About 3 years, I say. New generations of consoles tend to come about every 5 years or so.

"Generations" are something I've come to realise are a lot of media hype over nothing:

1994: PlayStation
1996: N64
1998: Dreamcast
2000: PS2
2001: Xbox, Gamecube
2005: Xbox 360
2006: Wii, PS3

32-bit: PlayStation, Xbox
64-bit: N64, GameCube
128-bit: Dreamcast, PS2

(I don't know what 360, PS3 and Wii count as, and the above is off the top of my head so may be inaccurate)

Clearly a generation is not defined by the CPU power, nor can it truly be said to be a date-defined attribute, as demonstrated by the proximity of releases prior to and after the 360.

Sony have released a console every 6 years.
Nintendo have released a console every 5 years.
Microsoft have released a console every 4 years.

Whilst each manufacturer retains an internal consistency, the same cannot be said for the industry as a whole, given that a console is pretty much released every 2 years.

Whilst each manufacturer retains an internal consistency, the same cannot be said for the industry as a whole, given that a console is pretty much released every 2 years.
Previously, yes. However, for the last two generations, the major companies have been competing with each other much more strongly and try to release around the same time or earlier as the others, to maximise sales.

My post included the last 3 generations (including the current generation). That's generations 5, 6 and 7.

The last 2 generations (6 and 7) have been barely different to the 5th generation. Here, allow me to go further back:

1983: NES
1985: Master System (I refuse to include the MSII as it's essentially the same machine)
1998: Mega Drive
1990: SNES
1994: PlayStation
1996: N64
1998: Dreamcast
2000: PS2
2001: Xbox, Gamecube
2005: Xbox 360
2006: Wii, PS3

As you can see, the largest gap was between the Master System and the Mega Drive (13 years!), after which a console is released more or less every 2 years. In fact, if you take the mean average (26 years/13 consoles) it's exactly 2 years. Plus I've probably forgotten a console.

..which is why I said that that was the case previously, but not for the last two generations. In the first 8 words of the post you replied to.

In fact, if you take the mean average (26 years/13 consoles) it's exactly 2 years.
That's... not how it works at all.

1998: Mega Drive


I am reasonably certain this is not the case. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Drive)

I am reasonably certain this is not the case. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Drive)
It's obviously just a typo, considering that Vader placed it between 1985 and 1990, and...

Wait-
Oh gods Vader, you actually said there was a 13-year difference?! How on earth did you manage that big a slip?

possibly he copied the info directly. then calculated from that.

possibly he copied the info directly. then calculated from that.

The info says 1988 for Japan. D:

..which is why I said that that was the case previously, but not for the last two generations. In the first 8 words of the post you replied to.

My point is it wasn't the case and never has been - I haven't even included handheld consoles in that and you can see that in no discernible way has there been a 5-year gap between any 'generation' since the "generations" are not really "generations" at all.

Wait-
Oh gods Vader, you actually said there was a 13-year difference?! How on earth did you manage that big a slip?

It was a typo and then a rushed observation/calculation as I was heading out the door to sort out real problems (housing benefit, council tax, etc). Allow me to correct myself, since providing incorrect data won't help anything, ever:

1983: NES
1985: Master System (I refuse to include the MSII as it's essentially the same machine)
1988: Mega Drive
1990: SNES
1994: PlayStation
1996: N64
1998: Dreamcast
2000: PS2
2001: Xbox, Gamecube
2005: Xbox 360
2006: Wii, PS3

So, it goes 2 yrs, 3 yrs, 2 yrs, 4 yrs, 2yrs, 2yrs, 2yrs, 1yrs, 4yrs, 1 yr.

That's... not how it works at all.

My point is that categorising consoles by generation doesn't really work at all, so yes that is how it works in as much as categorising them by release date or power works.

Plasma, you're getting awfully defensive over this. Have you taken your pills today? Maybe daddy could touch you in your special place again to make you feel better?

Goodness sakes, calm down everbody. And lay off Plasma, would you Vader? We're all a community in here.

Basically, it all boils down to this:

We're grouping consoles by "generation". But these "generations" aren't really clearly defined. So it makes sense to some and none to others.

Hey, I was just gabbin' about videogaming in general. I know why people group the consoles in generations, I was just pointing out something I had observed. If Plasma wants to get shirty about it all (and he did as is clear from his tone) then shirty we shall get. I tend not to keep my gloves on for long.

I had a friend called Bader, he was arab, he used to snowboard in sand and smoke all kinds of flavored tobbaco, he got shot back in his country by a bunch of conservatives because how dare he use reason and logic against popular belief.

Thanks for clearing that up, Vader.
Yakuza, I don't see the point in what you've just said.

So, what do you all think of ThatGameCompany's new addition, fl0wer? (It's on PSN by the way).

It's an interesting concept, steering petals by the power of the wind. Game looks beautiful, it really is amazingly pretty. I feel that there isn't much actual gameplay as such though... seems to lack meat as it were.

I think that's in this month's Edge - I read about it and it sounds like there is actually quite a significant gameplay element; you have to gather certain amounts of certain blossom to progress and expand the playing area, or seomthing.

Sonic and the black knight gameplay movie (http://uk.gamespot.com/wii/adventure/sonicandtheblackknight/video/6204332/new-york-comic-con-09-sonic-and-the-black-knight--fairies-gameplay-movie)

So, in sonic's latest attempt to become good, will he pull it off this time? hmmm......

That's... a very uninformative video. I mean, all it shows is that it'll play like Secret Rings only where you can attack from the ground now. Nothing else, really.

I'm still betting it'll get a huge response from people saying it looks awful/awesome/slow/too fast/too clumsy. As well as the customary 'Sonic can't have weapons like the bad guys do' rants.

Yakuza, I don't see the point in what you've just said.



Okay, special people, here is the literal version:

I used sarcasm to parody the people who are questioning the theory that "console generations is an abstract term not supported by launch dates" with no logical argument whatsoever other than, dood magazines use the term it must be correct - ignoring all reasonable counter argument (see: Plasma, robowormer)

See, I'd agree with you there if we were talking about relatively minor consoles. But we're not, we're talking about major consoles. And it's very clearly defined what generations they're from:
If it's from a series, it's the generation after the previous one. Can't argue there, it's the definition of the word.
If it's a new console, then it gets grouped in the generation that matches it's power and release date the most. Which is also as obvious.

I honestly don't know what's hard to understand about that.

Microsoft have released their 2nd generation of consoles, Sony their 3rd, Nintendo their 5th. We're currently in the "7th generation of videogaming".

Do you see how the numbers don't really correlate? That's my observation; the generations are hazy and vague, so much so that I felt it was worth commenting on when your post reminded me of my observation.

I honestly don't know what's hard to understand about that.

That's... a very uninformative video. I mean, all it shows is that it'll play like Secret Rings only where you can attack from the ground now. Nothing else, really.

I'm still betting it'll get a huge response from people saying it looks awful/awesome/slow/too fast/too clumsy. As well as the customary 'Sonic can't have weapons like the bad guys do' rants.

I wouldn't be surprised if the sword ruins the game completely.

Sonic Unleashed would have been great if it was just all day stages. The day stages were great, the night stages were boring.

@ Vader: I think I see your point.
You're saying because these new consoles don't release the next wave in set periods of time, it can't really be considered a generation, as then they would be coming out more regularly, right? Like within 2-3 years or something as a regular.
These new consoles just come out whenever they're perfected, whether that be 2 to 10 years [exaggeration].

: /

here's a wild idea!

everyone shut the hell up about crap none of us care about and let's get back to talking about the actual games.

Poor myopic target demographic. :(

Lost and Damned is awesome. Nothing beats chasing a rival gang in a bike and shooting them down one by one with a shotgun.
Plus they appear to have learned from their mistakes, as there seem to be checkpoints when in a mission so that if you die you don't have to start from the very beginning. :D

Damn you Rockstar!!!! Damn you to hell!!!!!!!!!

Oh and did I mention a MUCH MUCH MUCH OH GOD SO MUCH better control for the bikes?
Remember how just slightly touching anything else while on a bike would land your face to the ground several meters away? Well that doesn't happen anymore. :D

*gloats*

So, kids, what happens when you take a complete DISGRACE of a movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1098327/) and make a videogame out of it? Does it magically, unexpectedly and against all odds turn into at the very least some passable experience of a videogame?

Short answer: NO.

Long Answer: Piccollo has BOOBS... and that's not the worst part... D: (http://kotaku.com/5154940/dragonball-the-movie-the-game-the-trailer)(0:40 second mark)

Wow...
Umm...
Well...


Wow.

BATTLE! CHARACTER! STORY! GALLERY!

Well pardon me if I'm not enthralled.

Long Answer: Piccollo has BOOBS... and that's not the worst part... D: (http://kotaku.com/5154940/dragonball-the-movie-the-game-the-trailer)(0:40 second mark)

He seems quite proud of them, too.

GALLERY!!!!


I must admit I rofl'ed at that, but I still feel like crying on the inside. :(

I know. I have been stroking my Goku gashapons, trying to forget it.

I can't unwatch it.
I can't unwatch it.
I can't unwatch it.
...
I can't unwatch it.

If Worms was on Steam, and had achievements...

