I reckon that WA is the best game Team17 made that was in 2D! i find it way better then worms world party :D

http://www.nanacide.com/wahelp/info-better.php

Exciting thread!

Its better than wwp for sure.......and it will be a lot better in the future (hopefully)

Both are good, when WWP came out both were almost the same, I loved wormpot. Since W:A has been getting patches however, it has gained many new features. As for online I see more on W:A, but more ropper games and few norm, and, from what I've and played, more normal on WWP, even with less players. As for best ever, I'll decide when there no more Worms games. (hopefuly never.)

There should seriously be a new 2D Worms for PC. I think it would sell well, especially if it was released on Steam at a moderate price.

There should seriously be a new 2D Worms for PC. I think it would sell well, especially if it was released on Steam at a moderate price.
Check out the "Speculation and Discussion" forum for more info ;)

a new 2D Worms
Confirmed.
for PC
Confirmed.
released on Steam
Confirmed.
moderate price
Likely, I guess, since it'll be the same as the XBLA version and games are rather cheap on XBLA.

Oooooooohhh!!!!!!!


But its on Steam - damn!
I hope they will do a disc version as well.

But its on Steam - damn!
I hope they will do a disc version as well.
Highly unlikely.

Leisure Suit Larry is the only retail disk release by T17 in 2009, and that one's published by Codemasters.
All other are distributed digitally via XBLA, PSN and Steam as far as we know.

I agree that WA is the best 2D worms game.
W:OW2 on DS is second, IMHO.
WWP is third best (combining this with WA would make it the ultimate sprite-based Worms game).

I hope W:OW3 is a DSiWare game, just so I can get it for a few quid rather than paying for a Game Card but I also prefer Game Card/CD/DVDs to digital downloads.

Sounds like good news! Except...
Confirmed.
since it'll be the same as the XBLA version

Ah, that makes me worried. See the currently released XBLA version of Worms. The 360 version will probably be dumbed down, which will negatively affect the PC version. I would love to be proven wrong, though. :)

Actually, what I really want is WA 4.0. If a team of developers was hired to work with Deadcode/CyberShadow to get 4.0 released sometime in the next few years, I'd purchase it. Especially if there was new stuff like weapons, missions, etc. Worms Armageddon is already a nearly perfect game, so instead of creating new Worms games with inferior engines they should just build upon WA's engine.

That's what they did with World Party, but the problem with World Party was
1) It had almost no new content (this is the major issue)
2) It was released too soon after Worms Armageddon

Now it's been nearly a decade since WA. People would love to buy something new, if it has good content. And given online distribution services like Steam, the game has a market. I'm tired of friends who won't get WA because it's an "old game." If a new game was released, a game that's actually superior to WA, I think people would love it.

Ok, I had this old method of Comapring things. I called it "The Comparer".
Time to use it again. On W:A, WWP and WXBLA.

W:A
Pros
1. More active.
2. Continually updated.
3. 100+ Game-Types.
4. Incredibly large maps.

Cons
1. Can't compare to Modern Games, eg. Halo 3.
2. Lack of Players in one game.

Final results
No. Pros - No. Cons = 2
Score = 2



WWP

Pros
1. Has access to a Mission Editor.
2. And a WormPot.

Cons
1. Not updated.
2. Virtually abandoned.
3. Very glitchy.

Final results
No. Pros - No. Cons = -1
Score = -1







W:XBLA

Pros
1. On a modern console.
2. Quite large community.

Cons
1. Complete lack of weapons.
2. Cannot create maps for Game-Types in W:A & WWP, eg. Rope Race.
3. Needs Xbox LIVE in order to play.

Final results
No. Pros - No. Cons = -1
Score = -1

FINAL SCORES
W:A = 2 WWP = -1 W:XBLA = -1
VICTOR = W:A
There, I rest my case. Sorry about the long post. If you have any more Pros/Cons, tell me and I will update.

The new worms won't be the same as XBLA. Read the threads.

