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Koopa68
25 Dec 2005, 12:39
Iīve tested the game Worms 4, and i got to say: it is realy better than Worms Forts.
I have checked the strategy and weapons, too. If you accumulate all different weapons, there is one slot free: the bottom righter slot.

You should try to fill it, it is always bad if there are free weapon slots in a game: becaouse the game always looks incomplet with this bug.

I think you should put something in with the next patch: Blizzard did this, too.
And the problem to imagine a weapon canīt be so difficult, just look the "weapon-topics" in this forum.

Iīve an idea, too, if you wanna hear: I developed with Psygnosis the game: "Global Dom.", my idea to reach new strategic was the weapon, that destroys all and everything (it destroys everything of your enemys, but it destroys yourself, too). The round will end draw.
Truly: Only the players who are near loose will use it, to get a new chance in next round. But: the possibility that your loosing enemy may have this weapon makes the game often more exciting. And it is always funny, if one who was near loose blow everything up with it.
In GD this kind of strategic weapon was called: Armageddon-System. (May be: They Copyright this term, too).
My idea for this is: you can put it in secret boxes, possibility to find it 5%-2%, so very rare.
It should make a nice visual effect: if gfx-engine hold this: blow all the land, or let it disapear (there are many possibilitys).
My advice for "cool superweapons" are: donīt make them to funny, because to strange things donīt become accepted by many peoples, and they donīt like the game then.
(By the way: the "Alien-Kidnapping" was a very good idea).
And: Do not use things that already exists: Like the Nuclearbomb, the Atomic-Bomb-Test, or the Armageddons-Airstrike: There is already one in older Worm-Games, so do not change it during your game developement. (If you use it for new games: keep the properties, make only small changes.
The third is: Best is using thinks, that are unsearchable. Just imagine a name that sounds "cool" and make a very great effect to it. This is ideal for "superweapons". If you use a name like "Nykto-Bomb" or "Sandora-Effect" noone will know what that is: So everyone can use his own imagination to fill the spaces. Then the one get the feeling, this thing hits his fantasy (and a bit, he is part of developing that thing). The conclusion is: he like it.
This is best tactic to develop the "superweapon" or "the best weapon of the game".

Next topic that you should debug is: If you use a weapon of the Weaponfactory that has Homing + Extended-Homing and you aim directly on a worm from above: the missile wonīt hit the land and fly around the worm in small circles for nearly 15 sec. That is a standard thing that you should debug soon.

As third i want to point out the things that are realy felicitous in my opinion:
The graphic fit the gameidea of worms very good: so in my opinion its very good for the game concept.
The new strategic elements like: Hammer (force artellery mode) or spring gun (that shots on enemy moving worms) are very useful to creat a good gameplay. The Bubble-Machine counts there, too.
The Icarus-Potation, where you have to find a rhythm to fly is very good, too. The players have to learn to find a rhythm to fly, for some it is very easy, other canīt it anyway. So this mix up the skills of the players, and hat is positiv. (and by the way: Be happy you donīt make publicity in your games: for me that look very negativ (!!) ).
My last thing is: iam happy that you kicked out the "Uzi". It would be same for me, if you kick it, or if you rename it. The thing is: The Uzi is an Israeli Machinepistol: and everyone know, that Israel is convoluted in a conflict. And I think: it is very bad to use "cool" things of a seriously conflict. It is kind of unethically for me. Especially in games for younger players you should desist it. (If you want to use it again: just call it Machine-Pistol (not MP) or Machine-Gun. For next Worm-Games you should not use names like: M-16(A-2), Uzi, AK, M-67 Fraggrenade, or any other sort of military-declaration. (By the way: īthe weapons can look like real M16 or AKs, but donīt call it like them. If someone identify the weapon: he knew it before, but you should not make a military weapon encyclopaedia. Thats was one of the faults Activison did.


Greetings and Congrats to your new game @T17.
And i hope you read your forum (Email you can forgot.)
2nd i hope is: that my English is not to bad.
If you think: I suck you: You do, too =þ .




Tom "SniperWizard" Sawi

McMiko
27 Dec 2005, 21:01
Team 17 have created service patch 1 or just 1.01 patch but why ur not making patch 1.02? My suggestions i suppose u can make new heads, hands, eyes or just new things which can dress worms, and maybe u can do that to weapon factory? U can make new looks for weapongs, grenades and air strikes. Something new not just only balance coz i think in this game u can create many new things.

TechWorm
5 Jan 2006, 11:03
Team 17 have created service patch 1 or just 1.01 patch but why ur not making patch 1.02? My suggestions i suppose u can make new heads, hands, eyes or just new things which can dress worms, and maybe u can do that to weapon factory? U can make new looks for weapongs, grenades and air strikes. Something new not just only balance coz i think in this game u can create many new things.

I agree with you there that would rock, i would love to see new clothes and accessories like beanies and hats :P

Metal Alex
14 Jan 2006, 00:54
How about filling that blank space with another custom weapon? not hard to do, and with a bit more of strategy...
Or making that second weapon able to be more powerful than the first one, maybe? like one more super weapon, I mean.

or having it for those weapons that the grandma can steal, so if you steal a custom weapon, you'll have two... think about this...