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Oh Dear...&b=Allow all your worms to die.&c=3&d=8&e=1010&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

wow. that was the most boring achievement ever made :p

I'd think "kill all of your opponents with a single banana" would be more like what worms would have for achievements.

If Worms was on Steam, and had achievements...
What, an achievement for losing a single match at any point? You don't think you could make it a little harder, could you?

maybe, lose all your worms via plopping?
only use air strike etc. weapons?
pretty much each award at the end of the game should equal an achievement >.>

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=This Town Ain't Big Enough...&b=Kill three enemies in one turn with the Handgun.&c=l&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Handgun.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=No I Am Not Bored, Why Do You Ask?&b=Skim every skimmable weapon in the game.&c=1&d=11&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Skimming2.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=STFU&b=Get muted in an online game 100 times.&c=25&d=100&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Phone.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=2worms1skunk&b=Kill two enemies in one turn with a Skunk.&c=l&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Skunk.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Ol' Faithful&b=Play and win an entire game using only the Bazooka.&c=l&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Artillery.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=This Town Ain't Big Enough...&b=Kill three enemies in one turn with the Handgun.&c=l&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Handgun.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=No I Am Not Bored, Why Do You Ask?&b=Skim every skimmable weapon in the game.&c=1&d=11&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Skimming2.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=STFU&b=Get muted in an online game 100 times.&c=25&d=100&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Phone.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=2worms1skunk&b=Kill two enemies in one turn with a Skunk.&c=l&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Skunk.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Ol' Faithful&b=Play and win an entire game using only the Bazooka.&c=l&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Artillery.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)
Now THOSE are achievements. *thumbs up*

Except for that they're in colour when they shouldn't be.

And that STFU is also a craptacular achievement. Seriously, what kinda company would have "act like an asshole as much as you possibly can" as a requirement?

Except for that they're in colour when they shouldn't be.

And that STFU is also a craptacular achievement. Seriously, what kinda company would have "act like an asshole as much as you possibly can" as a requirement?

They can be in color before unlocking if you want. But Plasma has a point about the being an asshole achievement.

I still remember the "Bad Baby" achievement from Spore: "Get a criature banned". The numbers of dick creatures increased epicly.

I'm pretty sure that was just a mock achievement and wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
I wouldn't have expected plasma to realize that tho. Things like this always fly way above his head.:rolleyes:

Yeah, I know they are supposed to be black and white, but I prefer the way they look in colour. Of course, I could have just made them unlocked, but I did not feel like it. >.> In any case, here are a few more since these are moderately entertaining to make.

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=In A Solid Block Of Ice, No One Can Hear You Scream&b=Kill a frozen enemy.&c=l&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Frozen.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Catch!&b=Detonate a mine by pushing it into an enemy with a Dragonball.&c=l&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/DragonballingMine.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Climactic Epic Final Battle For Great Justice&b=Win a game with a Prod.&c=l&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Prod.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Hugs? ^_^&b=Kill an enemy with a Teleport.&c=l&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/Teleport.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

And since Plasma loved STFU so much...

http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Grudge Match&b=Play 100 online multiplayer games where you deal damage to the same player every turn, quitting when they die.&c=87&d=100&e=http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/GrimOswald/GrudgeMatch.png&f=1 (http://teamfortress2.fr/achievements.php)

So, Sonic and the Black Knight is out. Anyone played it? I've sorta just stopped reading Sonic reviews considering the huge trend of going "This is a Sonic game! I refuse to review it as a stand-alone game!"

It sucks.


Has anyone tried Bit.Trip? It looks kind-of interesting, but I'm unsure.

It sucks.


Has anyone tried Bit.Trip? It looks kind-of interesting, but I'm unsure.
All I've read is that it's very hard and only has three songs.

It does look pretty cool though.

"This is a Sonic game! I refuse to review it as a stand-alone game!"

That's fair. I doubt any of the FIFA/PES games are reviewed as stand-alone games and let's face it, the new Sonic games are all the same. It's a 3D environment, you run, jump and attack, each one introduces a new Sonic redesign who happens to be your enemy, your partner or your playable character, and they all try and extend the reach of the Sonic franchise ever so slightly without breaking the mould.

Utter gash. Sonic Rush was good on DS but that's the only good Sonic game since the Mega Drive.

Talking of Megadrives:
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1;-1&sku=930595

Remake with 15 games built in, can play any region original carts. <3

I saw ones here that play NES, SNES and 64 games. One console, but it's like $120 or something...

I saw ones here that play NES, SNES and 64 games. One console, but it's like $120 or something...
It's called a Wii.


*runs*

So, Sonic and the Black Knight is out. Anyone played it? I've sorta just stopped reading Sonic reviews considering the huge trend of going "This is a Sonic game! I refuse to review it as a stand-alone game!"

Haven't played it, but the reviews have been negative.

All because of a stupid gimmicky addition- the sword.

Talking of Megadrives:
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1;-1&sku=930595

Remake with 15 games built in, can play any region original carts. <3

The MegaDrive fails because it doesn't have Mega Man X.

The MegaDrive fails

AW HELL NAW i

AW HELL NAW

Quoted for Truth, if not grammatical excellence.

I've misspelt something, haven't I?

I just Googled it and it turns out I was right.

Anything which can run Mega Man X is instantly better than the MegaDrive, although I will concede that it wasn't a failure.

Anything which can run Mega Man X is instantly better than the MegaDrive
So... just the SNES and PC then?

No, Plasma. No.

SNES (real deal, ideally on an NTSC machine for a faster game), PS2 (Mega Man X Collection), the GP2X (emulated), the Xbox (emulated), PC (emulated), anything else which can emulate a SNES (probably DS, PSP, PS3, 360, Wii, etc. but certainly not the MegaDrive).

No, Plasma. No.

SNES (real deal, ideally on an NTSC machine for a faster game), PS2 (Mega Man X Collection), the GP2X (emulated), the Xbox (emulated), PC (emulated), anything else which can emulate a SNES (probably DS, PSP, PS3, 360, Wii, etc. but certainly not the MegaDrive).You forgot the GCN. Most of the Megaman X series is available natively for PC anyways.

Haven't played it, but the reviews have been negative.

All because of a stupid gimmicky addition- the sword.I don't know what reviews you've been reading, but the ones I see all criticize the game because it's dull, dull, dull with little interactivity. The sword is trivial.

You forgot the GCN. Most of the Megaman X series is available natively for PC anyways.

I didn't realise MMX was available for PC natively, I'll confess to that. I made my point nonetheless.

Yea MMX was ported to DOS but has various missing/poorly implemented things in it >.> I believe MMX2 and 3 were not ported to PC.

Yea MMX was ported to DOS but has various missing/poorly implemented things in it >.> I believe MMX2 and 3 were not ported to PC.

Then it is surely inferior and shall not be considered Mega Man X.

Similarly, the PS2 collection sucks because the music doesn't loop properly. It fades out and in again at the end and start of the track. However, it's pretty cool not having to use codes to resume your game (your progress is saved to Memory Card).

edit: Huh this post showed up in the wrong thread...

Yea MMX was ported to DOS but has various missing/poorly implemented things in it >.> I believe MMX2 and 3 were not ported to PC.There's Windows ports of MMX3 and MMX4 which seem pretty good to me. (and MMX5, MMX7 and MMX8 but they're Japan-only since Capcom USA has become allergic to th PC :p)

I believe I tried MMX4 on the PC but the joypad support was lackluster and didn't properly let me configure ALL the buttons on my controller :/
I got a Logitech Precision controller which has the same amount of buttons as a PS2 controller but no analog controls.

MMX for PC used Midi for music :/

So apparently Hogs of War 2 is coming out this year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogs_of_War_2

So apparently Hogs of War 2 is coming out this year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogs_of_War_2
The talk page for that is far more interesting.

The talk page for that is far more interesting.I wonder if Paul wrote that. :p

YEAH!!!!!

*squeeeaaal*

I wonder how much better it will be.

Ooh, that's nice.

Think I'll get it on PC this time :p.

Bear in mind that there's been a HoW2 on the cards for at least a year and yet there's very little information on the web about it. For such a small amount of press release, a release date of April 1st seems dubious to me, not only because it'd be April Fool's Day but also because it's in a week's time (although according to this document (http://corporate.infogrames.com/MT-3.34-en/mt-static/FCKeditor/UserFiles/File/CA_Q3_FY07_08EUR_FINAL.pdf) Atari's fiscal year does start in April).

Furthermore, wouldn't there be a 360 or PS3 version? Not according to this article (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/atari-financials-leak-2008-2009-line-up) on Eurogamer.

Then again, I could be reading too much into everything. I can't wait to play it! :)

edit: I just read this post back to myself and it's messy but I think that reflects my excitement.

Where'd you get a release date of April 1st from?

Also, it's not coming out on 360 or PS3. Final.

there's very little information on the web about it.
That there isn't. All the info there is is that one planned lineup. And considering that's three months old and not publicised yet, I'd say there's another one or two months of waiting before it actually comes out.

Furthermore, wouldn't there be a 360 or PS3 version? Not according to this article (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/atari-financials-leak-2008-2009-line-up) on Eurogamer.Maybe they really want a pointer.

http://kotaku.com/5183937/see-nintendo-demonstrate-rock-n-roll-climber

What the ****?