Likely, I guess, since it'll be the same as the XBLA version and games are rather cheap on XBLA.
What I meant with this, was, that it'll be the same as the new, upcoming XBLA version, not the current, old one.

yeah man, WA can't compare to Halo but WWP does heheahheahaehheahehahe

Shirdel, your maths astounds me... various games apparantly have a total of no positives and a total of negative cons... a negative con (which is a double negative) would actually be a good thing o_O

Ah, that makes me worried. See the currently released XBLA version of Worms. The 360 version will probably be dumbed down, which will negatively affect the PC version.
No.... no. WormsXBLA was a simplistic game because there hadn't been an easy-to-play worms game in several years. Now that they already have the introduction games out of the way, they're able to make the heavy-weapons complex games!

2) It was released too soon after Worms Armageddon
Unless I'm mistaken (no guarantee), it would've actually worked if it was released sooner than it was, before the start of community development on W:A. Because the reason Armageddon is better than World Party is really because of the updates.

Well, most of the really good WA features like PNG maps, replays, etc. didn't come until later. The community content was mostly just maps, which could be imported to World Party anyway.

But the main problem was that World Party barely felt like a new game. It's the equivalent of Madden 08 and Madden 09. Basically, EA releases a couple of crappy updates to the same game every year and calls it a new game. Most people aren't going to get excited by that. On the other hand, look at Street Fighter IV. There was a lot of hype about that game since it's been so long since the last Street Fighter.

So this new PC game...I won't get my hopes up, so I can be pleasantly surprised if it's good. :)

Unless I'm mistaken (no guarantee), it would've actually worked if it was released sooner than it was, before the start of community development on W:A. Because the reason Armageddon is better than World Party is really because of the updates.

I agree. The first worms game I ever purchased was WWP, and although I now have WA as well I still personally prefer WWP. The ONLY reason why WA is better than WWP is because it is still being updated.

What I'm hanging out for is the mythical WA 4.0 with the merger between the two.

I agree. The first worms game I ever purchased was WWP, and although I now have WA as well I still personally prefer WWP. The ONLY reason why WA is better than WWP is because it is still being updated.

What I'm hanging out for is the mythical WA 4.0 with the merger between the two.

Same story here.

Yeah, because you ignore the whole picture and how WA 1.0 was 10 times better than WWP 1.0

No one's saying that.
It's probably because CyberShadow & Deadcode bought W:A, and they couldn't be ar*ed to buy a near exact-replicate of it.

No one's saying that.
It's probably because CyberShadow & Deadcode bought W:A, and they couldn't be ar*ed to buy a near exact-replicate of it.

/facepalm .

Yeah, because you ignore the whole picture and how WA 1.0 was 10 times better than WWP 1.0

Wrong. It is because it was the first worms game I ever owned, and I loved it. One thing that I miss from WWP is worm pot, but sooner or later it will be added to W:A(not counting Rubberworm), and then I will probably forget WWP all together.

Yeah, because you ignore the whole picture and how WA 1.0 was 10 times better than WWP 1.0
Well, I only started playing online in late 2001, when the online rankings was already gone for a while, and the golden days surely have started to decline.
When then WWP came along, it's obvious for people like me that WWP has the bigger appeal with the new features and more offline stuff it brought.

Only a handful of the (active) players had the chance to participate in the online rankings and the early community.

The intro and front-end are better in WWP xD

Well, I only started playing online in late 2001, when the online rankings was already gone for a while, and the golden days surely have started to decline.
When then WWP came along, it's obvious for people like me that WWP has the bigger appeal with the new features and more offline stuff it brought.

Only a handful of the (active) players had the chance to participate in the online rankings and the early community.

This doesn't change the judgement of my statement

Wrong. It is because it was the first worms game I ever owned, and I loved it. One thing that I miss from WWP is worm pot, but sooner or later it will be added to W:A(not counting Rubberworm), and then I will probably forget WWP all together.

