to make a patch for wfus.
You think wrong then, because quite clearly it does.

J'ai terminé le jeu en mode solo et je me permets donc de poster un avis pour le futur patch :
1. il serait bien de pouvoir désactiver le mode mort subite.
2. Après avoir terminé le jeu en mode solo, je m'attendais à pouvoir utiliser les cartes débloquées dans le mode multijoueurs pour une partie en local. Quelle déception! Le patch réglera-t-il ce problème?
3. Dans worms 3d, il était possible de générer des cartes aléatoires, pourquoi n'avoir pas repris cette idée dans la nouvelle version ?
4. (but not least) Je suis peut-être le seul à parler français dans ce forum, mais une réponse, même en anglais, m'obligerais...
Thanks !

Actually, it is not financially good for them in the long run, especially since they aren't collecting any money from the user when releasing the patch. If anything, it'd end up being disasterous in the short term. The more patches they are forced to make, the bigger the chance of screwing up overall.
Taking a long time for a patch doesn't mean an incompetant staff. Has everyone forgotten the old adage, "Good things come to those who wait."? Really, by now you should be amazed at getting a patch for anything that doesn't have a complete focus on the online department of the game.
Finally, if you pay any attention AT ALL to the forums, you'd see that Team17 do take complaints and ideas seriously, as long as they are voiced in a reasonable, comprehensible manner.

Not to start a flame with you Glenn, but...hmm..i'm trying to say this without sounding directly insulting, but it doesn't seem like you know business that well. Saying "they aren't collecting any money from the user when releasing the patch" is a ridiculous statement. Obviously you're right in the literal sense, but consider the investment, the player-base they would keep, and the increased chance of bringing in more players to the community if a game is playable off the bat. Or at least playable within a few months. It's expected, goto any game review site, followup on any game release, look at any game that has had issues and then patches down the road.
Being simple-minded with sayings like "good things come to those who wait" is great if you want to kiss the company's ass and have their "full support" or whatever it is you are openly trying to convey on these forums, but fact is, again it's a horribly poor business move to keep a fanbase waiting this long on such crucial fixes to a game.
Bottom line Glenn, and anyone else who may disagree with me, the longer it takes to at least have one version patched and working for people to see and play, the more and more players they'll lose, and the less likely they'll make any more sales.
Yes, they won't be earning money from keeping a consistent community either, but again, think before you retort what I'm saying.
If team17's business decision projected to simply make a few months' worth of hard sales and then a trickle of sales every now and again after that until they no longer even make any profit on it...then what they're doing is great!
If it was team17's idea to actually make money and do well on this game, they would've projected sales to increase rather than decrease, why? Because games that involve online play usually bring about a growing fanbase and more people to enter the community.
It's expected, and it's what company's aim for when creating a game.
Why do you think so many FPS nowadays make it a point to advertise their great new 'editors' and their game as being extremely easy to edit? It's because they understand the profitability in having players create mods and therefore offer a continued growth in the online community, therefore more sales.

We play games to have fun, we're the consumers as I am with this game, so we're in it for the fun.
Yet I'm not here to whine about it because I think i'm "entitled" to word from the company, or that I'm a heart-broken fan, etc etc. I'm just making my point based on the company's perspective, and their goal is to sell the game and make money. And let alone any personal feelings I can have as a fan, I just feel it's a bad move for Team17 as a company.

I know most likely no one can answer this but I'll ask it anyway. I've had problems with the game locking up with no warning whatsoever, any chance the patch might fix this?

im to laysy to read all the treads. so i got a Q. will there be a patch for the problems of the game crashing when a game is starting. it stops me from getting started :(

mh, that was the first and last time I bought a game developed by team17 or/and published by sega....I know I should have collected some informations about the game before buying...but I did not...I have it since 2 or 3 weeks...mh...very sad!Well, you should have left the online-option away,team17 ...now you owe me the money for mentioning this function in the manual...GIMME MY MONEY BACK!

Even the support is XXXX!

user: I have a problem installing the game..
team17: who cares...go to safedisc.com

In the manual an email address is given ...LOL (info@segahelp.com)

-> any emails get rejected...man...that's an unfunny thing

mh, that was the first and last time I bought a game developed by team17 or/and published by sega....I know I should have collected some informations about the game before buying...but I did not...I have it since 2 or 3 weeks...mh...very sad!Well, you should have left the online-option team17 away...now you owe me the money
for mentioning this function in the manual...GIMME MY MONEY BACK!
You didn't read the manual before you bought the game, though, did you? By the time you read that you'd committed yourself anyway.

Now, why don't you give the game back to the shop? They sold it to you, they took your money, and it's them that you have to ask for the money back. Team17 probably got the same amount of money wether or not you bought the game, and expecting them to stump up the full retail price is plain unreasonable. Team17 don't, and never will, owe you any money, and shouting and demanding it isn't going to endear you to anyone.

Better still, why don't you take your own advice and instead of boycotting T17 and Sega completely, just collect some informations about the game before buying? You've obviously suffered enough, without missing out on a future gem of a game from either company because of this problem.

You didn't read the manual before you bought the game, though, did you? By the time you read that you'd committed yourself anyway.

Now, why don't you give the game back to the shop? They sold it to you, they took your money, and it's them that you have to ask for the money back. Team17 probably got the same amount of money wether or not you bought the game, and expecting them to stump up the full retail price is plain unreasonable. Team17 don't, and never will, owe you any money, and shouting and demanding it isn't going to endear you to anyone.

Better still, why don't you take your own advice and instead of boycotting T17 and Sega completely, just collect some informations about the game before buying? You've obviously suffered enough, without missing out on a future gem of a game from either company because of this problem.