I mean that in the bad way, that is. This doesn't even remotely look like fun, the control scheme seems frustrating as hell and the graphics are a hideous disgrace even for the Wii...

I have to go with this quote:
There is nothing more hilarious than executives demonstrating Wii games up on stage.

I have to go with this quote:

That's until you realize that's the game you'll have to be playing if you want to undust your Wii...

That's until you realize that's the game you'll have to be playing if you want to undust your Wii...

Um... no. There's the recently released MadWorld, there's The Conduit coming presumably before that monstrosity, there's Cavestory hopefully towards the end of april or beginning of may... And there's probably more I forget to mention... so yeah, no.

GTA chinatown wars has recently been released for DS, and reading reviews its excellent, which I never really expected.

And the wii seems to actually be getting more good games now, too. I've recently switched off it myself after getting my X360.

I'm going to see what Cavestory is now. Maybe its actually a wii game i'm excited about, for the first time in ages.

I also forgot Monster Hunter 3, but that one might come out until 2010, and it will possibly have a subscription fee... there's also this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy32jHcK0NQ which looks gorgeous... Sin and Punishment 2... Punch Out also looks fun... Deadly Creatures... Pikmin 3... Red Steel 2 could be good... Ghostbusters... Honestly, that was some unnecessary trolling, Metal Alex.

http://kotaku.com/5183937/see-nintendo-demonstrate-rock-n-roll-climber

What the ****?

I mean that in the bad way, that is. This doesn't even remotely look like fun, the control scheme seems frustrating as hell and the graphics are a hideous disgrace even for the Wii...
That looks positively ridiculous.

Shadowmoon, at least the PC version of Cave Story is epic. I have no clue how much they changed in the wii version.

http://www.miraigamer.net/cavestory/downloads_1.php
Download the deluxe package to check out the free PC version of the game.

Where'd you get a release date of April 1st from?
I got it from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogs_of_War_2
The bit where it says "The game is scheduled for release this fiscal year (ending 2009-04-1)". That means the latest it is planned for release is April 1st 2009.

Also, more topically, the Wii has The House of the Dead: Overkill which is quite simply brilliant. Actually, the Wii has quite a few really good games, IMHO.

Um... no. There's the recently released MadWorld, there's The Conduit coming presumably before that monstrosity, there's Cavestory hopefully towards the end of april or beginning of may... And there's probably more I forget to mention... so yeah, no.

I also forgot Monster Hunter 3, but that one might come out until 2010, and it will possibly have a subscription fee... there's also this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy32jHcK0NQ which looks gorgeous... Sin and Punishment 2... Punch Out also looks fun... Deadly Creatures... Pikmin 3... Red Steel 2 could be good... Ghostbusters... Honestly, that was some unnecessary trolling, Metal Alex.

Actually, I was unaware of all that, and it was simply frustration to see what the guys in Nintendo were doing instead (in my mind). No trolling intended, really. Actually, the only console I have is a Wii.

I regret posting that now... But I'd still like to see masterpieces like LittleBigPlanet D:

EDIT: Looking that video... I love how it looks japanese, but not anime at all (practically). Also looks fast enough for my likings... Might end up getting it, specially after seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfVk02zUNAE&feature=related

Oh, man, how did I miss that post? That looks ****ing sexy - the cornfield in the clip you posted, Alex, (at 00:58) made my heart stop for a moment. This is exactly my sort of game from the looks of it and now I have another reason to find a job. :D

Might end up getting it, specially after seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfVk02zUNAE&feature=relatedmuuuuuch better video. this looks interesting.

In altogether bigger news, there's a new Legend of Zelda game coming out! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65uKGGbOwTg)
Fun times!

The bit where it says "The game is scheduled for release this fiscal year (ending 2009-04-1)". That means the latest it is planned for release is April 1st 2009.
There's quite a difference between "going to be release on" and "latest possible date it can be released on". Especially in that a final date on April 1st is barely as suspicious as a definite date of April 1st.

In altogether bigger news, there's a new Legend of Zelda game coming out! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65uKGGbOwTg)
Fun times!I'll wait to see more than just generic zelda before I get excited. can't say I have any faith in Nintendo at this point...

There's quite a difference between "going to be release on" and "latest possible date it can be released on". Especially in that a final date on April 1st is barely as suspicious as a definite date of April 1st.

Yes, at the time of writing a potential difference of 7 whole days.

I never said it was going to be released on any date. What I said was that a deadline of April 1st seems suspicious. Plus, given the quantity of press releases, it stands to reason that the game would come out in 7 days rather than, say, 4.

What I also said was that it didn't seem that suspicious considering Atari's fiscal year does actually end on April 1st.

In altogether bigger news, there's a new Legend of Zelda game coming out! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65uKGGbOwTg)
Fun times!


I'm excited that it's a new Zelda game and the previous Phantom Hourglass was drop-dead brilliant, but.... in my opinion that video makes the new one look so... dull.

I'm excited that it's a new Zelda game and the previous Phantom Hourglass was drop-dead brilliant, but.... in my opinion that video makes the new one look so... dull.
It... may actually just be the music! I mean, I'd agree that it seems somehow duller, but looking at it, there's no real reason to think that it is. Other than the music they chose for it.

I think the idea of driving a train about is interesting. The boat mechanic in PH was great because you had so much freedom; the train's tracks restrict you to certain routes through the world.

I think some bits do look really cool, though. I'm happy to see the windy boomerang make a return and it appears you can summon and control a phantom, which from what I recall is a Zelda first.

Best of all Zelda is back. Tetra just didn't cut it for me.

My post didn't post :( anyways, land gives you more variety then the ocean. Like you can have rocks, trees, grass, elevations, ditches, walls, fences, buildings, caves etc. etc. where as the ocean you have water water everywhere (so lets all have a drink...)

the most interesting landscapes in WW were the dungeons and the main islands (like the town and the hero's home)

Well, in the ocean in PH you had rocks, plant-fences you could shoot or jump over, obstacles such as whirlwinds, barrels of explosives, walls in the form of island coasts, plus the awesome fishing and salvage mini-games. You also weren't bound to the sea, it was just a means of getting from one place to another, so you still had all the usual land-based features such as rocks, trees, etc.

I know what you're saying though. I just like having the contrast between the two environments.

There is only 1 whirlwind I would consider an obstacle in Wind Waker and that whirl wind disappears after completing a certain task :/ the rest are very minor annoyances that are incredibly easy to avoid and don't really prent you from reaching your location... theres also not much of an abundance of them, mostly you encounter weird flying things on the ocean, battle ships or octopuses :/

I suspect the train journeys will be quite similar. You're not likely to get regular occurrences of tracks coming to a massive, impenetrable wall, are you? And the rest of the journey will mostly be: select route > blow horn to move animals off the track > shoot cannon at enemies. This can be compared quite closely to the boat: select a route > cast off to catch fish in the sea > shoot cannon at enemies.

Anyway, I've not played WW so I can't comment. I was talking about PH and there are a handful of whirlwinds (final island, mini ones in the sea), walls (island coasts, the ice island) and obstacles (barrels, rocks, enemies). Sure they're not hard to overcome but since when are Zelda games about hardcore gaming? I don't expect a whirlwind to take a 35-hit hyper-combo only possible with split-second reactions and focus. I expect an obstacle to require following a pattern, a few hits in a weak spot, the be triggered by an event (such as aquiring a necklace) or to be cirumnavigable.

Zelda games are easy, fun, and beautifully crafted. They are not God of War on the hardest setting.

Phantom Hourglass's 'obstacle course oceans' was inspired by the distinct boringness of Wind Waker's plain, simple oceans. More specifically, how travelling the simple oceans were widely regarded as the most boring thing in all of Wind Waker. It really was just a case of 'choose destination > hold down thumbstick in forward position > wait lots'.

And, by extension, ST's train journeys will likely be a refined version of PH's sailing voyages. I just hope there's enough fun on the tracks; some of PH's finest moments were at sea, in my opinion. I'd be a shame to sacrifice some of that fun to make way for fun with summoned phantoms.

Doesn't PH hold your hand through every puzzle? like doesn't it give the answerd to each puzzle in the same room as each puzzle?

In a handheld console sort of way, I suppose it does. It's really not that far removed from any Zelda game, though, in that you enter a dungeon, you are ill-equipped to complete it, you find a treasure chest with an item in which allows you passage through said dungeon, and then you kill the boss of that dungeon with said item.

Classic Zelda, right?

well, the original zelda, the 2nd zelda, the 3rd zelda, the 4th zelda and the 5th zelda games (excluding handhelds) never provided clues to puzzles or at least, no where near where the puzzle is.

well, the original zelda, the 2nd zelda, the 3rd zelda, the 4th zelda and the 5th zelda games (excluding handhelds) never provided clues to puzzles or at least, no where near where the puzzle is. right, but the trend these days has been to provide the player with as much help as possible. globally, not just nintendo.

and? it's retarded. all the games that where good because of the skillz and ability/smarts required to solve puzzles are now gone, now you just go look at a sign next to the puzzle that practically tells you the answer. Most games these days have puzzles that are aimed at 4 year olds and everyone can solve the puzzles yet they still offer the solution.

and? it's retarded. all the games that where good because of the skillz and ability/smarts required to solve puzzles are now gone, now you just go look at a sign next to the puzzle that practically tells you the answer. Most games these days have puzzles that are aimed at 4 year olds and everyone can solve the puzzles yet they still offer the solution.didn't say I agreed with the practice. hell, I'm playing through ICO on my new PS3 right now just BECAUSE of how hard it is. I was just pointing out that's the trend these days.

