I'm not the biggest fan of Steam and try to use it as little as possible as I have two gaming machines and steam hates simultaneous logins. Any chance of releasing a version free from steam so I can buy it from Direct2Drive?

Oh.. and don't forget wireless Xbox 360 controller support :D

As i said many times.....i would love a no steam ver, since i dont like steam so much either....
But, sadly, i dont see it coming....

yes please please make the pc version playable with the xbox360 controller for windows. i'm so used to playing the PSN version of Worms & it would be much easier for me to play the PC version with controller too.

Digital Distribution is the way of the future, so get used to it.

Direct2Drive IS digital distribution.

Unless you can be in two places in one time, why do both of your computers need to be logged in to Steam? ;)

I have two gaming machines and steam hates simultaneous logins.
Not needed at all for Worms.
You can play the game with multiple people on one machine.
Hotseat multiplayer, like it always was in Worms.

IIRC, it also works online with a combination of local and remote players.

IIRC, it also works online with a combination of local and remote players.

Where'd they say that?
>>pleasetellmewhatIIRCmeans<<

Where'd they say that?
>>pleasetellmewhatIIRCmeans<<


Ask GOOGLE - GOOGLE knows everything :rolleyes:


If I remember correctly

Not needed at all for Worms.
You can play the game with multiple people on one machine.
Hotseat multiplayer, like it always was in Worms.

IIRC, it also works online with a combination of local and remote players.

Ah but what if one person wants to play Worms while another person wants to play say... PORTAL? Both machines can't be logged in at the same time making the scenario impossible to achieve legally.

Ah but what if one person wants to play Worms while another person wants to play say... PORTAL? Both machines can't be logged in at the same time making the scenario impossible to achieve legally.You can just use Offline mode then.

But then you can't use Steam to chat with friends :/ instead you have to minimize,run the game windowed or chat verbally.

Ask GOOGLE - GOOGLE knows everything :rolleyes:


If I remember correctly

Alright, then you have misunderstood something, bonz. They never said this mode will be featured.

franpa seems to understand my point. Either way I would like my HTPC to stay as hassle free as possible. I really can't be arsed with clicking around and starting steam in offline mode only to find out that the game I want to play uses steam cloud. Had that problem with Shatter.

Ah but what if one person wants to play Worms while another person wants to play say... PORTAL? Both machines can't be logged in at the same time making the scenario impossible to achieve legally.

You are not supposed to let other people use your Steam account.

It's a double-edged sword. Either they don't use Steam and people complain about not having digital distribution and online framework and having your settings and games available everywhere and so on, or they do use Steam and people complain about being forced to be online and have games attached to one user/account and so on.

It's a double-edged sword. Either they don't use Steam and people complain about not having digital distribution and online framework and having your settings and games available everywhere and so on, or they do use Steam and people complain about being forced to be online and have games attached to one user/account and so on.

There are plenty of digital distributers out there other that Steam. Direct2drive, GamerGate, GamePlanet, Impulse Driven. Either way, I'm not saying that I would prefere them not to use Steam. I'm simply asking if they can also provide a version that isn't tied to Steam through steamworks as, believe it or not, I and many others prefere not to use Steam.

believe it or not, I and many others prefere not to use Steam.

Count me there!
I use Steam when i want to play CSS ,Gmod,Altitude....in other words, games that force me to run it....some games are fun to play offline, and steam forces you to go Online and set offline mode before using them Offline (thats a bit ridiculus in my opinion).....lets supose I go out with my lap, there are no wireless there and I want to kill time playing Gmod offline, nope I cant, I payed for a game that I cant play whenever I want to and having internet connection near or not having it....taking apart the constant pop-ups of "Steam updates" and some promotional games (Ex: for 1 weekend) that they add to your gamelist without permission.....
As you can read, there are reasons to dont like Steam.....

and steam forces you to go Online and set offline mode before using them Offline (thats a bit ridiculus in my opinion).....lets supose I go out with my lap, there are no wireless there and I want to kill time playing Gmod offline, nope I cant
What the hell are you talking about? What, did you never notice that big "Start In Offline Mode" button when you try starting steam without a connection?

Probably we can play offline while in single player mode, but don't know and don't be so sure about this.

What the hell are you talking about? What, did you never notice that big "Start In Offline Mode" button when you try starting steam without a connection?

ok,ok....now that works.....i have not tried that since months ago(I stopped using Steam, now I returned to play Altitude).....before the last major Steam update, you had to log in and set offline mode to use it offline....
Anyway, when you have more than 1 CPU and you like to use it simultaneously Steam is more than annoying....you have to buy the game for every person who will play it in your house (no in worms since you can play 2 players in the same computer, but yes, in most of the games), for example I have to buy CSS 2 times if I want to play on LAN with my brother....
Having a gaming laptop is a problem also....login to steam every time you turn on your CPU is super-annoying, so I tell steam to remember my pass and autolog-in when Steam starts, but "oh!" if someone(or I) want to use the laptop (wich also have Steam installed) at the same time Im using the CPU I have to rapidly log of or kill the "Steam.exe" process at the start of the laptop/Cpu.....
Seriously, there are reasons to do not like Steam, there are reasons to like it also....dont be a Steamfag and understand that....