Nor does this

W:A was a polished online game with rankings, login accounts, league channels, competitions, an enhanced web, a great community, and real official support.
WWP had Wormpot and a buggy frontend.

You do the maths.

W:A
...

1. Can't compare to Modern Games, eg. Halo 3.

You are a special kind of retarded. You're Special².

You are a special kind of retarded. You're Special².

But the one who Googles an alt code to make a humorous comment is intellectually gifted :P

I already have a number of commonly-used non-standard symbol Alt codes memorized, so I can type things like ©, £ (which unfortunately doesn't appear on the American keyboard), and ™. Oh, and ², obviously. I used to know the tiny 3 as well so I could type "Amiga CD32" properly, but I've long forgotten it.

But that's off-topic.

But that's off-topic.

..And overly defensive xD

it's alt+2 - not that hard actually ;)

..And overly defensive xD
Let it be known that I have never liked people making inaccurate assumptions about me. You should never make assumptions. They make an ass out of u and... and... and mption. Whoever he is.

I've got a shovel if you'd like some help diggin' that hole :P

Don't worry I'm only playing :*

I'll dig my way out!

WA is definitely the best 2D game so far. WOW 2 comes second, WWP 3rd.

Worms 2 Armageddon will probably occupy 2nd place when it comes out.

And Shirdel, don't say stuff if your not so sure it is right, its really not a good idea. "WA is not better than Halo or other modern games" is not a con. It doesn't affect the game in any way, does it?

Besides which, WA is better than Halo.

I also have a bunch of alt-codes memorised as a result of having to correct so many terminology errors such as:

Put a MC in the slot.

Which should be (if I recall correctly):

Please insert the Memory Card (8MB) for PlayStation®2 into MEMORY CARD SLOT 1.

These are the ones I know from head:

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ï çøu£ð wrïtë lïkë thïs åll Ðåý

I know a ****load because I was too lazy to use team editors to get 1337 teamnames back in the day.

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dum di dum...

This thread is going OFF TOPIC! Who really cares about how you can write? Hey, can you write normal? Do you even rember what it was about? cant u fin out wht i sying?

Hey, can you write normal? Do you even rember what it was about? cant u fin out wht i sying?

Ahahaha.

This is a redundant thread anyway. The proof's in the pudding.

Wait... did he just complain about the thread going off-topic, then proceed to continue to derail it in the same line?

Jeez.

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Ahahaha.

This is a redundant thread anyway. The proof's in the pudding.
Why do people keep misusing that expression? It's supposed to be "The proof in the pudding (is in the eating)", and means the only way to see if something turned out well is to test it! It makes no sense the other way!

(Yes, I did just derail the thread even more)

£ët's gët ßåçk tø tøÞïç thëñ.

Why do people keep misusing that expression? It's supposed to be "The proof in the pudding (is in the eating)", and means the only way to see if something turned out well is to test it! It makes no sense the other way!

(Yes, I did just derail the thread even more)

Actually, you're correct but the sentiment of the phrase needn't end so abruptly. By acknowledging that the only way to see whether something turned out well is to test it, you also acknowledge that within whatever you're testing is proof that it turned out well. Therefore, the proof is in the pudding, but the only way you can access that proof is by eating the pudding.

Why do people keep misusing that expression? It's supposed to be "The proof in the pudding (is in the eating)", and means the only way to see if something turned out well is to test it! It makes no sense the other way!
Proof OF the pudding! OF the pudding! 'In the pudding' just doesn't make sense at all!

Actually, you're correct but the sentiment of the phrase needn't end so abruptly. By acknowledging that the only way to see whether something turned out well is to test it, you also acknowledge that within whatever you're testing is proof that it turned out well. Therefore, the proof is in the pudding, but the only way you can access that proof is by eating the pudding.
But that turns it from a well-known proverb into a... rather confusing metaphor.

It's not a similie. It's logical extension.

The proof (that the pudding is good) is in the pudding (and can be accessed by eating it).

The proof (that the pudding is good) is the pudding itself (and can be accessed by looking at it).