I don't have a problem with the current trend. Just because a sign tells you you have to hit an arrow in a particular place doesn't mean it's any easier to do, for example. Furthermore, if a game is fun, then it's good. People derive fun from different things, for some it might be beating Dead or Alive in tag team mode on the hardest setting, or trimming microseconds off a lap time in Gran Turismo. For others it will be following a story and getting lost in the world thereof. Pleasure spans many disciplines!

I think it's good that games are more accessible these days. The user-base is growing and that expansion can only lead to bigger and better things. There is a lower proportion WWII games than it used to and that has to be a good thing... even if the solute is Barney's Wax Crayon Adventure Through Easter Fun Happy and Braaaaiiiiiins Training.

I'm with Vader on this one*, just because games are getting easier doesn't mean they're becoming less fun. I mean, sure, a new Nintendo Hard game now and again is worth picking up, but for regular games I amn't fond at all of getting stuck for long periods on certain parts!


Also, there's been a new WiiMenu update. This time (v4.0) it has the ability to play games and channels straight off the SD Card, meaning you don't have to keep copying games over to the HDD every time you want to play something different. A much needed feature, considering I filled my Wii memory several games ago.


Also also, the DSi is nearly out! The two big features I'm fond of is the SD Card support (which means backing up and downloading savefiles, and for games like Pokemon, modifying them [which means you're able to use pokemon caught in Gen1, 2, and console games if you wrote down the stats]) and the DSi Shop; which at the moment is somewhat empty with the exception of WarioWare: Snapped. I wonder if a Virtual Console for handheld games will be introduced to it...

I've started playing "The Secret Of Monkey Island".
I'm gonna play through all sequels once more and finally complete the fourth one, which I have only played briefly.

Aww, the Golden Age of adventure gaming!

Speaking of adventure gaming, I'm on Episode 4 (I already played 5) of SPCG4AP. I still say they're totally worth it.

That's in between trying to juggle four pokemon games at once (one from each generation, it get rather confusing at times...)

I'm with Vader on this one*

What's the asterisk for?

I've started playing "The Secret Of Monkey Island".

That was the only game I had on my Pocket PC a couple of years ago. I ended up playing it so much I could complete it in a couple of hours.

That's in between trying to juggle four pokemon games at once

I picked up my copy of Ranger the other day for the first time in ages. Obviously it's a spin-off but it's quite neat.

What's the asterisk for?
I... can't remember anymore. I had something in mind, but I forgot about it altogether.

Right guys, dilemma time! I've finally decided that, since I want to get a DSi in the Summer, I've decided it'd be better to buy a 4th Gen Pokemon game now since I can still play it with my mother's DS.
Now Pokemon Platinum doesn't come out for fourty days here. But I'm still playing through Red and Battle Revolution, I'm only about half-way through both of those (and I want to beat PBR normally before using custom teams). Soo....
Is it worth waiting and getting Platinum, or would I be better getting Diamond now, if they're both the same price? And if so (I'd be inclined to say 'yes', as I still have a Red to finish), what about when you consider prices; about how much more (in percentage) would it be worth playing for Platinum?
Or would I be better off altogether with buying both of them?

Hmm... I'd go for... the cheeseburger. Definitely the cheeseburger.

Hmm... I'd go for... the cheeseburger. Definitely the cheeseburger.

Mmmm, cheeseburgers.....

Anyway Plasma, hopefully you can decide from this:

Similar to Diamond and Pearl, you receive one of three starter Pokemon (Chimchar, Turtwig and Piplup) and once again explore the Sinnoh region and capture wild Pokemon. The goal here is to raise your pocket monsters and defeat other trainers in battle. In typical Pokemon sequel fashion, Nintendo slapped a new monster on the box. In this case, it's Giratina, a giant caterpillar/ghost/dragon that makes a grand entrance. Of course, there's 210 Pokemon to start with and the ability to upload ones from Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Leaf Green and Fire Red games. In addition, there are new critters running about, including Cut Rotom, which is a strange lawnmower-like creature.

Platinum also features improved animations (even the trainers move during battles), better graphics and a new winter theme. There's even a new area to explore called Torn World, an upside down environment with gravity-defying effects.

In addition, the game features a Pokemon Emerald-inspired Battle Frontier, a facility that contains different challenges and tournaments. You'll also square off against rival trainers and the Elite Four.

Another cool feature is the ability to save Frontier and Wi-Fi battles via the Battle Recorder, which lets you preserve your greatest victories. Visiting the game's Global Trade Center enables you to access it and check out other people's battles. Since Nintendo categorizes the videos based on popularity, locating the best stuff should be easy.

As expected, Pokemon Platinum has online play, and as expected, there is no random matchmaking for battles. Instead, you must rely on those annoying friend codes. We suppose you could access the Wi-Fi Club to get your fix. It has three minigames that let you pop balloons with Wobbuffet, test your balancing skills with Mime Jr. and feed cherries to a presumably hungry Swalot, but none of these look as addictive as traditional trainer versus trainer combat.


Source: http://www.gamedaily.com/games/pokemon-platinum/ds/game-previews/preview/6848/20629/

Yeah, I saw the changes. Bulbapedia has a more detailed list.

Anyway, I've decided to go for Diamond, after I got help from people at the Awkward Zombie (great webcomic!) forum.
I'm also getting MyPokemonRanch, because I love collecting Pokemon, and this puts the crappy ones to use. Plus, a Mew is a great thing to have and a Phione (breedable Legenday Event pokemon) is great for trading!

Is it worth waiting and getting Platinum, or would I be better getting Diamond now, if they're both the same price? And if so (I'd be inclined to say 'yes', as I still have a Red to finish), what about when you consider prices; about how much more (in percentage) would it be worth playing for Platinum?
Or would I be better off altogether with buying both of them?

My best bet would be to look at what Pokemon are rare to your version only, in Platinum's case these are ONLY catchable in this very version (4th gen):
Tangela (Tangrowth), Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Tropius, Regirock, Regice and Registeel. A bonus is that BOTH Palkia and Dialga are catchable.

These are the ones only in Diamond:
Seel (Dewgong), Scyther (Scizor), Murkrow (Honchkrow), Larvitar (Pupitar and Tyranitar), Poochyena (Mightyena), Aron (Lairon and Aggron), Kecleon, Cranidos (Rampardos), Stunky (Skuntank), legendary is Dialga.

During the wait time, you could indeed get through Pokemon Red :D That's a classic

My best bet would be to look at what Pokemon are rare to your version only, in Platinum's case these are ONLY catchable in this very version (4th gen):
Tangela (Tangrowth), Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Tropius, Regirock, Regice and Registeel. A bonus is that BOTH Palkia and Dialga are catchable.
These are the ones only in Diamond:
Seel (Dewgong), Scyther (Scizor), Murkrow (Honchkrow), Larvitar (Pupitar and Tyranitar), Poochyena (Mightyena), Aron (Lairon and Aggron), Kecleon, Cranidos (Rampardos), Stunky (Skuntank), legendary is Dialga.
During the wait time, you could indeed get through Pokemon Red :D That's a classic
I'm not caring so much about the exclusive Pokemon very much. Or at all, with the exception of Palkia (I already have the legendary birds from the Gamecube game). Anyway, I don't think the three Regis are obtainable without having Regigigas.

Wait, Poochyena isn't in Platinum?


No, it is. I think that Diamond-only list is for pokemon in Diamond/Pearl, not for Platinum too.


Edit: I was talking with Kelsey. Since she's getting Platinum now, she said she'd trade me her extra Palkia. So its all good.

I'm not caring so much about the exclusive Pokemon very much. Or at all, with the exception of Palkia (I already have the legendary birds from the Gamecube game). Anyway, I don't think the three Regis are obtainable without having Regigigas.

Wait, Poochyena isn't in Platinum?


No, it is. I think that Diamond-only list is for pokemon in Diamond/Pearl, not for Platinum too.


Edit: I was talking with Kelsey. Since she's getting Platinum now, she said she'd trade me her extra Palkia. So its all good.

Sorry, the list was a bit outdated it seems :P Poocheyna is indeed catchable in Platinum with the Pokeradar.

*A reason to get Platinum is probably all the extras it got, like upgraded graphics both in the world and the pokemons themselves (and their trainers).
Upgraded online battles (20 people should be able to be in the same room)
Pokemon battles can be recorded somehow. Battle Frontier is represented too.
If training to higher levels is something you want to look at, the Pokemon League should now be harder, on the second run, after winning the first run, the Elite Four's Pokemon will be higher leveled.

In the long run, it is your decision. It's a decent upgraded version you will get, but that will meen you will have to wait for the release.

*Source used: http://www.bisafans.de/games/ds/platin/_neu.shtml

All this pokemon talk has made me seriously consider getting Platinum and a DSi for christmas.

All this pokemon talk has made me seriously consider barfing.

All this cheeseburger talk has made me seriously consider getting one.

Anyway, I've decided to go for Diamond.