Bad arguments...and far away from reality. Would you take back an opened game although it is copy protected and hand out the money? Shops don't take it back, when opened. That's why I'm sad about something like that.
If there hadn't been an online-option I'd have no reason to be angry. Then, when Fortnet would be bugfree they could have integrated it by a patch and I would be more lucky and friend of team17. I understand your position here as a User Mod...and maybe I'd try to defend the way you do, but please think of it...a bit longer than you already did... well...so, who's responsible for that? Online-feature was in the price, when I bought game...it doesn't work...mh, who's responsible? I am?Because I haven't known of that before?...tz...yeah...that's kind of...you buy a new mouse from a big brand you normaly can trust (e.g. Logitech), it has 10 buttons but only 5 can be used...sure, it's your fault...haha...the only thing is, that there's something wrong here, but I can't point my finger on it

Bad arguments...and far away from reality. Would you take back an opened game although it is copy protected and hand out the money? Shops don't take it back, when opened.
All the same, that's an issue you have to take up with the shop. Nobody else is in a position to return your money, because nobody else has it. If you can demonstrate the the product is faulty then (in this country) the shop has a legal obligation to refund or replace it regardless of their policy. I don't know the law in the US but I imagine it's similar. I can't defend FortNet, because I've never used it so for all I know clicking "FortNet" automatically destroys your computer, but I know it's not Team17's fault that shops walk all over consumers' rights sometimes. Frankly I can't blame them, the way most consumers treat them. That said, a lot of shops will give you a refund even if you've opened it, especially if you make enough noise. You don't know if it works or not until you've opened it, after all.

Edit: I take it you know there's a patch in QA at the moment?

All the same, that's an issue you have to take up with the shop. Nobody else is in a position to return your money, because nobody else has it. If you can demonstrate the the product is faulty then (in this country) the shop has a legal obligation to refund or replace it regardless of their policy. I don't know the law in the US but I imagine it's similar. I can't defend FortNet, because I've never used it so for all I know clicking "FortNet" automatically destroys your computer, but I know it's not Team17's fault that shops walk all over consumers' rights sometimes. Frankly I can't blame them, the way most consumers treat them. That said, a lot of shops will give you a refund even if you've opened it, especially if you make enough noise. You don't know if it works or not until you've opened it, after all.

Edit: I take it you know there's a patch in QA at the moment?

so, maybe when I make enough noise here some people will erase the mistakes they made. I live in germany and our country hasn't raped consumer rights, but how to explain the shop, that I haven't copied the game...that's exactly why they don't take back any software, 'cause our society is up to date with the fact, that piracy is anywhere...even I wouldn't give you the money back for something you could copy.
Furthermore, I'm sure, they even wouldn't gimme the money back when I show them evidence that the game is just particially workin'. The thing is, I played the game first time in singleplayer and it took time to find out, that fortnet's not working. Finally I don't want all my money back...I just want to make team17 work the things out. I don't care who is responsible ...Sega/Gamespy/Team17. They all worked together to bring WF:US out...so it doesn't matter if I write this in anyones forum - they shall work again together and make the game complete. I paid for it god damn...I can't agree with your position and with that. It's the priciple I'm fighting for, too.

what means "QA"? I know, that some voices raise the coming of a patch.. but show me evidence that's not just a rumour. Only a visit of someone like Spadge..... that means nothing ...

what means "QA"? I know, that some voices raise the coming of a patch.. but show me evidence that's not just a rumour. Only a visit of someone like Spadge..... that means nothing ...
Well, he is the creative director in charge of allthe worms games. So either he's lying, or there's a patch. I don't know what more you want, short of an official press release. The patch is long overdue, certainly, but I'm very confident it exists somewhere. Ossett, probably.

QA means Quality Assurance -- that is to say, the patch is kind of finished, but can't be released yet because it needs firther testing, often by publishers, TryMedia wrappers, GameSpy, and so forth. That's done outside T17 and therefore needs more time. With any luck, the patch will fix the problems. If not, then that is the time to complain that Team17 don't do anything about these issues. But you can't complain that Team17 don't patch their games while shouting blind that the patch is not real; it's just not a tenable position.

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=356770&postcount=5

Well, he is the creative director in charge of allthe worms games. So either he's lying, or there's a patch. I don't know what more you want, short of an official press release. The patch is long overdue, certainly, but I'm very confident it exists somewhere. Ossett, probably.

QA means Quality Assurance -- that is to say, the patch is kind of finished, but can't be released yet because it needs firther testing, often by publishers, TryMedia wrappers, GameSpy, and so forth. That's done outside T17 and therefore needs more time. With any luck, the patch will fix the problems. If not, then that is the time to complain that Team17 don't do anything about these issues. But you can't complain that Team17 don't patch their games while shouting blind that the patch is not real; it's just not a tenable position.

http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=356770&postcount=5

Well, shall they give me the patch and the versions...I'll test it for 'em

Well, shall they give me the patch and the versions...I'll test it for 'em
I very highly doubt they will. They can test it themselves.

Oh come on it's the first game i ever played that need so much time to be patched!
This game it's only a waste of money....

Oh come on it's the first game i ever played that need so much time to be patched!
This game it's only a waste of money....

Ragnarok Online, when it was at it's international beta stage, took forever (afaik, it still takes a long time). Roller Coaster Tycoon's expansion packs had a bug that kept people from playing it during daylight savings time, it took a year for them to release a simple 40kb workaround. This is nothing.

Ragnarok Online, when it was at it's international beta stage, took forever (afaik, it still takes a long time). Roller Coaster Tycoon's expansion packs had a bug that kept people from playing it during daylight savings time, it took a year for them to release a simple 40kb workaround. This is nothing.

Pointing out the faults of others doesn't reduce the importance of your own. In all fairness, it's not *nothing*. Patches taking this long isn't the norm. Is it the worst ever instance of a game needing a patch? I dunno...probably not. But It's also not standard fare.

I can see both sides of this issue. I understand where T17 is coming from. But a lot of the complaints here are valid ones. Its discouraging to hear that T17 is almost done with the 3rd 3D iteration of Worms, when the 1st two (3d and WFUS) haven't even been fully fixed. Perhaps one reason that there isnt enough manpower on the patch is because most of it is directed towards new development.