So basically, most of the complaints against Steam I see is that people now suddenly have to abide by the restrictions that the developers of the games intend. That you purchase a copy per computer.

Now, I am personally a man against DRM by principle alone. That DRM is a futile effort to combat pirating and 'lost sales'. It's broken by design. However, and I want to stress this, Steam is perhaps the best form of DRM I am currently aware of. Not only is it non-intrusive (it only requires you to be online upon installation (all statements to the contrary are false)), but also offers you a lot more than just the production of the publishers and developers; a community system, that - while it has its drawbacks - is very useful, an easy distribution across your machines and often pretty good deals on games as well.

Now, I am not going to shout from the rooftops that Steam is the best thing since sliced bread. But I am personally amazed that Steam actually remains as good as it is today, Steam had the chance of developing into some sort of DRM scheme that Ubisoft is now forcing upon its customers, but it hasn't. It even got better over the years.

So I hear you complain about not being able to use games purchased on Steam on more than one computer at once. Well, people, that's the DRM. And that is exactly by design. Are you really too cheap to purchase two copies? I know this isn't the 90s anymore, where we were just throwing floppies around like we wanted to. But this is hardly too much to ask. Games were never a purchase per household, but per person.

Games were never a purchase per household, but per person.

Not to mention that, since we're talking about Worms right now, it doesn't matter if you play this game local or not. You need just one computer.
Unless Team17 won't bother to create an off-online-playable mix for this game... you know what I mean, two PC's and four players, for example.

So I hear you complain about not being able to use games purchased on Steam on more than one computer at once. Well, people, that's the DRM. And that is exactly by design. Are you really too cheap to purchase two copies? I know this isn't the 90s anymore, where we were just throwing floppies around like we wanted to. But this is hardly too much to ask. Games were never a purchase per household, but per person.

The excessive DRM is annoying for the us who buy the game, not just for pirates....look at Spore, for example....they do whatever it takes to prevent piratery in their game, to the point of stupidity (u paid more than 50 dollars for a game u can install 3 times or maybe you are buying the manuals and tyhe box xD).....that DRM forms, in my opinion, makes you think it 2 times before buying a game....its, not the case of Worms, since I really love the game, but Spore (for example) was a game I dindnt buy....
Steam has good DRM forms, nothing to discuss, it checks the Steam database everytime you run a game to verify if thats a original copy or not, right , right....but its not unpenetrable at all....and you dont have to be a pirate to know it, just take a look at youtube and you will know what I mean....
In fact, many ppl managed, somehow, to "hack" the Steam databases and own all games at once, and the worst is that they download their pirated games, and updates from the Steam servers....oh, god thats a really good DRM -.-
Team17 already choose Steam I cant change that now,I know, but dont misunderstand it, its not as friendly and secure as everybody thinks....

Of course no DRM is perfect, but it's a deterrent. Sure pirates will still have a field day with it, but it'll keep the common user from just casually lending and sharing games around PCs, specially with how simple digital distribution is. You gotta have some level of protection, and if Steam manages to do that while avoiding most of the common DRM pitfalls, then it's good enough for me.

So basically, most of the complaints against Steam I see is that people now suddenly have to abide by the restrictions that the developers of the games intend. That you purchase a copy per computer.

Now, I am personally a man against DRM by principle alone. That DRM is a futile effort to combat pirating and 'lost sales'. It's broken by design. However, and I want to stress this, Steam is perhaps the best form of DRM I am currently aware of. Not only is it non-intrusive (it only requires you to be online upon installation (all statements to the contrary are false)), but also offers you a lot more than just the production of the publishers and developers; a community system, that - while it has its drawbacks - is very useful, an easy distribution across your machines and often pretty good deals on games as well.

Now, I am not going to shout from the rooftops that Steam is the best thing since sliced bread. But I am personally amazed that Steam actually remains as good as it is today, Steam had the chance of developing into some sort of DRM scheme that Ubisoft is now forcing upon its customers, but it hasn't. It even got better over the years.

So I hear you complain about not being able to use games purchased on Steam on more than one computer at once. Well, people, that's the DRM. And that is exactly by design. Are you really too cheap to purchase two copies? I know this isn't the 90s anymore, where we were just throwing floppies around like we wanted to. But this is hardly too much to ask. Games were never a purchase per household, but per person.