I utterly disagree. Mostly because I hate the 150 pokemon in the Sinnoh regional pokedex. I like the extended regional pokedex in Platinum because it has pretty much every pokemon in it that i've ever liked so I don't need to earn a national dex to get a good team up and running for PBR.

Well in any case, I got Pokemon Pearl. Being under half the price that Platinum would be is a big push too.

Incidentally, if anyone has Action Replay, I really need their help with something!



Edit: oh, here's some news: Pokemon USA and Pokemon Europe have merged together to form one company, Pokemon International!

Finally got around to finishing Lost Odyssey. Total play time of 97 hours 42 minutes. :p
I completed almost everything there was to complete, probably just missing a couple of treasure boxes, and the DLC which I'll get sometime later. I did all of it before fighting the end boss, so by the time I got around to beating him, my party was already way too powerful. I didn't even take any damage during the fight. :p

Wow, that's a long time.

I've only got about 52 hours under my belt in Disgaea PSP, though I had about 70+ on PS2 before I stopped playing. I've still never completed it and there's virtually no point in trying to get 100% of everything since the level cap is something like 9,999 :P

Mind you, by the time I finish it on PSP I may well have >100 hours. Best. Game. Ever.

Also: sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/warner-confirms-lego-rock-band)

The bonus system from transmogrifies in Disgaea is based on 2 things:
1- the amount of levels 'stored' on that character
2- the stats of that character before he transmogrifies (without eq)

The stats unlock 'yellow bars', which increase the base stats permanently (and thus the increase per level too).
The stored levels unlock more bonus points, that you can add over the yellow bars for even more stats (and increase per level).

Yellow bar bonuses are capped at 40 for genius transmogrifies.
You need around 1.2M HP to get 40 YBB in HP, and ~300K to get 40YBB in other stats [that means around 70 for the base stats].

For bonus points, you need 185,000 stored levels to get the max of 200. To gather these the most efficient method is to transmogrify around ~800 and repeat (the late levels take too much exp to be worth it). And yes, it's not linear. You get 50 BP at 12K levels stored, 100 BP at 37K, and so on.
It takes about 20 hours to get all 185K levels on a unit tweaked for max efficiency: i.e. any unit that can target the 3x3 square formation in CoO3.
You can also try BoE, trickier and you need to be strong to pull it at low levels.

Transmogrifying into genius gives 10 more BPs.

Maxes are 40YBB per stat plus 210 BPs. Have fun. ^^
If you were gonna go for max character stats, here's a starting point lol.


I've been playing Zelda: Twilight Princess, over 60 hours spent on it so far, most of which was playing the computer or watching normal TV instead >_< I'm up to Twilight Palace?

I liked Twilight Princess but disliked the fact that they reused a lot of things from OOT. I was looking forward for some awesome new music only to find out they reused most of it. :(

The music is still pretty awesome, I would have liked to see what they could come up with for a gerudo valley remake but alas that place isn't in the game afaik :/

I am up to Hyrule Castle now and so far the games atmosphere has been excellent, not too many things to complain about and overall an enjoyable experience.

I liked Twilight Princess but disliked the fact that they reused a lot of things from OOT. I was looking forward for some awesome new music only to find out they reused most of it. :(twilight princess has by far the best gameplay, but the story and overall ambiance of the game just isn't there. OoT pegged those 2 things perfectly, so TP will never stack up...

I really wish they'd do something with a LotR-esque story that spans multiple games. even if it's something simple like each game takes place as a different incarnation of link at a different time, I just wish they'd stick to one world and overall back story...

Tp has awesome ambience, it just lacks side quests :/ (cave of ordeals, golden bugs and poe souls are the only side quests I know of (aside from the malo mart one)

Tp has awesome ambience, it just lacks side quests :/ (cave of ordeals, golden bugs and poe souls are the only side quests I know of (aside from the malo mart one)side quests don't effect the main story. Ocarina of Time I walked away from in awe. TP I just walked away satisfied. TP's music, writing, directing, etc just weren't quite up as high as they could've been, to me. side quests of both games notwithstanding.

It has been ages since I last played OoT, I recently downloaded it for my Wii but don't have an appropriate TV that can properly handle a video source that operates at a low FPS. N64 games usually don't run at a consistent 25 or 30 FPS (PAL/NTSC) which is what new TVs work best with.

Is there a VGA adapter for the Wii? I could try hooking it up to my CRT monitor lol.

If you were gonna go for max character stats, here's a starting point lol.


I've been playing Zelda: Twilight Princess, over 60 hours spent on it so far, most of which was playing the computer or watching normal TV instead >_< I'm up to Twilight Palace?

I tend to transmigrate as soon as the next higher class becomes available. I think you need to get certain classes up to certain levels to unlock new classes (I unlocked Ronin last night) but I'm not sure whether I want to look up the specifics just yet as I can do all that sort of thing on the second playthrough.

As for Zelda, I finished the big bug boss guy and am between that and the Zora Temple, I think. It's ages since I played it, though. I think I preferred Phantom Hourglass but don't quote me on that.

Yesterday I bought Flower. It's a lovely game but I can see it being a bit shorter than I'd hoped. Still, it's good fun just swooshing about in the grass and no other game has made me feel so much like I'm controlling a long dragon made of petals. It's great stuff. :)

I tend to transmigrate as soon as the next higher class becomes available. I think you need to get certain classes up to certain levels to unlock new classes (I unlocked Ronin last night) but I'm not sure whether I want to look up the specifics just yet as I can do all that sort of thing on the second playthrough.
Gamefaqs message board has a excellent FAQ sticky for that game.

Well, should I be so inclined on my second playthrough I'll be sure to check that out! :)

Well, should I be so inclined on my second playthrough I'll be sure to check that out! :)it's disgaea. you don't play through more than once, you just continuously play the first time :p

Personally, I preferred Twilight Princess over Ocarina Of Time. The story certainly wasn't as good, but the gameplay was better and I felt more... for a lack of a better word, involved than I did in OoT.
Plus, it had more replay value.

it's disgaea. you don't play through more than once, you just continuously play the first time :p

I was under the impression that once you finish the last chapter you can start from the first chapter again with your full character roster intact.

Plus there's Etna mode :cool:

I was under the impression that once you finish the last chapter you can start from the first chapter again with your full character roster intact.

Plus there's Etna mode :cool:that's what I meant. the story repeats itsself a few times over by my understanding as well.

you restart and all characters stats/equipment are intact, you just gotta unlock them through the story again (which you can repeat as often as you want). Etna mode is only for the DS :/

I'm currently playing GTA:CW. It's a fantastic game so far. Also, since I finally finished Lost Odyssey I think I should finally play trough Fallout 3, since I never managed to get into that game. Assassin's Creed is also sitting on the shelve, but having played the first couple of missions I really couldn't get into it. It's just so... boring I guess. Maybe I'll just trade it for something else.

Assassin's Creed is also sitting on the shelf, but having played the first couple of missions I really couldn't get into it. It's just so... boring, I guess.
Agreed. At first it looks sorta nifty, but it gets very repetitive very quickly.

Agreed. At first it looks sorta nifty, but it gets very repetitive very quickly.if you take it slowly it's pretty good. I would play a level or so then go play something else for a while and I rather enjoyed the game as a whole.

then again, perhaps it's just because I like the style of combat in the game, it suits me well :cool:

Agreed. At first it looks sorta nifty, but it gets very repetitive very quickly.I agree, maybe it's just the first missions that are easier, but they all seemed to consist of just reaching your target, killing it and running away, regardless of all the tips and tactics you got in the way. I did like being able to run through buildings in the city like a mad Prince of Persia. :p

Also the game kept buggering up and not liking my system at all. :mad:

Etna mode is only for the DS :/

That's where you're wrong.
http://playstation.joystiq.com/2007/09/29/disgaeas-etna-mode-revealed/

I think the only feature unique to the DS is the Prinny commentary. Apart from the abhorrent use of the top screen, of course.

I agree, maybe it's just the first missions that are easier, but they all seemed to consist of just reaching your target, killing it and running away, regardless of all the tips and tactics you got in the way.I played through to the end and they really are all just exactly the same. you got a bunch of arbitrary information through random crappy minigames and then actually killed the guy (which was usually pretty interesting)

Any wii ware titles anyone would reccomend? getting wii points card soon.

That's where you're wrong.
http://playstation.joystiq.com/2007/...mode-revealed/ (http://playstation.joystiq.com/2007/09/29/disgaeas-etna-mode-revealed/)
Ah, I meant handheld exclusive. I didn't know it was also on psp.

Any wii ware titles anyone would reccomend? getting wii points card soon.if you haven't played it yet, world of goo is pretty awesome. Lost Winds is fairly cool, but without the rest of the game it seems a waste to me (and yes, I've played it and still think that way).

haven't been keeping up with the wiiware, so those are the only ones i know.

@Shadowmoon
cheaper to buy Wii points online... 1,000 points online for 15$ AUD or a 17.95$ "card" at EBGames.

Any wii ware titles anyone would reccomend? getting wii points card soon.


Ooops, I was supposed to write virtual console titles, not wii ware titles.

I really enjoyed Lost Winds.

Wouldn't mind a full 30-hour version, though!

Ah, I meant handheld exclusive. I didn't know it was also on psp.