I see the bind T17 is in. They need new content to bring in new revenue...however it seems to me almost a milking of their fanbase. In reality, I'll buy the next W4 because I'll really want to like it...but I also know that based on the last two, it probably will be rife with bugs. Thats a very discouraging premise.

Someone else made a very well thought out post about the fact that if T17 concentrated on making the online picture perfect, then that alone would generate more sales of the existing game. I couldn't agree more.

I'm at the point now where my loyalty to the Worms franchise has all but worn out. If some other company made a Scorched-Earth knock off, and it was done well...I'd have no problem buying it. That's not a threat...it's sadly a simple reality.

Sometimes I'll be ripping my hair out at the annoying and sporadic control quirks...occasionally I'll grimace at the supreme being and his sudden death distractions. Often I'll sit and wonder what an online game of forts would be like.

BUT....

At the end of the day it's still a cool game and well worth £20 of my money :) They'll be a patch soon and the impatience of some of the people on this forum can only be a testament to their enjoyment of the game.

Cue.

Ragnarok online was in beta stage!And you can download ragnarok for free!
You sell the game for good!

about the patch can we get a release date (will it be in a week, a month or a year?)

It'll be out when all the QA's from the various producers return with a green light. Just pray that none of them have problems with the patch, because that means they'll have to modify it and then start another go at QA's.

and that would take... how long?

You'd be waiting about the same period of time as your waiting right now. It basically doubles the waiting time.

Though, I'm sure none of them are stupid enough to deny the patches...
*Goes to 'convince' the companies to push the patches through*

In my umble opinion this patch will be never released.
I will wait worms mayhem.

In my umble opinion this patch will be never released.
I will wait worms mayhem.

Well, that's probably a sound idea, even though the patch *should* be released before W4. At least W4 will have an online enabled demo so that you can see how all facets of the game work, instead of just the single player sections.

The buildings though...what about the buildings...

:<

The buildings though...what about the buildings...

:<
Well... what about the buildings? Please elaborate.

Well... what about the buildings? Please elaborate.

surely you can pick up what he means, worms 4, not buildings warfare ie.. forts

Did tis patch actually get released?

We are planning to release a patch in the coming weeks, mostly to fix the issue with Sudden Death which people have raised. Since we have to patch a number of versions (Euro, Russian, Czech, Trymedia etc) and then test it, it might be a couple of weeks. I will post more news when I have it.

No, it's still stuck in Quality Assurance. Though, you're welcome to pm Spadge if you think it'll help, but odds are he'll tell you the same thing.

As for the W4 system (am I getting this right?), I *think* that there's a fort mode in it, but I can't be certain without finding the posts, and that would take me forever...

Indeed there is, but as far as I can tell it doesn't look like actual buildings as there was in WF.

And it's called 'Homelands' mode.

Hi Spadge,

If you are reading this could you give us an update on the status of the patch please?

slysy

yeah it's just I like the originality of the buildings idea.

I don't want WFUS to be forgotten.

Indeed there is, but as far as I can tell it doesn't look like actual buildings as there was in WF.

And it's called 'Homelands' mode.

Homelands Mode?
I think it might be just another version of the forts mode in Wroms World Party

Homelands Mode?
I think it might be just another version of the forts mode in Wroms World Party

I've never played WWP, so I don't know what its fort mode was like.

According to posts I've read by T17 staff members, in Homeland mode, there is a central island in the middle of the landscape, and other islands around this point, connected to the centre by bridges/thin terrain. Each team starts in one of the outer islands, and this is their base. Crates are only dropped in the centre, so this is where most of the battling goes on. The outer islands have more caves/caverns to hide in.


Have a look at the top image in the attachment on this post: http://forum.team17.co.uk/showthread.php?p=345391&highlight=homeland#post345391

I want the patch.

I give Team 17 two more weeks to release it.

If you don't release the patch within two weeks I'm gonna have a breakdown.

I want the patch.

I give Team 17 two more weeks to release it.

If you don't release the patch within two weeks I'm gonna have a breakdown.
I'm not to sure anyone cares how long you give to release it. They'll take as long as they need.

WF is launched there a six month and the bug and te problem of sudden death are not resolved, it too difficult to create a patch for the fan who have buy this wonderful game ?

I'm really dissapointed by Team 17, I never see a pc game lauch with bug not be resolved six month after...

At least some kind of update would be nice.... I mean.....something like this..

"Dear Worms Forts Fan,

We are sorry for the delay in giving you the patch we promised you.

Despite the long wait I can assure you that the worms patch, which will solve the sudden death problem, the online play function, the control bugs and starting issues will be with you before the year 2010.

Thank you for your ongoing patience.

Yours sincerely

Mr Team 17 Man"

That way we'd know so we wouldn't be on tenderhooks.

Cue.

PM someone from the staff then. Spadge is sort of out of the question, since he's leaving (or has left). The only other person that I can think of that's on regularly, and might know something, is Luther, but I don't know if he has any information...

when w4 is released, wfus might be forgotten. But i'll still try the patch.

WF is launched there a six month and the bug and te problem of sudden death are not resolved, it too difficult to create a patch for the fan who have buy this wonderful game ?

I'm really dissapointed by Team 17, I never see a pc game lauch with bug not be resolved six month after...

They have quite a few versions to patch: A European PC version (in a variety of languages), a Trymedia version (which also has to be approved by TryMedia), a Polish version, possibly a Russian version and the Australian versions.

The patch has to pass through quality assurance for each different region/version - they can't just apply the same patch to all different versions. And, Trymedia have to do their own testing on the patch.

The last we heard, the patch was stuck in QA. And what would you rather have? A patch 10 months after the game is released, or a patch that makes things worse? ;)

PM someone from the staff then. Spadge is sort of out of the question, since he's leaving (or has left)

He wil be back in a week or two though, after the W4 European press tour.

when w4 is released, wfus might be forgotten. But i'll still try the patch.

WFUS wont be forgotten because of the buildings!

WFUS wont be forgotten because of the buildings!
yes, but a lot of people will be playing w4 instead of wfus.

yes, but a lot of people will be playing w4 instead of wfus.