How does looking at food let you know that it tastes good? Vader is more correct (or completely correct).

There's a reason they use the term pudding and not crab-s**t... either that, or I am a pudding lover.

The proof (that the pudding is good) is in the pudding (and can be accessed by eating it).
But the proof isn't in the pudding itself, it's in tasting the pudding! Opening a pudding, or taking part of the pudding out, won't do anything at all, only eating will.

Also, an extension of a metaphor is, in nearly all cases, still a metaphor. This isn't an exception.


Although I think we can all agree that "The proof is the pudding itself" is not how the phrase should go. Nor does it involve looking; heck, that's exactly the opposite of what the proverb means!

The chemicals which make a pudding taste like pudding, be that taste good or bad, are within the pudding.

The proof is in the taste of the pudding. The taste of the pudding is in the pudding. Therefore, the proof is in the pudding.

So the truth is a matter of taste.

That was exactly my point.

If I am of the opinion that this pudding tastes good and you are not, we can both be right. It can taste good to one of us and not to the other.

However, in matters of truth, the criterion is not our personal tastes, preferences or desires.

So the whole pudding stuff is bull.

I think you misunderstood.

"Is WA is the best Worms game" is as subjective a question as "does this pudding taste good".

So whilst we can gather a general concensus, much like we could with pudding, the result wouldn't be empirical evidence either way.

This thread serves the purpose of allowing some people to agree or disagree with the question posed. That's a debate which has gone on for longer than most people have been worming and the general concensus is already quite clear. Therefore, this thread's purpose is of little significance to anything.

So, to summarise the above:
This thread's purpose has been nullified by a decade or more of debate. Whether WA is the best game ever is subjective.

Or:

This thread is redundant. The proof's in the pudding.

And on that note, I think I should also make it clear that no opinions are of any significance, ever. Please only post 100% FACTs from now on, such as: Mega Man X is the best game ever.

I'm the reason the Sun is shining.

Mega Man X 3 is the best game ever.

er, hrm cough cough...

alot of ideas lol, last time i been on hear was 1 year and 2 months ago xD

I'm a bit late, but I'd like to speculate that W2:A is a horrible, horrible nu-shadow of W:A, and therefore its PC counterpart must be almost equally dreadful. Apparently it's an improved version, but even if you gave the game the proper physics, hugely expanded the weapons selection and generally revamped (Or salvaged, some might say) the game to the gills, all you would end up with is W:A with a couple of new weapons and some irritating hats. That's not to mention the graphics, which are a matter of taste, which I don't like.

That said, I'm delighted it turned out the way it did. After all, if a new 2d worms game that was actually good came out on PC, W:A's community would surely suffer as players migrated, and Cybershadow and Deadcode's diligent upgrading of W:A would be wasted in a sense.

Also, although I said some venomous things about the game, I'm sure it is good if you've never before played 2d Worms. Which probably puts you in the target audience for the game.

To come to my point, it'd be nice if all the W:A players who stridently ignored my previous warnings about how relatively terrible the game was and ran out to buy it anyway, would suck admit that they just hoped that T17 would turn things around this time.

Not that T17 are incompetant by any means, it's just that they've already made the best ever (IMO) multiplayer game with W:A, which can scarely be improved upon in any way that DC and CS can't manage, eventually.



W:A Cons
1. Can't compare to Modern Games, eg. Halo 3.


You are a special kind of retarded. You're Special².

Thank you, Squirm, thank you.

I would disagree but WA still updated and its more popular :-/

Besides which, WA is better than Halo.

I also have a bunch of alt-codes memorised as a result of having to correct so many terminology errors such as:

Put a MC in the slot.

Which should be (if I recall correctly):

Please insert the Memory Card (8MB) for PlayStation®2 into MEMORY CARD SLOT 1.

Ha! That actually made me laugh, can't fault the line though, can spot the industry man a mile off.

I am absolutely agreed WA is the best worms game

I am glad we are of agreement dragons