I play it on PSP. I prefer it to the PS2 version as it does everything the PS2 version did, plus it's widescreen and has multiplayer. And it fits in my pocket. I've got a pocket full of kryptonite Darkness. Mmmmmm.

Ooops, I was supposed to write virtual console titles, not wii ware titles.VC? well that depends on what you haven't played.

Super Mario World
Super Metroid
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past

are obviously the stand outs on this one, so if you've missed any of the 3, go play them. NOW! :mad:

aside from that, we don't know what you haven't played already :p

VC? well that depends on what you haven't played.

Super Mario World
Super Metroid
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past

are obviously the stand outs on this one, so if you've missed any of the 3, go play them. NOW! :mad:

aside from that, we don't know what you haven't played already :pAlthough it depends on what you're good at and what you think you'll enjoy. For example, the VC game I've played the most is probably Columns precisely because of this :p. I played SMW a little bit then broke down when it started to throw gratuitous bottomless pits at me round about the third stage.

Then again, I also got Mega Man 1 and 2, so in some ways I'm just a glutton for punishment. Although at least I've managed to beat a grand total of five robot masters over both games.

VC? well that depends on what you haven't played.

Super Mario World
Super Metroid
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past

are obviously the stand outs on this one, so if you've missed any of the 3, go play them. NOW! :mad:

aside from that, we don't know what you haven't played already :p

Donkey Kong Country 2 is one of the best out there, too.

Then again, I also got Mega Man 1 and 2, so in some ways I'm just a glutton for punishment. Although at least I've managed to beat a grand total of five robot masters over both games.those aren't video games, they're virtual torture devices.

I actually bought the MM anniversary collection for GC to play on my wii a number of months back. I played through MM1 and actually game-overed on the FIRST SCREEN of cut man's level.....I then cried to myself and switched to MM2. I then played through most of the bosses on most of the other games.

Donkey Kong Country 2 is one of the best out there, too.RIGHT! donkey kong country should definitely be on the list as well. i forgot about them as I wasn't all that huge a fan of them, myself. I enjoyed them well enough, just wasn't quite my thing.

those aren't video games, they're virtual torture devices.

I actually bought the MM anniversary collection for GC to play on my wii a number of months back. I played through MM1 and actually game-overed on the FIRST SCREEN of cut man's level.....I then cried to myself and switched to MM2. I then played through most of the bosses on most of the other games.

I did manage - after much cursing - to beat Cut Man, Bomb Man and Elec Man. It's just that all the other stages either seem a bit too full of moving platforms over bottomless pits (Guts and Ice) or I don't have the robot master's weakness (Fire). Even having the Magnet Beam isn't helping much.

In MM2, I've beaten Flash Man and Metal Man. But again, the suggested robot masters to visit next have all sorts of annoying things: Quick Man's lasers, and Bubble Man's spikes.

What I'd love to see though is Super Famicom Wars in the next Hanabi Festival buuuut it doesn't look like it.

Wheeeeeeeeeee!
http://mypsn.eu.playstation.com/psn/profile/StefanZombie.png (http://eu.playstation.com/psn/profile/StefanZombie/)

I'm picking my copy of LBP up tomorrow morning (it's at the delivery office at the minute). Additonal wheeeeeeeeeee!

I'd recommend just about all of the main series Mario games; Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, and Majora's Mask; Super Metroid (which I still have to get myself, actually); Donkey Kong Country and its sequel; Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG; R-Type for the nostalga element; Golden Axe for the other nostalga element... and that's all I can think of at the moment.
For WiiWare, I still recommend the StrongBadsCoolGame4AttractivePeople series, although you're better off getting them on PC if you can. I preferred the later ones to the earlier ones. And if you're as much a Pokemaniac as I am, get MyPokemonRanch.

Then again, I also got Mega Man 1 and 2, so in some ways I'm just a glutton for punishment.
I love the way you skipped over the fact that you then got MegaMan9. You really aren't good at learning lessons.

Speaking of which, I... don't really recommend MegaMan9 to anyone who both actually use the VirtualConsole and haven't played the first few games to death. The whole nostalga element is rather lost if you still do play old games.

That's not true. I play old games on the VC and yet I loved Megaman 9.

In any case, I do recommend Megaman 9 from Wiiware. Also Cavestory is apparently on the final stages so there is a good chance it will come out in the next couple of weeks. (On that note, there is an interview to Pixel coming to the Nintendo Channel soon too!)

I love the way you skipped over the fact that you then got MegaMan9. You really aren't good at learning lessons.

Well, I thought I might be able to beat at least one level...

Also, the nice thing about Mega Man games is the whole open-endedness thing. Instead of being stuck in just one place, I'm stuck in eight different places at once!

Donkey Kong 1 & 2 are da bomb when it comes to SNES games both in terms of gameplay and music/ambience :) For the NES the best game would be The Guardian Legend but that isn't on the Wii VC :(

Donkey Kong 1 & 2 are da bomb when it comes to SNES games both in terms of gameplay and music/ambience :) For the NES the best game would be The Guardian Legend but that isn't on the Wii VC :(
River City Ransom was also awesome, as far as I remember.

True, probably the best Double Dragon style game.

No way! Beats of Rage is the best, mostly due to its skinability.

The VC titles I have are the first 3 Sonic the hedgehogs, and Super Mario Bros 2 and 3.

I'm getting Super Metroid (I loved Metroid Fusion and I had no idea Super Metroid was on VC) and Super Mario World, and Donkey Kong Country 2.

I may even try and get a zelda game if I can, what would be the best zelda game to start with?

the SNES one.

I may even try and get a zelda game if I can, what would be the best zelda game to start with?Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past = arguably the best zelda EVER.

Link to the Past would be the best one to start with, but I still say Ocarina of Time is the better game.

Link to the Past would be the best one to start with, but I still say Ocarina of Time is the better game.

If you haven't already, Shadowmoon, then I also recommend that you play Zelda: Twilight Princess, but play it after you've played Ocarina of Time.

I got LittleBigPlanet for under a tenner. I'm really tempted to start making levels but I've only completed a few of the Story Mode levels.

Those of you who have LBP already, is it worth finishing Story Mode before making my own levels? I can see myself falling into the trap of never finishing Story Mode if I don't do that first...

Link to the Past would be the best one to start with, but I still say Ocarina of Time is the better game.yeah. I honestly don't know which I prefer. :p

I got LittleBigPlanet for under a tenner. I'm really tempted to start making levels but I've only completed a few of the Story Mode levels.

Those of you who have LBP already, is it worth finishing Story Mode before making my own levels? I can see myself falling into the trap of never finishing Story Mode if I don't do that first...

Well personally I never got into making levels, but still I'd say the story doesnt really get any more involved so just dip into it when you fancy and go for the level editing. Only real benefit to the story mode is that it gives you lots of items to work with in the editor (I think?)

I got LittleBigPlanet for under a tenner. I'm really tempted to start making levels but I've only completed a few of the Story Mode levels.

Those of you who have LBP already, is it worth finishing Story Mode before making my own levels? I can see myself falling into the trap of never finishing Story Mode if I don't do that first...

It's worth it; you'll have far more assets and materials to work with if you do story mode first. Pretty much all the music tracks are found in Story mode as well, so your level would be bland and soundless if you didn't. :(

Cool. I did some level editing yesterday mainly to see how things worked (I've dabbled on it before but not so extensively) and I have to say, doing so makes the homemade levels even more impressive. I'm not sure I can compete...

I'm a bit miffed that you have to buy DLC to get some of the trophies, though. Why should those trophies even appear unless you have the DLC? It's a bit evil, if you ask me.

Oh, and how the hell do people score tens of millions in a single Story Mode level? Am I misunderstanding the UI or something? It seems when I play a level it shows me the top scoring player (their scores seems to circle yours in the top left of the screen). I can't see how it's possible without cheating.

I'm a bit miffed that you have to buy DLC to get some of the trophies, though. Why should those trophies even appear unless you have the DLC? It's a bit evil, if you ask me.
You're looking at it the wrong way: they didn't refraim from adding trophies so they could put it in DLC, they just only decided to add trophies after the game was published.
Unless you mean why they left it until DLC instead of including in a patch. Unfortunately, not all companies are like Valve, or in a smaller sense Maxis.

I mean that if I don't have the DLC then those trophies shouldn't show up.

Hooray for Pod decorations! :D

I mean that if I don't have the DLC then those trophies shouldn't show up.
Oh right, yeah. That's... thats fairly greedy. Stereotypical Sony greedy.

Or stereotypical EA greedy, for what its worth.


Ah heck, just think of any large company and its always portrayed as really greedy. Except for valve.

So anyway, I tried out the World Of Goo demo, which I should've done ages ago. Man, things changed! I mean from the original Tower Of Goo that I used to play now and again when it was first made.
And yet, very ironically, the only level I had trouble with was Tower of Goo. Geez!
So yeah, I'm definitely gonna get it!



At least, thats what I would be saying if I had any money. Poo.


Also, I've been playing a lot of TF2 and L4D in this short break between exams. Feel free to drop a message if you want a game.

So anyway, I tried out the World Of Goo demo, which I should've done ages ago. Man, things changed! I mean from the original Tower Of Goo that I used to play now and again when it was first made.
And yet, very ironically, the only level I had trouble with was Tower of Goo. Geez!
So yeah, I'm definitely gonna get it!Yeah towers are tricky at first, I found the best way is to build a wide support first, like a pyramid. There's certainly enough goo balls.