Not if they've experienced difficulty playing W3D and WF:US online.

"They have quite a few versions to patch: A European PC version (in a variety of languages), a Trymedia version (which also has to be approved by TryMedia), a Polish version, possibly a Russian version and the Australian versions.

The patch has to pass through quality assurance for each different region/version - they can't just apply the same patch to all different versions. And, Trymedia have to do their own testing on the patch.

The last we heard, the patch was stuck in QA. And what would you rather have? A patch 10 months after the game is released, or a patch that makes things worse? "

Whe have buy this game, and we can't play correctly 6 month after, do you find this normal ?

I play at many game on PC, and I never see a game will be released with this bug and 6 month after no resolved :-/

I just want to know one more thing. When this patch will be released ?

I love Worms and the game of Team 17, but Iam really disappointed by this problem, I am scared for Worms 4 :-/

Worms 4 should be fine, as they have plenty of time to iron out any bugs, and have a publisher that will actually give them time to fix bugs.

As for WFUS's patch coming out, I wouldn't expect news until Spadge returns from his press tour.

I had an absolutely wicked game of forts today on the chessboard level.

The controls worked fine and it was a reminder of how much this game owns and how desperately love it to have a busy on line community with as much input as W:A in which I am an active player.

There was this weird occurence though which may have a simple explanation to it but we were like "woah " at.

My mate built a castle on a section of land with a floting 'no build' disc above it.

Is that normal?

Cue.

IIRC, as long as it wasn't one of your forts that was destroyed on that piece of terrain, it'll let you build in a no-zone. I know it let me do it on Mission 3 on my PS2.

Yeah, the idea is so that when you destroy a fort you can claim the land without the person whose fort you blew up just rebuilding before you get a turn. Then you get stalemate, at least, until they run out of towers.

I am a patient person, and I have been being very patient, but this is really getting pretty ridiculous. I want to play Worms Forts again!

I am a patient person, and I have been being very patient, but this is really getting pretty ridiculous. I want to play Worms Forts again!
Then, play it! The bugs makes the game anoying but no un-playable.

Then, play it! The bugs makes the game anoying but no un-playable.

the bugs make it un-playable for me cose the game can't start!
i can only get as far as the menues but wen i try to start a game i get the program will be terminated messege!

If you are running Windows 98 or Millenium, you will NEVER be able to play WFUS. The game is incompatible with those operating systems. It says what operating systems it works with right on the side of the box, so if you ignored that, it's your own fault.
I'm betting your error contains the words: "WF has caused an error in WF.exe." Correct?

Is Lemmings being made by the WFUS team? That might be what's causing the delays...

Is Lemmings being made by the WFUS team? That might be what's causing the delays...

What are you on about? Last thing I heard about Lemmings, it was bought by Sony!

What are you on about? Last thing I heard about Lemmings, it was bought by Sony!
Team17 are the designers of the PSP Lemmings

Hi,

I´m new here, but I´m an old wormer. My first Worms was Worms United. In those days, Team17 created fantastic wormgames with extra worm for worm lovers (in the package, there was a little rubberworm-keyholder... which I should lose some years later :eek: )! It was a wonderfull time, my youth, with quite bug-free coded worms. We used to play it for money, so I was able to earn extra cash by killing my friends poor and obviously blind little idiots, thx Michael, hehe!

We still play Worms of course and I really like Worms 3D as well as fiddler tuned up Worms Armageddon. But what the hell has gone wrong with Worms Forts Under Siege? This could be a great game as well, but us, the wormers, we really need this patch now. It is not correct to publish the next one while not having finished the previous game and WF:US definitely is not finished at all. My faith in Team17 is still firm and unbroken, please don´t disappoint me,

waiting, 97wormer (Ger)

7 month after the lauching of WUS, the game always un playable, no comment, thank Team 17 for your respect of your customer, i never see this in a popular Game PC, really disappointed :(

7 month after the lauching of WUS, the game always un playable, no comment, thank Team 17 for your respect of your customer, i never see this in a popular Game PC, really disappointed :(
For the THIRD time, the game is not unplayable. If you're running Windows Millineum or 98, the game will not run on it. And that's the way it is. The publisher (Sega) said not to bother with it. Worms 4, however, will have support for those two operating systems, because Codemasters told them to do it.

So, if you are running one of those two operating systems, it's your own fault for not checking the side of the box for the system requirements.

I dont know why people put comments here cos team 17 dont give a crap about us or the game, i have given up on this game long ago. :(

I dont know why people put comments here cos team 17 dont give a crap about us or the game, i have given up on this game long ago. :(
It's sega europe (the publisher) that we've got to blame more than anything. And possibly lack of research into the game before you bought it.

97wormer - there's always a big difference in numbers of bugs between 2D games and 3D games! I know this because I made quite a few 2D games myself!

97wormer - there's always a big difference in numbers of bugs between 2D games and 3D games! I know this because I made quite a few 2D games myself!

Hi,

sure, 3D is a lot more complex. But take a look at Worms 3D, it works quite well, even online. And there are hundreds of 3D games, which don´t have major bugs. In WF:US, you can´t change the resolution in game, you have to use an external starter, made by a private person (thank you for that!).

It is a fact, that in year 2005, Team17 has a bigger interest in selling their new game than finishing their old one.


97wormer

Hi,

sure, 3D is a lot more complex. But take a look at Worms 3D, it works quite well, even online. And there are hundreds of 3D games, which don´t have major bugs. In WF:US, you can´t change the resolution in game, you have to use an external starter, made by a private person (thank you for that!).

It is a fact, that in year 2005, Team17 has a bigger interest in selling their new game than finishing their old one.


97wormer
When you pop the disk in, walla! It starts. And you could just double click on the "Play Worms Forts Under Siege" icon.

When you pop the disk in, walla! It starts. And you could just double click on the "Play Worms Forts Under Siege" icon.