No one is talking about playing the same game on two different computers. We are talking about the whole game library being locked to a single computer by Steam. example girlfriend plays worms on HTPC and I decide to play MW2 on my main PC.

Well, then you should get it on a seperate account. You can have as many accounts as you want.

Just to add to this...you can use steam offline, you can play local lan offline with multiple computers all using the same account (done this with 4 computers to play tf2 and l4d locally)
So...you could play counter strike with other people in the house with only one copy of the game should you desire. Depending on the game its even feasible that you could play 2 online multiplayer games at the same time provided they don't both use steamworks.

Don't really intend to argue, there were just some innaccuracies I thought I should correct.

I mean personally, I probably would not buy the game if it wasn't on steam, for someone who reformats compulsively its just too much of a hassle to deal with anything more then a copy paste install.

Don't really intend to argue, there were just some innaccuracies I thought I should correct.
Well, if what you're telling is indeed possible, it debunks all those lame Steam nay-sayer arguments in this tread. :D

Well, if what you're telling is indeed possible, it debunks all those lame Steam nay-sayer arguments in this tread. :D

tf2 and l4d examples are true, as ive personally done it
css example is a likely guess as css and tf2 use basically the same server setups
2 online games is a guess based on the fact that some games (primarily indie) don't use steam authentication at all and use their own system, thus you should theoretically be able to play them both at once. I may test this at some point. This point should be viewed mainly as an exception to the rule, you shouldn't expect to be able to do it, but sometimes you can.

So...yeah...

EDIT: For the hell of it, i put one computer in offline mode, launched Plain Sight, put the other in online mode, launched tf2, then joined a server in each. So...point proven <_<

I know about the offline mode. But you are unable to use steam cloud in offline mode and I hate having to mess around with switching one computer to offline and the other to online when needed.

I'm not saying steam sucks I'm just saying that it's a hassle for people who have HTPC and want to keep them a bit streamlined. Either way it seems as if I have no choice in the matter seeing as there are so many steam worshipers out there and companies are Steamworking the hell out of every game they release.

Ended up buying AVP and Alien Breed: Impact anyways both games have Steamwork shoved very deeply within them.... I just wish publishers/developers would give people a choice.

Well said Kreed, if there was a way to put Steam offline without putting the entire computer offline then it would be okay. Maybe you can block Steam with your firewall and trick it into thinking your computer is offline? D:

Well said Kreed, if there was a way to put Steam offline without putting the entire computer offline then it would be okay.

Ahh...forgot about that, yes, it is kinda annoying that you can't start in offline mode unless you have no internet connection, or you login online first. I dealt with it by leaving my laptop in permanent hibernate.
At least they changed it so it no longer boots off the first computer to let the second in...it just tells you someone is already logged in.

Well said Kreed, if there was a way to put Steam offline without putting the entire computer offline then it would be okay. Maybe you can block Steam with your firewall and trick it into thinking your computer is offline? D:

Ahh...forgot about that, yes, it is kinda annoying that you can't start in offline mode unless you have no internet connection, or you login online first. I dealt with it by leaving my laptop in permanent hibernate.
At least they changed it so it no longer boots off the first computer to let the second in...it just tells you someone is already logged in.

Uuuuuh. You know in the menu there's a "Go Offline" option that works remarkably well, right?

You didn't read the "or you login online first" part, right? He acknowleged the feature, but i agree that it's too clunky.

I checked everywhere before, never saw that option. Is it new, MrBunsy? I did do some googling before assuming you had to put your computer offline and all I found was you had to put your computer offline to play steam in offline mode.

You didn't read the "or you login online first" part, right? He acknowleged the feature, but i agree that it's too clunky.
Only once. Then on you can stay in offline mode for as long as you want. No need for messing with firewalls or hibernation or staying disconnected from the internet.


I checked everywhere before, never saw that option. Is it new, MrBunsy? I did do some googling before assuming you had to put your computer offline and all I found was you had to put your computer offline to play steam in offline mode.

Main Steam menu just below 'change user'. Years and years ago you had to turn the internet off to get steam to go offline, but not for about the last 2-3 years.

You know...I only just saw the message: "Your steam account is currently set to offline mode, would you like to go online". Which gives you the option to stay offline or go online as it starts up. Oddly enough i had never restarted an offline steam before <_<
My problem was forcing an online steam to start in offline mode when the laptop was at home, to prevent kicking off the desktop.

But yeah, I can confirm that if you set offline mode it will stay in offline mode regardless of how many times you exit/reload steam
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I love Steam. I'm glad that my favorite game will be available for sale in my favorite system of digital distribution. I hope the Team 17 will start to use the Steamworks too like IO Interactive (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101570-Kane-Lynch-2-Switches-to-Steam).