Ugh... why is Fallout* so glitchy? Started playing the game the other day, and shortly into the game I got stuck in front of a chair for some reason... and after a while of trying different things to unstuck, I managed to get unstuck. Then I leave the vault, and I get that annoying huge-black-stuff-all-over-the-sky glitch. :(



* 360 version.

My copy (PC) crashes whenever I quit. It's... very ironic.

Just got into Tribes 2.
Addicted.

Just got into Tribes 2.
Addicted. www.instantaction.com

check out Fallen Empire: Legions.

and if you DO check it out, let me know. I want to DESTROY YOU! :mad:

Just got into Tribes 2.
Addicted.
I always found the multiplayer of the Tribes games to be ridiculously hard to play properly!

That's because you were doing it wrong!
:P

It's difficult to get into the swing of things, but once you get going, it becomes much easier.

That's because you were doing it wrong!
:P

It's difficult to get into the swing of things, but once you get going, it becomes much easier.You could apply that to anything. :p

Except perhaps skydiving. You only really get one try.

I always found the multiplayer of the Tribes games to be ridiculously hard to play properly!it's really not too bad assuming you can find a place where you don't get wtf***ed instantly upon spawning. if you can find a server of new players or relatively new players you can generally stand a decent chance. you just have to avoid the clan-level players who hit you out of the sky at full speed from off screen with a spinfusor....

this is another reason I advocate Fallen Empire: Legions. it's a free browser game, so it's got quite the large community of people who know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the tribes games and who, therefore, can't play to save their lives. assuming you're intelligent enough to bother learning the controls you'll already have an advantage against at least a couple people per server :p

edit: DAMN IT ANDREW! :mad:

...


Fine, I'll start playing Fallen Empire! I've been in a real indy-games mood recently.


Edit: oh, apparently I already signed up from your last persistant postings. Just never got around to playing.

persistant postings2 posts is persistent?

and before that it was only a single post :p so 3 posts in total.

I would just like to remind everyone:

Plants vs. Zombies was released today.

that is all.

I would just like to remind everyone:

Plants vs. Zombies was released today.

that is all.

I can't believe I like a game that is being discussed in this thread.

Anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ

As often as that video gets linked, I still don't enjoy it.

I am still of the opinion that speed-heavy, jetpack-induced first-person-shooters are NOT easy to play multiplayer on.

I can't believe I like a game that is being discussed in this thread.

Anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ

Where've you been? I missed you.

I am still of the opinion that speed-heavy, jetpack-induced first-person-shooters are NOT easy to play multiplayer on.EASY!? oh dear god no.

you should contact me next time you're playing :D

Where've you been? I missed you.

I went looking for you but got lost in a sea of noobs

I would just like to remind everyone:

Plants vs. Zombies was released today.

that is all.
Tried the demo. Wasn't appealed.

I went looking for you but got lost in a sea of noobs

Ah. Well it's easy to float in something more dense.

Ah. Well it's easy to float in something more dense.

I think I'm falling in love

It's great seeing Vader post. It's much better than anything on TV in the last 5 years.

There is absolutely no sarcasm in this post whatsoever. I MEAN IT! I am not being sarcastic! Just thought I'd make that clear.

It's great seeing Vader post. It's much better than anything on TV in the last 5 years.

And certainly more frequent, these days.

edit: Did you mean me, by the way, or yakuza? I just realised how irrelevant your post seems, unless I'm missing the point... which is possible.

Plants vs. Zombies has been jolly good fun so far.

And certainly more frequent, these days.

edit: Did you mean me, by the way, or yakuza? I just realised how irrelevant your post seems, unless I'm missing the point... which is possible.

No, no. Your posts definitely.

3D Realms died :( R.I.P

No surprise there! They stopped making good games since... some very long time ago.

I am aware they haven't made games for like, 12 years now? they put all there cash into DNF (or they stockpiled the cash and the higher ups payed themselves exorbitant salaries)

DNF - DNF

Duke Nukem Forever - Did Not Finish.

DNF - DNF

Duke Nukem Forever - Did Not Finish.
Naah, I'm sure they'll sell the IP and work onto some other company, and they'll finish it.



And by 'finish', I mean 'go bust several years later and pass it onto another company'.

3D Realms "Situation" Won't Affect Duke Nukem Trilogy, Apogee (http://kotaku.com/5243324/3d-realms-situation-wont-affect-duke-nukem-trilogy-apogee)

so it's pretty safe to say that DNF has other options of places to be made.

In other news, I've been playing Worms4 frequently again. I forgot how fun it was! Umm... again!
What I completely forgot about was how good the music was! Still not as good as Worms Forts, but great nontheless.


Also, I finally decided that its time to get W3D; at least, if they still have it in the shops here. I didn't before because I waas still playing W4 and knew I wouldn't really want to play. And I have a terrible habit that if I don't play a game enough when I get it, I end up not playing it at all.

I only ever played the Worms 4 demo. It was significantly more fun than W3D, in my opinion.

I doubt my PC would run either, though. :(

I only ever played the Worms 4 demo. It was significantly more fun than W3D, in my opinion.
Just about everyone says that. I just want W3D for:
1: the singleplayer missions
2: the variety
3: the maps
4: as a collection game

I doubt my PC would run either, though. :(
Your PC is worse than a PS2?

Your PC is worse than a PS2?

It's bigger, louder, smellier, uglier and slower.

My PC has a GeForce2. It might work, I guess. Not that I'll be finding out any time soon.

In light of the fact that I am switching internet providers I have been downloading a load of PS3 demos to fill the gap the Internet usually occupies.

So far I have got Skate, Everybody's Golf, the new Wolverine game thing, um... a couple of others... I also borrowed Drake's Fortune off a friend so I'll be playing through that a bit.

Which demos do you, the worming public, recommend I download?

Wow. 5 months ago I liked 3D, now I really don't like it all.

It must be the repetitive playing of WA/WWP.

Which demos do you, the worming public, recommend I download?

Supersonic Acrobatic Rocket-Powered Battle Cars.
You'll be playing it for days. You get 1 and a half free hours of online play, and most of the minigames for an unlimited amount of time. Really good demo.

And there's also lemmings, which is presumably good.

It's bigger, louder, smellier, uglier and slower.

My PC has a GeForce2. It might work, I guess. Not that I'll be finding out any time soon.

In light of the fact that I am switching internet providers I have been downloading a load of PS3 demos to fill the gap the Internet usually occupies.

So far I have got Skate, Everybody's Golf, the new Wolverine game thing, um... a couple of others... I also borrowed Drake's Fortune off a friend so I'll be playing through that a bit.

Which demos do you, the worming public, recommend I download?
I just got the new Wolverine game for my 360. It's not the best game ever but damnit isn't it awesome anyway. :cool:

You should try the Ratchet and Clank demo. And the Killzone 2 demo. PixelJunk Eden might be worth a try too. There's also Motorstorm, Mirror's Edge, FEAR 2... The inFamous demo comes out on may 21st... oh, Marvel vs Capcom 2 demo is out apparently...

Those are the demos I would be downloading had I a PS3... :p

Except for FEAR 2 and Mirror's Edge.... I already tried them on the 360. I probably won't buy FEAR 2, but I want to get Mirror's Edge at some point. Maybe when I'm done with Wolverine.

Supersonic Acrobatic Rocket-Powered Battle Cars.
You'll be playing it for days. You get 1 and a half free hours of online play, and most of the minigames for an unlimited amount of time. Really good demo.

Awesome with mates


**** otherwise

So in other other news, Pokemon Gold and Silver remakes have now been confirmed (HeartGold and SoulSilver)! Awesomesauce is at hand!
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/05/20090507-00000019-oric-ent-view-000.jpg

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nintendo_confirms_Generation_II_remakes

Bloody Hell.

Pokemon fans, bring on the confetti!

So in other other news, Pokemon Gold and Silver remakes have now been confirmed (HeartGold and SoulSilver)! Awesomesauce is at hand!
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/05/20090507-00000019-oric-ent-view-000.jpg

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nintendo_confirms_Generation_II_remakes

You see, that's something I might grab, just for the memories.

But...why?

Why remake them?

Incidentally, nice avatar Shadowmoon. :cool:

But...why?

Why remake them?
Several reasons.



If you want a reason that isn't "updating is good and you sound like a crotchety old man for rejecting it", then one reason is that a lot of the original cartridges have already ran out of internal battery, thanks to the always-active clock, and those batteries can't be replaced, making them unable to save.

But...why?

Why remake them?

Incidentally, nice avatar Shadowmoon. :cool:

I'm all against milking stuff, but I have to admit that the red/blue remake was well done.

Hopefully, this one will be, too...

ALSO, Original Rayman... I love it. I hope they stop making rabbid games, and get back to Rayman himself :p

You should try the Ratchet and Clank demo. And the Killzone 2 demo. PixelJunk Eden might be worth a try too. There's also Motorstorm, Mirror's Edge, FEAR 2... The inFamous demo comes out on may 21st... oh, Marvel vs Capcom 2 demo is out apparently...