Yeah, and then I play with resolution 800x600 and can´t change it in game. For resolution 1280x1024, I have to use the launcher by Andrew Taylor, who has done Team17s job.

If you are running Windows 98 or Millenium, you will NEVER be able to play WFUS. The game is incompatible with those operating systems. It says what operating systems it works with right on the side of the box, so if you ignored that, it's your own fault.
I'm betting your error contains the words: "WF has caused an error in WF.exe." Correct?


Glenn.

first: to your question, the line of the error messege is: there was an exeption in (wird number) of wf.exe.

BUT: on my wfus game box it says that ít works with windows 98, 2000 and xp. and i got 98.
that meens that it shold work with windows 98 and that it shold work on my computer.

and another importent thing, i have tryed a demo of wfus that worked on my machine.

Hrm... that is a puzzler then... A patch isn't going to solve the problem though, I doubt that. Odds are it's something on your end. Have you tried updating direct X and your graphic drivers?

Do you have a radeon x9000 or higher graphics card, by any chance?

Do you have a radeon x9000 or higher graphics card, by any chance?


i have found the problem!
it is not the driver it is not directx
my grafix driver is the newest geforce and i have directx 9.0c

the problem is my grafixcard it is a 32-bit vile the game needs 64-bit.

that takes me to something a bit difrent.
i have herd a roumer that someone made the game work with a 32-bit card
those who have made it work that way, please contact me and tell me how to do it.

but i am still puzelled, if my grafixcard is to old for the game, how culd the wfus demo work???

I bought this game ages ago, my mates come round to my house to play multiplayer. they want to buy their own copy toso we can play online together...... but no patch.... so that's 3 extra sales from 1 person,,,,, how many other sales are you losing out on (never mind the amount of repect you lose as a company) Will I buy worms 4?
It depends what else is on the shelf, where as before I would have pounced on it.

I'm very happy about it though :-D , when my mates come round to play they bring beers and supplies ;^)

The time limit is so annoying. especially when playing 4 player. sort it out

besides that and a few camera issues a very good fun game :-)

okay i am patient but this has gone to far!!! if the patch works in the UK version just give it to us!!!! instead of holding it back until all testing is done :mad:

I think this patch will be here soon. Its good PR for them to release this before W4, because then WF owners are more likely to feel happy with Team17 and buy W4. Come on Team17 it would make sense :cool:

I think this patch will be here soon. Its good PR for them to release this before W4, because then WF owners are more likely to feel happy with Team17 and buy W4. Come on Team17 it would make sense :cool:

Actually, the PR part of it won't be that effective if their target audience is the WF crowd. Since WF, Team 17 hasn't really demonstrated any good intentions to the US market, in regards to patches and support. If Team 17 thinks people will just tear W4 off the shelves when it is released, they are being very naive.

Team 17 can't just release a new game and expect customers to believe that the whole WF shenanigan is forgiven. It's not a realistic way to do business.

As of right now, I have no intention of buying W4, based on the lack of support from WF:US. And no, the SD problem in WF isn't the deterring factor here. There's a long list of other bugs WF has.

Beer-Wagon

Actually, the PR part of it won't be that effective if their target audience is the WF crowd. Since WF, Team 17 hasn't really demonstrated any good intentions to the US market, in regards to patches and support.
Surely the US market has had it better than the UK market. You get the patches pre-installed from the CD. You got the same exact software, all you lost out on was the psychological gratification of actually installing the patch.

Surely the US market has had it better than the UK market. You get the patches pre-installed from the CD. You got the same exact software, all you lost out on was the psychological gratification of actually installing the patch.

What are you talking about? WF:US didn't have any patches. I'm not sure about anyone else, but for those of us who purchased WF:US from Trygames.com, there are ZERO patches, and nothing as far as pre-installed patches were included with the purchase.

As of this date there are ZERO official patches for WF:US, so I have no idea where you got your info from or what you are talking about.

If you are referring to the SD fixxer, that's not a patch, it's a workaround. The patches that don't exist are the ones we need, which fix many of the multiplay issues as well as display and controller problems, as well as the camera issues in relation to movement.

Can you please tell us what patches for WF:US you are referring to?

What are you talking about? WF:US didn't have any patches.

I think Andrew may have been talking about W3D - the USA version came pre-patched

I'm not sure about anyone else, but for those of us who purchased WF:US from Trygames.com, there are ZERO patches, and nothing as far as pre-installed patches were included with the purchase.

That is actually a fault with Trygames and not Team17, since Trygames are the publishers for that version of WFUS.

I think Andrew may have been talking about W3D - the USA version came pre-patched



That is actually a fault with Trygames and not Team17, since Trygames are the publishers for that version of WFUS.

Ok, but all the things you said taken into account, this thread is in regards to bugs for a game that has had no patches, despite the publisher, so yes, Trygames has its own issues, but Team 17 is ultimately responsible for ensuring a patch is made available for WF:US.

So far Team 17 has not supported its customers who purchased WF:US, despite who has their name under the "Published by" credits.

For the THIRD time, the game is not unplayable. If you're running Windows Millineum or 98, the game will not run on it. And that's the way it is. The publisher (Sega) said not to bother with it. Worms 4, however, will have support for those two operating systems, because Codemasters told them to do it.

So, if you are running one of those two operating systems, it's your own fault for not checking the side of the box for the system requirements.

You don't understand, the game work perfectly on my computer, the real problem is the problem of sudden death, the many bug in the online of WUS...

And all this bug make this game unplayable... And the support of Team 17 is a shame, the patch is promised since february and we are in July... no comment.

Why haven't we heard any news from Team 17?

Its becuase there is no patch.

We are planning to release a patch in the coming weeks.(Posted 1st february)
Really?
Weeks...You must mean months...

I hope the patch isn't released when W4 comes out.

I pre-ordered w:4M so we can hope the patch comes before.

just one question...