MrBobDoyle
3 Feb 2006, 19:59
I think it be nice if they added some HAIR underneath the sweety hat.... A pink chicky hat and a bald worm just make them look like freaky men worms wearing pink hats... I think you know the term im going for here, but due to the younger audiences, I'll let it rest at that ;)

E-102 Worm
3 Feb 2006, 20:15
W4M is the only Worms game that I know that don't have bandanas. You could have more than just a red bandana, like blue, green and white (I'm well aware that you can't change the colour of the worms themselves).

WeXzuZ
4 Feb 2006, 12:37
I agree that it would be cool, but if I remember right what I have read, then the Publisher have to give Team17 permission to release a patch, I even think its both publishers (codemasters and the other one)

iamgood
4 Feb 2006, 18:08
I agree that it would be cool, but if I remember right what I have read, then the Publisher have to give Team17 permission to release a patch, I even think its both publishers (codemasters and the other one)
Why isnīt it like that with WA?:p

AndrewTaylor
4 Feb 2006, 18:28
Why isnīt it like that with WA?:p
W:A has had loads of publishers over the years. I assume their rights expire much like TV channels' rights to show certain programmes expire after a time.

Novanic
4 Feb 2006, 21:16
The next Patch MUST include more screen-resolutions. I can not play on my widescreen display (i can not see the in-game interface).

Must-Have-Resoultions: 1280x1024, 1280x720, 1280x768

Please Team17, make them available!

Greetings from Nova

AndrewTaylor
4 Feb 2006, 21:45
Er, I haven't got W4, but if W3D and WFUS are anything to go by the Launcher ought to let you use any resolution your system can do. I've run W3D in 320x200 before now, just to see what would happen.

Or run it in a large window. That would use your desktop resolution and solve the problem that (again, if W3D and WFUS are anything to go by) the game assumes 4:3.

iamgood
5 Feb 2006, 13:19
Er, I haven't got W4, but if W3D and WFUS are anything to go by the Launcher ought to let you use any resolution your system can do. I've run W3D in 320x200 before now, just to see what would happen.

Or run it in a large window. That would use your desktop resolution and solve the problem that (again, if W3D and WFUS are anything to go by) the game assumes 4:3.
WA uses in-game resolution options. It doesnīt have a launcher.

AndrewTaylor
5 Feb 2006, 13:39
WA uses in-game resolution options. It doesnīt have a launcher.
Well, here's me thinking this thread is about W4.

W:A patch suggestions go in the W:A forum. That's why that rule exists. For exactly this kind of situation.

iamgood
5 Feb 2006, 18:09
Well, here's me thinking this thread is about W4.

W:A patch suggestions go in the W:A forum. That's why that rule exists. For exactly this kind of situation.
Oops. wrong forum:o

Koopa68
7 Mar 2006, 00:06
I have checked the game Worms 4 again, after my last project. I found some datas over a "pipegun" (at least in the "HUD-file"). That realy sounds intresting. It looked like you let it be only a data. Donīt worked? Bad effect? No space?

Or use the ideas of the others to make something different. And donīt say its to late, its never to late to upgrade a game! Do it like the others.
If you buy a game today, you pay for the upgrades and patches, too.
(By the way: Blizzard added in a patch more than 4% of a game. (The name of the game i canīt say).

So donīt forget who you are.

Good Luck, donīt Suck Team

quakerworm
7 Mar 2006, 03:35
My last thing is: iam happy that you kicked out the "Uzi". It would be same for me, if you kick it, or if you rename it. The thing is: The Uzi is an Israeli Machinepistol: and everyone know, that Israel is convoluted in a conflict. And I think: it is very bad to use "cool" things of a seriously conflict. It is kind of unethically for me. Especially in games for younger players you should desist it.
of course. exploding elderly ladies are perfectly ok, but we cannot stand for a weapon resemblins something that is used in a real conflict.

and it is not a machine gun. it is a sub machine gun. completly different mechanisms for totally different uses, even if all uses have the same purpose.

Or use the ideas of the others to make something different. And donīt say its to late, its never to late to upgrade a game! Do it like the others.
these "others" that you are referring to have games that sell much better than w4 for longer periods of time, which warants continious development of the game even after its release. t17 has to move on to other projects. they have resources set asside to patch up any major problems with the game, but they certainly cannot continue adding on to it. if they develop the game further, they must have a publisher who will finance such development. if you really knew anything about game development, you would have known that.

remery46
19 Mar 2006, 16:05
i have personal idea for an adishin to online play
don't get mad at me but i've ran into a lot of people who uses the ninja rope & poison barrles & mines to get rid of the players(me) fast! one online person smoke he took out all 4 of my worms under a minute by that tactic. they should put in an option in online play so the host can turn on or off the barrle & mine capability on the ninja rope but keep it in the game. another is to have leages set up for beginners to the pros. finaly for the chat for all the people who can't speak englsh and they try to talk to you (happened to me)
when they type something in there own languge it would come up exsample to me all translated.