I might be tempted by Killzone 2, actually. Not my sort of game but I reckon it could kill an hour or two. I already got Mirror's Edge but I'm yet to try it. I have to say I was impressed with the Skate demo and it makes me want Skate 2 a lot but I also really enjoyed the Tony Hawk's Proving Ground demo because I always loved the THPS games.

I also downloaded Valkyria Chronicles demo... it looks like the sort of thing I'd enjoy and it also looks like it's done in coloured pencils. Hot.

I love the early Rayman Games.

Rayman 1 and 2 are my faves. Still got my copy of Rayman Gold here somewhere.

Another rabbid game is coming soon, called Rabbids go home, coming fall 2009 for the wii. Thankfully, its not one of those party games. But I still want rayman back :(

I love Rayman 1 and 2, but personally 3 is my favourite.

Supersonic Acrobatic Rocket-Powered Battle Cars.
You'll be playing it for days. You get 1 and a half free hours of online play, and most of the minigames for an unlimited amount of time. Really good demo.

Is it just football with cars?

Rollcage Stage II did a better job of this. A much better job. They should release that in the PlayStation Store. Or better yet, make Rollcage Stage III... Not http://www.gorcx.net/images/rcx_logo_support.gif (http://www.gorcx.net/), but a proper Rollcage Stage III made by Psygnosis.

So I've completed every mini game, puzzle and whatever in Plants vs Zombies, got the golden cup, full grown tree, full Zen Garden, all the upgrades and managed flags 44 in Survival (it's basically impossible to go further)

Bragging on the internet

Now playing Demigod on LAN

The Internet gods are suitably impressed with your work, yakuza.

Demigod is now more of a formailty than a necessity. I'm already printing your certificate. Your new role will be Internet Mid-Boss.

ALSO, Original Rayman... I love it. I hope they stop making rabbid games, and get back to Rayman himself :pIt's like only Nintendo is allowed to make platformers for the Wii. :p

ALSO, Original Rayman... I love it. I hope they stop making rabbid games, and get back to Rayman himself :pactually they just dropped the rayman aspect of the rabbids. presumably they've realized that said rabbids have enough character to make it on their own but were just dragging the name rayman around for no reason at all.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/48683.html

Rocktober can't come soon enough.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/48683.html

Rocktober can't come soon enough.

If you preorder from Gamestop you get a code to unlock a Tenacious D in-game guitar. :cool::cool::cool:


:p

I will be pre-ordering. Also awesome that this game comes very close to my birthday. ;D

On other news, this Punch-Out!!! trailer is awesome. (http://kotaku.com/5247930/punch+out-documentary-ad-walks-the-dog)

http://kotaku.com/5249897/square-enix-putting-the-squeeze-on-chrono-trigger-fan-projects]square enix putting the squeeze on chrono trigger fan projects

Eh, URL tags = fail.

Oh shi- this was meant to be an edit :/

They did the same thing with another Chrono Trigger fan project, although that one was done from scratch and aimed to recreate some memorable parts of the game in 3d...

It's like Squeenix is way too eager to dig a grave for this franchise...

Is it just football with cars?

Rollcage Stage II did a better job of this. A much better job. They should release that in the PlayStation Store. Or better yet, make Rollcage Stage III.

I'm glad that I'm not the only one here tha remembers Rolcage Stage II. I still play that game and enjoy it.

Completely random and out-off-the-blue question for everyone: Does anybody here own (or even still play and enjoy) Lego Racers? (The original, not Lego Racers 2).

Completely random and out-off-the-blue question for everyone: Does anybody here own (or even still play and enjoy) Lego Racers? (The original, not Lego Racers 2).
Yes to own. But I haven't played it in some time.
It was bloody brilliant though!

I've been on Rocket Racers at LEGOLAND if that helps. :p

Yes to own. But I haven't played it in some time.
It was bloody brilliant though!

It still works on Windows Vista but only if you run it in Windows XP compatibility mode.

I still play it every now and then myself to try and perfect my lap times arround every track, I've recently started writing them down.
I've also beaten all of the Time Trials and unlocked Veronica Voltage's car.

If you ever start playing it again and fancy some challenges, PM me and i'll send you some of my best lap times for some of the tracks for you to try and beat.
(I did a lap of Rocket Racer Run in Single Race mode in 24 seconds! WOOO!)

So in other other news, Pokemon Gold and Silver remakes have now been confirmed (HeartGold and SoulSilver)! Awesomesauce is at hand!

Ah, I saw them announcing it on Youtube. My friend linked me the other day. It should be awesome, I really liked Silver! It really deserved a remake :D

http://wii.ign.com/articles/980/980920p1.html

Discuss. Do you think the wii games are good? do you have much fun with the wii, except from playing the glorious nintendo classics?

http://wii.ign.com/articles/980/980920p1.html

Discuss. Do you think the wii games are good? do you have much fun with the wii, except from playing the glorious nintendo classics?

Excite Truck* and Wario Land: The Shake Dimension were both awesome games, although Excite Truck doesn't count in terms of "this year".

Unfortunately no-one seems to really notice them that much because they aren't AAA games or whatever nonsense people go on about.


* that reminds me... Excitebots... annoyingly Wikipedia is just saying "2009" for a UK release date.

Yeah the only Wii games that get acclaimed are ye olde Nintendo series. If they made a new Kirby people would be all over it. What about Excite Truck, Zack & Wiki, Pangya, Boom Blox, Okami, Geometry Wars, FaceBreaker, Resident Evil, ...?

there are a few Wii games worth having, but with the system having so little power and its competitors all moving towards motion sensing, the wii offers absolutely nothing to gamers. it's likely it'll be owned by everyone on the planet along the lines of the DS, but, as with those same DSs, it won't be used as a gaming device by most of those people.

I don't regret owning the wii, but I definitely wouldn't buy one now if I didn't own it already.

there are a few Wii games worth having, but with the system having so little power and its competitors all moving towards motion sensing, the wii offers absolutely nothing to gamers. it's likely it'll be owned by everyone on the planet along the lines of the DS, but, as with those same DSs, it won't be used as a gaming device by most of those people.

I don't regret owning the wii, but I definitely wouldn't buy one now if I didn't own it already.

People do not use DS's as gaming devices? Are you out of your mind? The DS is a gaming device. Everybody who owns it plays games on it. Even the DSi, which can potentially be used for something else, currently has no apps to make it good for anything else, and it's hardly a good camera/mp3 player. I doubt anyone really uses those features often.

Anyway, I think the reason games based on classic Nintendo franchises get so acclaimed is because that's what most people grew up with. So it has a special place above all other new franchises. But I honestly do not mind that being the only reason I got a Wii. I'll always be getting the new Mario/Zelda games, even if it's more of the same.

My sister got the DSi and i've tried it, you can distort your face when taking pictures, which is pretty interesting, but the other things you can do with photos is pretty crappy imo.

Its also got a sound editor (it isn't much) the menu is like the PSP one, there's an internet browser and the DSi shop.

If anyone is thinking of getting a DSi when they have a lite, don't. Same if you haven't got a DS. Stick with/get the lite, its not worth losing GBA compatibility for a few added features.

People do not use DS's as gaming devices? Are you out of your mind? The DS is a gaming device. Everybody who owns it plays games on it. Even the DSi, which can potentially be used for something else, currently has no apps to make it good for anything else, and it's hardly a good camera/mp3 player. I doubt anyone really uses those features oftenI KNEW that was going to be mistunderstood :p

I meant that a huge portion of DS owners only own it for stuff like cooking tutorials and various other sorts of non-gamer-games that are available for the thing. the "casual market" sort of people.

obviously the DS is adapted as the portable of choice by serious gamers as well, but I wasn't referring to them for the point I was making.

The DSi isn't designed to be a whole new handheld, its only meant to be the latest model of the current one. People keep on forgetting that (ESPECIALLY when they keep saying "what if it's DSi-exclusive"!). Its usually not a good idea to get two of the same console/handheld, even if one has notably different features.
As for me, I'd much rather a DSi over a DS. The DSi store, SD Card support, and internet bowser have much more of an appeal than GBA compatibility. Especially when GBAs are only €20.

And for what its worth, I still think the Wii has plenty of brilliant games.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/980/980920p1.html
Discuss. Do you think the wii games are good? do you have much fun with the wii, except from playing the glorious nintendo classics?
Blah blah; Wii doesn't appeal enough to the hardcore market to sell; too little third party support; Wii Music is really a gimmick - seriously, if they didn't have a date on this, I would've thought it was written ages ago!
If you ask me, the article was just made to capitalise on Nintendo's current slow period by repeating more of the same Stock Analysis.

What about Excite Truck, Zack & Wiki, Okami, Resident Evil, ...?
You think those games have gone mostly unnoticed? Hah!

as with those same DSs, it won't be used as a gaming device by most of those people.
A rather large misconception. Those cooking tutorial ones, and a minute few others, are the only ones that aren't games. Ones like the Brain Training games are distinctly games, and distinctly fun.

We own at least 4 'non-games' for our DSes.

Also, as I keep saying, The House of the Dead: Overkill is brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Although maybe some of you aren't old enough for it yet.

Oh. That means there are fun games not aimed at kids. :)

Ones like the Brain Training games are distinctly games, and distinctly fun.eh, I lump those in with the others, though I really don't have reason to. I know nothing about them one way or the other.