HOW CAN TEAM 17 USE 4-5 MONTHS ON A PATCH THAT WAS DUE IN A FEW WEEKS!? :mad:

its not fair! just give us the patch :(

its not fair! just give us the patch :(
Not fair?
They are not finished.
I don't think it will come out for a while,As they are very occupiced with Worms4:mayhem

If the patch comes out after W4:M, I just won't get it then.

well...

today is the 29 july...

worms mayhem is out...

no patch 2 wfus yet...--> :(

No point in getting the patch then if W4 is already out.

No point in getting the patch then if W4 is already out.
Yes there is, WF:US is VERY different from W4, and is still a good game!

Yes there is, WF:US is VERY different from W4, and is still a good game!


i totally agree wfus is/could be a fun multiplayer game that could be played with mates...

the idea of the game is to be totaly sneaky /evil /pleading / backstabbing / sledgingly fun .... right in your mates face mwahaha


..... worms 4 look like a worthwile game to wait untill it goes down to £10 .............
wfus SHOULD be a really great game ..... wasted. oh I wonder if it will be a feature in worms 5 .............
i wish they would bring out hogs of war 2
im racked off becuase worms 4 mp is out

Ich laber jetzt einfach mal auf deutsch, weil mir das einfach zu blöd ist.
Monatelang wartet man auf nen patch, wird am Anfang noch vertröstet das er in ein paar Wochen rauskommt und was is? Nix, Null und nochmal Nix.
Einen schlechteren Support hab ich noch nie erlebt, und werde mir auch nie wieder ein Spiel kaufen bei dem Team17 die finger drin hat.
Ich hoffe die gehen bald pleite, dann haben wir immer nochj genauso viel unterstützung und Information wie jetzt.Nämlich keine.
So ein Spiel mit solchen Bugs überhaupt zu veröffentlichen ist schön Frechheit genug, aber dann die Käufer auch noch so im Regen stehen zu lassen ist unglaublich.
Bin wirklich stinksauer.

Bye.

Errrmmm... What? Please post in English.

Errrmmm... What? Please post in English.

He is complaining about waiting so many months, allthough he was fed with hopes right from the release, that a patch would come out soon. He said he never experienced a support, that was worse than that and will never buy a team17 game again. He hopes team17 will go bust, coz then people have the same support as it is now, that is nothing. He thinks its a shame to release a game with such bugs, but "to leave people standing in the rain is unbelievable"

I can understand his complaints very much, cuz i have also been angry when i was waiting so long for the patch. The normal customer of team17 games is not interested in any excuses (publisher problems etc), they just want a completely working game...

But i preodered W4M (yes, i bought another team17 game...haha) and now playing the demo all the time, so i forgot about Worms Forts a little, but its a shame anyways...

Actually, now that W4 will be fully finished in a couple of days, Team17 should get back to work on the patch.

Und Fizzlibutz, war es nur die Spiele Team17, die mit Sega gebildet wurden, das wirklich Buggy sind. Ich denke nicht, daß irgendwelche der anderen Spiele alle mögliche Wanzen haben.

I can understand his complaints very much, cuz i have also been angry when i was waiting so long for the patch. The normal customer of team17 games is not interested in any excuses (publisher problems etc), they just want a completely working game...
But it is also up to the customer to research the products they buy.

But it is also up to the customer to research the products they buy.

Only to the extent of "is it a PC game" and "does it meet my specs" (I'll pretend consoles dont exist)

If your suggesting users should trawl the web looking for strange incompatablities or get on a froum and check for bugs then your living in a strange place where the people making money get to widdle on consumers in a big way (oh hang on its like that anyway), it is down to the creator of the product to ensure it is fully working.

More than half the people I know would not have a clue about forums and hardware.

There seem to be allot of "fanboys" on here defending team17 with really base arguments like "leave em aloane its done when its done" and "moaning" about "moaning" (ack the irony) well the game was not free so people have a right to "moan" about any part of it.

If anything Team17 should take it as a compliment that people are complaining as it means they have done a cracking job to get people involved like this, if the game was a pile of kak then no one would bother coming on here. Really its sterling work overall and people are saying that just by posting.

Although there are better things to maon about However I rant about them too :)

(off topic)
Mayem demo works and play nicely, hopefully this will be a winner although I'll be waiting to find out if there are any bugs and wether turn and game times can be infinate before paying out this time. (original worms style)

The consumer has a right to assume that products will do what they claim they do, however this right is protected at the retailer end -- you can take it back if it doesn't work as it's advertised, and if any store clerks tell you otherwise they're lying and you should ask to speak to the manager and try to use the phrase "Consumer Credit Act" at some point (UK only).

The bottom line is that whoever drops the ball, you have no legal "right" to anything beyond a refund which you have three years from purchase to demand, so bickering about people being ripped off and about your rights won't really solve anything. That doesn't make it alright to make a shoddy product, by any means, but it means that while you can moan all you want you can't actually demand anything.
What are you talking about? WF:US didn't have any patches. I'm not sure about anyone else, but for those of us who purchased WF:US from Trygames.com, there are ZERO patches, and nothing as far as pre-installed patches were included with the purchase.

As of this date there are ZERO official patches for WF:US, so I have no idea where you got your info from or what you are talking about.

If you are referring to the SD fixxer, that's not a patch, it's a workaround. The patches that don't exist are the ones we need, which fix many of the multiplay issues as well as display and controller problems, as well as the camera issues in relation to movement.

Can you please tell us what patches for WF:US you are referring to?
Well, you seemed to be under the bizarre impression that the US market had somehow lost out on things that other markets had, "in terms of patches and support" and that simply isn't true. In the history of Team17 I've never known any patch not be made available to US players. Or perhaps, in common with many Americans, you simply forgot that the rest of the world existed.

Personally I'm totally unaware of any multiplayer, display, camera, or controller issues. I hear the online play is buggy, but I wouldn't know because I've never bothered to try it out. But the controls, display and camera seem fine to me.

