What?!? I was all ready and geared up to purchase W4 when I noticed I cant pay with PayPal!!!

Whats up with that, Team 17?!? Thats the only way I can purchase things online! Cant you guys set up a temporary "Pay with PayPal" page just long enough for me to purchase it, that is, if you guys dont want to permanently support the Paypal feature?

C'mon, I wanna do online play!

I assume you're referring to Team17's online store: https://secure.team17.com

Can't you use a parent's or friend's credit/debit card to make the purchase?

I assume you're referring to Team17's online store: https://secure.team17.com

Can't you use a parent's or friend's credit/debit card to make the purchase?


No, I WONT use a credit carrd. Ever. I've seen what happens to people when theyre in debt and I'm not going down that path. EVER.

As for debit, mines expired and I dont have the time in the day to go to the bank for a new one.
Paypal is the only way I can buy things online. I dont understand why team 17 doesnt support it, every other place I've been does.

PayPal do take a sizeable chunk as a handling fee (more than most of the credit/debit card companies, I think), so the T17 shop probably wouldn't get much of their £5.99 for Worms Armageddon.

I've seen very few shops that support PayPal - Amazon don't, for example.


Couldn't you just ask a friend if you could borrow their debit or credit card to make the one-off purchase?

No, I WONT use a credit carrd. Ever. I've seen what happens to people when theyre in debt and I'm not going down that path. EVER.
He did say "parent's or friend's credit/debit card".

Also, when did Team17 start selling Worms4 from their online store?

exactly, but even if paypal does take a sizable chunk, its stilla profit either way, so they should be doing it.

No, because the profit is absolutely minimal compared to what they take by credit and debit card.

If you're looking for a PayPal merchant, buy the game off of eBay.

Team17 see very little of the £5.99 (taking their cheapest game as an example here) that "they get" when a game is sold. Here are all the things I can think of that will reduce £5.99 to probably mere pennies for Team17.


There'll be the credit/debit card handling fee, which is a couple of percent.
Shipping costs (you get free delivery to the UK - elsewhere you have to pay for it)
They have to buy the game from the publishers - they may have made the game themselves but they don't handle reproduction or anything like that. The publisher will want a nice chunk of cash from the sale.
The shop's own overheads must be covered - staffing (selecting and packaging games, etc), server bills, webhosting bills and all that lot.
In the event of an overseas transaction where Pounds Sterling aren't used, Team17 will probably have to change the money into £'s, resulting in a loss due to the commission charged and exchange rates.


Only then is there anything left for a profit - if they're lucky. If PayPal take, say, 5% of the sale, and a credit/debit card company only takes, say 2%, instantly, 18p has been removed from their profits for every transaction. If they only make, say 30p on a game (which is probably more than reasonable for something that costs £5.99), their profit is slashed by almost 2/3. Not good.

No, they will make a profit if paypal is used in conjunction with current payment methods.
So not only do they continue to get revenue from the credit card methods, but paypal is always there for people like me, which equals 1 more customer for them, despite a slightly/moderately less amount of money received from me.

What I'm sayin is that since there is no PP method, they arent seeing ANY of my money. If they did, then I would be a customer and they would see my money.

No, they will make a profit if paypal is used in conjunction with current payment methods.
What? What you pay by PayPal, you pay by PayPal. If you have a PayPal account linked to a bank account or credit/debit card, Team17 wouldn't be paying the processing fees. PayPal pay those. Team17 never see those details. Instead they pay PayPal a processing fee which is usually a lot larger than banks will charge.

No, they will make a profit if paypal is used in conjunction with current payment methods.
So not only do they continue to get revenue from the credit card methods, but paypal is always there for people like me, which equals 1 more customer for them, despite a slightly/moderately less amount of money received from me.

What I'm sayin is that since there is no PP method, they arent seeing ANY of my money. If they did, then I would be a customer and they would see my money.
Thinking about it, Team17's cut from a general sale of a £5.99 game from their store is probably a lot less than I estimated above, and the PayPal fees are most likely a heck of a lot more, resulting in a loss for T17.

I heard someone say once who runs a website where you can donate through PayPal (they were officially a "business", not like most sites that have a 'Donate' button, so PayPal treated them differnetly) - they said you had to donate something like £2 or £3 before they would actually get any money from the donation after covering PayPal's fees. So, if you donated less than £2, the site you were donating to actually had to spend money, rather than receive it.

There is no way T17 will receive £2 or £3 from a £5.99 game.

make a prepaid visa. You wont get in debt with that, because it has a limit (the money u put, at least 40 euros) so u cant buy a 41 euro game if u have 40 euros inside.

Here are all the things I can think of that will reduce £5.99 to probably mere pennies for Team17.

There'll be the credit/debit card handling fee, which is a couple of percent.
Shipping costs (you get free delivery to the UK - elsewhere you have to pay for it)
They have to buy the game from the publishers - they may have made the game themselves but they don't handle reproduction or anything like that. The publisher will want a nice chunk of cash from the sale.
The shop's own overheads must be covered - staffing (selecting and packaging games, etc), server bills, webhosting bills and all that lot.
In the event of an overseas transaction where Pounds Sterling aren't used, Team17 will probably have to change the money into £'s, resulting in a loss due to the commission charged and exchange rates.

You missed one of the most obvious: reproduction costs.

What I'm sayin is that since there is no PP method, they arent seeing ANY of my money. If they did, then I would be a customer and they would see my money.
Oh dear no... a whole 20 - 30 pence... what ever shall they do...

You missed one of the most obvious: reproduction costs.

That's covered under buying the game from the publishers - I doubt very much T17 do "in-house" reproduction for stuff they sell in the shops.