i think these ideas are a must! i get on line with the game to have fun & Have it in a fair sence since. i do host my own games. i would like to here if you all think my ideas are good. all i want to do is to play a fair game & have fun!
i'm looking forward to here what you have to say.
Remery 46

Koopa68
3 Aug 2006, 01:32
Just as Information, i know the differences about a SMG and a MG. I was 3 years in a SF-Team. A MG is a rifle with a firerate over 100 shots/min, working with rifle-calibers like 5,56 or 7,45 (donīt mix it up with the 7,62mm / 0,30 caliber). A SMG or a MachinePistol (like the Uzi) works with Pistol-Calibers like .45 ACP or the 9mm Parabellum (sometimes called "Luger").

Ok, but for this topic it might be the wrong forum.

Koopa68
4 Aug 2006, 18:28
these "others" that you are referring to have games that sell much better than w4 for longer periods of time, which warants continious development of the game even after its release. t17 has to move on to other projects. they have resources set asside to patch up any major problems with the game, but they certainly cannot continue adding on to it. if they develop the game further, they must have a publisher who will finance such development. if you really knew anything about game development, you would have known that.

In normal casses: the firms i know have not problems with finance a game... if T17 have, bad for them...

And by the way: if you programm a PC-Game, it is economic incentive to have a game over a long time, and making money with it, than throw a game on the market and start programming the next. (If you donīt belive me, just look around: especially Blizzard (WC, SC, D...) programms games for very long time periods, or EA-Games... ). If you dpnīt know this, you donīt know much about developing a game.

And what i know is: there wonīt be very many other Worms games, if you doing like that... because me, and many of the people i know think: The programmers of Worms only make sloppiness (especially the latest Versions (like W3D W-Forts or W4M).

We would be very happy, if an other firm would buy the Worms-Concept. I saw Free downloadable games in the Internet (with small Womrs, but donīt called "Worms") that are better made...





>I stop wasting my time on this Forum now.<






>>I hope you have a VERY NICE day... ... ... ... or wait... ... ... no I donīt.

Plasma
4 Aug 2006, 18:48
And by the way: if you programm a PC-Game, it is economic incentive to have a game over a long time, and making money with it, than throw a game on the market and start programming the next. (If you donīt belive me, just look around: especially Blizzard (WC, SC, D...) programms games for very long time periods, or EA-Games... ). If you dpnīt know this, you donīt know much about developing a game.
Uhh... EA Games release new games very shortly after the one before it. Hence the Fifa series.

And what i know is: there wonīt be very many other Worms games, if you doing like that... because me, and many of the people i know think: The programmers of Worms only make sloppiness (especially the latest Versions (like W3D W-Forts or W4M).
So you're saying all 3D worms games are terribly programmed...
...and it's not that you just think that Worms is a better game in 2D?

And my personal opinion about you is: If you donīt know this, you just suck ****.
Not only do you know sound like an immature whiner, but your post could also be deleted.

Von Pepper
12 Sep 2006, 12:56
Bring Back The Blowtorch!!!!!

Luther
13 Sep 2006, 15:46
Bring Back The Blowtorch!!!!!

Yeah! Bring it back!

chowe
13 Sep 2006, 15:57
ähm sorry but what is blowtorch?^^:o

Maunem2
5 Oct 2006, 15:21
It is so thing that can make tonnels...

Geckogirl
5 Oct 2006, 18:23
I don't know if it's been posted before, but i noticed that only a few sound banks have lip syncing (Alien, Astronaut, Blues Man, English Bobby and Classic)

So, i think i should suggest that (almost?) all of the sound banks should have lip syncing in the next patch... :-/

Or is it because of the fact that i have the european version of the game?

Maunem2
14 Oct 2006, 12:06
Windows Vista from Microsoft Ū will ready in the begining of the next year...
I'll not wish to buy new W4:M again only because I'll instal this OS! :mad:

Killaz
21 Oct 2006, 19:48
now,i wish that you would be able to customise every worm of your team seperately

Drifternz
22 Oct 2006, 11:02
is computer controlled players on lan. So often I get together with only one other player, and while it its good to blast another player in to the landscape, a couple of computer players to divert our attention from each other every now and then would be great. I am sure it can't be hard to do, as the computer controlled players already exist for hotseat multiplayers.

kayne
26 Oct 2006, 15:39
rename the uzi because the middle east killse each other with it? what the hell man what the hell

thats just retarded next the shotgun will get renamed lol. just no

and the rhythm to fly just sounds retarded liked your other two ideas though

Plasma
26 Oct 2006, 20:32
rename the uzi because the middle east killse each other with it? what the hell man what the hell

thats just retarded next the shotgun will get renamed lol. just no

and the rhythm to fly just sounds retarded liked your other two ideas though
Yes, it's rather stupid to not have a war weapon in a military-weapons game because it's used in wars.