There seem to be allot of "fanboys" on here defending team17 with really base arguments like "leave em aloane its done when its done" and "moaning" about "moaning" (ack the irony) well the game was not free so people have a right to "moan" about any part of it.
No you don't. Well, yes you have freedom of speech in the UK, not so sure about the US these days, but that's it. The game does indeed run. It just doesn't run as you want it to. You might say that's becuase of a bug, but you don't have any rights over it since that's what the game is meant to do, if the bugs really are that bad then you have a faulty product for which you can legally demand a refund, in the UK at least.

double post edit

Or perhaps, in common with many Americans, you simply forgot that the rest of the world existed.
Reminds me of the film, Evolution. "in 2 months the creatures will take over the whole of America." "We'll be extinct". Unles of course, americans are a different species...

No you don't

have you read any of the posts? theres loads of moaning so clearly the right exists what you may mean is in your oponion you dont think people should moan

have you read any of the posts? theres loads of moaning so clearly the right exists what you may mean is in your oponion you dont think people should moan
*sigh* Do you really think I was tryining to deny the right to moan? I was just saying it wans't totally justified

*sigh* Do you really think I was tryining to deny the right to moan? I was just saying it wans't totally justified

Hah yeah you fooled me when you said "no you dont" when i said we had the right :rolleyes:

I just brought Worms 4 Mayhem on P.C last Friday, It is such a good game, I completed it in three days!

I got the whole worms collection and Im a bit discusted that they can release a game before a patch which is a quarter of its size.

I got the whole worms collection and Im a bit discusted that they can release a game before a patch which is a quarter of its size.
Different development teams. T17 is quite big.

i'm not buying mayhem until there's a patch....... so lets hope i dont come across a cracked copy eh!

Im a bit discusted that they can release a game before a patch which is a quarter of its size.

um.......

i thought most games were released before their patches

um.......

i thought most games were released before their patches

he meant worms 4 compared to the wfus patch i think :D

he meant worms 4 compared to the wfus patch i think :D

he means that he's disgusted by the fact that worms 4 was released before the WFUS patch?

the WFUS patch has been delayed and is due for release sometime between now and the apocalypse.

originally the WFUS patch was to be released long before W4:M

he means that he's disgusted by the fact that worms 4 was released before the WFUS patch?

the WFUS patch has been delayed and is due for release sometime between now and the apocalypse.

originally the WFUS patch was to be released long before W4:M
No, he's disCusted, can't you tell the difference? :rolleyes: :p

No, he's disCusted, can't you tell the difference? :rolleyes: :p

well i know i didn't spell it right

oh dear................ another week, month goes bye and team 17 let us down.... . OH how i used to LOVE worms.

I'm starting to feel sorry for WFUS in a maternal way ... like the step daddy is ignoring it over the other children...... poor WFUS ;-(
If only the games industry had the equivalent of social services, to take WFUS away from the neglecting T17 and make that little bit of extra effort for it to attain it's rightful, loving place in the gamers world.. ahhh

For those who are extremely annoyed by the Sudden Death effect and are ****ed off by team17 attitude (6 months since they promised a patch.... bleh):

Open the file data\frontend\menutweak.xom in any hexadecimal editor (winhex for example). Find the number (ASCII): 180000. That's 30 minutes in 1/100 second intervals. Change it to, say, 999999. Now if you select a Sudden Death time of 30 minutes, it will happen really in 166.66 minutes (don't pay attention to the round time counter in the bottom left corner, it will show 6 minutes but will underflow as it hits 0).

Far easier to just get this:
http://www.fried-comic.com/dream17/forum/viewtopic.php?t=172

It switches the menu graphics as well as the round times to 0,5,10,15,30,60,90 instead of 0,5,10,15,20,25,30. I feel sure it's against the rules to post it here, but it's been six months since the patch was a fortnight away and it's still not here, and I for one think we may as well have some kind of stop-gap measure. Designed for and tested on UK CD-ROM version -- otehr versions may differ and it may not work on them.

They didn't even answer anymore :mad: .What a ****!

Thanx a big one Andrew Taylor U* ........ "Far easier to just get this:
http://www.fried-comic.com/dream17/forum/viewtopic.php?t=172


that worked very well and easily set up. good work guys .......... Pity you dont work for Team17
No more STUPID GODS :D

Omg they got a Worms 4 Mayhem patch out in several weeks and Worms Forts has taken how many months!? :eek:

Omg they got a Worms 4 Mayhem patch out in several weeks and Worms Forts has taken how many months!? :eek:
Worms 4 probably sold a lot more copies though.

Omg they got a Worms 4 Mayhem patch out in several weeks and Worms Forts has taken how many months!? :eek:

I doubt it would have solved my sound issue so I'm not exactly jumping for joy.

i had a sound problem with worms 4 aswell. i just got a new sound card and it works fine now.

i had a sound problem with worms 4 aswell. i just got a new sound card and it works fine now.

My soundcard is only 4 months old. I'm not ready to ditch it just yet.

lol i only just got the sound card too. but i couldnt play worms 4 with the sound messed up! the relationship just wasnt working

Any news on the Patch T17?

OMG!! How long has it been now?!!

8 months :mad: :( :mad: :( :mad:

8 months :mad: :( :mad: :( :mad:

I guess they're not going to ever make it, so i'll stop whining...but i would have really liked to see it...

8 MONTHS?!! What is taking so long? The W4 patch is already out! WTF!

Worms 4 probably sold a lot more copies though.
. .

can you please also fix the united states online system?

I think you mean:-
can you please fix the whole online system?

i so want a forts patch, were is it, and if its still on, i would like the game to be speeded up like w4, i dug it up from my game pile and i would love a patch

T17 I Plead To You, Release The Patch!

You really should be pleading to Sega-Europe - T17 can't do anything to do with WFUS without their say-so

You really should be pleading to Sega-Europe - T17 can't do anything to do with WFUS without their say-so

All i want to know is it still an open project for T17 or is it dead?

You really should be pleading to Sega-Europe - T17 can't do anything to do with WFUS without their say-so
T17 could surely give us an update though... Let us know what the hold up is, even if it is as little as saying "Sega aren't returning our calls any more".

yeah, some info would be nice

It is obvious, they don´t give a f*** about us! Maybe, we should blow up the whole thread with mail bombs, that´s what we have learned over the years by playing worms. :D

mabye we should just forget about team 17 making the patch and make it ourlselves! Yeah! whos with me! down with the government!

I believe some people out there already have...

oh, well anyone by any chance have a link for any of these if any?

oh, well anyone by any chance have a link for any of these if any?
http://forum.team17.co.uk/showpost.php?p=431347&postcount=203

dang it all. i have the trymedia version and that patch didnt work :( is there any solutions for the trymedia version?

mabye we should just forget about team 17 making the patch and make it ourlselves! Yeah! whos with me! down with the government!

If there was any chance for me to help you, I would do it. Unfortunately, I have wasted my lifetime with gaming (C-64 was my first machine ;)). I´m a good wormer, but I don´t know how to write or edit code, very sad :(.

when will there be a patch to fix FortNet (damn you T17)

when will there be a patch to fix FortNet (damn you T17)
Aparently never. Nor W3D.

T17 suck ass :mad:

T17 suck ass :mad:
Sega suck ass. T17 can't afford to create anything for WF without sega saying so.

Plus you should have researched your games before you buy them.

Sega suck ass. T17 can't afford to create anything for WF without sega saying so.

Plus you should have researched your games before you buy them.

Worms has always been marketed as a Multiplayer game and it doesn't matter which way you butter your bread the fact remains most of us here haven't been able to play a decent game online since WWP.

MP (amongst other things) is broke. No two ways about it.

MP (amongst other things) is broke. No two ways about it.
Then why did you buy the game? :confused:

MP (amongst other things) is broke. No two ways about it.
No, it isn't. Online play might be, but multiplayer is not. Please learn this distinction.

can we atleast hear from a team 17 staff member if there even is a patch coming out anymore, just to stop all this confusion and hope. please

Is ANYTHING actually happening with this patch?! It's been 9 MONTHS now.

It occurs to me that emailing or PMing someone might prove more productive than repeatedly posting in a thread that clearly nobody ever reads.

After something fails ten times in a row, try something else.

No, it isn't. Online play might be, but multiplayer is not. Please learn this distinction.

There is no distinction, IMO. You need to justify your answer. Are you seriously suggesting that I invite friends from all over the world for a hot-seat game or that I completely open up my network just to allow games from T17 to work via direct IP?

MP is broken. It doesn't do what it says on the tin and I think it is fair to say a large number of people, judging by comments made on and off the forums, are dissapointed with T17 efforts over the last 5 years.

There is no distinction, IMO.
That is a stupid opinion. It is perfectly possible to have a mulitplayer game of Forts. Therefore, claiming multiplayer is broken is wrong.

The word "multiplayer" is NOT synonymous with "online play" and using the terms interchangably will only confuse people. It's hard enough as it is to describe bugs and problems in a game without being able to fire it up and demonstrate them. The last thing we need is people using the wrong words to describe parts of the game.
Are you seriously suggesting that I invite friends from all over the world for a hot-seat game?What? No. Of course not. That would be ludicrous. Exactly what part of "multiplayer is not the same thing as online play" made you think I was advocating opening your home up to random strangers from the Internet?

Sometimes people on this forum really confuse me.

My opinion, stupid or otherwise is just that, and I think you should respect it just as I respect yours ;). However, in this day and age - in the year 2005, when one talks of Worms in regards to Multiplayer or Online play they are and should be treated as one and the same.

Sure I can play against the PC and I can play locally against friends and IF I'm lucky I can play via direct IP but as we all know Worms becomes very stagnant when played against the same opponents (real or otherwise) over and over.

Therefore, to improve Worms, Multiplayer and/or Online play you have to set aside the technical and literal meanings of MP and Online play and concentrate on the fact that the game is broke. It doesn't warrant the monies people spent on it and it, as a product if nothing else, does not fulfil the requirements and specification as well as it should.

You're not listening.

I am not saying online play is not important. I am not saying online play is working. I am not saying games should be shipped with faulty online play. I'm not saying that hotseat play can reproduce every facet of online play. I am simply trying to explain to you the difference between "online play" and plain old "multiplayer". What part of this is causing you difficulty?

Example: The SNES has no modem, so by your logic it has no multiplayer mode. So why does it have two controller ports? Well, the answer is that one of the assumptions is wrong -- the implicit one that "online play" and "multiplayer" are the same thing. They aren't, and no amount of emotional appeal will change that simple fact.

You can play Forts with more than one player. Ergo, multiplayer works.

They are not confusing Andrew. To be confusing you have to almost, but not quite, see what they are saying.

No. They just plain just don't make any sence.

Hi, Worms Forts is sold here as low budget these days! On the package, it says, that you need an internet connection for online-games..... we should sue their asses off! :mad:

Hi, Worms Forts is sold here as low budget these days! On the package, it says, that you need an internet connection for online-games..... we should sue their asses off! :mad:
Err, for what exactly, for stating a fact?

If the game was called "Worms Forts:Online Siege" and had a banner similar to XBox Live-compatible games (a banner with something strongly suggesting that online play was the only way to play this game), then you might have a case. But, for stating a fact, I don't think you could sue Team17 or Sega.

Err, for what exactly, for stating a fact?

If the game was called "Worms Forts:Online Siege" and had a banner similar to XBox Live-compatible games (a banner with something strongly suggesting that online play was the only way to play this game), then you might have a case. But, for stating a fact, I don't think you could sue Team17 or Sega.


If the package in the store (point of time: you haven&#180;t bought it yet!) promises, that it is possible to play this game online and after having spent your money, you realize, that online-play is not working at all... in Germany, we call it "Schlechtleistung" (=the product has an error) and there are several ways for you, as a consumer, to get your rights.

What really makes me angry is the fact, that Team17 and/or Sega again make money out of this game by offering thousands of low budget copies, fully aware of the situation and not willed to fix the damn bugs. This is not a single case here, hundreds of consumers are getting lied to.